There are many theories but nothing concrete. One of the most common ones is that during they arcane studies they gained a glimpse at what the opposite of Voidsent would look like.
I have a baseless theory that in the same way certain arcane geometries and incantations are best for spells, they found certain golem shapes worked best/were most efficient for White Magic Golemancy. So, maybe they inadvertently created statues similar to Sineaters because that shape worked best. Alternatively, the White Mage/Conjurer equivalent on the First seemed to be the Devout job. Maybe on the First, they discovered their own form of “White Magic” and also created their own golems with light-aspected Magic. So when the Flood of Light happened, maybe it took on the form the people associated the most to “Light-based creatures/golems”.
They're essentially White Magic taken to the same kind of extreme that Black Magic does with Voidsent. Hence, they look like Sin Eaters because they're White Magic (Light-aspected) Voidsent, albeit artificial and engineered drones rather than natural monsters.
@@SynodicScribe If i recall correct in one of the eorzea encyclopedia, its state that, during the Magi war, some white mages was so powerful that they could tear small fissures in reality, giving them some glimpse in the future, but not only from the source, but also its reflection, Yoshida suggest that during one of this events, they might have see the floor f light in the first and saw the sin eaters as beign made of pure white aether.
Holy crap. That's tragic. I knew the void ark was itself a tomb...but finally getting all of the lore behind it is haunting. Was one of my favorite raids too.
You know it never occurred to me that Mhach's behavior was so...similar. If it really did have the same dark founders as Allag and Garlemald then that would make a lot of sense. It would also explain why all of these imperial nations were prone to such militant and reckless expansion. No nation that expanded slowly and responsibly could ever sow half as much chaos.
I was thinking this actually, though I assumed it was Emet-Selch and his panache for empire-building. He didn’t mention it, so maybe it was another Ascian. Though, it wouldn’t have surprised me if Elidibus worked on Amdapor to help raise the stakes of the war, raise the chaos, and cause the Calamity.
@@toodleselnoodos6738 One Unsundered for each major city state perhaps? After all, apparently a certain now-maniacal Paragon was once quite the scholar...
Hearing more about the War of the Magi really makes me marvel at the abilities of White Mages and Scholars from the previous era. Being able to contend with the destructive power of Mhach's Black Mages must have been no meager task. However, it also make me wish WHM and SCH had just a few more offensive abilities to make their gameplay more engaging. I'd like to feel as powerful as our forebears sound like they were.
makes me wonder if the SCHs and WHMs from the lost eras had access to Broil IV and Glare since these both are already really destructive spells in nature
@@pumpkinpie5586 seeing as our spells come from our Soul Stones after a certain point, it would make sense that Amdapor and Nym had spells like the ones we see in Shadowbringers and Endwalker
As a Whm and Sch/Smn, I’m proud of the way my WoL has brought back two forgotten arts and broke a third from the restrictive controls of the elementals. It’s why I’m happy that we have retainers that can learn our jobs as apprentices. I made one a white mage, one summoner and one scholar in my retainers. I even kinda headcanon them training new candidates from the precursor guilds-Arcanists and Conjurers. Then there are the Ul’dah new summoners.
Wow ... these lore videos are really making me appreciate lower level dungeons in a new light. I don't remember anything from ARR story so this is really great
One thing seems to be missing, the final instigators of the flood It was the Elementals feeling threatened by the waning aether So they pooled their power to create an immensely powerful Elemental, not unlike that of a Primal summoning, who using the aether tilted towards Water summoned a great flood ... And well, It ended up being worse than could have been imagined due to the rejoining It's also why it took the Gelmorrans such a long time to make peace with them and why even now Gridania is on shakey grounds with them
I've no record of the elementals instigating the Calamity. But you're right in saying the elementals didn't trust the mortal races because of the Calamity.
@@SynodicScribe Look up the unaspected Elemental known as Oha-Sok! The story of Oha-Sok and it's relation to the flood was explained during the White Mage Job questline!
@@BlueMageDaisen Oh that explains it then. I don't use data that only makes one appearance. It's hard to back up and cement with continuity errors and retcons. =/
@@SynodicScribe Still it's our only record of what pulled the final trigger on the 6th Calamity No shade meant though, really enjoyed this video and subscribed, keep up the awesome work!
