For book 2 you overlooked that there are spells that make things bigger in the inside than on the outside: Mr. Weasley‘s car was introduced BEFORE those wide pipes, later Perkins‘s tent and Hermione‘s bag. Thus there’s no plot hole, just an unannounced use of a rule that was established in canon.
Speaking of which, why do Weasley's complain about not having enough space in their house. They could simply enhance the space within. Its not like they dont have the magical ability
While the car was introduced before the pipes, that doesn’t mean that the spell used to make something larger inside than out had already been invented when Hogwarts was built.
@@86upsmaya its highly regulated by the ministry of magic, to preform charms on muggle artefacts and buildings making them to "obviously magical" would brake the statue of secrecy. but the borrow is held together with magic as construction is poorly dune then again mr Arthur Weasley´s has a criminal record after enchanting his car to fly so.
@@martintroberg8661 i dont think enhancing space is highly regulated by ministry and its definitely NOT criminal. Hermione does it on her PURSE, Perkins on his tent. And Burrow does not count as a muggle artefact. U could enhance the space of a room, surely. (The charm is undetectable -as Hermione says)
"Do you have to walk a mile to walk to your next class? " 🤔Spoken like someone who has never been to boarding school. Yes, you walk at least half a kilometer to your next class. That's normal.
Not even just at boarding school, completely depends on where/how your school I built. Ours was built into like three layers of a rather steep hill (Yorkshire) and it took a fair while to get from the music dept at the bottom of the hill to the maths dept at the top. Nightmare.
In book 7 they're in that coffee shop and the Death Eaters can find them there because they said Voldemorts name. Later they're in Grimauld Place where they say that name again and again, and even though the curse on the name is supposed to break down all defensive spells they are still not tracked. Might be because the Fidelius Charm is involved, but even then it should draw the death eaters to their rough position, even though they wouldn't be able to come in. But at least they would've known Harry and the others were in there and could've sent Shape after them? That kinda bothered me last time I listened to that part....
When Tom Riddle killed his parents, no one knew that Tom was there, as it wasn't his home. Even if they can see the magic is parformed but they can't know who did it.
Riddle got away with it because there was a wizard who lived in that area. (his uncle Morpheus). Harry was convincted because no other wizard lives in little winghing so it was obviously him who cast the patronus charm (according to M.O.M logic. It's a bit sad that all Voldemort really had to do was show up in Privet Drive cast random spells and Harry would've had his ass hauled to Azkaban but yeah. Sometimes Government policies be like that
Plot hole plot holes 1: a) You can't apparate over long distances,. b) Dumbledore NEVER teleports with Faux that was the movie adaptation. 2) the thickness of the basalix was never mentioned, only the length. Thickness was only shown in the movies. 3) You can't be magically be forced to give up the information, but you can be tortured to give up the information, if James was his one secret keeper who NEVER LEFT THE HOUSE, no one would ever be able to find them (this one is a stretch, I thought it was odd too) 4) veritaserum has an antidote never explained how It works if it can be taken before or after. also, it's susceptible to what someone believes to be true 5) will give you this one. 6) you butchered those names, parseltongue is a language. 7) it was never said that hermonie used a memory charm on her parents, there are many charms that affect how people behave without actually being a memory charm, confundus comes to mind.
I think with Bill being his own secret keeper is just given the circumstances, during this time there's very few people who can be trusted and it is just the two of them, so if Bill gets captured he can keep Fleur safe. With James or Lily, they have a baby to protect and should stick together at all costs because it's easier to keep Harry safe with two people, and if James gets captured he would leave Lily and Harry vulnerable without more protection that is necessary when raising a literal infant.
Well, he could learn to understand it over the years. Kind of like how Ron figured out how to repeat it phonetically to open the chamber of secrets in book 7, then when telling Harry about it Harry only heard hissing and sputtering. Ron figured out what "open" translated to and it worked, I'd imagine Dumbledore firgured out more to at least get the gist of the conversation.
Oof! That was painful. One of my most nagging plot holes is in book two. No adult in fifty years thought to ask Moaning Myrtle how she died. Even right after it happened...... Side note: there is evidence in books 2 and 7 that ghosts are subject and participant in legal proceedings. I'm sure there is precedent for her testifying in her own murder trial.
