Had a fitting for the Paradym🔸🔸🔸and the G430 LST earlier this year! While the Callaway was huge, if I lost it I couldn’t keep it on the planet! The Ping was the one that ticked ALL the boxes for dispersion, flight and length! First game out with it, didn’t miss a fairway and continues to perform! Guess it was the right choice!!
You made a good point. In the studio, you can hit ball after ball and get into a groove. On the course, you hit your tee shot, then an iron or two, then a putt or two, Then maybe a par three and no driver, You only get 14 or 15 non consecutive drives. So I go for consistency over distance
I like the Ping looks. Matte finish is nice. No issue with turbulators. I don’t even really notice them. I still have a G400 Max. Now the G400 Max isn’t super long, but it’s locked into the fairway for sure. Wouldn’t mind trying out an LST but I’m not spending $600 on a driver. I may use the driver 12 times a round. I putt twice that amount. Makes more sense to get the putter that you really have confidence in and make putts with. Then get a wedge that you know you can chip with. Those 2 clubs far outweigh the benefits of getting a driver that goes 10 yds farther.
G425 LST. Tried the G430 this year after getting fitted for the previous LST a while back, performance gains were near zero but it sounded more like the competition... You can still get custom fit for a g425 most places. I'm not the best golfer, kind of a baseball swing that over draws from time to time, the Max didn't help that the LST is actually a consistent fairway finder for me lol. You can probably get a G425 LST with a premium shaft and still walk out the door spending less than the new model.
A few years ago I was gaming the Epic Flash and put it in a head to head against the G425 when it came out. While my distances were about the same, the G425 dispersion was so much tighter. Fast forward to about a month ago. I won a free driver fitting at a local shop. We saw my G425 numbers and found that I had too much spin. I ended hitting the G430 LST, Paradigm triple diamond, & Titleist TSR3 - all fitted with a Ventus blue shaft. Long story short, my best numbers and dispersion were with the G430 LST and I've got a new driver in the bag.
The bast driver you can get is the one you feel most confident with, there’s nothing worse in golf than standing at the tee hoping you will find the ball before you’ve even hit it.
Love both - played Epic, Rogue & now Paradym as well as g400, g410 & g425. Paradym is the best I've ever had. I'm now down from 22 HCP to 16/17. Slower swing speed at 90 mph getting 230-260 off my standard Paradym, A lot is about Sound, matt vs shiny, looks (turbulators or not) & consistency/dispersion vs distance for me. My Paradym with the 50g Blue Kai'li shaft looks superb. Can't go wrong with either driver though. I hit fairways 90% of time with it so perfect for me.
90 mph X 2,4 = Average 216 is your carry . This is a mathematical formula to get the carry ( distance ) with a driver . So I tend to be very sceptical about your personal story. Plus hitting fairways at 90% of the time as per PGA historical data is for a player having a score in the low 70´s. Have great day in the country of Unicorns
I got fitted for a new driver and I have the Ping 430 max. I love it and now i average hitting 11 to 13 fairways a round. I much prefer playing out of the fairway rather than the rough or trees.
I recently got fitted for the Paradym over the G430 and I love it. Most forgiving driver I’ve ever played. Hit a draw down the middle about 80% of the time.
Thanks James, From my experience of briefly playing a Titleist low spinning driver, the low spinning drivers are just not forgiving. As soon as I went back to a more forgiving model my driving improved immediately.
@@hurpaderpp as my fitter explained to me, a big aspect of forgiveness aside from out-of-center strikes is sidespin counter action. More backspin counters sidespin better, bringing those hooks and slices in more. If your face-to-path is inconsistent, having a bit more backspin might help you (again, according to the person who fit me this year for driver, could be a load of bs for all I know lol).
@@hurpaderpp no doubt. Fixing a bad swing is better than putting band aids on it for sure. At the time of my fitting, I was fighting the hook and ended up in a G430 max. Three months later, I’m hitting laser beams down the fairway and wanting to give the LST another try. But who knows what next month will bring lol. Hit ‘em well!
Great comparison James but the important aspect is dispersion as well as distance. If you are not consistent then distance doesn’t mean better. Take the PXG challenge and test against the Gen 6 against your gamer. Should be interesting.
I had the G430 LST at the start of the year and loved it, but then got recommended a PXG 0211 and couldn't believe how good it was (I had a feeling from some of your videos too) especially for the price
@@rynolindz it sits so well behind the ball that it gives you confidence before even swinging. Another reason why I changed from the Ping, less bulges to distract you lol
The trees are full of big hitters. Pick a driver and shaft comb that you can hit fairways with consistently. The Ping G430 LST did it for me, but it really comes down to personal preference. Most all equipment now is pretty good.