I just did the void ark line after a year of playing and I can’t believe how awesome it was. I did find it a little tough to follow from a lore perspective, so this cleared it right up. The history of Hydaelyn is so fascinating and nuanced. It really breathes life into the world.
That was satisfying end to this subject. I loved your research into it. It's given me more of an appreciation for the world and the story it has. Looking forward to watching more.
Now that I think about it, from a lore point of few, the Scholars using poison type magick makes sense if were replicating the power of the "Green Death" through their magicks. FFXIV Team should really make Scholar the official poison DoT mage, as some people in the FFXIV forums have suggested. It would just make lore wise the most sense.
@@SniperKing-O yeah I didn't play them back then but my brother did. He always talks about how SCH was so good back then since it had like 3 dots and you could actually command the fairies to heal (which didn't just mp). Hopefully they'll find a way to give not only SCH its dots back, but every healer more than just one attack and one dot.
Heyo! Just a minor correction in the future. Scathach is a Gaelic name from Celtic myth. Her name is pronounced (Skah-hah) with a back of the throat sound in the middle. But just saying Skah-hah is fine too.
Sorry. I've got some many different culturally appropriated names to go over I'm bound to screw up half of them. The Limsa Lominsa names almost killed me.
I can’t believe the back mages of Mach were so evil and devious about what they did to the nym. I can’t believe it. Gonna make me give every black mage I see ingame the side eye.
It wouldn't get any views outside FF14 players, but I could totally see an 8-10 episode series of every Astral Era on Netflix. Call up the Creative Business Unit when they aren't working on FMV's for FF16 and you've got gold.
I Frakking LOVE these Vids ya'll make! I can't wait for the Sixth Era video! I still say ya'll need to be hired by Square to do audio books for the game! Please NEVER stop making these I love them all! ;)
@@SynodicScribe you're doing amazingly well. I just discovered your channel and I've been watching it alot now. I'll be sure to share. You deserve more views
A quick note: I do believe it's mentioned that Diabolos was also the one who taught Mhachi Voidmages on how to summon Scathach, likely to forward his plan of usurping her.
@@SynodicScribe Shadow of Mhach questline, after the WoL and Redbills receive the tome from Radilla. Cait Sith goes over the circumstances of Cessair Blackwind's imprisonment, having learned from the tome that Cessair was encouraged to threaten to summon Diabolos as a deterrent. However, Cessair's opposition to the war got her imprisoned, and Mhachi Voidmages summoned Diabolos anyway, subsequently learning voidsent summoning, most notably how to summon Scathach. "Where shadows dream" I believe is the quest.
You do get some touches of the Magi War within the RDM questline as well. The job arose because of the Magi war and for the practitioner of the Red Arts had to use their own Mana reserves inplace of using the Mana of the Land like the WHM would use to bleed the Lands dry or like how the BLM would channel mana from the Void
Fun fact about the Amdapoor, as we learned on The First, and as they likely knew in the 5th Era, light is the element of stasis. Within the hard mode dungeon for the Lost City of Amdapoor, we fight the enemies called magic pots, which would have been used as a kind of magic battery for the mages of the city or for the golems. They could have used light to stop the aether within the pots giving them a resource to draw upon later. It's also talked about that this misuse of the natural energies eventually had Amdapoor lose the favor of the elementals, which is why Gridania even today has to tread lightly around them.
you missed mentioning that the void ark was supposed to carry them to Dun Scaith, a safe haven the machi created. What I dont know is how and when they made it
Many of the floating rocks around Nym only really started to float because of the 7th Calamity and the disturbed aether it brought. If their city was floating they wouldn't have abandoned it to the 6th Calamity so quickly.
Stop stop stop... 10:05 - OUASCHAN? It's OSC-HON. That's the worst pronunciation I've heard of _my guardian diety_ :< Aside from that, it was a good video.
The fact that those golems look like Sin Eaters makes me endlessly intrigued about just what was going on there.
There are many theories but nothing concrete. One of the most common ones is that during they arcane studies they gained a glimpse at what the opposite of Voidsent would look like.
