Humans, similarly to night elves, lost a lot of personality in the transition from W3 to WoW. A huge collection of diverse kingdoms, now forced to rebuild civilization in the foreign land of Kalimdor! But then Stormwind was magically rebuilt overnight and they became "USA but with castles". Sad.
The Human Kingdoms were supposed to struggle in their decline, a Tolkienian tragedy where hope is futile but paradoxically the most beautiful thing that inspires us in spite of certain doom. W3 had that melancholy, the best audio track is called "The Last Days of the Alliance". Human paladins in torn fabrics over battleworn armor wielding battered and cracked hammers on splintering handles is famously one of the artworks that inspire the spirit of the Alliance. It's almost a retelling of the Byzantine Empire's collapse. WoW sttempted to maintain the political intrigue and the "skeletons in the closet" but they fell off once they forced Varian as the Blue Warchief.
The USA with castles is a top notch description not gonna lie. The only European thing about them is the pseudo-Latin they speak and the writing system that vaguely resembles Nordic runes. And the fact that these two are smack dabbed together just shows that humans represent white americans, not specific blocks of European cultures. It would so cool for lorderon to be based on Byzantine/Slavic orthodox Christian aesthetics for example. Or even use cultures outside Europe.
Reminder that Cataclysm brought rumors of an 8th human kingdom, in the region that is now called the Burning Steppes. When the Dark Iron dwarves summoned Ragnaros, the area was utterly destroyed. The humans of Stormwind had to migrate from the Badlands through the Redridge mountains. This is where they encountered lions, which are represented in Stormwind's heraldry.
That was an interesting story that sadly never had any follow up on. Theramore had a lot of potential as a "new" human kingdom on Kalimdor. I really hate how they destroyed it before it got any meaningful development.
6:35 if tauren are specifically earth elemental descendants that would explain Xalathat's line about them, that they are rather resilient to corruption despite their origins. Would also explain why there were so many tauren in the Twilight Hammer's cult, and also would explain why so many powerful shamans are tauren specifically (like Kurog or Magatha)
I think the dragonflayer became dragonflayer after the meet-up with the djaradin. They met up the fire giants, King Ymiron survived, got home alone but with dragon eggs and new teachings, and started the whole dragonflayer thing.
The Uldaman Tome specifically shows Odyn telling his Keepers to keep the ‘advances of the Black Empire’ out of common knowledge. Now the Old Gods are responsible for the Curse of Flesh which afflicted the Titanborn, but it stands to reason that the Curse likewise could’ve afflicted the Elementals. We know that Protodrakes are evolved from the Firehawks, and now the hints are Tauren evolved from Earth Elementals or some other kind of Elemental. Void/Old Gods have been the source of literally ‘fleshy’ evolution for nearly all the Alliance core races. It might be tempering the Curse of Flesh with Order magic = regular people
I'm interested in the overlooked Drogbar from Legion and how they kind of seem related to primordial trolls. And just trolls in general as their genesis into the many subspecies we see today is fascinating. They're one of the few truly home-grown species Azeroth bore, seemingly not having been created or shaped by higher powers from jump, and yet are as highly malleable as the dragons.
@@ShadowWolfRising Several tribes, actually. Horde trolls are of the Darkspear and Shatterspear jungle troll tribes, and the Revantusk forest troll tribe.
with the amount of vrykul armor being added to the players it wouldn't surprise me Vrykuls would be playable race in the future. If they do become playable hopefully a rework of their player model.
For thoese who have read the day of the dragon novel and played war2 we know that the story of the 7 kingdom is awesome, they could sooooo much do a Games of Thron story about them... Please bring back my Kingdom of Alterac dam it!
It really is. Sadly Stormwind is the most boring of the 7 Kingdoms and was like the only one (minus Alterac perhaps) that was irrelevant to WC3. Blizz really squandered every chance they had to make Stormwind interesting.
@@Trollbane96 And Alterac with all the political plots around its downfall and after its fall was so much better than Stormwind will ever be...especially since writters are not able to treat humans with more serious than them being US soldiers...
That’s something WoW has always done pretty well. Racial Origin stories. Out of all of the playable races, the only origin story that we are missing (to my knowledge) is that of the Eredar. Draenei is just a name that means uncorrupted and Exodar obviously means Exodus, or exiled. But all of the other races have some sort of origin story. Subjects of evolution from elemental entities, curse of flesh titanforged, literally created by the titan keepers to populate and cultivate the world, etc. But Draenei are as much just Russian space goats as they are anything else. We know very little about how the Eredar came to be. My personal theory is that they are similar to the orcs or trolls, since there was no old gods on their planet and their home world was also a titan.
@@NubsWithGuns He means their origin as a species, which we know close to nothing about. We know zilch about what Argus was like before it was destroyed, much less their original society.
The Draenei are a shoddy race who's backstory is ridiculous (technology better than the Gnomes and magic easily rivaling Dalaran but manage to lose a war against boar men with spears).
I definitely want different theming to signify the different kinds of humans, I was ecstatic when Kultirans became playable for that reason, and from an RP aspect that would be amazing. I'd also like to see some more Vrykul themed human customisations / equipment.
