@@timtaylor9590 I bet that speed cadence sensor on the fork added a bit of drag as well. Is it a requirement to have it there? If not, I'd hide it out of winds way
@@lechprotean yea i dont think that would even get him a few seconds over the hour time. the crank, im estimating, could possibly give him at least 10 seconds or more. those gaps in the spider and while spinning creates a lot of turbulence similar to a disc rotor or even wheels hence the solid disc wheels. but yea if they really wanted they could integrate that sensor inside the fork, it would be a simple mod from a carbon specialist. but again i would be surprised if it made even a slight difference. positioning and the skin suit are so huge tho.
Fast facts on Fred’s Hour record: he became the 41st best rider to ever ride the hour, including those who had personal bests on the Obree / Superman bikes. He also set an unofficial Gerraint Thomas velodrome track record, and a Welsh (Wales) National Record
Ambient temperature does make a difference. I know the heating system in the main velodrome quite well as I work in the industrial heating sector and instantly recognize the system (4 zones of low-intensity radiant tube heating systems, but I digress) when I did a track experience day at Newport. I would definitely recommend trying out track riding to anyone!
Did a fair bit of track in my days, but country where I moved to a couple of decades ago never shown appetite for a single velodrome. Not short of trying on my side. Main argument used by the Sport Council is the country didn’t have a single track champion so it could not justify it… 🤔
Back in the day, narrow tires were very common. I still have some 20mm clincher tires. I have an old front wheel with a Comp 19 still glued on it. I even have an old Vittoria CS18 that I used for TT's.
@@gcntech Slightly disappointing result. I‘m just not made for these 10-20min efforts. 1.5 minutes full gas is no problem, 5 hours zone 2 is no problem but anything around FTP is just a mess. We did not have a video on rider types and how you can overcome your limits at least a bit for some time. Maybe as a follow up on Ollies 1000w challenge?
Ooh Argon18. Great Job Fred! I don't think I can even push that gear. What caused the blowout? Also at what temperature would the heat start slowing the cyclist? We're getting a velodrome here soon and we average 30°C, it can get to 35 in the afternoon, probably even hotter on the inside of the velodrome, would that start to slow the cyclist down from overheating? Or would the thinner air provide more of an advantage?
Blow out was the wheel twisted in the start as I went out the gate, rubbing on the frame till it wore through. That will be too hot really. You want it about 25 deg
Great story and very well done to the new record holder. It would have been good to have actually said the distance recorded on the programme that beat the hour record.
How is this kid not getting a bike sponsorship by British cycling? Where are these bodies when you need them? It shouldn’t be the case a young lad should be squabbling around to get the parts to get the best chance at the record!
@@matthewmorrell5571 I am old enough to remember when the ancient Amateur Bicycle League of America (pre-USCF/USA Cycling) used to restrict the junior class (15 to 18 year olds) to 88 gear inches (52x16) even on the ROAD, let alone the track! ;)
@M M that’s the difference, there is a lot of those naturally gifted athletes, but for one reason or another they don’t get into the sport at a high level simply because they can’t afford to go to races or even out of their country. If a kid has all those factors you listed that you can get with money, that kid would be labeled as “the gifted” kid. And genetics doesn’t play a big role in cycling, it’s all about the person and how much they train their whole life
@M M Yes I'm exactly saying that every successful junior who is rocking the 10,000 bikes and tt bike at his disposal is rich and gifted. Not the top athletes in the TDF. But whenever I see these "gifted" juniors. They're always white rich Europeans who had a dad in the TDF or a pro race and funds their kid's cycling career like crazy. It's no coincidence you don't see the poor athletes spring up at the junior level, they only appear at the later stages because they fought through the ranks in their country when they finally got access to real coaching and equipment. My argument was about junior riders if you give a kid TDF level coaching, diet tips, a routine, and a crazy expensive bike. No shit the kid will be some "gifted" athlete. That's my main argument here Honestly, do you think the kid in this video is one of those poor athletes who had a zero to hero story like some in the pro peloton? The kid is able to rent out a god damn velodrome and has an excellent Track bike with telemetry data. Who the fuck is under 18 and can afford this
It would of been nice if you had told us what Fred’s distance was at the end of the record, other than just saying he broke the record! By how much, etc? TIA
Brilliant, amazing effort, well done Fred, I never knew Ollie had done an hour record too... glad he mentioned it ; ) #askgcn what are the foam rectangular 'sausages' for that are placed on the curves of the cote d'azure?? What purpose do they serve?
There probably is a crossover point but I think it's really quite thin. The men's hour record was done in Mexico at altitude for this reason, as was Dowsetts recent attempt and they still want high temps and a low pressure day even up there.
