This was a great video for me, not because of the ball, but because you had so much to say about the why, why not, when, how and what ifs of bowling. That's the main reason I watch your videos Chris. You're my favourite walking/talking bowling technician, and I mean that in the nicest possible way. Learned a LOT from this one. Thanks!
great ball review, not just a strikes compilation followed by "cool ball go buy now". I learned this ball is probably not ideal for my situation, will love to see many more review from you.
Very informative review. Back during the 80's everyone threw urethane on tour and in league, how were the oil patterns in league different that urethane was a good choice compared to today's house shots where it is not?
Simple: back then, house shots weren't as cliffed as they are today, because urethane balls didn't chew through oil the way resin does. Enter resin which ripped oil off the lanes and the tug of war between ball and lane oil began, resulting in the "modern" super cliffed house shot.
I've found that at a house where the synthetics are the original pro anvils and are 30+ years old, and with a longer house pattern with lighter volume overall, game 2 gives me a much better look with urethane than with reactive, especially the IQ|U (3000 grit because it needs to get through the beat up fronts). The pattern tends to tighten down lane because everyone starts so far left because the fronts are beat up after years of wear and tear and they just create a tough over under shape. Urethane lets me bump to the right and firm up my speed to just control the pocket instead of trying to play left to right where a miss right or getting slow is a high split, a miss left or getting fast is a light split, and hitting your target perfectly results in a lot of weak 10's. The other house which has old synthetics are softer but the pattern is also shorter. That combo makes reactive the go to because everything hooks too early and it just carries better than urethane.
That one needed to be on a short pattern or something medium flat. I commend Chris for the effort. You could see right away that pitch black is softer. I do see this being used 1st, maybe 2nd game on tour. I just don't know how long people can stay in it... Chris touched on the Rev rate aspect of things... ect...
Awesome video big fan of the channel. I have a question I throw urethane in my league that is on old wood and on second shift of the night and I have the softer urethane balls and I am looking into a new urethane balls would this be a good ball for a speed dominant lefty up the boards and I hit the ball at the bottom of every swing. Thank you for taking the time to read this
From the information we have, it is real traditional urethane. I think ive seen the video you are referring to, and I found it interesting as well. I think there is a lot of conflicting information in the industry
Another good video Barnzy. I like using urethane on a fresh THS to get a feel for the lane condition before moving into my Reactive pieces. So far, it has been working out for me. Thanks for the PB comparison.
I'm not a Big urethane fan ,I'm still having good luck with my Gem ,then the burner pearl , , pin Down , what do the professionals say about bowling on string bowling,Do you lose all that great pin action ,?
99.99999999999999999999999999999 percent of the time it's whose hands the ball is in. If I went and bowled any pro event and we all used the same balls, the leaders on tour, would still rule the top 20 of that tournament!!
my question was in the do those type of new version of urethane balls would it still drag oil instead of observe like reactive it looks like yes because urethane balls can help an oil pattern get easier if you use it long enough at the right time like on Don Carter for example which I would do or some bowlers use it on short patterns though I don't on short patterns like my very favorite pattern which is the Viper pattern so that I can just throw it hard and straight out as possible which I like to do on patterns like that I’ll have to get that ball to replace the illegal pitch black ball if I can ask you Chris which is your very favorite oil pattern that's not house
Have less angle. For example, 10 at arrow, 10 at the breakpoint. This is in front of you. Rather than a more typical house shot like of 15 at arrows to 6 at break point
Great video, couldn't care less about the ball, but great tutorial on where to stand, look etc, and seeing what the balls do from there, tired of watching new balls strike over and over again tells me nothing. 😁😁😁
I'm sending this to all the major TH-cam bowling bowlers if any of you can get Osku Palermaa to bowl an entire game throwing it like a race car like he does that would be awesome
Being urethane I wonder how many storm pros are going to be under strict scrutiny when hanging on to earlier versions of this ball during the tour season.