@@Bunstonious Except that what you play when you play a "regular human" is a Stormwind human, it is whats written in the race description, hence why the heritage armor will be about stormwind
@@Bunstonious I think, we are coming to a "weird" point with the humans now, actually its "sad" but it feels like IF the Kingdom of humanity are NOT separate "races" like Kul tirans it wont get any cultural developpement in the lore I explained myself here, to me unless they do an actual allied race for the Alteraci humans we wont get any major cultural difference/developpement compared to the playable stormwind humans, this can be seen with the orcs, if you look at the orcs the whole idea and culture differences of each clans is innexistant regarding to the base orcs who came to only be well...orcs
One of the main things making humans less interesting is how they became bland good guys over time, along with the rest of the Alliance. Early on in Warcraft and through to the early years of WoW, there was lots of background of scheming nobles, peasant revolts, and different factions scraping against each other. As time went on, though, anyone morally dubious in the Alliance got scraped out and never got replaced. Not for lack of opportunity! The Alliance still has a secret police and is run largely by hereditary nobles, a wonderful combination. Nobody ever challenged the Kul Tirans about where they'd been while the Scourge or the Legion were invading. The social, political and economic consequences of the setting's constant wars and disasters are as glossed over as anyone - the only way the setting makes sense is if most people who die get resurrected, and then barely. I'm not asking for the Alliance to suddenly be full of cackling edgy villains, but it really has seemed like Blizzard has repeatedly, deliberately backed away from any opportunity for the Alliance to have any flaws and the potential interesting stories that would come with it, except occasionally when an entire city gets destroyed and then maybe one Alliance character gets to be a bit angry for an expansion or two. Yeah that's really some verisimilitude there, guys. Humans being the main characters of the Alliance most of the time, they get it the worst. I have hope they improve things, but not a lot of it.
I got plenty of human characters, and one of them is my Alliance main. It will be interesting to see Blizzard expand on the human lore, fill in the blanks between the cursed Vrykul and the rise of Arathor. I'm also curious if there's another connection with the Djaradin, beyond that Vrykul king who joined them.
clicked on this video as soon as i saw it. i’m someone who plays only worgen and forsaken because they’re just more interesting humans in my mind. i’d love for a reason to actually play a human!
I’ve been playing a human warrior since vanilla, and it’s awesome to have a series like this coming out. All of the human leveling zones are just stories of the towns or people of stormwind/ lordaeron/ scholomance / etc. The lore of wow is so rich !
Out of all the lore videos that mention galakrond, it seems like none of them mention one of the biggest hints found in gathering professions related to the story. As an herbalist you can get elemental reagents for crafting: air, frost, order…and decay. Decay is only found in one area, and to me it clearly points to Tyr’s failed experiment with galakrond. Decay is the offset of Order. It’s small but it fits.
Thank you Bellular and crew for the amazing content, you can tell how much you care about this just by the effort of creating your own story and putting things using real world and warcraft world together in comparison. Amazing work :)
So I've had this theory bouncing around in my head since Kul'Tirans entered WoW in BfA that they are more closely related to their Vykrul ancestors than other humans. Not only are they of larger build in both girth and height than most humans, but their affinity for seafaring and shamanistic beliefs through the Tidesages is more akin to Vykrul ways than Human. That is today that instead of evolving from those original Human clans, that Kul'Tirans are their own settlement of those cursed Dragonflayers that settled entirely separately from the core group in what is now Arathi and Tirsfal. Granted this is all based on real world migration theory which has little to no bearings on a fantasy setting, but it makes you wonder...
Kul Tiras was founded by Gilnean settlers. Upon discovering the new land, they ended up at war with the native Drust, another Vrykul off- shoot that combined druidism with death magic. The Kul Tirans were ultimately victorious, but some of the Drust joined Kul Tiran society. A popular theory is the big and bulky Kul Tirans have Drust blood in their veins.
Love these type of videos mate, I vaguely knew about Tyr and human stuff... but when you put it like that, that was surprisingly detailed even though somewhat summarized. all n' all that was awesome!
This is the most interested I've been in WOW lore in years, I have been a human paladin as far back as I can remember so this is really fascinating to me. Thank you for making this video.
Still wondering why the Tauren mythology so specifically mentions "the sun and the moon", especially since the new Tuskarr stories mention the same. But, there are two moons in Azeroth, aren't there? There definitely is canonically two moons, yet for many years we only had one in game. Is all of that just a series of mistakes? or could it be hinting at something?
There was Alterac but Blizzard pretends they were never a thing since they show that Alliance v. Horde wasn't invented as the fantasy racism filled war they desperate insist on it being.
Wonder if they gonna tie this in to the old Azotha lore? Primordial/barbarian like humans who settled in Arathi fighting jungle trolls especially as hinted that primordial trolls was gonna be a part of dragonflight eventually also?
I would love to know more about the Humans other than the bits and pieces and obvious things. My OG character, Human Priest, she's 19 years old now! And I barely know who she is.
Blizzard is an organization name. Is or are can change depending on the extended meaning of the name. In this case, the extended meaning is not Blizzard as one entity, but rather the team working on World of Warcraft, which means "are" is more grammatical than "is" in this particular case. :)
@@gabrielballiet9282 Not really different rules. It's just that grammar rules are actually quite flexible and change by usage all around the world. Grammar as you're taught in school is just a limited picture of what grammar actually is. Greetings from an English teacher. :)
@@Krascara English is the easiest and simultaniously most confusing language ever. It's so practical and quick to pick up, but god damn the rules look like a conspiracy board.