I feel that this is a better pothole than the one she brings up of pipes being huge. As Salazar Slitherin was there for construction of the school, and could have cast spells to allow them to be bigger on the inside than outside and it could even have seemed rational to the other founders as this would help with water flow and keeping the sanitation clear. Also is there evidence that the Basilisk in the book was anywhere near as large as the one in the movie? I mean a large snake like the one in the first book would still be very scary and fast especially if it could kill with a glance and would fit through slightly large pipes like ones at a large castle.
yeah! she totally answered that one herself. Why would Dumbledore take the slowest route to answer an urgent call from the ministry? Obviously to take the slowest route to the ministry.
This is not a plot hole but is something that consistently messes with my mind. Moody. He is a character who is, I think, pretty consistently liked by everyone. He's this grumpy old guy who is super blunt but honest and treats the students like the young adults they are and acknowledges the dire circumstances they find themselves in. We love him. BUT! When we develop those feelings for him, he's actually Barty Crouch jr the whole time. So is it actually Barty we like? Or Moody? Or Barty's version of Moody? See, messes with my head! X
I never thought of that but it makes sense I always did like book 4 but I found it felt very strained with the relationship drama like Ron is supposed to be loyal but he ditches Harry (I give him a pass in book 7 because it was a difficult journey and he had to do a lot to befriend Them again) but in book 4 it was like yah let’s be friends again idk it felt wired
I mean I know it doesn’t completely answer the question but he had Moody trapped in a trunk. And I’m feeling like in order for him to have done so he may have been stalking him for quiet a while. Long enough to take notes on his specific mannerisms and speech. Enough to not raise too much suspicion.
I was up Moody Bean Barty Crouch jr. The entire year, was one of the biggest plot holes that really damaged book for in my opinion. If Barty Crouch could have kidnapped and Polyjuice himself into Moody somewhere in the middle of the year, then I think it would have been a better story and made our love for Moody's character a lot more real.
The basilisk was technically not described in the book as anything more than a large snake. The plot hole is more a problem with the movie than the book.
makes sense, as according to general lore I dont think basilisks were ever portrayed as giant snakes. in fact more often as some kind of lizard. So making it a general big snake, not a behemoth, makes sense. Like why would you need to evolve to become massive, if you already kill stuff with your gaze.
When they found the skin, it was indicated that the creature would have been at least 20ft long. That's about 6m which, while long, is not much longer than the king cobra and there are anacondas of comparable size. So it's fully possible that, while large, it may not have been much longer than anything that exists in nature. It is almost certain that it was of greater girth than any normal snake, though, as Myrtle described it as having large yellow eyes. Snakes are generally slender with small heads and eyes, so the basilisk would likely have needed a much bigger head to accommodate large eyes and a thicker body to accommodate its head. Also, Harry drove a sword through its skull all the way to the hilt, and the snake punctured his arm, not his hand. That would be one hell of an achievement if the creature's head was the size of a king cobra or anaconda.
She was also talking about the play and not the book which hasn't been criticized as much, if at all, by people who have seen it, though I do get it the point.
@@RachaelTheRed The play was also praised as being well performed and done. I wouldn't know why other than people saying reading a script is different than seeing it performed and that I agree with.
I don’t understand why people hate crimes of grindelwald more than that piece of shit lmao. Crimes of grindelwald was a bit incohesive but still enjoyable, cursed child was an absolutely ridiculous mess, why couldn’t we just have a fun book about normal stuff albus and Scorpius got up to at hogwarts?
Owls can find Sirius Black by magic when no one knows where he is, why dont the auras simply write him (or any other villian) a letter and follow the owl?
@@annatrefie that doesn't solve the issue, why didn't they try? plus they all know Animagus exist so if the owls go to a dog take the dog in, I mean even Voldemort could use owls to find his enemies 🤷♂️
This is MAYBE the one defenceable thing. I think the difference is that before Hermione only made her parents forget, or erased footprints. This time she changed their memories, which even slughorn couldn't do right.
..... How did Salazar Slytherin create the entrance to the Chamber Of Secrets in the Girl’s second floor bathroom,when he was alive several HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE THE INVENTION OF PLUMBING.
That sure enough is a good one. So much better than the video, thank you for that :) maybe he used the disign Romans did and improved it and was the inventor of toilets :P. Romans were much more intelligent than Catholics and had at least something like a sewage system. Or maybe he created something similar and it got rebuild with proper toilets and stuff and they just kept the water taps because they looked great^^? I dunno but I think JKR owns us an answer!
Slushi Husker If wizards are supposed to be hundreds of years ahead of normal people, then why do they still use old- fashioned trains to travel to and from Hogwarts instead of some super-advanced Bullet-Train. If anything, wizards are far behind in terms of technology, if the fact that Hogwarts is literally a CASTLE doesn’t show that.