I’ve just bought myself an LST and it’s amazing!! I hit every fairway with it and it goes like a rocket. It was a toss up between the Callaway and ping and the ping just won! It looks and feels amazing!
@@stevenc9207 played 3 rounds with it and each time my drive has ended up in the fairway using it. No exaggeration at all. Not every hole requires a driver so not counting those or par 3s.
went and got the G430 3wood with the hazardous Red in stiff... i smash low line drives with this club off the deck or off a low tee. Makes me wanna try to driver.
I’ve got the 430LST with Kai li white 60 S and I feel it’s as forgiving a driver as any max head I’ve used but with a little extra distance. Absolutely love this driver!!!
I know a fair bit of your content is club reviews, but I can't help wondering if all this chopping and changing of clubs is harming your game. I have to say I much prefer the Callaway over the Ping in terms of looks.
TSR2 WAY MORE FORGIVING AND JUST AS LONG AND LOW SPIN...i had tsr2 then shaft broke, bought 430lst, it was ehhh with several shafts, loved the look. then cobra aero ls palm tree, best looking driver ever...but ultimately it was too fade bias for me. tsr2 back in the bag....cap dropped from 4-2 with only changing to tsr2....
I brought the paradym and realized after a couple of weeks that my Rogue ST max actually sounds and performs much better. The epic LS and rogue max are amazing drivers
Paradym is the better looking club, no contest. Really comes down to the fit for the individual. My fit was neither of these two, but a TSR2. My son fitted to the Paradym driver and triple diamond 3-wood. Money for him. Don’t know anybody local to me that’s been ‘best fit’ for the Ping. Seems all the better local players have fitted Paradym or TSR3. Different fitters for them all.
Played the g430 lst and standard paradym this year. Standard paradym is great but too high spin for me. Lst is very good however, I get better spin and forgiveness w tsr2
I would like to see you continue the test and use different balls at the same time. Im interested to see distances each club hits a certain ball. You used a TP5 or 5X. You should also use a CHROME SOFT and a PRO V1 and hit a few. That would be some very useful data.
Out of all the low spin drivers this year, I personally found the lst to be the least forgiving, and the tsr3 the most. Spin consistency with the ping was shocking
@James_Robinson_Golf1 strange I know given the fact it’s the highest moi out of the LS drivers, but just couldn’t get on with it. Spin for me was too low off the toe (causing hooky dippers) and too high off low and heel strikes. I compared most of the latest drivers head to head on quad on numerous occasions and tsr3 was always winning on maintaining ball speed (also the highest) and spin consistency. TD was quite forgiving also, and was always a close second.
I have a callaway rogue st max LS with a project x cypher shaft and I’m spinning the ball way to much but idk if it’s shaft change or if I need to get fitted for a new driver I was fitted rogue but I really like the paradym I’m huge callaway fan thé triple diamond is monster and I’m wondering how it compares in forgiveness
To the average golfer (high handicapper or just occasional social player), does the newest driver with all the bells and whistles lead to better distance or at least a substantial difference to older model clubs? I have a 10 year old Adams driver and a 4 year old Cobra driver and took them to a golf store the other day to see if there's a difference in performance to some of the newer models (not the aerojets and stealths, more mid price drivers) and for me (with a swing speed of around 95mph, there was basically a difference of a few metres in the simulator for me.
At that club speed (you are not slow) and a 4 year old driver, no you probably won’t notice much difference. I honestly think technology maxed out and drivers are basically as far and as forgiving as they can get the past 5 years. No need to upgrade
Distance is overrated. It's nice but not the be all and end all. Being in play and being able to keep it in play when you're not swinging well is the most important. I went with the ping G430 for just that reason. I tested several drivers and it just kept it in play. Not the longest but in play.
Man I could listen to the sound of well-struck driver after well-struck driver all day. Trust me James, play about 4 rounds with the G430 LST and you won't even see the turdulators anymore.
Golf is not about the best shots we hit. As everyone can hit great shots, it’s about making the shit ones less shit and less often. Keeping it in play will score better and win more matches. Would rather hit 14decent drives in play, rather than 2 great, 10 ok and 2 lost balls. Therefore, for me slightly more forgiveness wins every time.