It was good to hear a bit about the Tauren mythos, can you make a video elaborating on that ? Tauren and Trolls are tied a lot to the beginning of the world, but the lore and the worldbuilding they have now does not do justice to it
The Human perk used to be one of the best but now it works against NOTHING but PVE mobs. My main is a Human since the game began and will always be that.
Yeah, humans have pretty booty racials these days. I came back after a few expansions long break and after a month decided to race change my Pally after farming the expansion reps. I was gonna go Kul Tiran to still feel human, but decided on Dark Iron Dwarf.
Is it that accurate to say that the last Vrykul died then? Like the Drust and stuff were around well after this, weren't they? Re: New Avalon - could easily be that Avalon was one of the cities destroyed in the troll wars. New Avalon is in an Amani controlled area.
I always thought many of the races, at least dwarves, gnomes, and I thought humans, were the result of the curse of flesh on beings made by the keepers.
as they are in all games where you can be another race instead, in The Elder Scrolls i was either Khajiit, Argonian or Dark Elf (or whatever they called them)
@@ShadowWolfRising ahh right, right, been a while since playing Skyrim, legit forgot. funny how i can remember being called a "Filthy S'wit" in Morrowind, but couldnt remember Dunmer. lol
Please make an awareness video for Turkey. Two earthquakes (7.7 and 7.6) hit the southern region of Turkey and 13 million people are effected. Please Michael.
These are my favourite of your videos. I've also mained a human warrior and DK for years. I love the classic knight in fantasy and I've always loved the fact that humans weren't the strongest race in the world but were able to survive nonetheless. I'd love to see more human lore!
I like that Blizzard is trying to fix the humans, but goodness me besides Night Elves and the Humans themselves, no Alliance race gets any attention these days and are pushed off so far to the side they're not too noticeable.
I don't really want to dumb it all down to skin colour but do you guys remember the small storm with darker skin colours for Blood Elves? When combined with the excitement for different clan customizations for orcs and dwarves it really showed how insulated Blizzard and some western parts of the community really are and how shallow their understanding of cultures and ethnicities is. Fun is cool and everything but all those differences don't need to be seen through this singular paradigm sucked out of US. Humans were hit by this avatarization the most. Other races can play with these differences and make them fun with lots of cultural curiosities, both positive and negative. Humans on the other hand (and to some degree also blood elves) are so close to this melting pot they know, that everything melts together into this one mass of grey goo. There is a beauty in interactions with more insulated cultures, ethnicities, groups, styles. When everyone is and can be everything then everything cannot be anything but uninteresting.
One of the main problems with the Humans in WoW is they lost everything that made them interesting. Right out of the gate at the start of WoW they were kneecapped by making Stormwind their starter zone. Stormwind had zero on screen role in WC3. The WC3 story largely followed Lordaeronian characters and was centered on that kingdom. It was also centered on its survivors who Jaina led west to establish Theramore. Which in WoW was nothing but a small pretty much irrelevant settlement. Lordaeron was now a Horde race's city and outside of the Defias/Onxyia storyline of Vanilla, Blizzard made no effort to give Stormwind an interesting story. The CATA Revamp made half of their zones pop culture references and childish poop jokes. On top of that the human Paladin theme was given to the neutral Argent Crusade and the human magi of Dalaran were turned neutral as well. Basically all of the interesting human themes were stripped from them and given to neutral factions or the Forsaken.
Man this video is just beautiful, thanks a lot for the good work and I can't wait to see the rest. LOR in WoW is so deep, vast and exploded everywhere that it's nearly impossible for someone like me who was not there 10 years ago to get it. Nevertheless it's fascinating and everytime I check a Lor video I learn a bit more and I love that. Today your video is participating to my WoW culture, big thanks for that ! :D Rascarkapac
Tying the Church of the Light and light magic itself back to the Naaru is stupid, ignores that canonically other races could receive light magic from other sources, and is a clear example of why the Warcraft lore shouldn't be taken seriously anymore.
actually after hearing your theory/video about avalon and there possibly being a whole new Human badass kingdom on the other side of azeroth, and there being far more to it than just Humans being fleshy titanoids, when I saw the yaradeen I just kept thinking about that, and how these Yaradeen look so Human even though they are lava people xD and the whole "titans are bad" from the primalists, + your description of Odyn and his expedition to a rebel faction + that pirate guy who went and came back xD It makes you think, and it makes you fantasize about the potential true badass lineage of the Humans
I dont think there is an "old" York if im correct the name new york came from when the dutch colonised that part and called it new amsterdam and then they traded it to england for Suriname and the english changed the name to newyork i think i might be wrong didnt do too much research
The humans possible connection and lineage from Vrykul and Djaridin could be a great story angle for them lore wise to justify giving humans shaman class.
Is the human origin story really that underdeveloped? I mean, it's identical to dwarves and gnomes, and they haven't gotten much more in their distant history either. I mean, we've had so much vrykul stuff, but very little earthen and trogg stuff, and gnomes have even less going for them, because they only got minor (true) mecha-gnome stuff. And leper gnomes are recent history.
I'm only 5mn in, but just a thought : Do the races without the curse of the flesh view the cursed with the same ick as we humans do with say, insectoid stuff ? Like zerg stuff ? Like the cursed basically went from earth or stone to bags of goo
Well, I mean yeah they're overlooked. Their whole thing was these diverse kingdoms, and now we've got...two. Two representative distinct kingdoms. You've basically erased all intrigue of the others and homogenized them in to Stormwind. Alterac, Stromgarde, Dalaran, Gilneas and Lordaeron have so little significant representation that they basically don't exist as far as culture goes. We're left with Stormwind, which is literally just the "Alliance" culture, in that if you had to say a word that meant the same thing it would be Blue.