They actually did, the thing is you and some other muggles broke the rules, so one of the proffessors had to erase your memory and send you back. Sorry bout dat
It’s mentioned in the fourth book that dumbledore understands several hundred languages, making it plausible that he understands parseltongue. But if he does understand it, why the hell was he just sitting around in Chamber of Secrets??!
I thought you could only understand parseltongue if you're a slytherin? Which would make it impossible for Dumbledore to learn it. That's why it was so odd that Harry knew it until we learned why he was the exception. But I could be remembering it wrong
The mechanics behind it are a little fuzzy... But in the 7th book Ron manages to open the Chamber of Secrets by mimicking Harry's parseltongue, which makes it seem like it is a language that can be learned by anyone. But the mechanics behind it seems like a plothole in itself, because there's no explanation behind why some slytherins are just born knowing it :)
Tiny correction, it's the descendants of Salazar Slytherin who are born knowing Parseltongue, not just any Slytherin students. I do believe it could be learned, like Ron in book 7, but I don't believe Dumbledore knew it. I am rereading the sixth book right now and just yesterday read that chapter with Merope, Morfin and Marvolo (fun fact, his name was changed to Elvis in the French version so Voldemort's name could make sense with the anagram in book 2). Dumbledore seems to know what is being discussed, but he already knew Tom Riddle Senior was Voldemort's father, so I believe he simple deduced the cause of their conflict, like he deduced so many other details.
Minor Plothole: The Thestrals. Harry cannot see the Thestrals pulling the “horseless carriages” until the beginning of The Order of the Phoenix despite having seen his mother die. Now it could be argued that because he was so young, Harry did not remember his mother’s death and therefore could not see the thestrals. He was however present when Quirrell died in The Sorcerer’s Stone having killed the professor himself. Now it could be argued again that because he was in unbearable pain, potentially having his eyes clenched tight, he did not see Quirrell die (source: TSS, Chapter 17, “He couldn’t see. He could only hear Quirrell’s a terrible shrieks and Voldemort’s yells of Kill him Kill Him”). It is explained in The Order of the Phoenix that Harry can now see the thestrals because he saw Cedric die in The Goblet of Fire. There are two problems with this fact. First, Harry did not see the thestrals pulling the Carriages at the end of TGoF on the way to the Hogwarts Express (Source: TGoF, chapter 37, “Hermione turned away, smiling at the horseless carriages”). And second, Harry did NOT watch Cedric die (source: TGoF, Chapter 32, “A flash of green light blazed through Harry’s eyelids and he heard something heavy fall to the ground beside him [...]terrified of what he was about to see, he opened his eyes”).
Cedric's was the first death he experienced because technically Quirrel evaporated or some shiz also it may originally have been a mistake but Rowling did mention that you need to have "accepted" the death in question before you can see the thestrals which did only happen over the summer as he was still in shock at the end of GoF.
The Basilik one isn't really a plot hole since space never really mattered in magic places. We saw tents hiding houses inside of them, bags and luggage that could contain whole rooms... Plus in the first book it is said of the castle that some rooms just changed randomly changed spots. In this context, I'm not really surprised by huge pipes fitting in what should be tiny walls 🤷🏿♂️
@@kombava7275 no salazar didn't built the pipes it was one of his descendents he also built the connection to the girls toilet the entrence was somewhere else bevore that
I believe the basilisk is not as big as shown in the movie. The book does not describe it as that big. Secondly, the pipes are mostly in the floors (as usually with plumming) and could be positioned insight the spiral stairs when going from one floor to the other. Room within spiral stairs can be quite big
YES Veritaserum is the most underused thing by wizard courts. Sirius was locked up for 12 YEARS when some truth potion could have released him right away!
Veritaserum can't actually force anyone to telm the truth, only what they believe it's true. Because Sirius believed he was innocent the Veritaserum couldn't be trusted.
Veriteserum ISNT ANYWHERE NEAR FOOLPROOF the ONLY reason it worked on barty is because hed been stunned & knocked out & the potion was administered on him while he was unconcious & THEN he was revived wizards can fake drinking it like harry did n front of umbridge transform it or employ occlumency 2 counter its effects theres just 2 many counters 2 it 4 it 2 b used n court cases
Why Harry never helped Ron to buy a wand in the second book? He has lots of golden money. That's a true nonsense. Edit: Wow, what a controversial topic. Thank you for all the comments, time and likes.
