I'm sorry I called you Norm/Norman the entire time, I honestly didn't realize it was Noam. I think you got back at me by showing my inability to use headphones 🤣 You and I have a different perspective but I think we had a productive conversation. I certainly learned things, I think you did too, and I think we are both better off for it. I look forward to talking to you again, hopefully next time not on three hours notice for me and without jet lag for you!
I had written this as a direct comment but I then saw your own comment. You sir are a hero. As a human being, thank you. And I think you should continue pressing on the message below. People are completely incredulous of the horrible nature that reality sometimes takes and thus simply can’t believe that certain things may actually be true. You should absolutely spread that message. Noam is a nice person and a very reasonable skeptic. That’s why it is actually painful to watch how desperate he tries to reconcile that the side he supports is also doing horrible things and behaving. The doctor actually hit the nail on the issue midway. Everyone is so in need to deny the horribleness of reality that they can’t even fathom that their side would do something so atrocious. Our entire sense of reality goes into question and we start doubting everything. This is true for all sides.
why didnt you inform noam that you had written for the electronic intifada in 2005? you are at the very least, a terror apologist. at the worst, a full on jihadist who should not be allowed to practice medicine in the usa
Thank you Doctor, I cant express my respect and grattitude enough. You put your life on the line to save lives from people affected by the genocide and you do all you can outside of the medical context to stop the genocide.
They should build statues of good men who simply, but never merely, show up just to do their job, if nothing else, but that would give off the illusion that these PEOPLE stand still in time; that they aren't already running to the rescue, even if the burden they aim to bear remains too heavy for a Superman to lift. May the insurmountable, and untold thousands of lives lost to this monstrous atrocity receive an adequate amount of justice in this life, as well as any other there might be...
So much respect for this medical doctor who has devoted his life to healing. Years in medical school and now travelling to a very unsafe land of Gaza to heal the wounded without proper medical tools, the most basic being gloves
1:29:12 Noam asking why he wasn’t a war photographer instead of a doctor? Why didn’t you take a picture before working on each patient like an influencer before they start their meal? “Wait… don’t help them… I need to document all of this for people like Noam.”
Why was Noam so insistent that the doctor not be allowed to even comment on any of the evidence he had provided at around 58:00 minutes ? It is a bizarre way to host a discussion. So Noam gets to drone on for minutes at a time making several arguments, but the doctor isn’t allowed to address them? It almost felt like he knew all of his quotes and excerpts from NYT articles could very easily be refuted and was afraid of letting the doctor make an argument. Really bad faith.
Dr Sidhwa is unbelievably patient and polite. His ability to handle debating someone deliberately ignorant and obstinate, and more importantly his work, are truly inspiring. Hoping against all odds that the killings come to an end in Palestine. Hope Noam gets to rewatch and review this video. I think that the reality of middle east is going to dawn on Noam soon, and his long held beliefs are going to be shattered. Hope Noam will be able to come to terms with it.
Dr. Sidhwa, you aren't just a much better person than most of us could ever hope to be, you are almost saintly in your disposition. Most of us who have seen through Israel's lies would have either walked out or in extreme cases punched this Noam dude in the face or probably done both. You, on the other hand, took every disgusting insinuation on the chin without ever losing your cool with the sort of dignity that most of us do not see anywhere. Your grief and your exasperation still came through palpably, and yet, for the sake of the cause you passionately believe in, you withstood all provocation and held your ground. How does one even manage to do such a thing? My respect for you has been enormous ever since I found out about your work; but after watching this conversation, what I am floored by is your qualities as a human being. You were polite and impossibly civil while making point after point after point in the face of the most uninformed and moronic hostility or should I just say plain old bias and that takes a lot of serious effort. You didn't have to do this; quote, show images and cite reports to a host who chose to lay it thick without adequate homework. I am okay to overlook his mistaking you for a Muslim, because, let's face it, the world is notoriously ill-informed about people of the tiniest faith in the world (by numbers) that you and I belong to, which is Zoroastrianism. But his certitude in claiming that WaPo and NYT, have an anti-Israel bias is what had me shake my head in deep disgust. While I concede that none of us are free of our biases, his credulousness at the most basic stuff was just staggering. Feroze Sidhwa, you are a hero to so many of us who have been eyeing this conflict closely from all corners of the world, and I cannot adequately express my gratitude for the sort of individual you are. You are a true credit to your upbringing, your education, the institutions which have shaped you, and the family that must support you unquestioningly in your worldview. It would sure be a privilege to meet up with you in person someday.
Noam really? What incentive does he have to lie. Yes there is suffering and war crimes in Gaza. Get your head out of your ass. This is not a good look for you
@@oh_k8 in what way does Israel’s policy about journalists relate to the dr’s political bias? Whether Israel lets in journalists to the Gaza Strip means dr’s are non-partisan? Please explain how these relate.
LOL Noam got his hackles up when the doctor referred parenthetically to Goldstone's background, saying it was a generalization, but then assumed the doctor was arab lololol
Noam spends most of the interview asking "if you saw 13 kids shot in the head, why would you only report 2?" and "in these era of phones everywhere, why dont we see all the kids dying or starved to death"; why doesn´t that apply to the reports by israelies about the alleged raped women and babies in ovens? And does that justify any kind of barbarism?
Questioning the integrity and first hand experiences of this doctor is obscene/ absurd. It indicates people’s refusal to accept reality because they too closely identify with those committing these atrocities. Inability to accept responsibility.
Noam, you never seize to amaze me in your ability to find convoluted, alternative explanations for Israeli war crimes. There’s no shame in admitting when you’re wrong, Noam. If anything, it boosts your credibility. Don’t be afraid to be self critical.
@NoObPwnEdU314 Did you watch the same conversation I did? Noam conceded on many points while the doctor couldn't do the same even once. The doctor seemed genuine at first, but as the conversation continued, his biases became more and more clear.
@@Santiratawhat did he concede? Noam sat there and tried to justify how kids could’ve been ‘inadvertently’ shot in the head. I think it’s completely understandable for a doctor who witnessed that on a daily basis to come out feeling a bit more sympathetic to one side than the other. That doesn’t discredit everything he said.
2:07:28 Noam has become the epitome of a technical foul ball. Doesn’t let the doctor finish points… disregards any and all information his convictions don’t align with. I heard the Comedy Cellar has lost its appeal… but what a hermit kingdom.
Great work and Thank you Dr Feroze Sidhwa. I saw Gaza Healthcare letters on Noah Samsen excellent letters please raising the voice for people in the HOLY LAND
49:30 - if they are using the tunnels for warfare...why would they bring their civilians in there. What are you even insinuating how could this be possible even logistically. The tunnels would probablly be made to allow a small force of combatants to move in there not a whole 2 million population. How can the host have such simplistic logic. By what logic should the resistance fighters be so humanistic to protect their civilians when its elegal to target them, its like he accepts the fact that IDF illegally bombs civilians. It is painfull how he wants to just look away.
They - "resistance fighters" - spend billions on building tunnels and $0 on building shelters and then start a war that they know they have no chance of winning and that will cause mass civilian casualties....maybe that is not an official definition of "human shields" by the IJC.
Noam, at the end of your converstion with the good doctor you say "we'll see" I think regarding whether 62 thousand Palestinians have starved to death but maybe also in reference to whether children are being systematically murdered by the IDF, implying that when the dust settles, we shall know. Most of us dont want to take a wait and see approach to US taxpayers funding the plausible deliberate killing of children.
The evidence just ultimately feels weak and there's a long track record of false claims like this (e.g., "Jenin massacre") which justifies healthy skepticism.
The mass starvation idea has been a big lie. Furthermore, you are using "plausibility'' in an erroneous way. Plausibility just means that South Africa has standing to bring in the case and the Palestinian people have a right to be protected under the context of genocide. It is a legal term that propagandists have been twisting for their own agenda.
Noam can attempt to nitpick all he wants. The doctor noticed something disturbing and looked for a pattern. It's well established that Israeli snipers operate with almost no distinctions made towards Palestinians, including children. This has been well documented even through Israeli soldiers' own words.
Maybe you should ask Jewish American Doctor Mark Perlmutter for an interview so you can stop psuedo downplaying this. Absolute tragedy to watch you try to squirm your way out of what’s happening.
@@comedycellarclipsI am still watching it and I am watching you try to squirm out of what he’s saying and back to how you view things through the lens of the propaganda narrative. This podcast has been operating this way for months.
@@comedycellarclips I’ll reiterate what you dodged: maybe you should ask Jewish American Dr Mark Perlmutter on… And you’re one of the most bad faith interviewers I’ve ever beheld. It’s absolutely absurd anyone would allow you to get by w ‘ya know after the Haaretz story about the prisoners losing limbs from being shackled? I called an ISRAELI and found out THE TRUTH, and it was much better for the Israeli side!” Utterly absurd. Your rapacity will spell your demise. I remember the first interview I heard w you, where you wouldn’t shut up about the ‘most arid part of land,’ just a profound lack of self-awareness, after everything Zionists have stolen. My fiance is Jewish and long before a year ago I’ve been terrified of the fact that over 50% of young conservatives believe ‘Jews have too much power.’ And *she* loathes you ppl more than I can even imagine, weaponizing antisemitism to launder a Supremacist genocide, setting HER (as a left-wing Jew, all the conspiracies involve HER) up to take the fall when fascism takes hold, and rendering it impossible to effectively battle the rising Nazi mvmt when you brand JEWS who support equal rights and oppose apartheid and genocide as antisemites. Stunningly myopic, and I’m only 20m in so I’m sure I’m gonna be punching walls before this is over. One day, mfer
Ah..the ever more complex pretzels that Noam contorts himself into to desperately hold on to this fairytale that the IDF is the " most moral army in the history of the world" is getting ridiculous.
He starts by saying he is not political and doesn't follow the news, but then can quote Amnesty international reports from 2006 and such. And he edited a book by Finkelstien. Something doesn't add up.
@@tttrrrification Yeah, he's apparently completely free from bias and then just helped the most biased person I have ever heard speak write a book. I also found that shocking.
@@ruffryder13yea. Weird how he’s saying the same thing as doctor after doctor. Not just American doctors but European doctors. They must have all helped Finkelstein. 😂😂😂 god the desperate argument you cling to in order to avoid reality is absurd.