15:35 you may have just triggered 50% Americans who don't believe York is a place... the other 50% knew I was real and that the Scotts invaded it, just like on Braveheart 🤣🤣
Hey anyone remember those alternate male Human models that are thinner and are commonly used with the Defias and have been around since vanilla? Yeah, I wish those were playable even if it's just an option when making a Human character,.. I mean just look at the Nightborne, their male models are basically the same idea, being a thinner version of the existing male model. Blizzard could also pair that customizable option with giving the Trolls the option to use the 'Forest Troll / Zul'Aman Troll' bodyshape, aka the 'larger' muscly versions. It's funny isn't it? the male human body is 'thick' and muscly and the male troll body is 'thin' and lanky, meanwhile each has alternate bodies that are the opposite that only npc's use and not the player, and both have existed since the game's early years 'Vanilla and BC' Heck, even thought the bulky troll model wasn't added until BC, it's design existed in the RTS Warcraft games!
It's funny to think how all of this is because Metzen wanted a lore reason for why players had different colors in warcraft. Why are there so many orc clans? Because there were 8 player colors. Why are there so many human kingdoms? Because there were 8 player colors.
"Elementals of Draenor became orcs" What no? Orcs are the descendants of the fragments of the Titanforged Grond that were infused by the Spirit Element caused by the death of the Sporemounds. ...Right?
I personally just don't care about humans. They're the race you play when you want a self-insert into the universe and not actually feel like you're playing a different character.
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Humans, similarly to night elves, lost a lot of personality in the transition from W3 to WoW. A huge collection of diverse kingdoms, now forced to rebuild civilization in the foreign land of Kalimdor! But then Stormwind was magically rebuilt overnight and they became "USA but with castles". Sad.
The Human Kingdoms were supposed to struggle in their decline, a Tolkienian tragedy where hope is futile but paradoxically the most beautiful thing that inspires us in spite of certain doom. W3 had that melancholy, the best audio track is called "The Last Days of the Alliance". Human paladins in torn fabrics over battleworn armor wielding battered and cracked hammers on splintering handles is famously one of the artworks that inspire the spirit of the Alliance. It's almost a retelling of the Byzantine Empire's collapse. WoW sttempted to maintain the political intrigue and the "skeletons in the closet" but they fell off once they forced Varian as the Blue Warchief.
The humans should have been, and should be, as diverse as the orcs and trolls. I hope they capitalize on that with allied races.
It's not the USA but with castles. It's South Costal California. With castles.
@@danielbeshers1689 McMansions?
The USA with castles is a top notch description not gonna lie. The only European thing about them is the pseudo-Latin they speak and the writing system that vaguely resembles Nordic runes. And the fact that these two are smack dabbed together just shows that humans represent white americans, not specific blocks of European cultures. It would so cool for lorderon to be based on Byzantine/Slavic orthodox Christian aesthetics for example. Or even use cultures outside Europe.
Reminder that Cataclysm brought rumors of an 8th human kingdom, in the region that is now called the Burning Steppes. When the Dark Iron dwarves summoned Ragnaros, the area was utterly destroyed. The humans of Stormwind had to migrate from the Badlands through the Redridge mountains. This is where they encountered lions, which are represented in Stormwind's heraldry.
That was an interesting story that sadly never had any follow up on. Theramore had a lot of potential as a "new" human kingdom on Kalimdor. I really hate how they destroyed it before it got any meaningful development.
@TJ Trollbane Read Wowpedia. Jaina was supposed to die back in WC3 with Stormwind always meant to be the main Pinkskin kingdom.
Actually that kingdom shared the name of the world Azeroth. They bore the brunt of the horde's continous onslaught before they made it to stormwind
Love these videos where these interesting lore bits that are more subtlely woven into the game come across
6:35 if tauren are specifically earth elemental descendants that would explain Xalathat's line about them, that they are rather resilient to corruption despite their origins. Would also explain why there were so many tauren in the Twilight Hammer's cult, and also would explain why so many powerful shamans are tauren specifically (like Kurog or Magatha)
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I think the dragonflayer became dragonflayer after the meet-up with the djaradin. They met up the fire giants, King Ymiron survived, got home alone but with dragon eggs and new teachings, and started the whole dragonflayer thing.
The Uldaman Tome specifically shows Odyn telling his Keepers to keep the ‘advances of the Black Empire’ out of common knowledge. Now the Old Gods are responsible for the Curse of Flesh which afflicted the Titanborn, but it stands to reason that the Curse likewise could’ve afflicted the Elementals. We know that Protodrakes are evolved from the Firehawks, and now the hints are Tauren evolved from Earth Elementals or some other kind of Elemental. Void/Old Gods have been the source of literally ‘fleshy’ evolution for nearly all the Alliance core races. It might be tempering the Curse of Flesh with Order magic = regular people
I'm interested in the overlooked Drogbar from Legion and how they kind of seem related to primordial trolls. And just trolls in general as their genesis into the many subspecies we see today is fascinating. They're one of the few truly home-grown species Azeroth bore, seemingly not having been created or shaped by higher powers from jump, and yet are as highly malleable as the dragons.
And the fact one clan is a part of the Horde.
@@ShadowWolfRising
Several tribes, actually.