Because Ron would never have let him. The Weasleys are way too proud for that. Remember Fred and George refused to take Harry's money at the end of GoT, and Ron repeatedly tries to hide how little money he has throughout the books. He would never have taken it.
another plot hole: if they can reverse spells on a wand to see the lasts spells that were casted, they ministry could've done that to sirius's wand and he would be proved innocent.
Crouch was obsessed with catching Dark wizards at the time, and he gave the order to imprison Sirius without a trial. If they had held a trial for Sirius he likely would've been proven innocent. Not a plothole, just Crouch being a git
Basilisks are actually meant to be able to squeeze through tight pipes though, but what I don’t get is the GHOSTS. There are a lot of Ghosts who travel through the WALLS ALL THE TIME at Hogwarts, I’m surprised none of them ever saw it during the 2. Book. It would be so awkward if Peeves of something was just chilling going through a wall and the Basilisk Zoomed through him 😂
Number two: Remember Hermione's bag in book seven? Same spell could have been used for the pipes, after all: the larger the pipes, the lesser the chance of constipation 🤷
I'm pretty sure no one except Dumbledore and a few of the Hogwarts staff could make magical alterations to the school's layout. Ginny/Tom would've had to have enchanted all the pipes with the same type of charm, which doesn't seem feasible. Maybe you could put the charm on the basilisk so it distorts space wherever it goes, which would be pretty awesome actually, but that seems unlikely too. Maybe the big pipes were in the floor and the voice echoed up through the walls?
@@36moshpit7 but wasn't it Salazar Slytherin who started the whole basilisk-thing? A founder of the school surely would have the ability to make such changes.
@@maikenelissen3767 Yeah, I actually forgot Salazar created the Basilisk for a second. But that raises another question: if Salazar put Extension Charms on the school's entire plumbing system, you'd think some of the staff would notice, right? It wouldn't take much for a teacher or house-elf (because there's no way Filch cleans that entire school by himself) to do a routine maintenance check on the pipes or cast a couple of diagnostic spells and notice there was a little more magic at work then there should've been. Salazar definitely would've been more capable of enchanting the Basilisk itself, but then why not also make it less, you know, killable?
Number two is easy: in the books, the Basilisk actually isn't all that huge. The text describes it as "twenty feet long," which is the size of a large cobra.
It is never explicitly mentioned how long it is, at least not in book two. What we do learn is that its body is "thick as an oak trunk" and "He could see the vast, bloody eye sockets, see the mouth stretching wide, wide enough to swallow him whole, lined with fangs long as his sword..." seems pretty in line with what the movie version is portraying.
@@Znyggisen You sure about that? Maybe we read different editions, because I definitely remember twenty feet being mentioned. And Rowling has admitted she has trouble with numbers, so it's possible she wrote the things smaller than she meant to and backtracked.
@@bigfatcarp93 Perhaps, I could not find my physical copy (published b4 the films) but the quotes are taken from an ebook from 2012. I searched all entries for length/basilisk/feet and there are no mentions of length aside from it being a giant snake.
@@Znyggisen If the basilisk looked like he could swallow Harry whole, it may well be the size of an adult boa, since they could no poblem fit a teenage boy in them
+Andres Sanchez Because Salazar Slytherin put the Basilisk in the Chamber of Secrets, and therefore probably wanted a way for it to move around in the school. What I don't get is how it was able to get out of the pipes to petrify the students.
@@malinmadsen8527 yes! I completely agree. I'm reading a really good fan fiction of the second book (its called serpintine subterfuge) and there the walls have giant holes in them after every attack
I always believed Basilisk was actually around the size of a large snake, an Anaconda on steroids maybe. Then it would make sense for it to use the pipes to move around the school. This is more of a movie plothole, I think.
@@user-sm5sj6mg2t "twenty feet long at least." Is an uneducated guess from looking at a shredded skin from HP's perspective in the book. They grow up to 50 foot long and live as long as 900 years, yet this one is approximately 1000 years old so possibly even bigger since serpents don't ever stop growing and shedding until they die. That could have been one of it's shed skins from 600 years ago? We don't know.
Hermione never used obliviate on her parents. This is a book vs. movie issue. In book 7 Hermione tells Harry and co. that she bewitched her parents making them believe that they didn't have a daughter and compelling them to go on holiday out of the country. This is different from a memory charm in that the effect is temporary and is more akin to hypnosis, whereas we learn in book 5 that memory charms are permanent alterations to a person's memory. They can't simply be undone. In the movie, we actually get to see the scene with Hermione and her parents, (which on its own should be a red flag as far as book accuracy is concerned because Harry is not present - the books are always told from Harry's perspective with only a handful of exceptions; this is not one of them) and she literally says "obliviate", but this is not canon to the books.