The allegations don't make any sense from a physical standpoint. Anyone with military experience would find his claims questionable. The fact that there is no other evidence and that he has a long history of writing for anti-Israel publications makes his claims suspicious.
No other evidence? No other evidence of what? Is the fact that countless other doctors experienced the same things, not considered "other evidence" to you? Do you live on a different planet?
@@hassanabdaladl all he is saying is that there are other doctors that saw this. If he had a large amount of images it would be slightly more believable.
Noam, you seem like a genuinely really good faith interlocutor. I’ve listened to a number of podcasts. He’s obviously telling the truth. It’s what he saw. It’s what 65 other doctors saw. It’s what the NYT confirmed. What’s the alternative? I’m Jewish, grew up strongly pro Israel, did a gap year there, and a some point I just had to admit the whole world wasn’t biased against us.
God bless you for this comment, and it doesn't mean good things about Israel aren't also true, like being a national home for Jews, which I support, I simply don't support the aggressive militarism/apartheid that is blowing up in its face post Oct-7.
How is he obviously telling the truth? The way he tried to weasel out of admitting Hamas using human shields was entirely shady. I don't buy this starvation nonsense either. Like people won't take their starving relatives to hospital. I just don't buy it
Why won’t/can’t people accept that this doctor is reporting his experiences. Too many people watching this are too biased and won’t accept anything their ego is offended by. All human beings do bad things. These podcasts are too often echo chambers.
Noam, any comment on the IDF soldiers who force Palestinian civilians to act as human shields? At gunpoint. Handcuffed. Blindfolded. When the soldiers of this particular unit went to their superiors, fearful that they were breaking international law, they were told simple soldiers don’t need to worry about international law. Any comment? Any spin on how this could be viewed differently?
Just to make a comment about Noam’s incredulity that the Gaza Health Ministry isn’t reporting on deaths from hunger. They are actually coming out with a report on that soon. I doubt this will change his mind about anything, since they probably won’t be based on pictures taken on an iphone and published to the internet in the middle of a warzone. But maybe some of his viewers will find it interesting.
This is unbelievably disrespectful to the doctor to think he’s lying straight to your face. He saw them, face to face he’s told you this you couldn’t confront him honestly cause you knew it was impossible so you just ask if the names of the kids were on the screen and is there a death certificate and health registry and address and zip code to shy away from the truth the IDF shoots children’s and anyone who’s in their way.
I'm totally with you,Noah on the starvation issue. He's gaslighting is through the roof. You shouldn't believe your lying eyes, just accept blindly what experts say. Ok,sure. Experts and institutions can be compromised and biased. I googled starving in Ethiopia. We don't see any fat mothers there. I saw the picture of the extremely thin boy in Gaza. In the background sitting 3 fat women. It is a totally legit question. How are they fat? They document everything with their cellphones,although there's no electricity. If there were thousands an tens of thousands of people visibly starving, are you saying there would be nobody to shoot a few photos of those people?
1:47:53 ok, i get that noam is trained as a laywer and that his political and cultural sympathies lie with Israel, so if Dr. Sidwha is willing to sit down for Noam's--at times thoughtful, at times invidious and badgering cross examination--I'll listen and do my best to evaluate the evidence and arguments presented by both men with intellectual honesty and charity. but this is the moment where noam's desperate nitpicking of every sentence lapses into embarrassing delusion. if clinging to your beliefs about the situation leads you to sound like this, it's time to reevaluate your assumptions
Ive worked in healthcare for almost 30 years, across 3 countries, and worked with hundreds of Drs including those that work for free in some of the poorest countries in the world. 99% of Drs I know don't put themselves out in the media unless they are discussing narrow medical topics relevant to their specialty. The 1% that fancied themselves as celebrities were doing it for money and not well respected. Ive met zero that made a celebrity out of themselves by taking one side of an international conflict, wrote articles about it in national newspapers and gathered evidence of war crimes. Of course this doesnt disprove anything but it does set off my BS detector because you are compromising yourself as a medical professional.
The interviewer is outright biased. Ridiculous questioning by him about the tunnels based on a clip of less than a minute. In any case, why would a resistance group allow civilians into their tunnels for military use?
Maybe because the so called "resistance" group is the elected government of the people who's freedom and national self determination they're supposedly fighting for? Hence the safety of their civilian population is supposed to be their top priority? Oh. Wait. Of course they themselves said that it's actually the responsibility of the UN and even Israeli to care for the safety of their civilians, and their own, Hamas job is to eradicate the Israeli state, Jews everywhere and eventually bring about an all-enveloping Khalifate around the world. And having as many of their own civilians starving and getting killed is an essential part of that. Having realized that-yes indeed, why would they let the civilians into their tunnels, like an actual government would?
@@caseypdx503That wasn’t the question. If it was I’d say the blockade of building materials. You do know Israeli shelters wouldn’t be able to stand up to Israeli boom booms? they are made for bathtub Hamas rockets. They’d be harder to build for both of them. Even harder for the side without building materials.
@@lookbovine I don’t think you understand my point in the slightest… The bomb shelter could be built just like a tunnel. It works for them, why not their civilians? That brings us to Hamas *entire strategy* which is to leave their civilians unprotected, to maximize civilian casualties to make Israel look as bad as possible… Even though, Israel has achieved an excellent ratio: 1:1, which is the best ever for urban warfare
We have no way of knowing whether the children were shot by the IDF or Hamas (for example, when trying to flee/in crossfire). Nonetheless, seeing shot children is horrific and devastating. The more I listen, it seems he contradicts what he wrote with his arguments on here - then why use false language in the first place? It’s so inauthentic & damaging. He also said “it implies Palestinians are stupid and want to die”. I’m not going to call them stupid but as a society, they overwhelmingly glorify death and martyrdom. What does he think the intifadas were?? There’s SO much evidence of Sinwar/Hamas leaders stating they want more Palestinian blood. Not sure if he’s naive or a straight up liar.
Either a spy level truth spinner or he's of good faith but with huge internal bias, which could be comprehensible for a doctor treating only one side's patients for quite some time. Hard to say, but then he did 2 times the whole "Israel killed a million people - wait no, sorry Norman, bro, I never wanted to said that, though I just did, let's pretend I did not" That's suspicious. Then the whole famine discussion, when he denied the existence of starving people in Ethnopia on the basis of photographs that we've probalby all seen before... You don't need to be a Famine PHD to regognize extreme weight loss in those contexts. To believe him you really need to either be extremely biased or never pay attention to his actual points and just wonder at how well he argues. But it's why those long form interviews are so great, the longer you talk the harder it gets to keep any posturing and hide things. You might have gotten away with in a 20 min TV segment but try 4h.
"On 30 June 2024, the IPC Global Famine Review Committee said evidence indicates famine is not currently occurring in Gaza..." This guy is a slippery one
@@oh_k8 Where in that statement says there's a famine? Where in that statement says 62K people died and 200K dying of starvation. It says people are hungry. It's says there is RISK of famine. It doesn't say people are dying from starvation at scale. So I have no need to retract anything and this slippery Dr just lied to Noam's face.
@@samadler3They aren’t starving because Hamas won’t lay down arms, it’s bc Israel won’t allow in enough aid on purpose. Israel, the occupying power, is using starvation as a weapon of warfare. Your denial of w@r crimes is palpable. They can’t make aid contingent on laying down arms; that’s a w@r crime.
I thought this doctor was an honest man, until he denied the use of human shields by hamas. What a a malicious and duplicious person. "No evidence" everyone who says so is nuts" Disgusting
The claims ive seen on Twitter are not that this is a fake photo but that it's not a .56 caliber IDF sniper bullet. And that it would be extraordinarily unlikely for a sniper bullet to come to a stop in the skull unless it was a ricochet or at the very end of its range. Many People claiming to have balistic expertise and medical experience with gunshot imaging have been extremely skeptical that these are a result of an IDF shooting.
@@bryanmurray9846 who tf knows, the point is that a sniper shot is obviously intentional, but if it clearly wasn't a sniper shot, the intentionality is *extremely questionable*
Just based on this comment (I haven't watched the whole episode), my takeaway would be that he is clearly deep in the ideological arguments and not as non-biased as he says he is
Noam, two days after I watched this, I still cannot get over the shocking lack of sensitivity you have displayed in trying to give a clean chit to Israel, your holy cow. I write this from Mumbai, India. Trust me my friend, all of us from Mumbai to Miami and Moscow to Mozambique are watching this closely. With every passing day, our disgust for apologists like you who still defend this genocide keeps mounting. You have no idea how your actions are damaging your credibility. (Israel and IDF have none left any more by way of credibility anyway.) Hamas is a terrorist group but Israel is a terrorist state in itself. And that makes you all complicit in its crimes. Get that straight. It may seem like the Zionist state is winning this, but in actual fact, 2023-24 will go down as the first severe body blow to its very existence. You read that here first.
@@lookbovine Thank you for your warm comment. As for the name, it's Vistasp. TH-cam has this strange habit of selecting a user name on our behalf and one can do nothing about it.
on ukraine/russia, he says it's not his job to decide who's right or who's wrong but has no problem stating his opinions on israel/palestine guy has to work on his taqiah
Im with Noam. There is no way we wouldnt know if 200K people are starving to death in Gaza and the way this guy tried to weasel his way out of Hamas clearly sacrificing its own people for pilitical gain is disingenuous
I think Israel itself admits to blocking aid. If they aren’t even getting access to gloves or anesthesia while the amputate children. What makes you think they are getting food? I’ve seen videos of families having to eat food for animals. I get ppl live Israel but no citzens exspecially and where half the population is children should have to be going through what they are. That’s not a moral army at all.
Noam this was pathetic. You kept interrupting, moving the goal post, adding conjecture. Not a surprise though, you are trying to defend the indefensible and you are trying to debunk the reality we all see. You are not able to do that with a good faith discussion, so you resort to these tactics. Stop embarrassing yourself to defend genocide.
And I'm completely sure that the doctor wasn't expecting people to impugn his credibility (re the children) as his hands were covered in blood, working without basic medical instruments, in a war zone. In many ways, your questioning was, frankly, pathetic.