That’s cool. Didn’t know that. I feel like the whole reason why the hardness issue ever came about was because older bowling balls were softer. I assumed with age the balls get softer and players were complaining about the disadvantage they had. But I suppose you’re saying that older balls were made softer?
@@hersheyskwertz9315 Darren Tang has a video about this ball explaining why 78. You are right in that over time they become softer. They drop on avg of 5 points with the amount of use the pros put them through. That said this ball looks like the old Urethanes from the 80s n 90s. Should make tv shows a bit more interesting.
I'm one of those weirdos that throws a urethane(Pitch Black) on a house shot in league and bowls over 200 pretty much every time, sometimes over 250. I'd say I'm going to continue to do it, haha.
I do too haha. I'm in a pretty high friction house and I am a rev dominant 2H so I shape it a little bit and have plenty of shim left and bounce right.
Yes it for sure does because older urethane used to be 73 hardness and would get softer overtime and leading to more hook that’s why PBA only now allows urethane that is 78 hardness
This was a great video for me, not because of the ball, but because you had so much to say about the why, why not, when, how and what ifs of bowling. That's the main reason I watch your videos Chris. You're my favourite walking/talking bowling technician, and I mean that in the nicest possible way. Learned a LOT from this one. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it! Keep watching !
great ball review, not just a strikes compilation followed by "cool ball go buy now". I learned this ball is probably not ideal for my situation, will love to see many more review from you.
These ball reviews are amazing. Love how your showing how you line up now to. You guys do the best ball reviews out there
It's a good looking ball. It gives off Red Hammer, Whine U-Dot vibes from back in the day.
One of the best reviews I've seen in a while. Great comparisons and explanations.
Very informative review.
Back during the 80's everyone threw urethane on tour and in league, how were the oil patterns in league different that urethane was a good choice compared to today's house shots where it is not?
Simple: back then, house shots weren't as cliffed as they are today, because urethane balls didn't chew through oil the way resin does. Enter resin which
ripped oil off the lanes and the tug of war between ball and lane oil began, resulting in the "modern"
super cliffed house shot.
I've found that at a house where the synthetics are the original pro anvils and are 30+ years old, and with a longer house pattern with lighter volume overall, game 2 gives me a much better look with urethane than with reactive, especially the IQ|U (3000 grit because it needs to get through the beat up fronts). The pattern tends to tighten down lane because everyone starts so far left because the fronts are beat up after years of wear and tear and they just create a tough over under shape. Urethane lets me bump to the right and firm up my speed to just control the pocket instead of trying to play left to right where a miss right or getting slow is a high split, a miss left or getting fast is a light split, and hitting your target perfectly results in a lot of weak 10's.
The other house which has old synthetics are softer but the pattern is also shorter. That combo makes reactive the go to because everything hooks too early and it just carries better than urethane.
That one needed to be on a short pattern or something medium flat. I commend Chris for the effort. You could see right away that pitch black is softer. I do see this being used 1st, maybe 2nd game on tour. I just don't know how long people can stay in it... Chris touched on the Rev rate aspect of things... ect...
Awesome video big fan of the channel. I have a question I throw urethane in my league that is on old wood and on second shift of the night and I have the softer urethane balls and I am looking into a new urethane balls would this be a good ball for a speed dominant lefty up the boards and I hit the ball at the bottom of every swing. Thank you for taking the time to read this
I’m totally confused now. There is another video released just two weeks ago where the guy says the. IQ Tour is not real urethane.
From the information we have, it is real traditional urethane. I think ive seen the video you are referring to, and I found it interesting as well. I think there is a lot of conflicting information in the industry
Another good video Barnzy. I like using urethane on a fresh THS to get a feel for the lane condition before moving into my Reactive pieces. So far, it has been working out for me. Thanks for the PB comparison.
Going to be really interesting this year. The big question is will the guys that were dependent on the purple hammer be able to stay competitive.