Horde trolls are of the Darkspear and Shatterspear jungle troll tribes, and the Revantusk forest troll tribe.
@@seekervaltriz9447 I meant the Drogbar.
@@ShadowWolfRising It was unclear what you meant.
@@seekervaltriz9447 It was pretty clear they meant drogbar. why would it be notable that some trolls are horde
Absolutely enjoy your story telling, thanks from your fellow Mini Vrykul!
with the amount of vrykul armor being added to the players it wouldn't surprise me Vrykuls would be playable race in the future. If they do become playable hopefully a rework of their player model.
They just did rework them for when legion started tho
Kul'tirans are the playable Vry'kul my guy. They are absolute units.
@@thequestbro sadly we got the big belly guys
@@dakota7134 that's more updated textures rework. What i'm talking about is a fully rework with new combat and idle animations.
@@thequestbro never liked the kul tirian. Just a thicc slider for normal humans
I really loved the 7 kingdoms. I hope they bring them back. So much more interesting than just Stormwind.
They killed all the orc Clans and the destroyed the human kingdoms. The most interesting things of each factions, we really need them back
@@chrissmid8660 the most interesting things of each factions? lmaooooo get a grip
For thoese who have read the day of the dragon novel and played war2 we know that the story of the 7 kingdom is awesome, they could sooooo much do a Games of Thron story about them...
Please bring back my Kingdom of Alterac dam it!
It really is. Sadly Stormwind is the most boring of the 7 Kingdoms and was like the only one (minus Alterac perhaps) that was irrelevant to WC3. Blizz really squandered every chance they had to make Stormwind interesting.
@@Trollbane96 And Alterac with all the political plots around its downfall and after its fall was so much better than Stormwind will ever be...especially since writters are not able to treat humans with more serious than them being US soldiers...
That’s something WoW has always done pretty well. Racial Origin stories. Out of all of the playable races, the only origin story that we are missing (to my knowledge) is that of the Eredar. Draenei is just a name that means uncorrupted and Exodar obviously means Exodus, or exiled. But all of the other races have some sort of origin story. Subjects of evolution from elemental entities, curse of flesh titanforged, literally created by the titan keepers to populate and cultivate the world, etc. But Draenei are as much just Russian space goats as they are anything else. We know very little about how the Eredar came to be.
My personal theory is that they are similar to the orcs or trolls, since there was no old gods on their planet and their home world was also a titan.
@@NubsWithGuns He means their origin as a species, which we know close to nothing about.
We know zilch about what Argus was like before it was destroyed, much less their original society.
The Draenei are a shoddy race who's backstory is ridiculous (technology better than the Gnomes and magic easily rivaling Dalaran but manage to lose a war against boar men with spears).
I definitely want different theming to signify the different kinds of humans, I was ecstatic when Kultirans became playable for that reason, and from an RP aspect that would be amazing. I'd also like to see some more Vrykul themed human customisations / equipment.
What about the human kingdoms?
@@AdriatheBwitch oh I'd love to have lordaeron or Stromguard themed human gear and customisations, all I've ever wanted to play was a Lordaeron knight
@@Bunstonious Except that what you play when you play a "regular human" is a Stormwind human, it is whats written in the race description, hence why the heritage armor will be about stormwind
@Adria the Bwitch I know... which is why I'd like more variants...
@@Bunstonious I think, we are coming to a "weird" point with the humans now, actually its "sad" but it feels like IF the Kingdom of humanity are NOT separate "races" like Kul tirans it wont get any cultural developpement in the lore
I explained myself here, to me unless they do an actual allied race for the Alteraci humans we wont get any major cultural difference/developpement compared to the playable stormwind humans, this can be seen with the orcs, if you look at the orcs the whole idea and culture differences of each clans is innexistant regarding to the base orcs who came to only be well...orcs
I really REALLY love these lore videos. Thanks to all the team for making this possible.
Imagine them putting races in the game where they actually make wire frames for armor so they don't look terrible like the dracthyr
One day
One of the main things making humans less interesting is how they became bland good guys over time, along with the rest of the Alliance. Early on in Warcraft and through to the early years of WoW, there was lots of background of scheming nobles, peasant revolts, and different factions scraping against each other. As time went on, though, anyone morally dubious in the Alliance got scraped out and never got replaced. Not for lack of opportunity! The Alliance still has a secret police and is run largely by hereditary nobles, a wonderful combination. Nobody ever challenged the Kul Tirans about where they'd been while the Scourge or the Legion were invading. The social, political and economic consequences of the setting's constant wars and disasters are as glossed over as anyone - the only way the setting makes sense is if most people who die get resurrected, and then barely. I'm not asking for the Alliance to suddenly be full of cackling edgy villains, but it really has seemed like Blizzard has repeatedly, deliberately backed away from any opportunity for the Alliance to have any flaws and the potential interesting stories that would come with it, except occasionally when an entire city gets destroyed and then maybe one Alliance character gets to be a bit angry for an expansion or two. Yeah that's really some verisimilitude there, guys. Humans being the main characters of the Alliance most of the time, they get it the worst. I have hope they improve things, but not a lot of it.
So much for not developpming the only "bad" group of humans that they had (alterac) ...
Never forget about Varian approving a statue getting made of himself when a chunk of his kingdom is having famine.