@@hassanabdaladlhe's making claims that are just plainly false. He's a hero. But he made claims that he took back, that it was absolutely false, a wild claim that he has absolutely no evidence for and he is talking about 60k ppl starved to death? That's insane. Totally insane, and you know it. And the Dr MUST know it. He's a hero.. And I wish there were way more ppl doing the work to save ppl, I just don't know why he thinks he has authority to make some of the claims he makes. It's disgusting thay ppl are claiming those pics of the bullets in heads are fake. They are clearly real.
1:02:02 Someone’s never seen videos of what the IDF did to people fishing on the beach, much less what happened to tents on the beach in humanitarian safe zones.
I can tell you, personally knowing at least 2 IL snipers that these guys are usually highly intelligent people that would never kill any target (and especially children) without getting strict orders. Could there be some psychos in the IL army that aimed for some kids sometimes? Absolutely.
2:12:30 tells it all. He will not accept it. Him being lawyer explains a lot though lol. Here is a doctor, who personally witnessed the suffering in Gaza. And noam is trying to dispute it by googling images? Which proved the doctor correct too..
Could someone please clarify, are the images of the children's skulls x-rays or CT scans ? I ask this because it has been my understanding that metal inside the body appears incredibly bright and striated with streaks or bright rays emanating from the object on the scan. I understand that the image can vary depending on the density and type of metal. There are of course other factors such as type of machine and internal settings when conducting a CT scan. Any input would be helpful.
The calandar is an incredible example if confirmation bias. It never occurred to Noam that it would make sense for the hospital to mark the calandar with the day that casualties started flooding in with such intensity, and of course they would know the operations name.
@brothercaptainxuul784 He talked about a calendar in the basement of Al-Shifa Hospital, but that incident was not in Al-Shifa. It was Al-Rantisi Hospital. He thinks it is irrelevant that the calendar started on October 7. He also conveniently forget that there was an elevator in that hospital basement that went directly to the tunnels with connections to a home nearby owned by a Hamas commander. It was an obvious Hamas hideout so they could sneak out, attack Israel, and then return to the hospital, all underground and protected by the status of the hospital. AND he completely dismisses this because there were days of the week written on the calendar? Please explain your logic because it makes absolutely no sense to me and appears to be grossly disingenuous.
@@SantirataI like your little story about a Hamas commander. It would have been something the IDF would have mentioned when they gave their tour of the Al Rantisi hospital basement. That was when they pointed to the calendar and called it a list of names.
I admire Noam's work but just didn't find the first 15 minutes interesting enough to keep going. I did "skim" some and found that Noam raised a key point at 24:00 and I don't think the interviewee had a solid answer (wish Noam stayed on this point or perhaps brought in one of the experts who have confidently weighed in that the images were fake). Other key point I hope came up was why wouldn't an immediate hypothesis be that Hamas shot these kids? Some other initial red flags I'd note: the doctor recently had a tweet saying something like "now that the NYT confirmed our report, there needs to be an investigation...", but the NYT simply made a blanket statement of support, they offered no additional evidence and didn't answer the specific objections people who do have relevant expertise raised. Then, the doctor plays down his original political motivations but it's hard to believe a recent college graduate just goes to Haifa and works for a Pro-Palestinian NGO on a whim ("to learn about the conflict"). And, finally, a minor but perhaps telling point: he says Haifa is Israel's "only mixed city"(?) Haifa maybe is Israel's most or biggest mixed city, but it's not really accurate to say "only" one and that sounds like a habit of speech of someone who is used to being in politically extreme anti-Israel environments.
The insensitivity of this guy is shocking and his undermining of empirical evidence is even more shocking! Chapeau to the doctor who tries his best to explain and for going on the field risking his life to help!
It's clear the doctor has friends/people around him that fed him talking points so he can't really say he's apolitical and doesn't keep up with political discussions. And I always find it pathetic when people attempt to downplay hamas's intentions. Just give them 0 benefit of the doubt and continue the conversation. Cause even when you do that, you come to the conclusion that Israel is acting insane. When the resettlement of parts of Gaza start taking place like the meetings this weekend from 1/3rd of the governing party, Noam was shift from 0 resettlement to "you can't expect to start a war and not steal some territory" or something. The shifting goalposts this past year on the Israeli side is disturbing and we are way past the point of the constant killing accomplishing an objective. This is gonna be years of unnecessary killing because people defended a rogue state and leader trying to stay in power in Israel.
I think the assertion that the best trained snipers are aiming at children is the issue. Has it happened? Probably? Does it explain every case? Probably not. I am guessing being a doctor in those conditions is harrowing. The bias that comes through is that Hamas could not possibly be responsible for any death in Gaza, and Israel is aiming at kids' heads.
His entire claim hinges on Israeli soldiers purposely aiming at children. As a former IDF I can say that this does not make sense on any level. I would need mountains of evidence and an explanation on how this is possible. Even the smallest military bullets will pass through a head from a kilometer away. Trying to hit a target the size of a car from over 500 meters is a challenge with anything other than high-power rifles.
What do you think about Max Blumenthal coming on the show? Normans legacy is absolutely breathtaking, but perhaps he isnt at his prime anymore. Whereas, Max still is.
He doesnt know what he wrote six months ago??? Claims to know kids were shot deliberately?? Claims to know who shot kids in Gaza?? Sorry, but his credibility is seriously tarnished.
Dr. Feroze deserves gratitude and admiration for the work he has done. And there is no question that the humanitarian situation in Gaza is horrific and the suffering is heart wrenching. (I blame Hamas for this, but that is beside the point.) The obvious question I wish Noam had asked is this: On what evidence does the good doctor accuse the IDF for the shootings? Could it not just as well come from Hamas snipers? We can’t accept the say-so of the parents, who for good reason would not dare to blame Hamas. So what is the evidence? To me, the automatic assumption that it’s axiomatic that IDF soldiers killed these children (and did so deliberately) is a clear indication of bias.
Why would Palestinians intentionally shoot Palestinian children? You do realize they are human also? Thats equal to saying the idf intentionally shoots Israeli children. An outrageous notion. Also I’ve seen a decent amount of videos of Idf soldiers shooting Palestinian children. Anecdotal I guess
This Doctor is a joke😂. He says he doesn't know anything about the conflict but he knows everything about Goldstein report,Hamas and Amnesty. He's such a liar
Did this guy just say he edited Norman Finkelstein's book? I know it's a tangent, but how do you not interrogate that? He's a medical doctor and has less credentials than Finkelstein himself, not to mention what it says about his judgement, etc...
@@comedycellarclips Ya, its really strange that someone with his background would edit a book like that, not to mention the questions of the veracity/citation fidelity of Finkelstein's work (although he did say it was about Gandhi, not israel/pal)
@@justabrownman Nobody is saying to sidestep what he is saying or to use his editing relationship with finkelstein as evidence of some sort of impropriety in his hospital/children reporting. I said it was a tangent, and yes, it is worth asking about if not at that moment than at some point
Noam, even jet lagged and exhausted, you've made it clear through this conversation that this mild mannered Dr is not a good faith actor. The famine conversation at the end is simply astonishing.
@@oh_k8 are you a expert on the ground. Channel 4 you tube is now doing a piece apparently on the lack of aid getting into the mass murder indoctrinate bombing of civilians in gaza. So that wiil be interesting.
This is one of the best/scariest interviews yet. Usually the Pro-Hamas people are unhinged and give themselves away quickly, this doctor is very calm and much more subtle. Weaving in Hamas propaganda in easier to digest bits while staying calm. Amazing strategy and didn’t reveal himself to be Pro Hamas until nearly the end. If you spend a billion dollars (or more) building a “subterranean fortress” (NY Times) while your people starve, that is still not the Jews’ fault no matter how much this Hamas supporter wants it to be. If you also position those tunnels directly under civilian areas, then as the acting government tell those people not to leave knowing they will be blown up that is HORRIFIC. He kept trying to bring back the conversation to the term “human shield” so he could argue semantics. Who cares what the term is. They are murdering their own people. Instead he repeats the equivalent of “Jews are killing children!” - this is the most oft repeated headline in human history, and it’s never once been true. Instead of constantly saying children dead, how about “civilian” vs “combatant”. I think killing a 50 year old man is no less of a war crime than a child. It just depends if they were soldiers or not. As sad as it is, and horrifying to think about, 15 year olds can shoot a gun. Focusing on “children” or “shot in the head” are clear emotional appeals against Israel. If they’re dead civilians it’s already a war crime.
I swear this is my last comment, but, Noam is of course correct to say it's only reasonable to assume that if there were such a number of starving people (starving, in its common meaning, not those food insecurity definitions), we'd see it.
How when the IDF won’t let even allow journalists to go in there . Hundreds have been killed literally. Israel admits to blocking aid . What kind of mental gymnastics are ppl doing to just ignore this? I honestly think if they came out and said they were committing a genocide , people would still ignore that and say they are the most moral army in the world lol come on we can be honest. Innocent civilians don’t deserve this.
At least Noam is transparent in his viewpoint and what he is trying to get at. He is unabashedly pro-Israel. Dr. Sidwha characterized Noam as "not wanting find fault in Israel's actions" or finding less fault, and Noam didn't counter him at all. Because others take that perspective and refer to it as a search for the truth. At least Noam is honest that he is on one side of this thing.
Ok, I'm 2 hours in and I wasn't sure at first, but now I think he's mostly lying. It's all the same memes. Amnesty Internationals 2014 report on human shields, Goldstone's recanting wasn't a "real" recanting, Al-Shifa tunnels were built by Israel, etc. I don't know if I'm right, but the video CT scan doesn't line up with the x-ray to my eyes. In the x-ray the bullet is about level with the eyes and about 2/3 from the front of the face. In the CT scan, the bullet doesn't begin to show up until after the scan has moved above the eyeballs, and it is much closer to the rear of the skull. Maybe there's slight angle differences that give me this perception, I'm not sure, I have hardly ever scrutinized medical scans. EDIT: I changed my mind, the CT scan makes sense, we still don't know anything beyond the fact that the scans are legit.
To me, it is the ballistics that does not add up. The only thing I can think about is that these kids were getting hit by bullets falling back to the ground after weapon caches were destroyed but even that is a stretch.
one thing about pro- Palestine argument is always trying to play on your emotion. If want us believe you, provide evidence not just trust me thing that you all do.