You"ll need your best stuff if you want to beat James Wiltshire bro!! nice vlog, dont you think the bloke holding the bloody thing is responsible or does the driver make really make a difference??
The Ping just looks terrible imo other than confidence inspiring size. I still think the best all round looking and performing driver this year is the Carbon Wilson.
These comparisons and the ball comparisons should be done in your simulator. Let’s see REAL numbers to make a better comparison. Instead of oh this ball is here and that one is there. You have the capabilities to give us REAL numbers! Give us the REAL numbers!
Had a fitting for the Paradym🔸🔸🔸and the G430 LST earlier this year! While the Callaway was huge, if I lost it I couldn’t keep it on the planet! The Ping was the one that ticked ALL the boxes for dispersion, flight and length! First game out with it, didn’t miss a fairway and continues to perform! Guess it was the right choice!!
You made a good point. In the studio, you can hit ball after ball and get into a groove. On the course, you hit your tee shot, then an iron or two, then a putt or two, Then maybe a par three and no driver, You only get 14 or 15 non consecutive drives. So I go for consistency over distance
I like the Ping looks. Matte finish is nice. No issue with turbulators. I don’t even really notice them. I still have a G400 Max. Now the G400 Max isn’t super long, but it’s locked into the fairway for sure. Wouldn’t mind trying out an LST but I’m not spending $600 on a driver. I may use the driver 12 times a round. I putt twice that amount. Makes more sense to get the putter that you really have confidence in and make putts with. Then get a wedge that you know you can chip with. Those 2 clubs far outweigh the benefits of getting a driver that goes 10 yds farther.
I still game the g400 max...not worth the cash for a few more yards
G425 LST. Tried the G430 this year after getting fitted for the previous LST a while back, performance gains were near zero but it sounded more like the competition... You can still get custom fit for a g425 most places. I'm not the best golfer, kind of a baseball swing that over draws from time to time, the Max didn't help that the LST is actually a consistent fairway finder for me lol. You can probably get a G425 LST with a premium shaft and still walk out the door spending less than the new model.
@@jekiewicz g425 sounds horrible
A few years ago I was gaming the Epic Flash and put it in a head to head against the G425 when it came out. While my distances were about the same, the G425 dispersion was so much tighter. Fast forward to about a month ago. I won a free driver fitting at a local shop. We saw my G425 numbers and found that I had too much spin. I ended hitting the G430 LST, Paradigm triple diamond, & Titleist TSR3 - all fitted with a Ventus blue shaft. Long story short, my best numbers and dispersion were with the G430 LST and I've got a new driver in the bag.
"Longest ever made" yet both drivers were early exits in every YT driver bracket, they're good but not longest, ease up on your titles JR....
I’ve got the LST very forgiving for a low spin driver
I tried both of these 2 weeks ago, along with the Stealth 2 and Wilson. All very nice but I ended buying the cobra Aerojet, worked best for me.
The bast driver you can get is the one you feel most confident with, there’s nothing worse in golf than standing at the tee hoping you will find the ball before you’ve even hit it.
Love both - played Epic, Rogue & now Paradym as well as g400, g410 & g425. Paradym is the best I've ever had. I'm now down from 22 HCP to 16/17. Slower swing speed at 90 mph getting 230-260 off my standard Paradym, A lot is about Sound, matt vs shiny, looks (turbulators or not) & consistency/dispersion vs distance for me. My Paradym with the 50g Blue Kai'li shaft looks superb. Can't go wrong with either driver though. I hit fairways 90% of time with it so perfect for me.
That’s a lot of drivers 😳
@@ShaunY1988 relearning golf after cancer & strokes so trying to find best fit
90 mph X 2,4 = Average 216 is your carry . This is a mathematical formula to get the carry ( distance ) with a driver . So I tend to be very sceptical about your personal story.
Plus hitting fairways at 90% of the time as per PGA historical data is for a player having a score in the low 70´s.
Have great day in the country of Unicorns
@@aliasErEfyour choice
Awesome drives James. I’ve recently bought a Wison titanium after a fitting. For the money it’s working well for me as a 19 handicap.
If you let me choose any driver, I’ll take the Ping G430. But I play a PXG because of the price. 💰
I got fitted for a new driver and I have the Ping 430 max. I love it and now i average hitting 11 to 13 fairways a round. I much prefer playing out of the fairway rather than the rough or trees.
I recently got fitted for the Paradym over the G430 and I love it. Most forgiving driver I’ve ever played. Hit a draw down the middle about 80% of the time.