I got plenty of human characters, and one of them is my Alliance main. It will be interesting to see Blizzard expand on the human lore, fill in the blanks between the cursed Vrykul and the rise of Arathor. I'm also curious if there's another connection with the Djaradin, beyond that Vrykul king who joined them.
clicked on this video as soon as i saw it. i’m someone who plays only worgen and forsaken because they’re just more interesting humans in my mind. i’d love for a reason to actually play a human!
"faux-British furries taking orders from a little boy"
"supervillain zombies living in a sewer taking orders from a raging banshee"
I’ve been playing a human warrior since vanilla, and it’s awesome to have a series like this coming out.
All of the human leveling zones are just stories of the towns or people of stormwind/ lordaeron/ scholomance / etc.
The lore of wow is so rich !
Out of all the lore videos that mention galakrond, it seems like none of them mention one of the biggest hints found in gathering professions related to the story. As an herbalist you can get elemental reagents for crafting: air, frost, order…and decay. Decay is only found in one area, and to me it clearly points to Tyr’s failed experiment with galakrond. Decay is the offset of Order. It’s small but it fits.
Thank you Bellular and crew for the amazing content, you can tell how much you care about this just by the effort of creating your own story and putting things using real world and warcraft world together in comparison. Amazing work :)
So I've had this theory bouncing around in my head since Kul'Tirans entered WoW in BfA that they are more closely related to their Vykrul ancestors than other humans. Not only are they of larger build in both girth and height than most humans, but their affinity for seafaring and shamanistic beliefs through the Tidesages is more akin to Vykrul ways than Human. That is today that instead of evolving from those original Human clans, that Kul'Tirans are their own settlement of those cursed Dragonflayers that settled entirely separately from the core group in what is now Arathi and Tirsfal. Granted this is all based on real world migration theory which has little to no bearings on a fantasy setting, but it makes you wonder...
I hate to be that guy my man, but Kul Tiras started as a Gilnean colony.
Lol your theory makes no sense if you know anything about lore... it's literally a Gilnean colony.
Kul Tiras was founded by Gilnean settlers. Upon discovering the new land, they ended up at war with the native Drust, another Vrykul off- shoot that combined druidism with death magic. The Kul Tirans were ultimately victorious, but some of the Drust joined Kul Tiran society. A popular theory is the big and bulky Kul Tirans have Drust blood in their veins.
Love these type of videos mate, I vaguely knew about Tyr and human stuff... but when you put it like that, that was surprisingly detailed even though somewhat summarized. all n' all that was awesome!
This is the most interested I've been in WOW lore in years, I have been a human paladin as far back as I can remember so this is really fascinating to me. Thank you for making this video.
Humans could use an animation/graphics boost. My options are short wolverine or short karen. Lets make em a little taller and not so blocky.
Still wondering why the Tauren mythology so specifically mentions "the sun and the moon", especially since the new Tuskarr stories mention the same.
But, there are two moons in Azeroth, aren't there?
There definitely is canonically two moons, yet for many years we only had one in game.
Is all of that just a series of mistakes? or could it be hinting at something?
I wish they would fix the crooked-legged human female… err body-type-two… running animations.
I wish there was faction of humans that joined the horde, humans killing eachother is the most human thing there is
There was Alterac but Blizzard pretends they were never a thing since they show that Alliance v. Horde wasn't invented as the fantasy racism filled war they desperate insist on it being.
They need to make the races semnificative again. Gotta miss when i was in races specific areas. Felt so special.
Wonder if they gonna tie this in to the old Azotha lore? Primordial/barbarian like humans who settled in Arathi fighting jungle trolls especially as hinted that primordial trolls was gonna be a part of dragonflight eventually also?
I would love to know more about the Humans other than the bits and pieces and obvious things. My OG character, Human Priest, she's 19 years old now! And I barely know who she is.
this lore is badass and its kind of awesome that its hidden and the player has to sort of discover the lore in game by happen chance.
Shouldnt it be ‘Blizzard IS fixing that’?
Blizzard is an organization name. Is or are can change depending on the extended meaning of the name. In this case, the extended meaning is not Blizzard as one entity, but rather the team working on World of Warcraft, which means "are" is more grammatical than "is" in this particular case. :)
Maybe Irish english rules are different when it comes to subject verb agreement
Same as "The police ARE"
@@gabrielballiet9282 Not really different rules. It's just that grammar rules are actually quite flexible and change by usage all around the world. Grammar as you're taught in school is just a limited picture of what grammar actually is.
Greetings from an English teacher. :)
@@Krascara English is the easiest and simultaniously most confusing language ever. It's so practical and quick to pick up, but god damn the rules look like a conspiracy board.
Fantastic video. New Avalon being derived from Avaloren just as Tirisfall was from Tyr's Fall makes alot of sense.
Just hearing the background music put me in a special place. I wish they never broke WC3...
The production value of this video is great!!
Once again making me more interested in the lore than Blizzard does. Thanks for more lore content can't wait to see the rest of this series!
Wait, a video showing whats in game make you more interested than whats in game? I am confused lmamo
Re-inventing the past rarely ever works well for any franchise.
It was good to hear a bit about the Tauren mythos, can you make a video elaborating on that ? Tauren and Trolls are tied a lot to the beginning of the world, but the lore and the worldbuilding they have now does not do justice to it
Genuinely impressed you could identify "the markings of the dragonflayer clan", I totally forgot the vrykul had clans
Imagine if they pull out Avalaron and it turns out to be a full scarlet crusade dominated sanctuary with a capital and all...
It's too bad the human heritage armor is so lackluster.