Pro-isreal ppl do the same thing. All i ever hear is "waaaah october seventh" (even tho they killed WAY more people in response) "waaaah what about our israli hostages 😢" (even tho you have hostages too and do the same thing) jews be tryna make ppl feel bad for them cause the holocaust but then turn around and do a holocaust on another group smh
@@winnersfootballtv5517They had to rationalize it somehow. The images and video are right in front of your face day in and day out, as clear as the smell from the smokestacks.
The first red flag in this interview is when he said that 10,000 civilians were kiIIed in Ukraine. In Mariupol alone, 25,000 civilians were kiIIed, so this is an absurdly low figure, and I've mostly just seen it brandished by anti-Israel ideologues who are making a comparison with Gaza.
@@OdieSalmon The UN specifically says the 10,000 number is "the tip of the iceberg" and not supposed to represent anything close to the total number of casualties - it's just the numbers they've specifically identified themselves. It's an irrelevant figure if you're trying to identify the scale of casualties.The Associated Press says they identified 10,000 new graves just in Mariupol, often mass graves, and that as many as 75,000 civilians were kiIIed. So if anything, the 25,000 figure from Ukranian officials is probably an undercount.
@@lookbovine We're talking about Ukraine, not Gaza. But your numbers on Gaza are completely unfounded. Hamas health officials (who have all the incentive to overcount and none to undercount) state specifically that there are 42,500 from violence (of which 30% are "unidentified") and up to 10,000 unaccounted for or in the rubble, with the absolute max kiIIed equal to around 55k. The Lancet correspondence, which is just a letter from some activists, not a study of any kind, simply says they think these Hamas numbers are true, and that in other conflicts, there are 3-15 times as many "indirect" non-violent deaths as there are direct deaths, so they just decided that there are probably 4 times as many indirect deaths - and that's where they got this 186k number. They say this 186k number "is not implausible," but they didn't actually do any data collection in Gaza or research or anything else to come up with this number, it's based on literally nothing except supposed studies of other unrelated conflicts, and they don't pretend otherwise. So if we are to believe that in Ukraine there were at least the same number of civilians kiIIed directly, which is a conservative assumption given that 25k were kiIIed in Mariupol alone, and at least 10-15k of the dead in Gaza are militants, then we should expect an equal number of indirect deaths in Ukraine.
I actually don't understand all the disingenious aspects he seemingly has to hold about what's he's arguing for. It's just self-defeating, totally unnecessary for the points he actually wants to make and exhausting, crazy thing.
I'll be as kind as I can. When, as Dr Sidhwa has, you've handled dead children and seen the brutality of war first-hand, there is no other reaction to have but to say this has to end and those responsible need to stop. That's just called being human - which he clearly is. Had he been the trauma surgeon on duty on Oct 7th however, taking in and dealing with Israeli casualties I'm guessing he might have a different perspective. We are all grateful for people like him, on all sides, but probably best to stick to the job and not opine on politics and morals from one perspective.
he has been opining on israel/palestine since at least 2005 kinda funny how someone who claims he was apolitical and didnt even think about israel/palestine until the second intifada, starts writing for the extremely antisemitic and anti-israel online rag, electronic intifada in 2005
The UN food index done a month ago showed Israel have 400 tons of food, around 2 years worth of food. 520 trucks have not returned and are waiting for collection. It's all a disgusting lie, they will kill their own people to try frame Israel, that is the depravity
You know this how?, one thing about pro- Palestine argument is always trying to play on your emotion. If want us believe you, provide evidence not just trust me thing that you all do.
23:37 Not a weapons expert but i know most bullets don’t remain intact when they enter. Some bullets are even designed to expand in the body so they don’t penetrate through. I don’t think Noam reasoning here is correct.
I was hoping this would be the interview where Norm changes his mind on the genocide. 30 min in I'm fearing I was wrong. How someone could take first hand testimony with such bad faith interrogation is beyond my comprehension.
@@comedycellarclipswhat does that have to do with war crimes being committed by soldiers who have themselves posted about killing anyone and everyone. It doesn’t have to be an official policy for it to be happening. Which is what doctor after doctor have said. The New York Times just reported soldiers are using Palestinians as human shields. Widespread across units. Is it an ACTUAL policy from the top down? Nice try dude.
@@comedycellarclips It is and has always been Israeli policy to ensure the entire land of Palestine is a part of Israel that is demographically dominated by people of the Jewish faith. The wilful extermination of Gazans by the army and this overarching aim of the Zionists is more than just a happy coincidence.
@@justabrownmansoldiers individual prerogatives to murder indiscriminately does not reflect the military’s policy on approaching war tactics regarding civilians. Their actions are disgusting, but this is something that happens in war and, while really messed up and unforgivable, doesn’t directly represent a whole governments interest.
Norm should feel ashamed of himself for this interview. He is squirming at each turn to shift blame from Israel creating the conditions of famine and genocide in Gaza to blaming it on the victims.
Here's the alternative explanation for the infamous tunnels/human shields video -- 1. Tunnels serve Hamas' military purposes 2. Having non-combatants there would prevent the execution of Hamas' military aims 3. But they should be fine as Israel is supposed to, by international law, take care of civilians -- and if it doesn't, We don't care much (Vs. 1. Tunnels serve Hamas, not civilians 2. Israel doesn't care about civilian casualties 3. Civilian casualties aid our cause)
The people bombing civilians with 2000 lb bombs are complaining that said civilians weren't put into bomb shelters that would have been destroyed by the aforementioned 2000 lb bombs anyways. The commentary on bomb shelters is completely absurd.
29:19 He says here “…he can’t judge any individual instance…” but in another video short on “sahatenglish” he says “….they know who they’re shooting, they know who their snipers are shooting….”. The video on “sahatenglish” looked edited so I can’t be sure he didn’t say things in between. I’ll keep an eye out for his next interviews which hopefully clarifies this because this is a horrifying report he is giving.
I'm sorry I called you Norm/Norman the entire time, I honestly didn't realize it was Noam. I think you got back at me by showing my inability to use headphones 🤣 You and I have a different perspective but I think we had a productive conversation. I certainly learned things, I think you did too, and I think we are both better off for it. I look forward to talking to you again, hopefully next time not on three hours notice for me and without jet lag for you!
I had written this as a direct comment but I then saw your own comment. You sir are a hero. As a human being, thank you. And I think you should continue pressing on the message below. People are completely incredulous of the horrible nature that reality sometimes takes and thus simply can’t believe that certain things may actually be true. You should absolutely spread that message.
Noam is a nice person and a very reasonable skeptic. That’s why it is actually painful to watch how desperate he tries to reconcile that the side he supports is also doing horrible things and behaving.
The doctor actually hit the nail on the issue midway. Everyone is so in need to deny the horribleness of reality that they can’t even fathom that their side would do something so atrocious. Our entire sense of reality goes into question and we start doubting everything. This is true for all sides.
why didnt you inform noam that you had written for the electronic intifada in 2005? you are at the very least, a terror apologist. at the worst, a full on jihadist who should not be allowed to practice medicine in the usa
Thank you Doctor,
I cant express my respect and grattitude enough. You put your life on the line to save lives from people affected by the genocide and you do all you can outside of the medical context to stop the genocide.
@@Idlersoup😂😂😂😂😂😂a propaganda liar is your hero...well nothing to expect from the Americans who support terror organizations
They should build statues of good men who simply, but never merely, show up just to do their job, if nothing else, but that would give off the illusion that these PEOPLE stand still in time; that they aren't already running to the rescue, even if the burden they aim to bear remains too heavy for a Superman to lift. May the insurmountable, and untold thousands of lives lost to this monstrous atrocity receive an adequate amount of justice in this life, as well as any other there might be...
So much respect for this medical doctor who has devoted his life to healing. Years in medical school and now travelling to a very unsafe land of Gaza to heal the wounded without proper medical tools, the most basic being gloves
Noam’s capacity to defend Israeli war crimes is truly impressive
i watched this video for a 2nd time. Norm you are bad faith actor. Its that simple
He's just so entrenched in his dogma, like many z1onists are
1:29:12 Noam asking why he wasn’t a war photographer instead of a doctor? Why didn’t you take a picture before working on each patient like an influencer before they start their meal?
“Wait… don’t help them… I need to document all of this for people like Noam.”
@@oh_k8 That is because you haven't looked at data on previous urban combat situations.
@@oh_k8 It would be hard to get data on it bec in the overwhelming majority of wars, the civilians escape to other countries.
Why was Noam so insistent that the doctor not be allowed to even comment on any of the evidence he had provided at around 58:00 minutes ? It is a bizarre way to host a discussion. So Noam gets to drone on for minutes at a time making several arguments, but the doctor isn’t allowed to address them? It almost felt like he knew all of his quotes and excerpts from NYT articles could very easily be refuted and was afraid of letting the doctor make an argument. Really bad faith.
Because Noam is a worm who wants to carry water for Israel
Because Noam seems biased since both of his parents are Israeli.
Dr Sidhwa is unbelievably patient and polite. His ability to handle debating someone deliberately ignorant and obstinate, and more importantly his work, are truly inspiring.
Hoping against all odds that the killings come to an end in Palestine.
Hope Noam gets to rewatch and review this video. I think that the reality of middle east is going to dawn on Noam soon, and his long held beliefs are going to be shattered. Hope Noam will be able to come to terms with it.
its also amazing when Noam is feeling cornered about starving children he brings up his jetlag.
Dr. Sidhwa, you aren't just a much better person than most of us could ever hope to be, you are almost saintly in your disposition. Most of us who have seen through Israel's lies would have either walked out or in extreme cases punched this Noam dude in the face or probably done both. You, on the other hand, took every disgusting insinuation on the chin without ever losing your cool with the sort of dignity that most of us do not see anywhere. Your grief and your exasperation still came through palpably, and yet, for the sake of the cause you passionately believe in, you withstood all provocation and held your ground. How does one even manage to do such a thing? My respect for you has been enormous ever since I found out about your work; but after watching this conversation, what I am floored by is your qualities as a human being.