Didn't she specifically make them believe they were different people from "the Grangers"? A family without a daughter. Which is a pretty clever way of bypassing the necessity for a memory charm! Memories of the Granger family (including Hermione) remain - they just think it's some other family and someone else's daughter. (What you said still stands though, I'm just adding on.)
Malcolm Muhammad, I think the permanence of the Memory Charm depends on the skill of the one who performa it. Lockhardt was particularly skilled with this, and apparently that’s all I think I know about them. But I agree, it was probably a combination of charms and not a Memory Charm.
@Tackle Box yep. Both Ron and Hermione have birthdays during the school year and would have turned 17 before end of term in year 6, which is kinda weird because other than during the lead up to their apparating license exam Ron and Hermione's birthdays are never mentioned. Does Harry never celebrate his best friends' birthdays??
Also, iirc, we never see her parents again after that, so if she did erase herself from their memory I guess it's not really a plot hole, just really dark head canon, but honestly I kinda digg it, like she knew she was giving up her parents forever but was still willing to do it to make sure they were safe. New head canon confirmed.
“Basilisks can grow up to fifty feet in length, squeeze into pipes despite their massive size, and their tough scales reflect most spells similarly to dragon hide.” I think that answers your question
Chase Ambrose Well a couple things I guess. I hate to say it but it sounds like a lazy defense but the Basilisk IS magic. It can go in and out of pipes because that’s just what it’s able to do. As for Moaning Myrtle, we know the Basilisk stare does effect ghosts so since she was never paralyzed we can assume she just never saw it (again that is-it did kill her) Also ghosts in the Harry Potter world are rarely altruistic. There’s literally nothing in it for them to give up information like that.
Chase Ambrose My philosophy with novels is if there’s a somewhat reasonable defense for a question even if it’s lazy that’s good enough for me and shouldn’t really be counted against the book. That’s part of the fun as a reader is engaging further with the text and imagining explanations. Plus if Rowling had said while writing “well it doesn’t really make sense for this massive snake to travel through these pipes like that” then she’d have to rethink the entire structure of her mystery just to solve a plot hole that you can dismiss by saying “it’s a magic snake” And also, the function of the Basilisk is to terrorize muggle-borns right? If it had just been eating them nobody would find the bodies and then there’d be no terror and it would probably just be *Harry Potter and the Set of Mysterious Unexplained Disappearances in an Otherwise Normal Year.* Myrtle has shared information before but only by a whim. She doesn’t really care she kinda treats everything happening like more entertainment for her. And she’s kind of a sensitive person and she is still a child so it’s reasonable she might not be interested enough to find out what exactly killed her. But again that’s all headcanon. Unless the book directly stated “Myrtle was an especially curious child and always liked solving mysteries” I see no reason to count it as a strike against the book.
The pipes in CoS is a pretty big plothole, sure.. But an issue with the entire mystery itself is the original victim of the Basilisk is literally a ghost who can talk to any investigators. How was the mystery never solved until Harry showed up and talked to Moaning Myrtle?
@@astrid2885 that works as an explanation until you remember people like Dumbledore exist in this world. The idea that Dumbledore gave up on asking Myrtle about her death because she moaned too much is crazy to me
@@TheMightofDab I didn't say Dumbledore gave up on talking to Myrtle. I said "people". Dumbledore never teased people, at least from what we know about Dumbledore after Ariana's death. I've always thought about it as classic Ministry practice. Tom accused Hagrid, Tom was popular, the Ministry didn't want to complicate things more as they didn't want anyone to believe the heir had come. Dumbledore after that had his mind on Tom even more after that event and that says something. Tom never opened the chamber again and Dumbledore thought that the problem would probably never become a thing again. I don't remember if he mentions it in the CoS or in another book, but Dumbledore has said that even he was fooled by Tom's charms sometimes.
@@astrid2885 I was using Dumbledore as an example of someone whose existence makes the fact that the Basilisk killing people was a mystery a plot hole. Myrtle was clearly not impossible to talk to, as Harry managed it.