I have a baseless theory that in the same way certain arcane geometries and incantations are best for spells, they found certain golem shapes worked best/were most efficient for White Magic Golemancy.
So, maybe they inadvertently created statues similar to Sineaters because that shape worked best.
Alternatively, the White Mage/Conjurer equivalent on the First seemed to be the Devout job. Maybe on the First, they discovered their own form of “White Magic” and also created their own golems with light-aspected Magic. So when the Flood of Light happened, maybe it took on the form the people associated the most to “Light-based creatures/golems”.
They're essentially White Magic taken to the same kind of extreme that Black Magic does with Voidsent. Hence, they look like Sin Eaters because they're White Magic (Light-aspected) Voidsent, albeit artificial and engineered drones rather than natural monsters.
That is such a cool connection!
@@SynodicScribe If i recall correct in one of the eorzea encyclopedia, its state that, during the Magi war, some white mages was so powerful that they could tear small fissures in reality, giving them some glimpse in the future, but not only from the source, but also its reflection, Yoshida suggest that during one of this events, they might have see the floor f light in the first and saw the sin eaters as beign made of pure white aether.
Holy crap. That's tragic. I knew the void ark was itself a tomb...but finally getting all of the lore behind it is haunting. Was one of my favorite raids too.
As a Red Mage, it's amazing how this war led to the creation of this class
That's whyyyy tonberrys vary in sizes the SMOLL ones are actually lalafells XD
You know it never occurred to me that Mhach's behavior was so...similar. If it really did have the same dark founders as Allag and Garlemald then that would make a lot of sense. It would also explain why all of these imperial nations were prone to such militant and reckless expansion. No nation that expanded slowly and responsibly could ever sow half as much chaos.
The ascians found a method that works, so they kept doing it over and over.
I was thinking this actually, though I assumed it was Emet-Selch and his panache for empire-building.
He didn’t mention it, so maybe it was another Ascian.
Though, it wouldn’t have surprised me if Elidibus worked on Amdapor to help raise the stakes of the war, raise the chaos, and cause the Calamity.
@@toodleselnoodos6738 One Unsundered for each major city state perhaps? After all, apparently a certain now-maniacal Paragon was once quite the scholar...
I know at least in Allag, Emet Selch directly sought out the Shard of Hermes in Amon so it's more than likely a whole web of efforts.
Before EW, I 100% believed someone's theory that Fandaniel would turn out to be from Mhach, hence the designs of the towers looking like Void Ark
Hearing more about the War of the Magi really makes me marvel at the abilities of White Mages and Scholars from the previous era. Being able to contend with the destructive power of Mhach's Black Mages must have been no meager task. However, it also make me wish WHM and SCH had just a few more offensive abilities to make their gameplay more engaging. I'd like to feel as powerful as our forebears sound like they were.
makes me wonder if the SCHs and WHMs from the lost eras had access to Broil IV and Glare
since these both are already really destructive spells in nature
@@pumpkinpie5586 seeing as our spells come from our Soul Stones after a certain point, it would make sense that Amdapor and Nym had spells like the ones we see in Shadowbringers and Endwalker
YES! I WAMT MORE OFFENSIVE SPELLS PLEASSSSSSE
Bruh the point is they could counter destructive magics easily... That's not an easy feat.
As a Whm and Sch/Smn, I’m proud of the way my WoL has brought back two forgotten arts and broke a third from the restrictive controls of the elementals.
It’s why I’m happy that we have retainers that can learn our jobs as apprentices. I made one a white mage, one summoner and one scholar in my retainers. I even kinda headcanon them training new candidates from the precursor guilds-Arcanists and Conjurers. Then there are the Ul’dah new summoners.
Wow ... these lore videos are really making me appreciate lower level dungeons in a new light. I don't remember anything from ARR story so this is really great
One thing seems to be missing, the final instigators of the flood
It was the Elementals feeling threatened by the waning aether
So they pooled their power to create an immensely powerful Elemental, not unlike that of a Primal summoning, who using the aether tilted towards Water summoned a great flood
... And well, It ended up being worse than could have been imagined due to the rejoining
It's also why it took the Gelmorrans such a long time to make peace with them and why even now Gridania is on shakey grounds with them
I've no record of the elementals instigating the Calamity. But you're right in saying the elementals didn't trust the mortal races because of the Calamity.