You were polite and impossibly civil while making point after point after point in the face of the most uninformed and moronic hostility or should I just say plain old bias and that takes a lot of serious effort. You didn't have to do this; quote, show images and cite reports to a host who chose to lay it thick without adequate homework. I am okay to overlook his mistaking you for a Muslim, because, let's face it, the world is notoriously ill-informed about people of the tiniest faith in the world (by numbers) that you and I belong to, which is Zoroastrianism. But his certitude in claiming that WaPo and NYT, have an anti-Israel bias is what had me shake my head in deep disgust. While I concede that none of us are free of our biases, his credulousness at the most basic stuff was just staggering.
Feroze Sidhwa, you are a hero to so many of us who have been eyeing this conflict closely from all corners of the world, and I cannot adequately express my gratitude for the sort of individual you are. You are a true credit to your upbringing, your education, the institutions which have shaped you, and the family that must support you unquestioningly in your worldview. It would sure be a privilege to meet up with you in person someday.
Noam really? What incentive does he have to lie. Yes there is suffering and war crimes in Gaza. Get your head out of your ass. This is not a good look for you
Same as every other propagandist who hates Israel
The same incentives as any other partisan. You think just cos he's a Dr he's above bias?
@@adtastic1533 he didn’t know what the conflict was prior to going. He was unbiased. Noam is just brainwashed to believe Fox News headlines lmao
@@oh_k8do you notice how you did not address his point in any way?
@@oh_k8 in what way does Israel’s policy about journalists relate to the dr’s political bias? Whether Israel lets in journalists to the Gaza Strip means dr’s are non-partisan? Please explain how these relate.
LOL Noam got his hackles up when the doctor referred parenthetically to Goldstone's background, saying it was a generalization, but then assumed the doctor was arab lololol
Noam spends most of the interview asking "if you saw 13 kids shot in the head, why would you only report 2?" and "in these era of phones everywhere, why dont we see all the kids dying or starved to death"; why doesn´t that apply to the reports by israelies about the alleged raped women and babies in ovens? And does that justify any kind of barbarism?
Questioning the integrity and first hand experiences of this doctor is obscene/ absurd. It indicates people’s refusal to accept reality because they too closely identify with those committing these atrocities.
Inability to accept responsibility.
Why not? He lied to Noam's face. He's a gullible scumbag propagandist
Noam, you never seize to amaze me in your ability to find convoluted, alternative explanations for Israeli war crimes. There’s no shame in admitting when you’re wrong, Noam. If anything, it boosts your credibility. Don’t be afraid to be self critical.
I think your post adds value to the conversation.
The level of mental gymnastics this man goes through to absolve the baby killers in Tel Aviv is astounding... Where is he's soul
@NoObPwnEdU314 Did you watch the same conversation I did? Noam conceded on many points while the doctor couldn't do the same even once. The doctor seemed genuine at first, but as the conversation continued, his biases became more and more clear.
It could very well be that they are due to war crimes but you and everyone else typing here have no clue.
@@Santiratawhat did he concede? Noam sat there and tried to justify how kids could’ve been ‘inadvertently’ shot in the head. I think it’s completely understandable for a doctor who witnessed that on a daily basis to come out feeling a bit more sympathetic to one side than the other. That doesn’t discredit everything he said.
JFC what a great reason to add the cellar to the boycott list
2:07:28 Noam has become the epitome of a technical foul ball. Doesn’t let the doctor finish points… disregards any and all information his convictions don’t align with. I heard the Comedy Cellar has lost its appeal… but what a hermit kingdom.
Great work and Thank you Dr Feroze Sidhwa. I saw Gaza Healthcare letters on Noah Samsen excellent letters please raising the voice for people in the HOLY LAND
The interviewer is so brainwashed, biased, and ignorant to the point of sounding crazy.
49:30 - if they are using the tunnels for warfare...why would they bring their civilians in there. What are you even insinuating how could this be possible even logistically. The tunnels would probablly be made to allow a small force of combatants to move in there not a whole 2 million population. How can the host have such simplistic logic. By what logic should the resistance fighters be so humanistic to protect their civilians when its elegal to target them, its like he accepts the fact that IDF illegally bombs civilians. It is painfull how he wants to just look away.
They - "resistance fighters" - spend billions on building tunnels and $0 on building shelters and then start a war that they know they have no chance of winning and that will cause mass civilian casualties....maybe that is not an official definition of "human shields" by the IJC.
Man the whole starvation picture discussion was wild, Noam what the fuck.
still waiting for the pictures though.
Noam, at the end of your converstion with the good doctor you say "we'll see" I think regarding whether 62 thousand Palestinians have starved to death but maybe also in reference to whether children are being systematically murdered by the IDF, implying that when the dust settles, we shall know.
Most of us dont want to take a wait and see approach to US taxpayers funding the plausible deliberate killing of children.
The evidence just ultimately feels weak and there's a long track record of false claims like this (e.g., "Jenin massacre") which justifies healthy skepticism.
My previous post seems to be preemptive response to your message. Freel free to respond to that one.@@JLP4444
The mass starvation idea has been a big lie. Furthermore, you are using "plausibility'' in an erroneous way. Plausibility just means that South Africa has standing to bring in the case and the Palestinian people have a right to be protected under the context of genocide. It is a legal term that propagandists have been twisting for their own agenda.
he said "we'll see" 10 months ago when he did his podcast with finkelstein.
@@JLP4444Israel’s actions and words justified a healthy skepticism that they would allow enough aid in and it was correct.
This Dr. respects norm way too much
Than god that the international community now is aware of what is happening in Gaza
Noam can attempt to nitpick all he wants. The doctor noticed something disturbing and looked for a pattern. It's well established that Israeli snipers operate with almost no distinctions made towards Palestinians, including children. This has been well documented even through Israeli soldiers' own words.
documented where?
@@lesweizman388One Shot is one documentary about this.
@@lesweizman388You’ll have to look something up for yourself. 😢
Maybe you should ask Jewish American Doctor Mark Perlmutter for an interview so you can stop psuedo downplaying this. Absolute tragedy to watch you try to squirm your way out of what’s happening.
I don't think you watched the entire interview.
@@comedycellarclipsI am still watching it and I am watching you try to squirm out of what he’s saying and back to how you view things through the lens of the propaganda narrative. This podcast has been operating this way for months.
@@justabrownmanit's pathetic. He's very good at it too. Making it seem like he's coming from a good faith place, still manages to fool me lol.
@@comedycellarclips I’ll reiterate what you dodged: maybe you should ask Jewish American Dr Mark Perlmutter on…
And you’re one of the most bad faith interviewers I’ve ever beheld. It’s absolutely absurd anyone would allow you to get by w ‘ya know after the Haaretz story about the prisoners losing limbs from being shackled? I called an ISRAELI and found out THE TRUTH, and it was much better for the Israeli side!”
Utterly absurd. Your rapacity will spell your demise. I remember the first interview I heard w you, where you wouldn’t shut up about the ‘most arid part of land,’ just a profound lack of self-awareness, after everything Zionists have stolen.
My fiance is Jewish and long before a year ago I’ve been terrified of the fact that over 50% of young conservatives believe ‘Jews have too much power.’
And *she* loathes you ppl more than I can even imagine, weaponizing antisemitism to launder a Supremacist genocide, setting HER (as a left-wing Jew, all the conspiracies involve HER) up to take the fall when fascism takes hold, and rendering it impossible to effectively battle the rising Nazi mvmt when you brand JEWS who support equal rights and oppose apartheid and genocide as antisemites.
Stunningly myopic, and I’m only 20m in so I’m sure I’m gonna be punching walls before this is over.
One day, mfer
@@comedycellarclips Shame on you Noam. Ask Mark Perlmutter on. Let's see how condescending and supremacist you behave.
Ah..the ever more complex pretzels that Noam contorts himself into to desperately hold on to this fairytale that the IDF is the " most moral army in the history of the world" is getting ridiculous.
He starts by saying he is not political and doesn't follow the news, but then can quote Amnesty international reports from 2006 and such. And he edited a book by Finkelstien. Something doesn't add up.
Yea. Every doctor who’s said the same thing is also working for the Hummus. 😂 the deniers are just pathetic.
@@tttrrrification Yeah, he's apparently completely free from bias and then just helped the most biased person I have ever heard speak write a book. I also found that shocking.
@@ruffryder13yea. Weird how he’s saying the same thing as doctor after doctor. Not just American doctors but European doctors. They must have all helped Finkelstein. 😂😂😂 god the desperate argument you cling to in order to avoid reality is absurd.
@justabrownman Sir, are you hummus?
As a former marksman, I am certain that all of what he said about the bullets is a complete lie.
Comments here questioning the guy sound absurd. It's like questioning people who made it out of Wounded Knee or the Warsaw Ghetto.
The allegations don't make any sense from a physical standpoint. Anyone with military experience would find his claims questionable. The fact that there is no other evidence and that he has a long history of writing for anti-Israel publications makes his claims suspicious.
No other evidence? No other evidence of what?
Is the fact that countless other doctors experienced the same things, not considered "other evidence" to you?
Do you live on a different planet?
rofl
@@hassanabdaladl all he is saying is that there are other doctors that saw this. If he had a large amount of images it would be slightly more believable.
@@aviodenheimer4090 so multiple witnesses isn't enough, if they don't have pictures?
Lot of Respect for the doctor and his patients with Noam. 🙏🏽
Noam, you seem like a genuinely really good faith interlocutor. I’ve listened to a number of podcasts. He’s obviously telling the truth. It’s what he saw. It’s what 65 other doctors saw. It’s what the NYT confirmed. What’s the alternative? I’m Jewish, grew up strongly pro Israel, did a gap year there, and a some point I just had to admit the whole world wasn’t biased against us.
God bless you for this comment, and it doesn't mean good things about Israel aren't also true, like being a national home for Jews, which I support, I simply don't support the aggressive militarism/apartheid that is blowing up in its face post Oct-7.
Your comment stands out for its sinceiity and intelligence
How is he obviously telling the truth? The way he tried to weasel out of admitting Hamas using human shields was entirely shady. I don't buy this starvation nonsense either. Like people won't take their starving relatives to hospital. I just don't buy it
how is he obviously telling the truth? how do we know you are telling the truth?
there nothing u see in gaza that hamass not approved in advance
Incredible to see a surgeon crack his knuckles the wrong way that causes arthritis
48:00 "Leaving aside the occupation". Well that is the point. Which is why you only care when one side is harmed or their safety is threatened.