@@TheMightofDab Yes, that's why I've talked about the Ministry practices. Even if Dumbledore or anyone else talked to Myrtle this would have been a mess and Myrtle if I remember correctly didn't say Tom Riddle's name (or I'm just too tired now to remember if she really did say it). Even if they knew about the basilisk what about the heir? I don't think that the Ministry would have let anyone believe the heir was trully in Hogwarts. Surely this is up for more discussion than the pipe problem, because that one might be solved by a spell, but Myrtle was a part of the castle and a couple lines about why didn't she talk to anybody before would have solved the mystery.
Almost every issue I have with this series stems from Rowling inventing new things for new books, then those cool things either never come back up (time turner) or break things in the past (apparition).
The time turning thing...... That was a bit much. The ramifications of such magic is too much. And who would trust that kind of power to a child?!!! I mean seriously?
Going to argue devil's advocate regarding Secret Keepers: It actually does make sense for James and Lilly to have a 3rd party secret keeper, so that other Order members could hypothetically be told the location in case they needed to contact, evacuate, or join Lily and James in hiding (or even just let them know when it was safe). Sirius, as their best friend, would be a great target for deception, and could potentially be tricked into revealing the location to a Death Eater disguised as an Order member or by some other means of trickery, while Peter was considered unimportant and less vulnerable to espionage (oh the tragic irony). In the case of Bill being his own secret keeper, the Order would've learned from their past mistakes and increased vigilance, which we do see demonstrated by Mr. and Mrs. Weasley checking each other's identities. This time they know the extra precautions really are necessary. CONSTANT VIGILANCE!
The other option is torture, the Imperius curse may not force him to tell the location but use the Crucio (sp?) on him and tell him that if he willingly gives the information for them to stop or let him go would get around it.
Also Lily and James couldn't leave the house. Who would do the shopping and stuff? The secret keeper would bring them what they needed like groceries and messages
i dont think that's how it works though... Using Grimmauld Place as one of our better examples- Dumbledore was the secret keeper- so he had to tell people the location, Harry had to read the address written down by him, and then they could access the house, but the people with access cant reveal the secret because they arent the secret keeper. For example, Snape was frequently in Grimmauld Place, but he wasnt the secret keeper, so he literally couldnt tell Voldy where it was, and that was perfectly fine and logical to everyone. Snape had been told the location by Dumbledore, but literally couldnt reveal the location to anyone else. So James or Lilly could have been their own secret keeper and just revealed the location to members of the Order, who could then access the house but would be unable to reveal the location to anyone else. right? To me, having a secret keeper stay in the location protected by the charm is a pretty surefire system for safety.
@@fenrir6002 This is what I thought. Technically you're willingly giving over the information in exchange for the torment to stop. I think 'forced' here is not clearly defined
11:15 Dumbledore doesn't speak parcel-tongue. While this is true, he's not looking at a regular recording of the event. He's magically viewing the memory of the event from the perspective of someone who DOES speak parcel-tongue. I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to assume the meaning of the words were embedded within the memory.
See, that explains the memory of Voldemort going to take the ring, but what about the first memory of Morfin's attempted arrest? Wasn't it from the perspective of that Ministry wizard whose name I can't remember? He didn't speak Parseltongue and he was bewildered when the Gaunts were speaking it, the meaning certainly wouldn't be embedded in that memory. Personally I think it's very possible that Dumbledore could understand Parseltongue. There's no indication that it's not a learnable language, and we already know Dumbledore can speak some really wacky languages (he speaks Mermish in GoF). He probably would've learned it once he realized it was relevant to Tom Riddle's backstory.
A Nintendo Fan Kinda Guy I disagree. Parseltongue is just snakes hissing, you either understand it or you don’t. However, like Hermione said, Salazar Slytherin was born a long time ago, for all it’s worth, Dumbledore could be a descendant of him
It seems more reasonable to assume Dumbledore was just wicked smart and knew many magical languages, including Mermish and Gobbledegook. I mean, I also happen to speak Spanish besides Enlgish, which enables me to understand plenty of Italian and Portuguese even though I can't speak those languages. I really don't think that Dumbledore being able to understand parcel tongue is that surprising or anything close to a plot hole.
@@possessedloneliness1253 the book FLAT OUT SAYS harry can understand them dumbledore says 2 harry i assume u can understand them & harry says yes of course y cant bob ogden(the ministry official) then harry looks @ the snake on the door & realizes theyre speaking parseltongue
Possible explanation for plothole 1: Dumbledore was sick of Fudge asking for help, so when he got a letter ‘from Fudge’ he decided to take it slow on purpose to put it off!