@@SynodicScribe Look up the unaspected Elemental known as Oha-Sok!
The story of Oha-Sok and it's relation to the flood was explained during the White Mage Job questline!
@@BlueMageDaisen Oh that explains it then. I don't use data that only makes one appearance. It's hard to back up and cement with continuity errors and retcons. =/
@@SynodicScribe Still it's our only record of what pulled the final trigger on the 6th Calamity
No shade meant though, really enjoyed this video and subscribed, keep up the awesome work!
@@BlueMageDaisen No problem! It's fun to discuss lore no matter where it appears!
Imagine if White Mages in the game were given an ability to summon their own Golem. That would be awesome!!!
Maybe one day, our own golems can be so sorely tested.
I just did the void ark line after a year of playing and I can’t believe how awesome it was. I did find it a little tough to follow from a lore perspective, so this cleared it right up. The history of Hydaelyn is so fascinating and nuanced. It really breathes life into the world.
You missed out on Ozma and the destruction of nym which I’m sure it played a part in. You can even see bits of the city when it sucks you in
I want to hear more about that for sure!
That was satisfying end to this subject. I loved your research into it. It's given me more of an appreciation for the world and the story it has.
Looking forward to watching more.
Now that I think about it, from a lore point of few, the Scholars using poison type magick makes sense if were replicating the power of the "Green Death" through their magicks.
FFXIV Team should really make Scholar the official poison DoT mage, as some people in the FFXIV forums have suggested. It would just make lore wise the most sense.
I think back in ARR it was, but I could be wrong about that.
@@oEXTRA Oh, it was back then! I was playing back in 2.0. Both Sch and Smn were the "poison DoT mages" during that time.
@@SniperKing-O yeah I didn't play them back then but my brother did. He always talks about how SCH was so good back then since it had like 3 dots and you could actually command the fairies to heal (which didn't just mp). Hopefully they'll find a way to give not only SCH its dots back, but every healer more than just one attack and one dot.
Heyo! Just a minor correction in the future. Scathach is a Gaelic name from Celtic myth. Her name is pronounced (Skah-hah) with a back of the throat sound in the middle. But just saying Skah-hah is fine too.
Sorry. I've got some many different culturally appropriated names to go over I'm bound to screw up half of them. The Limsa Lominsa names almost killed me.
@@SynodicScribe oh you're totally fine :) just wanted to give you a heads up.
Huh, I always thought it was pronounced more like Skathak. Learn something new everyday
@@SynodicScribe Similar thing about Cait Sith - which sounds more like "Ket Shee"~
@@AgrioTheMoo I never claimed 100% accuracy on anything. I'm just a story teller.
I can’t believe the back mages of Mach were so evil and devious about what they did to the nym. I can’t believe it. Gonna make me give every black mage I see ingame the side eye.
Hey White Mages weren't exactly Goodie Two shoes either!! Plus us modern Black Mages aren't responsible for what happened back then.
Their masterstroke was the Endwalker job skills trailer tho.
I hope Golemancy returns as a job class someday. :D
Yeah, I feel pretty cheated, learning about golemancy, that summoning a golem is not the lvl90 capstone WHM spell for Endwalker.
I've never been this into lore before. Thats coming from a destiny 2 space wizard. You got me hooked.
Glad you're enjoying it!
Man, the 5th era sounds like it would make a dope ass show
They could make a movie/anime of the height of the war of magi tbh
It wouldn't get any views outside FF14 players, but I could totally see an 8-10 episode series of every Astral Era on Netflix. Call up the Creative Business Unit when they aren't working on FMV's for FF16 and you've got gold.
I Frakking LOVE these Vids ya'll make! I can't wait for the Sixth Era video! I still say ya'll need to be hired by Square to do audio books for the game! Please NEVER stop making these I love them all! ;)
Maybe one day Yoshi-P will notice me....
Man..this was an amazing tale. Ty for the clear retelling
You're very welcome! I'm trying my best. ^^
@@SynodicScribe you're doing amazingly well. I just discovered your channel and I've been watching it alot now. I'll be sure to share. You deserve more views
Ahh this is my fav piece of history lore
A quick note: I do believe it's mentioned that Diabolos was also the one who taught Mhachi Voidmages on how to summon Scathach, likely to forward his plan of usurping her.