Thanks James, From my experience of briefly playing a Titleist low spinning driver, the low spinning drivers are just not forgiving. As soon as I went back to a more forgiving model my driving improved immediately.
interesting because these two drivers are considered extremely forgiving.
@@hurpaderpp as my fitter explained to me, a big aspect of forgiveness aside from out-of-center strikes is sidespin counter action. More backspin counters sidespin better, bringing those hooks and slices in more. If your face-to-path is inconsistent, having a bit more backspin might help you (again, according to the person who fit me this year for driver, could be a load of bs for all I know lol).
@@kennethbnorris yea thats true. basically upping loft will help reduce side spin. But its really just a bandaid fix for a bad swing
@@hurpaderpp no doubt. Fixing a bad swing is better than putting band aids on it for sure. At the time of my fitting, I was fighting the hook and ended up in a G430 max. Three months later, I’m hitting laser beams down the fairway and wanting to give the LST another try. But who knows what next month will bring lol. Hit ‘em well!
Great comparison James but the important aspect is dispersion as well as distance. If you are not consistent then distance doesn’t mean better. Take the PXG challenge and test against the Gen 6 against your gamer. Should be interesting.
I had the G430 LST at the start of the year and loved it, but then got recommended a PXG 0211 and couldn't believe how good it was (I had a feeling from some of your videos too) especially for the price
Yup the PXG 0211 is really a good driver.. Under talked about for a reason.. :) Glad you found it!
@@rynolindz it sits so well behind the ball that it gives you confidence before even swinging. Another reason why I changed from the Ping, less bulges to distract you lol
I've used both the Ping and Callaway drivers this year, and the longest for me consistently is the Cobra Aerojet LS
The trees are full of big hitters. Pick a driver and shaft comb that you can hit fairways with consistently. The Ping G430 LST did it for me, but it really comes down to personal preference. Most all equipment now is pretty good.
I’ve just bought myself an LST and it’s amazing!! I hit every fairway with it and it goes like a rocket. It was a toss up between the Callaway and ping and the ping just won! It looks and feels amazing!
The best tour players hit fairways like 70% somehow I think you're exaggerating instead of assessing
@@stevenc9207 played 3 rounds with it and each time my drive has ended up in the fairway using it. No exaggeration at all. Not every hole requires a driver so not counting those or par 3s.
A great comparison, I’d love you to use spray on the face to clearly show where the strikes are
went and got the G430 3wood with the hazardous Red in stiff... i smash low line drives with this club off the deck or off a low tee. Makes me wanna try to driver.
I've stopped watching when he said to himself " Come on nice big draw" and was more than happy when a fade came out...
I’ve got the 430LST with Kai li white 60 S and I feel it’s as forgiving a driver as any max head I’ve used but with a little extra distance. Absolutely love this driver!!!
I know a fair bit of your content is club reviews, but I can't help wondering if all this chopping and changing of clubs is harming your game. I have to say I much prefer the Callaway over the Ping in terms of looks.
Bought the G400 LST today and absolutely loved it
TSR2 WAY MORE FORGIVING AND JUST AS LONG AND LOW SPIN...i had tsr2 then shaft broke, bought 430lst, it was ehhh with several shafts, loved the look. then cobra aero ls palm tree, best looking driver ever...but ultimately it was too fade bias for me. tsr2 back in the bag....cap dropped from 4-2 with only changing to tsr2....
I brought the paradym and realized after a couple of weeks that my Rogue ST max actually sounds and performs much better. The epic LS and rogue max are amazing drivers
Paradym is the better looking club, no contest. Really comes down to the fit for the individual. My fit was neither of these two, but a TSR2. My son fitted to the Paradym driver and triple diamond 3-wood. Money for him. Don’t know anybody local to me that’s been ‘best fit’ for the Ping. Seems all the better local players have fitted Paradym or TSR3. Different fitters for them all.
Played the g430 lst and standard paradym this year. Standard paradym is great but too high spin for me. Lst is very good however, I get better spin and forgiveness w tsr2
Try lining it up more off the heel. I have noticed Wesley Bryan does that. Maybe it will help bring the strike more back to center.
I would like to see you continue the test and use different balls at the same time. Im interested to see distances each club hits a certain ball. You used a TP5 or 5X. You should also use a CHROME SOFT and a PRO V1 and hit a few. That would be some very useful data.