I've often wondered about this - I'm fairly sure the density only has a linear effect on drag (ie it's not squared or anything - if you increase density by say 10% it should only increase drag force & hence required power by 10% for a given speed). Similarly there should be a linear relationship between density and the amount of oxygen you can take in - so surely they should cancel each other out? I mean I'm sure there's a reason the pros favour Aguascalientes but I just can't figure out how it works...
@@The1trueDave Could be. When Ollie started talking about atmospheric drag, I remembered a prior video dealing with performance drop off at high altitude. Now, "low pressure" at or near sea level probably ain't all that low, so I may be quibbling over nothing significant. But if oxygen is not relevant, why not build a track on top of Everest?
It's a balancing act. At lower altitude, you can breathe in more oxygen and produce more power, but at higher altitude, you don't actually need to produce as much power to travel the same speed because the air resistance is so much lower. People much smarter than us crunched the numbers to try and find the optimum altitude for travelling at hour record pace, leading to riders like Campenaerts and Dowsett attempting the record at Aguascalientes in Mexico, close to 2,000 meters above sea level
@@gcntech Is it something to do with maybe breathing in more oxygen than you can use at sea level, so let's say you only use 90% of what you breathe in, but at higher altitude you don't have that surplus? That would then skew the calculation in favour of higher altitude... maybe...?
Great video Ollie….. FairPlay to ye for giving it a lash!! Just one question with better Tech out there now Ollie could you do a better hour record not too?
If I could beat the hour record having to wear that poc helmet I wouldn't do it. It's like having to ride without pants. In a busy city. With all your friends and family watching.
What did you make of Fred's set-up?
y no aero crankset?
if he taped small bolts he shouldve taped that spider smooth it would give way more gains than taping a few bolts
@@timtaylor9590 I bet that speed cadence sensor on the fork added a bit of drag as well. Is it a requirement to have it there? If not, I'd hide it out of winds way
@@lechprotean yea i dont think that would even get him a few seconds over the hour time. the crank, im estimating, could possibly give him at least 10 seconds or more. those gaps in the spider and while spinning creates a lot of turbulence similar to a disc rotor or even wheels hence the solid disc wheels. but yea if they really wanted they could integrate that sensor inside the fork, it would be a simple mod from a carbon specialist. but again i would be surprised if it made even a slight difference. positioning and the skin suit are so huge tho.
Did I miss it, or was the time result not even mentioned in the video?
Fast facts on Fred’s Hour record: he became the 41st best rider to ever ride the hour, including those who had personal bests on the Obree / Superman bikes. He also set an unofficial Gerraint Thomas velodrome track record, and a Welsh (Wales) National Record
I love how Ollie is always enthusiastic about everything he does or attends to.
What a monster effort, congratulations to Fred, all his supporters, sponsors and Dan for being an all round great guy for lending his race bike!
Great ride Fred!! Great commentary Ollie! Another win for GCN.
Incredible young man! You rocked it out, so bright a future for this kid what a Star!!!!
For sure, What an achievement!
Ambient temperature does make a difference. I know the heating system in the main velodrome quite well as I work in the industrial heating sector and instantly recognize the system (4 zones of low-intensity radiant tube heating systems, but I digress) when I did a track experience day at Newport. I would definitely recommend trying out track riding to anyone!
Did a fair bit of track in my days, but country where I moved to a couple of decades ago never shown appetite for a single velodrome. Not short of trying on my side. Main argument used by the Sport Council is the country didn’t have a single track champion so it could not justify it… 🤔
Well done, Fred :-)) Can only imagine how difficult 'the hour' is. Respect!
Yet another very talented Fred. Chapeau!
It was a great effort!
Way to go Fred! Congratulations
Well done Fred that’s awesome 👏
What a great ride from young Fred!!
Amazing, well done Fred what an impressive ride !!
Back in the day, narrow tires were very common. I still have some 20mm clincher tires. I have an old front wheel with a Comp 19 still glued on it. I even have an old Vittoria CS18 that I used for TT's.
Well done Ollie. A very classy and substantive production.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fantastic ride Fred! I will put the negative split thing to a test in tomorrow‘s FTP test. I hope this does not only work for time trialists.
good luck!
@@gcntech Slightly disappointing result. I‘m just not made for these 10-20min efforts. 1.5 minutes full gas is no problem, 5 hours zone 2 is no problem but anything around FTP is just a mess. We did not have a video on rider types and how you can overcome your limits at least a bit for some time. Maybe as a follow up on Ollies 1000w challenge?
Congratulations from the States! Good job!!