I'm not a Big urethane fan ,I'm still having good luck with my Gem ,then the burner pearl , , pin Down , what do the professionals say about bowling on string bowling,Do you lose all that great pin action ,?
99.99999999999999999999999999999 percent of the time it's whose hands the ball is in. If I went and bowled any pro event and we all used the same balls, the leaders on tour, would still rule the top 20 of that tournament!!
my question was in the do those type of new version of urethane balls would it still drag oil instead of observe like reactive it looks like yes because urethane balls can help an oil pattern get easier if you use it long enough at the right time like on Don Carter for example which I would do or some bowlers use it on short patterns though I don't on short patterns like my very favorite pattern which is the Viper pattern so that I can just throw it hard and straight out as possible which I like to do on patterns like that I’ll have to get that ball to replace the illegal pitch black ball if I can ask you Chris which is your very favorite oil pattern that's not house
Thank you for making this amazing video about bowling ball
Your second shot on our house shot would have hung and never came back. Out of bounds suck for an amateur
Chris. When you say they want to "keep their angles in front of them" what exactly does that mean? Thanks!
Have less angle. For example, 10 at arrow, 10 at the breakpoint. This is in front of you. Rather than a more typical house shot like of 15 at arrows to 6 at break point
Thanks! @@BeefandBarnzy
Great video, couldn't care less about the ball, but great tutorial on where to stand, look etc, and seeing what the balls do from there, tired of watching new balls strike over and over again tells me nothing. 😁😁😁
The real question is how is the Cluckin Chicken Sandwich there?
I'm sending this to all the major TH-cam bowling bowlers
if any of you can get Osku Palermaa to bowl an entire game throwing it like a race car like he does
that would be awesome
Cant wait to see all of the 2-10s and buckets in league with this gem. lol
not a fair comparison ball is new, older stuff has oil soaked into ball wait
till ball has been used a bit and it will calm down.
Being urethane I wonder how many storm pros are going to be under strict scrutiny when hanging on to earlier versions of this ball during the tour season.
Long as the ball was MANUFACTURED with 78 hardness (read the rule) it shouldn't matter.
That’s cool. Didn’t know that. I feel like the whole reason why the hardness issue ever came about was because older bowling balls were softer. I assumed with age the balls get softer and players were complaining about the disadvantage they had. But I suppose you’re saying that older balls were made softer?
@@hersheyskwertz9315 Darren Tang has a video about this ball explaining why 78. You are right in that over time they become softer. They drop on avg of 5 points with the amount of use the pros put them through. That said this ball looks like the old Urethanes from the 80s n 90s. Should make tv shows a bit more interesting.
I'm one of those weirdos that throws a urethane(Pitch Black) on a house shot in league and bowls over 200 pretty much every time, sometimes over 250. I'd say I'm going to continue to do it, haha.
I do too haha. I'm in a pretty high friction house and I am a rev dominant 2H so I shape it a little bit and have plenty of shim left and bounce right.
I’m wondering if storm products is going to create an asymmetric urethane ball.
Like the Hot Mess... I mean Hot Cell?
I think something better than that.
What was the layout on the 78U?
Chris, did you ever throw the old Ultimate weapon urethane?
I did! That was a great ball
How about when bowl on house shot that is dry there's no hold
Urethane isn't really great on dry lanes. More about controlling the breakpoint on fresh lanes or shorter patterns
Barnes been eating GOOD.
I don’t like urethane either I prefer like a look of a tour dynam-x.
Wow !Q Tour is looking very good and very strong
I just asked my girlfriend and she said yes, hardness matters.
🤦
That doesn’t sound good if you have to ask her? Lol
😂
Now put it in the ball spinner and polish it up!!!!!
No Urathane for me
lol.....the title is great.
wow
Does hardness make a difference? Giggity.
Yes it for sure does because older urethane used to be 73 hardness and would get softer overtime and leading to more hook that’s why PBA only now allows urethane that is 78 hardness
Look bowling is dead and still dying more every year
Just got it this ball sucks on house shot. Wish I saved my money