"you" = not Noam. But the world
Why won’t/can’t people accept that this doctor is reporting his experiences. Too many people watching this are too biased and won’t accept anything their ego is offended by. All human beings do bad things.
These podcasts are too often echo chambers.
Thank you, Dr. Feroze Sidwha❤
It makes me sick to my stomach to contemplate this.
Noam, any comment on the IDF soldiers who force Palestinian civilians to act as human shields? At gunpoint. Handcuffed. Blindfolded. When the soldiers of this particular unit went to their superiors, fearful that they were breaking international law, they were told simple soldiers don’t need to worry about international law.
Any comment? Any spin on how this could be viewed differently?
Great post.
Interviewer is tough on this humanitarian doctor.
"You can't become an expert by doing a Google search" - so true. Ends badly.
Just to make a comment about Noam’s incredulity that the Gaza Health Ministry isn’t reporting on deaths from hunger. They are actually coming out with a report on that soon. I doubt this will change his mind about anything, since they probably won’t be based on pictures taken on an iphone and published to the internet in the middle of a warzone. But maybe some of his viewers will find it interesting.
This is unbelievably disrespectful to the doctor to think he’s lying straight to your face. He saw them, face to face he’s told you this you couldn’t confront him honestly cause you knew it was impossible so you just ask if the names of the kids were on the screen and is there a death certificate and health registry and address and zip code to shy away from the truth the IDF shoots children’s and anyone who’s in their way.
I'm totally with you,Noah on the starvation issue. He's gaslighting is through the roof. You shouldn't believe your lying eyes, just accept blindly what experts say. Ok,sure. Experts and institutions can be compromised and biased. I googled starving in Ethiopia. We don't see any fat mothers there. I saw the picture of the extremely thin boy in Gaza. In the background sitting 3 fat women. It is a totally legit question. How are they fat? They document everything with their cellphones,although there's no electricity. If there were thousands an tens of thousands of people visibly starving, are you saying there would be nobody to shoot a few photos of those people?
Commendable that both sides talked - but god what a terrible interview.
1:47:53 ok, i get that noam is trained as a laywer and that his political and cultural sympathies lie with Israel, so if Dr. Sidwha is willing to sit down for Noam's--at times thoughtful, at times invidious and badgering cross examination--I'll listen and do my best to evaluate the evidence and arguments presented by both men with intellectual honesty and charity. but this is the moment where noam's desperate nitpicking of every sentence lapses into embarrassing delusion. if clinging to your beliefs about the situation leads you to sound like this, it's time to reevaluate your assumptions
The doctor's patience is incredible
Ive worked in healthcare for almost 30 years, across 3 countries, and worked with hundreds of Drs including those that work for free in some of the poorest countries in the world. 99% of Drs I know don't put themselves out in the media unless they are discussing narrow medical topics relevant to their specialty. The 1% that fancied themselves as celebrities were doing it for money and not well respected. Ive met zero that made a celebrity out of themselves by taking one side of an international conflict, wrote articles about it in national newspapers and gathered evidence of war crimes. Of course this doesnt disprove anything but it does set off my BS detector because you are compromising yourself as a medical professional.
You know who does use real human shields though.... funny how this isnt mentioned 🤔
th-cam.com/video/qUu0ZI_dbOc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=DYvYtB8ILkuwV2xE
Similar, to the inversion of facts regarding sexual assault .
The interviewer is outright biased. Ridiculous questioning by him about the tunnels based on a clip of less than a minute. In any case, why would a resistance group allow civilians into their tunnels for military use?
The question is why could they *not* build *any* tunnels/shelters for *civilian* use?? Given all of the military tunnels...
Maybe because the so called "resistance" group is the elected government of the people who's freedom and national self determination they're supposedly fighting for? Hence the safety of their civilian population is supposed to be their top priority? Oh. Wait. Of course they themselves said that it's actually the responsibility of the UN and even Israeli to care for the safety of their civilians, and their own, Hamas job is to eradicate the Israeli state, Jews everywhere and eventually bring about an all-enveloping Khalifate around the world. And having as many of their own civilians starving and getting killed is an essential part of that. Having realized that-yes indeed, why would they let the civilians into their tunnels, like an actual government would?
LOL. Why would the leaders of Gaza protect their own civilians? Basic morality? Lmfao.
@@caseypdx503That wasn’t the question. If it was I’d say the blockade of building materials. You do know Israeli shelters wouldn’t be able to stand up to Israeli boom booms? they are made for bathtub Hamas rockets. They’d be harder to build for both of them. Even harder for the side without building materials.
@@lookbovine I don’t think you understand my point in the slightest…
The bomb shelter could be built just like a tunnel. It works for them, why not their civilians?
That brings us to Hamas *entire strategy* which is to leave their civilians unprotected, to maximize civilian casualties to make Israel look as bad as possible…
Even though, Israel has achieved an excellent ratio: 1:1, which is the best ever for urban warfare
We have no way of knowing whether the children were shot by the IDF or Hamas (for example, when trying to flee/in crossfire). Nonetheless, seeing shot children is horrific and devastating.
The more I listen, it seems he contradicts what he wrote with his arguments on here - then why use false language in the first place? It’s so inauthentic & damaging.
He also said “it implies Palestinians are stupid and want to die”. I’m not going to call them stupid but as a society, they overwhelmingly glorify death and martyrdom. What does he think the intifadas were?? There’s SO much evidence of Sinwar/Hamas leaders stating they want more Palestinian blood. Not sure if he’s naive or a straight up liar.
Either a spy level truth spinner or he's of good faith but with huge internal bias, which could be comprehensible for a doctor treating only one side's patients for quite some time.
Hard to say, but then he did 2 times the whole "Israel killed a million people - wait no, sorry Norman, bro, I never wanted to said that, though I just did, let's pretend I did not"
That's suspicious.
Then the whole famine discussion, when he denied the existence of starving people in Ethnopia on the basis of photographs that we've probalby all seen before... You don't need to be a Famine PHD to regognize extreme weight loss in those contexts.
To believe him you really need to either be extremely biased or never pay attention to his actual points and just wonder at how well he argues.
But it's why those long form interviews are so great, the longer you talk the harder it gets to keep any posturing and hide things. You might have gotten away with in a 20 min TV segment but try 4h.
"On 30 June 2024, the IPC Global Famine Review Committee said evidence indicates famine is not currently occurring in Gaza..."
This guy is a slippery one
Theres more recent reports like the one here^^^
@@oh_k8And yet Hamas still won't lay day down its arms., proving Noam's point. They couldn't care less about health and safety of their civilians.
@@oh_k8 Where in that statement says there's a famine? Where in that statement says 62K people died and 200K dying of starvation. It says people are hungry. It's says there is RISK of famine. It doesn't say people are dying from starvation at scale. So I have no need to retract anything and this slippery Dr just lied to Noam's face.
@@samadler3They aren’t starving because Hamas won’t lay down arms, it’s bc Israel won’t allow in enough aid on purpose. Israel, the occupying power, is using starvation as a weapon of warfare. Your denial of w@r crimes is palpable. They can’t make aid contingent on laying down arms; that’s a w@r crime.
I thought this doctor was an honest man, until he denied the use of human shields by hamas. What a a malicious and duplicious person. "No evidence" everyone who says so is nuts"
Disgusting
The claims ive seen on Twitter are not that this is a fake photo but that it's not a .56 caliber IDF sniper bullet. And that it would be extraordinarily unlikely for a sniper bullet to come to a stop in the skull unless it was a ricochet or at the very end of its range. Many People claiming to have balistic expertise and medical experience with gunshot imaging have been extremely skeptical that these are a result of an IDF shooting.
Who do you think is shooting the children?
@@bryanmurray9846 who tf knows, the point is that a sniper shot is obviously intentional, but if it clearly wasn't a sniper shot, the intentionality is *extremely questionable*
Considering he is a non biased professional aid worker he sure knows all the past and present apologist talking points
too bad he isnt as honest as his colleague, perlmutter, who admits he believes that israel should be destroyed
yea, apologia for human rights.
@@welshmonsterhunter7028 This guy is an activist with First Aid training. He ain't no Dr. Not a real one.
@@adtastic1533 Didn't know the Medical Boards could talk, shuttup
Just based on this comment (I haven't watched the whole episode), my takeaway would be that he is clearly deep in the ideological arguments and not as non-biased as he says he is
Noam, two days after I watched this, I still cannot get over the shocking lack of sensitivity you have displayed in trying to give a clean chit to Israel, your holy cow. I write this from Mumbai, India. Trust me my friend, all of us from Mumbai to Miami and Moscow to Mozambique are watching this closely. With every passing day, our disgust for apologists like you who still defend this genocide keeps mounting. You have no idea how your actions are damaging your credibility. (Israel and IDF have none left any more by way of credibility anyway.)
Hamas is a terrorist group but Israel is a terrorist state in itself. And that makes you all complicit in its crimes. Get that straight. It may seem like the Zionist state is winning this, but in actual fact, 2023-24 will go down as the first severe body blow to its very existence. You read that here first.
Vista, odd name, but you communicate a real sentiment. I celebrate and laud your message 😮 tell all of those you know Zio ways have got to go
@@lookbovine Thank you for your warm comment. As for the name, it's Vistasp. TH-cam has this strange habit of selecting a user name on our behalf and one can do nothing about it.
@@lookbovine ❤
58:41 - LET HIM SPEAK!!
on ukraine/russia, he says it's not his job to decide who's right or who's wrong
but has no problem stating his opinions on israel/palestine
guy has to work on his taqiah
@@oh_k8 i believe it is you who has the problem with comprehension, and knowing this doctor's history.
1:53:40 He’s familiar with this conflict, perhaps not with Ukraine/Russia.
Im with Noam. There is no way we wouldnt know if 200K people are starving to death in Gaza and the way this guy tried to weasel his way out of Hamas clearly sacrificing its own people for pilitical gain is disingenuous
its not always on purpose , people growing with the idea that its normal for the loser to also be a victim , lefties do that all the time
I think Israel itself admits to blocking aid. If they aren’t even getting access to gloves or anesthesia while the amputate children. What makes you think they are getting food? I’ve seen videos of families having to eat food for animals. I get ppl live Israel but no citzens exspecially and where half the population is children should have to be going through what they are. That’s not a moral army at all.