Chapeau! 🤯 Good job kid!!! Bravo
Nice one Fred! Bigham is a legend
What a kid. Well done Fred!
17? I've got three bikes older than him. 😉 Great job, Fred!
Ooh Argon18. Great Job Fred!
I don't think I can even push that gear.
What caused the blowout?
Also at what temperature would the heat start slowing the cyclist?
We're getting a velodrome here soon and we average 30°C, it can get to 35 in the afternoon, probably even hotter on the inside of the velodrome, would that start to slow the cyclist down from overheating? Or would the thinner air provide more of an advantage?
Blow out was the wheel twisted in the start as I went out the gate, rubbing on the frame till it wore through. That will be too hot really. You want it about 25 deg
@@fredmeredith2452 OMG IT'S YOU!!!!!
Thanks for the explanation and the awesome video.
Congrats on the record!
05:56 - saw many times before, but what is that device(?) on Ollie's whrist?
Just fantastic to watch this.
Congrats and great ride Fred.
Smashed it, Fred 👏🏻👏🏻
That was a brilliant watch.
3:24 depending on if the setup is a closed ensamble or not, that statement can be wrong for most of the time
Great story and very well done to the new record holder. It would have been good to have actually said the distance recorded on the programme that beat the hour record.
Fred completed a distance of 49.184km!
What an effort! Good lad
How is this kid not getting a bike sponsorship by British cycling? Where are these bodies when you need them? It shouldn’t be the case a young lad should be squabbling around to get the parts to get the best chance at the record!
Way to go Fred!!
Truly amazing!
Well done Fred, awesome effort! Did he beat Ollie's distance though..... 🤔
he did!
GCN curse is officially over thanks to Fred!
Well done Fred and 😃💯👌🏿👏👍
Cracking Ride Fred!!
If he did if with the blue bike in the background that would amazing 🤩. Good lad
Congrats!
4:33 7:43 That's pretty high gearing isn't it? Are they not restricted to junior track gearing?
U/17 is is last age group to have restricted gearing
@@matthewmorrell5571 I am old enough to remember when the ancient Amateur Bicycle League of America (pre-USCF/USA Cycling) used to restrict the junior class (15 to 18 year olds) to 88 gear inches (52x16) even on the ROAD, let alone the track! ;)
LEGEND!
great work!
crazy to think what young athletes are capable of these times ... like l'm 22 and junior pros could have destroyed me without effort when l was racing
It’s usually kids who were born into a wealthy family and their dad rode in the Tour de France that are super fit
@M M you underestimate how much money can influence your success in any sport. Genetics play such a small part
@M M that’s the difference, there is a lot of those naturally gifted athletes, but for one reason or another they don’t get into the sport at a high level simply because they can’t afford to go to races or even out of their country. If a kid has all those factors you listed that you can get with money, that kid would be labeled as “the gifted” kid. And genetics doesn’t play a big role in cycling, it’s all about the person and how much they train their whole life
@M M Yes I'm exactly saying that every successful junior who is rocking the 10,000 bikes and tt bike at his disposal is rich and gifted. Not the top athletes in the TDF. But whenever I see these "gifted" juniors. They're always white rich Europeans who had a dad in the TDF or a pro race and funds their kid's cycling career like crazy.
It's no coincidence you don't see the poor athletes spring up at the junior level, they only appear at the later stages because they fought through the ranks in their country when they finally got access to real coaching and equipment.
My argument was about junior riders if you give a kid TDF level coaching, diet tips, a routine, and a crazy expensive bike. No shit the kid will be some "gifted" athlete. That's my main argument here
Honestly, do you think the kid in this video is one of those poor athletes who had a zero to hero story like some in the pro peloton? The kid is able to rent out a god damn velodrome and has an excellent Track bike with telemetry data. Who the fuck is under 18 and can afford this
Awesome ride!
I wonder, Sam Long rode 49.5 km/h at clash endurance Miami, how does that compare to this?
No gears, drafting, wind, head unit, opponents. UCI compliant bike.
Amazing rider!
chapeau Fred well done
It would of been nice if you had told us what Fred’s distance was at the end of the record, other than just saying he broke the record! By how much, etc? TIA
49.184km!
grats fred!
Well done Fred!
Nice one, congratulations.
What was his distance? And what was the previous records distance?
Final distance 49.184km. Previous record 48.480
@@fredmeredith2452 Beat it by a good margin then! Great ride!
Congratulations to Fred!
On a sidenote, I believe Oliver would go to college after this either. Otherwise he would not get this degree.
Time to make a new video! Jonas Walton broke the junior world record!