Hoganply - “Oh god its Fudge again! Can’t that man handle anything on his own? Ya know what? Fuck it, I’m taking a broom! No floo, no apperation, I’m taking the damn broom! Any time away from that incompetent is time well spent!” - Albus Dumbledore upon receiving the ‘Letter from Fudge’
He deliberately took it slow so that the trio could try their strength against the schoolteachers’ obstacle course. Harry remarks that Dumbledore knows what’s going on around the school when Ron and Hermione visit him in the hospital wing afterwards.
To the performing magic around Harry thing: I think that he wasn't charged with anything when other wizards were around him, because it was just that: other wizards. But when Dobby does it, I think the trace recognizes the magic as "not coming from another wizard" so it was assumed Harry performed the spell.
No in book 5 it is stated that there is no current record of any other witch or wizard living in Little Whinging besides Harry Potter by Amelia Bones at Harry's hearing. Unless the Weasley's told the Ministry that they were picking Harry up and taking him away, then there was no reason to believe that the Ministry wouldn't detect it and blame Harry even more for doing magic. The house elf thing is extremely annoying as it is canon that house elf magic is not equivalent to wizards magic so how can the Ministry detect any house elf magic at all even if it does occur near underage wizards? And why would they not accuse Harry of disapparating then as Dobby clearly does? Yes it's impossible to track WHERE a wizard apparates to unless you grab on to them, but the act of doing so should be able to be detected by the trace(especially since you apparently can't apparate without a wand). It's very odd.
i think this is explained in one of the books actually! it says that the trace just picks up magic in a certain house, small area, etc, but not who does the magic. if there are of age wizards there, it's assumed it's them, as they are expected to be able to keep the underage wizards under control. however, given that harry was the only wizard in the house, it was assumed to have been him.
I don't know if apparation is technically magic, but either way theyd know it couldn't be harry as he wouldnt have been taught it yet. im guessing its a pretty hard thing to learn yourself, especially for a twelve year old haha
@@abee2557 Yeah, but why wouldn't they come and investigate it? Harry is a top security concern for the Ministry too(Madam Bones says that the matter of records of witches or wizards living in Little Whinging has been closely monitored because of past events- clearly the Ministry knew it was possible other witches or wizards could have been a danger to Harry or would have tried to meet him given how famous he is). Apparation most certainly is magic especially if a witch or wizard needs a wand to execute it. Either way, no muggle can do it and it is accomplished via the witch or wizard's magical will/determination alone.
For me, there's actually a bigger plot hole for Philosopher's Stone/Sorcerer's Stone than the Dumbledore, Ministry of Magic section: the door on the 3rd floor that leads into Fluffy's chamber is said by Dumbledore at the beginning of the year to be forbidden, as it is extremely dangerous, yet the lock can be bypassed by a Year 1 student using Alohomora. While Ron does seem surprised at first by this, Hermione states that it's in their Standard Book of Spells, Chapter 7. If this is meant to be such a dangerous area of the school, then why not have it harder to get through the door, especially later, when the Sorcerer's Stone is placed underneath Fluffy's chamber for protection?
That is pretty weird indeed. Maybe the teachers sort of assumed none of the students would go near it? This way it's easier for Hagrid to feed Fluffy, or for any teacher to go in there if they really need to.
Well, that's nothing. If you want to protect a stone, why not keep it in a magicaly locked safe and put it in your office? Nah, instead they decide to create an absurd adventure labyrinth filled with challenges and riddles. It's almost as if they were expecting a bunch of young teenagers to go through all of them and so creating a typically juvenile literature-like experience for those students!
I mean the whole Stone-protection plan is pretty weird. I mean all of the obstacles the teachers put up where a bit easy and more like magic minigames. If they were really so determined to protect the stone then why the hell where there a plant that could be defeated with the simplest of spells, flying keys, a chess game and a logic puzzle? The only really good protection was the Mirror of Erised. All the other parts could be overcome by 1. graders - ok they weren’t regular first graders ( Ron Bering great at chess, Hermione Bering smart) but still I think the protections were a bit weak. This especially weird if you think about what the teachers of Hogwarts pull off in the later books… Mcgonnagal guides all the statues of Hogwarts, Snape invents his own spells and is able to fool the darkest wizard of all time, Flitwick puts up all these incredibly difficult spells to protect Hogwarts in the end of book 7 and so on. So why did they decide to make a magical minigame course???
The pipes isn't a plot hole to me, just maybe a bit ridiculous. But in the Chamber of Secrets, when they are driving to Kings Cross Station, Arthur Weasley enchants the car to fit his entire family and all of their luggage, and the car still is the same size from an outside view. It's not that wild to imagine that Salazar Slytherin may have done something similar to the pipes in the school. Even if there are giant pipes in the walls, this doesn't actually change the plot of the story, so it's not a plot hole to me.