This was an argument made about the concentration camps back in the day. Wait for the information to come forth.
@@oh_k8 Yes, of course I would.
@@darwin6883 They didn't have Al Jazeera, 2 million phone cameras, the internet, and a global Palestinian propaganda operation during the Holocaust.
Noam this was pathetic. You kept interrupting, moving the goal post, adding conjecture. Not a surprise though, you are trying to defend the indefensible and you are trying to debunk the reality we all see. You are not able to do that with a good faith discussion, so you resort to these tactics. Stop embarrassing yourself to defend genocide.
Be specific
@@comedycellarclips they cant be.
there is over 50k babies born in gaza since the war, in genocide the population dont grow lol
And I'm completely sure that the doctor wasn't expecting people to impugn his credibility (re the children) as his hands were covered in blood, working without basic medical instruments, in a war zone.
In many ways, your questioning was, frankly, pathetic.
@@hassanabdaladlhe's making claims that are just plainly false.
He's a hero. But he made claims that he took back, that it was absolutely false, a wild claim that he has absolutely no evidence for and he is talking about 60k ppl starved to death? That's insane. Totally insane, and you know it. And the Dr MUST know it.
He's a hero.. And I wish there were way more ppl doing the work to save ppl, I just don't know why he thinks he has authority to make some of the claims he makes.
It's disgusting thay ppl are claiming those pics of the bullets in heads are fake. They are clearly real.
1:02:02 Someone’s never seen videos of what the IDF did to people fishing on the beach, much less what happened to tents on the beach in humanitarian safe zones.
I can tell you, personally knowing at least 2 IL snipers that these guys are usually highly intelligent people that would never kill any target (and especially children) without getting strict orders. Could there be some psychos in the IL army that aimed for some kids sometimes? Absolutely.
2:12:30 tells it all. He will not accept it. Him being lawyer explains a lot though lol.
Here is a doctor, who personally witnessed the suffering in Gaza. And noam is trying to dispute it by googling images? Which proved the doctor correct too..
here is a doctor who once wrote for electronic intifada
Could someone please clarify, are the images of the children's skulls x-rays or CT scans ? I ask this because it has been my understanding that metal inside the body appears incredibly bright and striated with streaks or bright rays emanating from the object on the scan. I understand that the image can vary depending on the density and type of metal. There are of course other factors such as type of machine and internal settings when conducting a CT scan. Any input would be helpful.
The calandar is an incredible example if confirmation bias.
It never occurred to Noam that it would make sense for the hospital to mark the calandar with the day that casualties started flooding in with such intensity, and of course they would know the operations name.
@brothercaptainxuul784 He talked about a calendar in the basement of Al-Shifa Hospital, but that incident was not in Al-Shifa. It was Al-Rantisi Hospital. He thinks it is irrelevant that the calendar started on October 7. He also conveniently forget that there was an elevator in that hospital basement that went directly to the tunnels with connections to a home nearby owned by a Hamas commander. It was an obvious Hamas hideout so they could sneak out, attack Israel, and then return to the hospital, all underground and protected by the status of the hospital. AND he completely dismisses this because there were days of the week written on the calendar? Please explain your logic because it makes absolutely no sense to me and appears to be grossly disingenuous.
@@SantirataI like your little story about a Hamas commander. It would have been something the IDF would have mentioned when they gave their tour of the Al Rantisi hospital basement. That was when they pointed to the calendar and called it a list of names.
@@lookbovine They did mention it. It's on video.
@@SantirataAnd you believed it. 😂 There is a list 👉
@lookbovine You can keep lying to yourself and denying the truth, but it doesn't change the facts.
How could they be starving when trucks loaded with tons of food for the Palestinians
If he was home with his family?
Jesus , Noam, you do realize that most of the homes are rubble right?
I admire Noam's work but just didn't find the first 15 minutes interesting enough to keep going. I did "skim" some and found that Noam raised a key point at 24:00 and I don't think the interviewee had a solid answer (wish Noam stayed on this point or perhaps brought in one of the experts who have confidently weighed in that the images were fake). Other key point I hope came up was why wouldn't an immediate hypothesis be that Hamas shot these kids?
Some other initial red flags I'd note: the doctor recently had a tweet saying something like "now that the NYT confirmed our report, there needs to be an investigation...", but the NYT simply made a blanket statement of support, they offered no additional evidence and didn't answer the specific objections people who do have relevant expertise raised.
Then, the doctor plays down his original political motivations but it's hard to believe a recent college graduate just goes to Haifa and works for a Pro-Palestinian NGO on a whim ("to learn about the conflict"). And, finally, a minor but perhaps telling point: he says Haifa is Israel's "only mixed city"(?) Haifa maybe is Israel's most or biggest mixed city, but it's not really accurate to say "only" one and that sounds like a habit of speech of someone who is used to being in politically extreme anti-Israel environments.
The insensitivity of this guy is shocking and his undermining of empirical evidence is even more shocking! Chapeau to the doctor who tries his best to explain and for going on the field risking his life to help!
what empirical evidence?
It's clear the doctor has friends/people around him that fed him talking points so he can't really say he's apolitical and doesn't keep up with political discussions. And I always find it pathetic when people attempt to downplay hamas's intentions. Just give them 0 benefit of the doubt and continue the conversation.
Cause even when you do that, you come to the conclusion that Israel is acting insane. When the resettlement of parts of Gaza start taking place like the meetings this weekend from 1/3rd of the governing party, Noam was shift from 0 resettlement to "you can't expect to start a war and not steal some territory" or something. The shifting goalposts this past year on the Israeli side is disturbing and we are way past the point of the constant killing accomplishing an objective. This is gonna be years of unnecessary killing because people defended a rogue state and leader trying to stay in power in Israel.
“The truth of the matter, matters.”
excellent guest - very fair and balanced
I think the assertion that the best trained snipers are aiming at children is the issue.
Has it happened? Probably? Does it explain every case? Probably not.
I am guessing being a doctor in those conditions is harrowing.
The bias that comes through is that Hamas could not possibly be responsible for any death in Gaza, and Israel is aiming at kids' heads.
How do you know kids are not being shot by Hamas? In crossfire.
You are seeing the hurt kids, not who hurt them in what circumstance.
His entire claim hinges on Israeli soldiers purposely aiming at children. As a former IDF I can say that this does not make sense on any level. I would need mountains of evidence and an explanation on how this is possible. Even the smallest military bullets will pass through a head from a kilometer away. Trying to hit a target the size of a car from over 500 meters is a challenge with anything other than high-power rifles.
@@ElishevaLe I think 40,000 + ppl dead on one side is telling.
I got sociopath vibes
Thanks, "doc"
What does he deal with all day every day?
Enjoyed the interview and the back and forth. Also, I know it’s been awhile but would consider having Noam Finklestein on again?
What do you think about Max Blumenthal coming on the show? Normans legacy is absolutely breathtaking, but perhaps he isnt at his prime anymore. Whereas, Max still is.
"States are brutal institutions in general." Truer words were never said.
He doesnt know what he wrote six months ago??? Claims to know kids were shot deliberately?? Claims to know who shot kids in Gaza?? Sorry, but his credibility is seriously tarnished.
You claim they were all ricochet? You deny he was in Gaza? What has tarnished his credibility? Nothing you’ve shown or claimed.
Dr. Feroze deserves gratitude and admiration for the work he has done. And there is no question that the humanitarian situation in Gaza is horrific and the suffering is heart wrenching. (I blame Hamas for this, but that is beside the point.) The obvious question I wish Noam had asked is this: On what evidence does the good doctor accuse the IDF for the shootings? Could it not just as well come from Hamas snipers? We can’t accept the say-so of the parents, who for good reason would not dare to blame Hamas. So what is the evidence? To me, the automatic assumption that it’s axiomatic that IDF soldiers killed these children (and did so deliberately) is a clear indication of bias.
Why would Palestinians intentionally shoot Palestinian children? You do realize they are human also? Thats equal to saying the idf intentionally shoots Israeli children. An outrageous notion. Also I’ve seen a decent amount of videos of Idf soldiers shooting Palestinian children. Anecdotal I guess
Right it’s the fault of Hamas, not of the illegal occupation that has lasted for decades in which gave life to the very idea of creating Hamas…
This Doctor is a joke😂. He says he doesn't know anything about the conflict but he knows everything about Goldstein report,Hamas and Amnesty. He's such a liar
Did this guy just say he edited Norman Finkelstein's book? I know it's a tangent, but how do you not interrogate that? He's a medical doctor and has less credentials than Finkelstein himself, not to mention what it says about his judgement, etc...
You're right that I probably should have questioned that more.
@@comedycellarclips Ya, its really strange that someone with his background would edit a book like that, not to mention the questions of the veracity/citation fidelity of Finkelstein's work (although he did say it was about Gandhi, not israel/pal)
@@comedycellarclipsanything to try and sidestep the reality doctor after doctor is coming back with talking about. 😏
@@justabrownman Nobody is saying to sidestep what he is saying or to use his editing relationship with finkelstein as evidence of some sort of impropriety in his hospital/children reporting. I said it was a tangent, and yes, it is worth asking about if not at that moment than at some point
@@admperi That fact was absolutely shocking.
Who’s Norman?
Noam, even jet lagged and exhausted, you've made it clear through this conversation that this mild mannered Dr is not a good faith actor. The famine conversation at the end is simply astonishing.
@@oh_k8 are you a expert on the ground. Channel 4 you tube is now doing a piece apparently on the lack of aid getting into the mass murder indoctrinate bombing of civilians in gaza. So that wiil be interesting.
Where is the interview about the alleged Israeli use of prisoners? Can't find it
How Israel’s Army Uses Palestinians as Human Shields in Gaza NYTIMES
This is one of the best/scariest interviews yet. Usually the Pro-Hamas people are unhinged and give themselves away quickly, this doctor is very calm and much more subtle. Weaving in Hamas propaganda in easier to digest bits while staying calm. Amazing strategy and didn’t reveal himself to be Pro Hamas until nearly the end.
If you spend a billion dollars (or more) building a “subterranean fortress” (NY Times) while your people starve, that is still not the Jews’ fault no matter how much this Hamas supporter wants it to be.