Whats the avarage speed holy crap
Brilliant, amazing effort, well done Fred, I never knew Ollie had done an hour record too... glad he mentioned it ; ) #askgcn what are the foam rectangular 'sausages' for that are placed on the curves of the cote d'azure?? What purpose do they serve?
It's to prevent the cutting of corners without being a danger to the ride/riders
Oliver “Did you know I did an hour record?” Bridgewood
thummy for freddie!
Maybe I change my name to Fred or Fredy and call GCN so I can do amazing things :)
It does seem to be a pattern
Super!
Hes basically living my dream ;-;, My dream is to become a track racer. I really wanna know how it feels to be in the velodrome
Absolute LAD! Congratulations to him, and the team behind the effort!
@GCNTech what is this all about?
Ollie, I presume that denser air is easier to get oxygen. Is there an ideal point for air density to maximize oxygen and minimize air resistance?
There probably is a crossover point but I think it's really quite thin. The men's hour record was done in Mexico at altitude for this reason, as was Dowsetts recent attempt and they still want high temps and a low pressure day even up there.
I've often wondered about this - I'm fairly sure the density only has a linear effect on drag (ie it's not squared or anything - if you increase density by say 10% it should only increase drag force & hence required power by 10% for a given speed). Similarly there should be a linear relationship between density and the amount of oxygen you can take in - so surely they should cancel each other out?
I mean I'm sure there's a reason the pros favour Aguascalientes but I just can't figure out how it works...
@@The1trueDave Could be. When Ollie started talking about atmospheric drag, I remembered a prior video dealing with performance drop off at high altitude. Now, "low pressure" at or near sea level probably ain't all that low, so I may be quibbling over nothing significant. But if oxygen is not relevant, why not build a track on top of Everest?
It's a balancing act. At lower altitude, you can breathe in more oxygen and produce more power, but at higher altitude, you don't actually need to produce as much power to travel the same speed because the air resistance is so much lower. People much smarter than us crunched the numbers to try and find the optimum altitude for travelling at hour record pace, leading to riders like Campenaerts and Dowsett attempting the record at Aguascalientes in Mexico, close to 2,000 meters above sea level
@@gcntech Is it something to do with maybe breathing in more oxygen than you can use at sea level, so let's say you only use 90% of what you breathe in, but at higher altitude you don't have that surplus? That would then skew the calculation in favour of higher altitude... maybe...?
Is 4k in 4 minutes not world record pace for Ip?
Great video Ollie….. FairPlay to ye for giving it a lash!! Just one question with better Tech out there now Ollie could you do a better hour record not too?
I just beat my record for going 53kph on a bike 12
What's this? No GCN Curse?! 🤯
If they only use the bars for one lap. Can't they make it fold down like they do on Bob sleds.
Well in Freddy mereddy
Why can’t they make the lowest grip retractable? I think is would save some drag.
The UCI would NEVER EVER go for/allow that.
I mean they ban SOCKS for being too 'aero'. LOL
Movable mechanisms are fragile unless they are overdesigned, in which case they are heavy. Less moving parts = more reliable.
It's not fair of gcn to curse this poor kids record attempt.
4:42 it is mentally hard, 13:36 it is mentally easier.
I think youtube does not allow sending a message above but I'll try.
Ollie, dropped by 6 laps by a 17 year old.... does this ever end?
As Ollie said, rule 28 socks fall down. They are bad socks with bad customer support. They didn’t help with my issue. Never again
Theve been perfect with me and we’re a massive help in the hour prep
It's just me or he is wearing Slovenian national jersey
haha! It does look pretty similar
Fred ur famous now
Campy wheels are still quicker tho
If I could beat the hour record having to wear that poc helmet I wouldn't do it. It's like having to ride without pants. In a busy city. With all your friends and family watching.
There is something upsetting about referring to a track bike as a "fixie".
Cyclocross World Cup to win is harder
Nice Video Ollie, The real question is, "What were you really doing when your were 17????"
Not breaking the hour record, that's for sure!
@@gcntech 😂😂😂😂
Hi Fred 😏
Hey dad
Hi GCN Tech crew..... Please check out my post below....... there was a reply from yourselves?....Or is it spam?
No spare wheelset??...
There was, if you look my rear disc changed colour ;)
@@fredmeredith2452 ahhhhh okay the way Ollie was talking made it sound like they had to change the Tub on the same wheel 😂
National Velodrome of Whales?
A Junior-Hour is still 60 seconds, right?🤣🤣🤣
If Fred has left nothing to chance on beating the Hour Record. Why I GCN there. Don't you have the reputation of the GCN Kiss of Death?
1st?