Really loving these lore video's, can't wait for the other parts! You've got me hooked....
Nice job! This makes sense, and could set up humans to be Shamans…?
The Human perk used to be one of the best but now it works against NOTHING but PVE mobs. My main is a Human since the game began and will always be that.
Yeah, humans have pretty booty racials these days. I came back after a few expansions long break and after a month decided to race change my Pally after farming the expansion reps. I was gonna go Kul Tiran to still feel human, but decided on Dark Iron Dwarf.
Is it that accurate to say that the last Vrykul died then? Like the Drust and stuff were around well after this, weren't they?
Re: New Avalon - could easily be that Avalon was one of the cities destroyed in the troll wars. New Avalon is in an Amani controlled area.
Love vids like this! Always wanted to get into the lore but it's sooooo thick that I never have. Easy to digest bits like this are awesome
I always thought many of the races, at least dwarves, gnomes, and I thought humans, were the result of the curse of flesh on beings made by the keepers.
Crendor said it best more than a decade ago:
Male human "I'm boring!"
Female human "Me too!"
He was completely correct.
as they are in all games where you can be another race instead, in The Elder Scrolls i was either Khajiit, Argonian or Dark Elf (or whatever they called them)
@@UltimateGamerCC Dunmer
@@ShadowWolfRising ahh right, right, been a while since playing Skyrim, legit forgot. funny how i can remember being called a "Filthy S'wit" in Morrowind, but couldnt remember Dunmer. lol
Plenty of other settings have interesting enough humans.
Please make an awareness video for Turkey. Two earthquakes (7.7 and 7.6) hit the southern region of Turkey and 13 million people are effected. Please Michael.
These are my favourite of your videos. I've also mained a human warrior and DK for years. I love the classic knight in fantasy and I've always loved the fact that humans weren't the strongest race in the world but were able to survive nonetheless. I'd love to see more human lore!
Humans had incredible potential they just never did anything with them, their history literally up until end of WC3 was pretty damn good.
I don't want lore. I wanna be a girl who woke up one day and decided to kill an old God because she was bored.
I like that Blizzard is trying to fix the humans, but goodness me besides Night Elves and the Humans themselves, no Alliance race gets any attention these days and are pushed off so far to the side they're not too noticeable.
gnomes got a lot of attention in BFA
I started to play the game because of the dwarves, my favourite fantasy race, imagine how frustrated I am
Wait, there's Alliance races besides humans and night elves?
High Elves never.
😂
I'd rather they didn't, everyone else deserves love more than them.
Amazing video as always. So relaxing, will watch it again tonight to help me sleep
I don't really want to dumb it all down to skin colour but do you guys remember the small storm with darker skin colours for Blood Elves? When combined with the excitement for different clan customizations for orcs and dwarves it really showed how insulated Blizzard and some western parts of the community really are and how shallow their understanding of cultures and ethnicities is.
Fun is cool and everything but all those differences don't need to be seen through this singular paradigm sucked out of US. Humans were hit by this avatarization the most. Other races can play with these differences and make them fun with lots of cultural curiosities, both positive and negative. Humans on the other hand (and to some degree also blood elves) are so close to this melting pot they know, that everything melts together into this one mass of grey goo.
There is a beauty in interactions with more insulated cultures, ethnicities, groups, styles. When everyone is and can be everything then everything cannot be anything but uninteresting.
One of the main problems with the Humans in WoW is they lost everything that made them interesting. Right out of the gate at the start of WoW they were kneecapped by making Stormwind their starter zone. Stormwind had zero on screen role in WC3. The WC3 story largely followed Lordaeronian characters and was centered on that kingdom. It was also centered on its survivors who Jaina led west to establish Theramore. Which in WoW was nothing but a small pretty much irrelevant settlement. Lordaeron was now a Horde race's city and outside of the Defias/Onxyia storyline of Vanilla, Blizzard made no effort to give Stormwind an interesting story. The CATA Revamp made half of their zones pop culture references and childish poop jokes. On top of that the human Paladin theme was given to the neutral Argent Crusade and the human magi of Dalaran were turned neutral as well. Basically all of the interesting human themes were stripped from them and given to neutral factions or the Forsaken.
You forget that Stormwind was supposed to be in WC3 and that Jaina was meant to die and be a Banshee.
Nice lore speculation video as always.
Man this video is just beautiful, thanks a lot for the good work and I can't wait to see the rest.
LOR in WoW is so deep, vast and exploded everywhere that it's nearly impossible for someone like me who was not there 10 years ago to get it. Nevertheless it's fascinating and everytime I check a Lor video I learn a bit more and I love that.
Today your video is participating to my WoW culture, big thanks for that ! :D
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Bellular lore videos. Lads.. we're eatin' good.
Tying the Church of the Light and light magic itself back to the Naaru is stupid, ignores that canonically other races could receive light magic from other sources, and is a clear example of why the Warcraft lore shouldn't be taken seriously anymore.
@Riding Nerdy Blame The Burning Crusade with the Draenei being Paladin Light masters.
Amazing work as ever... love it!
I've wanted vrykul as a playable race since wotlk, just hope its alliance only and they don't shrink them. Time to smash moocows!