If you also position those tunnels directly under civilian areas, then as the acting government tell those people not to leave knowing they will be blown up that is HORRIFIC. He kept trying to bring back the conversation to the term “human shield” so he could argue semantics. Who cares what the term is. They are murdering their own people.
Instead he repeats the equivalent of “Jews are killing children!” - this is the most oft repeated headline in human history, and it’s never once been true.
Instead of constantly saying children dead, how about “civilian” vs “combatant”. I think killing a 50 year old man is no less of a war crime than a child. It just depends if they were soldiers or not. As sad as it is, and horrifying to think about, 15 year olds can shoot a gun.
Focusing on “children” or “shot in the head” are clear emotional appeals against Israel. If they’re dead civilians it’s already a war crime.
I swear this is my last comment, but, Noam is of course correct to say it's only reasonable to assume that if there were such a number of starving people (starving, in its common meaning, not those food insecurity definitions), we'd see it.
How when the IDF won’t let even allow journalists to go in there . Hundreds have been killed literally. Israel admits to blocking aid . What kind of mental gymnastics are ppl doing to just ignore this? I honestly think if they came out and said they were committing a genocide , people would still ignore that and say they are the most moral army in the world lol come on we can be honest. Innocent civilians don’t deserve this.
At least Noam is transparent in his viewpoint and what he is trying to get at. He is unabashedly pro-Israel. Dr. Sidwha characterized Noam as "not wanting find fault in Israel's actions" or finding less fault, and Noam didn't counter him at all.
Because others take that perspective and refer to it as a search for the truth. At least Noam is honest that he is on one side of this thing.
Ok, I'm 2 hours in and I wasn't sure at first, but now I think he's mostly lying. It's all the same memes. Amnesty Internationals 2014 report on human shields, Goldstone's recanting wasn't a "real" recanting, Al-Shifa tunnels were built by Israel, etc.
I don't know if I'm right, but the video CT scan doesn't line up with the x-ray to my eyes. In the x-ray the bullet is about level with the eyes and about 2/3 from the front of the face. In the CT scan, the bullet doesn't begin to show up until after the scan has moved above the eyeballs, and it is much closer to the rear of the skull. Maybe there's slight angle differences that give me this perception, I'm not sure, I have hardly ever scrutinized medical scans. EDIT: I changed my mind, the CT scan makes sense, we still don't know anything beyond the fact that the scans are legit.
That's a lot of brain gymnastics you're doing to just not accept what's been happening for a year.
Goldstone didn't recant anything of substance.
To me, it is the ballistics that does not add up. The only thing I can think about is that these kids were getting hit by bullets falling back to the ground after weapon caches were destroyed but even that is a stretch.
Goldstone pulled his report as soon as he realized how much it was tempered with the islamic propaganda
@@lawrencekagan8688 you convinced me
one thing about pro- Palestine argument is always trying to play on your emotion. If want us believe you, provide evidence not just trust me thing that you all do.
Pro-isreal ppl do the same thing. All i ever hear is "waaaah october seventh" (even tho they killed WAY more people in response) "waaaah what about our israli hostages 😢" (even tho you have hostages too and do the same thing) jews be tryna make ppl feel bad for them cause the holocaust but then turn around and do a holocaust on another group smh
@@oh_k8 how would you know, you were not born then.
@@winnersfootballtv5517They had to rationalize it somehow. The images and video are right in front of your face day in and day out, as clear as the smell from the smokestacks.
I get strong Mehdi Hasan vibes from the interviewee.
@@JLP4444 right?
@@JLP4444 his bias is so obvious.
The first red flag in this interview is when he said that 10,000 civilians were kiIIed in Ukraine. In Mariupol alone, 25,000 civilians were kiIIed, so this is an absurdly low figure, and I've mostly just seen it brandished by anti-Israel ideologues who are making a comparison with Gaza.
that 10k number comes from the UN. There’s no chance 25k civilians were killed in Mariupol.
@@OdieSalmon The UN specifically says the 10,000 number is "the tip of the iceberg" and not supposed to represent anything close to the total number of casualties - it's just the numbers they've specifically identified themselves. It's an irrelevant figure if you're trying to identify the scale of casualties.The Associated Press says they identified 10,000 new graves just in Mariupol, often mass graves, and that as many as 75,000 civilians were kiIIed. So if anything, the 25,000 figure from Ukranian officials is probably an undercount.
@@Discoursivist 75k??? 😂😂😂 are you high believing that?? Never mind the fact that Azov was killing pro-Russian citizens in Mariupol.
@@Discoursivist42.5k is the tip, doctors say 119k, Lancet said 186k, but 200k is not unrealistic now.
@@lookbovine We're talking about Ukraine, not Gaza. But your numbers on Gaza are completely unfounded. Hamas health officials (who have all the incentive to overcount and none to undercount) state specifically that there are 42,500 from violence (of which 30% are "unidentified") and up to 10,000 unaccounted for or in the rubble, with the absolute max kiIIed equal to around 55k. The Lancet correspondence, which is just a letter from some activists, not a study of any kind, simply says they think these Hamas numbers are true, and that in other conflicts, there are 3-15 times as many "indirect" non-violent deaths as there are direct deaths, so they just decided that there are probably 4 times as many indirect deaths - and that's where they got this 186k number. They say this 186k number "is not implausible," but they didn't actually do any data collection in Gaza or research or anything else to come up with this number, it's based on literally nothing except supposed studies of other unrelated conflicts, and they don't pretend otherwise. So if we are to believe that in Ukraine there were at least the same number of civilians kiIIed directly, which is a conservative assumption given that 25k were kiIIed in Mariupol alone, and at least 10-15k of the dead in Gaza are militants, then we should expect an equal number of indirect deaths in Ukraine.
I actually don't understand all the disingenious aspects he seemingly has to hold about what's he's arguing for. It's just self-defeating, totally unnecessary for the points he actually wants to make and exhausting, crazy thing.
It becomes clear at the end that the "doctor" is a propagandist.
Calling any army the most moral army is beyond absurd. One more propagandized concept.
Noam, I love ya but sheesh you have a hair trigger. Let the guy finish speaking until you jump down his throat.
I'll be as kind as I can. When, as Dr Sidhwa has, you've handled dead children and seen the brutality of war first-hand, there is no other reaction to have but to say this has to end and those responsible need to stop. That's just called being human - which he clearly is. Had he been the trauma surgeon on duty on Oct 7th however, taking in and dealing with Israeli casualties I'm guessing he might have a different perspective. We are all grateful for people like him, on all sides, but probably best to stick to the job and not opine on politics and morals from one perspective.
he has been opining on israel/palestine since at least 2005
kinda funny how someone who claims he was apolitical and didnt even think about israel/palestine until the second intifada, starts writing for the extremely antisemitic and anti-israel online rag, electronic intifada in 2005
He clearly is and you clearly are not.
This is exactly right. It's not a Drs role to go do politics. It compromises their integrity.
Literally questioning that people are starving. Food hasn’t entered Gaza since September. Noam youre sick man. Praying for your soul.
The UN food index done a month ago showed Israel have 400 tons of food, around 2 years worth of food. 520 trucks have not returned and are waiting for collection.
It's all a disgusting lie, they will kill their own people to try frame Israel, that is the depravity
You know this how?, one thing about pro- Palestine argument is always trying to play on your emotion. If want us believe you, provide evidence not just trust me thing that you all do.
23:37 Not a weapons expert but i know most bullets don’t remain intact when they enter. Some bullets are even designed to expand in the body so they don’t penetrate through. I don’t think Noam reasoning here is correct.
I was hoping this would be the interview where Norm changes his mind on the genocide. 30 min in I'm fearing I was wrong. How someone could take first hand testimony with such bad faith interrogation is beyond my comprehension.
Because he’s a cultist basically. Nothing will pierce the ideology.
Did you hear what the doctor said??? He said he's sure the Israeli government is not behind any policy of murdering Palestinians.
@@comedycellarclipswhat does that have to do with war crimes being committed by soldiers who have themselves posted about killing anyone and everyone. It doesn’t have to be an official policy for it to be happening. Which is what doctor after doctor have said. The New York Times just reported soldiers are using Palestinians as human shields. Widespread across units. Is it an ACTUAL policy from the top down? Nice try dude.
@@comedycellarclips It is and has always been Israeli policy to ensure the entire land of Palestine is a part of Israel that is demographically dominated by people of the Jewish faith. The wilful extermination of Gazans by the army and this overarching aim of the Zionists is more than just a happy coincidence.
@@justabrownmansoldiers individual prerogatives to murder indiscriminately does not reflect the military’s policy on approaching war tactics regarding civilians. Their actions are disgusting, but this is something that happens in war and, while really messed up and unforgivable, doesn’t directly represent a whole governments interest.
Norm should feel ashamed of himself for this interview. He is squirming at each turn to shift blame from Israel creating the conditions of famine and genocide in Gaza to blaming it on the victims.
Here's the alternative explanation for the infamous tunnels/human shields video --
1. Tunnels serve Hamas' military purposes
2. Having non-combatants there would prevent the execution of Hamas' military aims
3. But they should be fine as Israel is supposed to, by international law, take care of civilians -- and if it doesn't,
We don't care much
(Vs.
1. Tunnels serve Hamas, not civilians
2. Israel doesn't care about civilian casualties
3. Civilian casualties aid our cause)
israel is under no obligation to care for civilians of the enemy
stop making up international law
They couldnt build bomb shelters too?
@@dannaturman1570 they could, but don't care to.
The people bombing civilians with 2000 lb bombs are complaining that said civilians weren't put into bomb shelters that would have been destroyed by the aforementioned 2000 lb bombs anyways.
The commentary on bomb shelters is completely absurd.
Noam is a blubbering waterhead, end of!
Noam sources trust me bro I seen picture on google.
We Are the World video as proof lol
29:19 He says here “…he can’t judge any individual instance…” but in another video short on “sahatenglish” he says “….they know who they’re shooting, they know who their snipers are shooting….”. The video on “sahatenglish” looked edited so I can’t be sure he didn’t say things in between. I’ll keep an eye out for his next interviews which hopefully clarifies this because this is a horrifying report he is giving.
2:09:38