Source? If true I'd like to add this to my collection.
@@SynodicScribe Shadow of Mhach questline, after the WoL and Redbills receive the tome from Radilla. Cait Sith goes over the circumstances of Cessair Blackwind's imprisonment, having learned from the tome that Cessair was encouraged to threaten to summon Diabolos as a deterrent. However, Cessair's opposition to the war got her imprisoned, and Mhachi Voidmages summoned Diabolos anyway, subsequently learning voidsent summoning, most notably how to summon Scathach. "Where shadows dream" I believe is the quest.
Apologies, I got the quest name wrong. "Where Shadows Reign" is the correct title.
You do get some touches of the Magi War within the RDM questline as well. The job arose because of the Magi war and for the practitioner of the Red Arts had to use their own Mana reserves inplace of using the Mana of the Land like the WHM would use to bleed the Lands dry or like how the BLM would channel mana from the Void
Thank you for makeing these videos u are the reason why i play Ff14 again.
Oh I doubt it was just me. Really glad to be adventuring with you again!
:c
Mhach: Lets use demons for power.
*Rip and Tear Noises increase*
Great video as always!!
Fun fact about the Amdapoor, as we learned on The First, and as they likely knew in the 5th Era, light is the element of stasis. Within the hard mode dungeon for the Lost City of Amdapoor, we fight the enemies called magic pots, which would have been used as a kind of magic battery for the mages of the city or for the golems. They could have used light to stop the aether within the pots giving them a resource to draw upon later. It's also talked about that this misuse of the natural energies eventually had Amdapoor lose the favor of the elementals, which is why Gridania even today has to tread lightly around them.
The Amdapori never held favor with the Elementals in the first place. lol
@@SynodicScribe fair enough, though the storing of aether wasn't something that earned them any points.
“High void mage”?
Lets goooo Cessair lets blaze it up
SUBBED! So many vids I have to catch up on now.
Happy to have you! Hope you've been getting your fill of FFXIV lore my friend!
you missed mentioning that the void ark was supposed to carry them to Dun Scaith, a safe haven the machi created. What I dont know is how and when they made it
this was such a great video i love it
Might be a stretch, but is it Dust in the Wind your bard is playing in the outro? It’s killing me how familiar it is!
also, what about the floating city of Nym? was it something they made to avoid the flooding? or it was like that before the calamity struck?
Many of the floating rocks around Nym only really started to float because of the 7th Calamity and the disturbed aether it brought. If their city was floating they wouldn't have abandoned it to the 6th Calamity so quickly.
@@SynodicScribe thanks!! yes I was curious if they made it float then what happened after. So they never saw their own city floating in the air :0
Woooo!
God YES!
10:50 This just worsens the fact that endwalker did scholar dirty. :(
I as well was hoping you'd mention Nyunkrepf Nyunkrepfsyn and the ark.
And anything on the far east on this era? :(
well nevermind, I see Nyunkrepf Nyunkrepfsyn covered in the next video xD
Oh my god, this is such a scary story x_x
I don't mind spoilers. Ill forget it by the time I get to it anyways.
Mannn I need sixth and seventh T^T
I wonder why Amdapoor and Nym never made an alliance before the War of the Magi
Yay
#FFXIV
#FinalFantasy
Every BLM warrior of light main about to recreate the war of the magi for every WHM that rescue them out of their leyline
Me, a WHM main: It’s all them BM fault. Voidsent worshipping meat heads >~
All those dern voidsent! You were just making statues, not summoning forth some godless demons!
Stop stop stop... 10:05 - OUASCHAN?
It's OSC-HON. That's the worst pronunciation I've heard of _my guardian diety_ :<
Aside from that, it was a good video.
Thank you? lol
late but scathach is pronounced "ska-hock"
The actual pronunciation of Scathach is scă-hăk.
Also cait sith is more like cat shee
For the record, Scathach is pronounced “ska-ha”, and Cait Sith is pronounced “Ket Shee”
the intro killed me lol