They wouldn't fit in most content if you did that
Until there's a decent way to drop combat when you're stuck in it for no fucking reason, Night Elf is the only alliance race.
this vid is awesome love how the lore is turning :D
actually after hearing your theory/video about avalon and there possibly being a whole new Human badass kingdom on the other side of azeroth, and there being far more to it than just Humans being fleshy titanoids, when I saw the yaradeen I just kept thinking about that, and how these Yaradeen look so Human even though they are lava people xD and the whole "titans are bad" from the primalists, + your description of Odyn and his expedition to a rebel faction + that pirate guy who went and came back xD It makes you think, and it makes you fantasize about the potential true badass lineage of the Humans
More importantly, why can't we just go visit ancient beings like neptulon and therazane and.... ask them?
alliance itself is going out of the game , now who cares about humans
I'm guessing Avaloren is the backside of the Azeroth map you can't sail to.
I dont think there is an "old" York if im correct the name new york came from when the dutch colonised that part and called it new amsterdam and then they traded it to england for Suriname and the english changed the name to newyork i think i might be wrong didnt do too much research
It's named after the Duke of York, who was the Duke...of the city of York.
The humans possible connection and lineage from Vrykul and Djaridin could be a great story angle for them lore wise to justify giving humans shaman class.
I am pretty sure that Azeroth is elemental in nature and titans just pumped arcane magic to her to make her a titan
Its a fantasy game, why tf would people want to play a character that looks like people you see all the time.
You need to watch less capeshit.
I just wanna know how they dont spill the lava when they fight
If they finally add the last tabards for the remaining human kingdoms, I'm going to be very happy indeed. (Lordaeron, Alterac and Stromgarde)
Undeads should get a lordaeron heritage armor set
Is the human origin story really that underdeveloped? I mean, it's identical to dwarves and gnomes, and they haven't gotten much more in their distant history either. I mean, we've had so much vrykul stuff, but very little earthen and trogg stuff, and gnomes have even less going for them, because they only got minor (true) mecha-gnome stuff. And leper gnomes are recent history.
I'm a human irl, I don't want to be a human in a video game too. Humans are the most boring WoW race imo.
You must be addicted to capeshit.
seems like they are leading into a light themed xpac :D
Tyr's Fall => Tirisfal? Pull on that thread a bit... would be interesting if that's more than ac coincidence
I'm only 5mn in, but just a thought : Do the races without the curse of the flesh view the cursed with the same ick as we humans do with say, insectoid stuff ? Like zerg stuff ? Like the cursed basically went from earth or stone to bags of goo
why is blizzard hinting at the real coverup of humanities origins IN REAL LIFE
12000 years?!?! gobeklei tepei anyone? dude wtf
We need the human kingdoms back, not just Gilneas but Alterac and Lordaeron as well.
Well let's see. The entire north is basically a superfund site for the next however long.
Well, I mean yeah they're overlooked. Their whole thing was these diverse kingdoms, and now we've got...two. Two representative distinct kingdoms. You've basically erased all intrigue of the others and homogenized them in to Stormwind. Alterac, Stromgarde, Dalaran, Gilneas and Lordaeron have so little significant representation that they basically don't exist as far as culture goes. We're left with Stormwind, which is literally just the "Alliance" culture, in that if you had to say a word that meant the same thing it would be Blue.
I mean there's Kul'tiras but they only came back since they were relevant to Jaina.
Please for the love of god make Vrykul a race to play on wow.
15:35 you may have just triggered 50% Americans who don't believe York is a place... the other 50% knew I was real and that the Scotts invaded it, just like on Braveheart 🤣🤣
When they made orcs into green humans who are just misunderstood then humans lost their rp roles.
Lol the "uh-MAN- eye" no bro... Ah-Mah-Nee
If you're going to do an "x" part series, can you please number the parts to make watching in order possible. Thank you!
Humans are the most popular race in WoW... probably because fully 75% of the WoW playerbase are humans in real life.
What do you suppose the other 25% is?
@@itscali619 Bots
100%
I mean the vrykul lore in howling fjord was pretty great
Hey anyone remember those alternate male Human models that are thinner and are commonly used with the Defias and have been around since vanilla? Yeah, I wish those were playable even if it's just an option when making a Human character,.. I mean just look at the Nightborne, their male models are basically the same idea, being a thinner version of the existing male model.
Blizzard could also pair that customizable option with giving the Trolls the option to use the 'Forest Troll / Zul'Aman Troll' bodyshape, aka the 'larger' muscly versions.
It's funny isn't it? the male human body is 'thick' and muscly and the male troll body is 'thin' and lanky, meanwhile each has alternate bodies that are the opposite that only npc's use and not the player, and both have existed since the game's early years 'Vanilla and BC' Heck, even thought the bulky troll model wasn't added until BC, it's design existed in the RTS Warcraft games!
What about Goblins or Undead? I'm Horde and I can't remember the last time I seen a Goblin player, or an Undead.
It's funny to think how all of this is because Metzen wanted a lore reason for why players had different colors in warcraft. Why are there so many orc clans? Because there were 8 player colors. Why are there so many human kingdoms? Because there were 8 player colors.
Indeed.
Nice work, thank you.
LOVE the lore, thanks!
"Elementals of Draenor became orcs"
What no? Orcs are the descendants of the fragments of the Titanforged Grond that were infused by the Spirit Element caused by the death of the Sporemounds.
...Right?
Grond was a titan-forged earth and fire elemental so he’s orcs are elemental descendants
I care about humans, I like their lore , their animations, everything about them , for the Alliance!
I personally just don't care about humans. They're the race you play when you want a self-insert into the universe and not actually feel like you're playing a different character.
That's projection.