Out of all the low spin drivers this year, I personally found the lst to be the least forgiving, and the tsr3 the most. Spin consistency with the ping was shocking
@James_Robinson_Golf1 strange I know given the fact it’s the highest moi out of the LS drivers, but just couldn’t get on with it. Spin for me was too low off the toe (causing hooky dippers) and too high off low and heel strikes. I compared most of the latest drivers head to head on quad on numerous occasions and tsr3 was always winning on maintaining ball speed (also the highest) and spin consistency. TD was quite forgiving also, and was always a close second.
I have a callaway rogue st max LS with a project x cypher shaft and I’m spinning the ball way to much but idk if it’s shaft change or if I need to get fitted for a new driver I was fitted rogue but I really like the paradym I’m huge callaway fan thé triple diamond is monster and I’m wondering how it compares in forgiveness
Two very very good drivers
James, numbers are important love to know the clubs performance
6:53 „come on, James. Nice big draw“ proceeds to hit a baby fade „YEEES!“ 😂
Hahaha
@@JamesRobinsonGolf love the content man!
To the average golfer (high handicapper or just occasional social player), does the newest driver with all the bells and whistles lead to better distance or at least a substantial difference to older model clubs? I have a 10 year old Adams driver and a 4 year old Cobra driver and took them to a golf store the other day to see if there's a difference in performance to some of the newer models (not the aerojets and stealths, more mid price drivers) and for me (with a swing speed of around 95mph, there was basically a difference of a few metres in the simulator for me.
At that club speed (you are not slow) and a 4 year old driver, no you probably won’t notice much difference. I honestly think technology maxed out and drivers are basically as far and as forgiving as they can get the past 5 years. No need to upgrade
Nice one James 👍 😊
Distance is overrated. It's nice but not the be all and end all. Being in play and being able to keep it in play when you're not swinging well is the most important. I went with the ping G430 for just that reason. I tested several drivers and it just kept it in play. Not the longest but in play.
Man I could listen to the sound of well-struck driver after well-struck driver all day.
Trust me James, play about 4 rounds with the G430 LST and you won't even see the turdulators anymore.
What's the point of smashing it 300yards in you're in the trees etc, surely consistency of hitting fairways is better for us average golfers??
Excellent video. I guess it all boils down to the golfer.
Ping all day, one long drive does not make a round of golf... I use the G425 because it finds fairways simple as that.
I love mine
I d go for consistency over 5 extra yards every time.
Golf is not about the best shots we hit. As everyone can hit great shots, it’s about making the shit ones less shit and less often. Keeping it in play will score better and win more matches. Would rather hit 14decent drives in play, rather than 2 great, 10 ok and 2 lost balls. Therefore, for me slightly more forgiveness wins every time.
I reckon the normal paradym is for you Jimmy pls re test or try again mate
ive got the ping g430 max
I didn't know you could call a draw a pull cut lol
James, life always happens. You’ll find a happier middle ground shortly.
You"ll need your best stuff if you want to beat James Wiltshire bro!! nice vlog, dont you think the bloke holding the bloody thing is responsible or does the driver make really make a difference??
Both look awful IMO….the TSR2 seems to tick all the boxes
Callaway triple diamond 💎 💎 💎
More players on tour used titleist drivers . There must be something that the tour players know and the trophies say it all.
Paradym, hands down
G430 LST all day
Callaway definitely
Did I miss the "BRUTAL TRUTH!!!!!!!!" somewhere in this video??
Must be sponsored calawat
Chasing distance means chasing your ball in the trees…
Looks don't make the shot but that Callaway looks the dogs danglies ❤❤
But winner is TSR2
Paradym all day long
The lst is just as forgiving as the max
lol the problem is your swing, not the driver for sure
What was the brutal truth then?? That it’s not as long as the Paradym? Stop teasing us with these exciting titles!
Glad you enjoyed mate
Hard to witness $600 drivers coming with these crappy covers
A dirty sock would look as good
May I have the one you don't want?
Hi James, we’ve been getting a stack of scam replies.
The Ping just looks terrible imo other than confidence inspiring size. I still think the best all round looking and performing driver this year is the Carbon Wilson.
Ping
Hey, I suck at golf also. Irons, yeah, driver ….boo
These comparisons and the ball comparisons should be done in your simulator. Let’s see REAL numbers to make a better comparison. Instead of oh this ball is here and that one is there. You have the capabilities to give us REAL numbers! Give us the REAL numbers!
@James_Robinson_Golf1 sure scammer!
I like numbers as much as the next guy, but it doesn't get any more real than hitting them back to back on the course.