I agree with the pipe thing being a little ridiculous. But larger pipes means less water pressure. So, theoretically, if the pipes were magically enlarged to that size, the water pressure would be noticeably weaker.
@@astrid2885 Yeah, but using magic as such mc'guffin device is annoying. Also, how in seven hells did that beast exist those pipes? It's not like it'd fit through a toilet...
Still doesn't change the fact that plumbing was invented (and applied to the school) centuries after Salazar built the Chamber. This means that whoever built the plumbing in Hogwarts was a Slytherin who supported the pureblood cause of Salazar. He was like "I'm building these pipes and enchanting them so you, Basilisk, can travel around the school and kill students when someone opens the Chamber. Here you go buddy"
Not a plot hole but it bothers me The sorting system is so weird, unproductive and even worse damaging why would you stick a bunch of adventurous reckless kids together or ambitious morally ambigious kids together? It only creates a mob mentality and prevents the kids from becoming clear thinkin individuals, if they refuse to adopt the "mob mentality" of their house then they become outcasts in their own house if they accept it then they lose their individuality and become just another stereotypical witch/wizard of their house.
Well, it actually works the same way in any school. People that are alike usually stick to each other, if you aren't morally ambiguous you'd *usually* stay away from the kind of people that exhibit that trait. And it isn't like the students don't interact with each other, it is book canon that the main characters have friends from other houses like Luna or Cedric and Cho (who were from different houses and involved in a close relationship). So what you are saying does happen and it's called 'peer pressure' but it isn't nearly as dramatic as you chose to put it, since for example Gryffindor's members have defining traits but they could be from another house (Hermione could be Ravenclaw, Harry could be Slytherin and Ron could be Hufflepuff), there is a really cool theory that suggests that to be in Gryffindor you have to [or need the courage to] ask.
As much as I enjoy the Potterverse, I wouldn't want to live there: Literally, anyone can do anything and without a witness, there's no crime Between casual shapeshifting, rewriting memories with a flick of a wrist, et al, the serial crime offenders must be legion. All one would need is a Muggle patsy and anyone over 17 could live a hedonistic lifestyle that would make Caligula blush.
yeah what is even the point of tracking minors using magic but not adults, they are the one who should be tracked, how can someone escape azkaban and not have any spell to track then ?
Voldemort wouldn't do an unbreakable vow because then he would be bound by the terms as well. He expects loyalty but wouldn't risk himself to remain loyal his followers
@@jpruedag How about ' i will not betray you '? Or hell, why not say it in a way that would work - ' will not do anything against the pureblood cause'. He is charismatic, and only needs to convince the starting group, the rest will join from sheer peer pressure.
I always just thought that he didn’t need to, he already keeps his death eaters under fear, they all know that if they leave he will kill them (we see this most clearly in book 7 with the whole RAB plot line) with the unbreakable vow if you break it you just die, maybe Voldemort prefers more cruel and torturous forms of killing to punish those who betray him
@@runelt99 He did, when he gave Petigrew his silver hand, it turned on him in a moment of doubt. it was just a flitting moment, but it was enough for the hand to betray him.
One of the biggest plot holes throughout all the movies is the Marauder's map, because Fred and George would've surely thought that it is weird that a guy named Peter Pettigrew was following their brother everywhere, including the toilet and his bed (also, Harry never notices that either)
i saw a theory which is that only the marauders can see other marauders on the map - which would make sense in the book (i think in the movie snape also sees them but i can’t remember exactly?)
@J.A.DinosaursMateStraightUp💙💚 i think snape seeing them was only in the movie but i’m not sure… if it was in the book then maybe it’s something to do with being in Animagus form? sirius would’ve been in human form when he saw and Peter would’ve been in animagus form when he saw
@@Emelineeeeeee He didn't know what was in the package. The letter that went with it read "If you ever need me use this." He assumed it was like a distress signal and so didn't bother opening it because he vowed that he would never be the reason that Sirius put himself in danger of going back to Azkaban. I do think it was a stupid point and would have worked so much better if it was a delayed birthday present that gets delivered at the beginning of book six to really rub the salt in the wound but it is at least explained, if not very well.
That's not really a plot hole. Harry wasn't thinking straight because he thought Sirius was in grave danger and it never occurred to him to use the gift he never used before until it was too late.
It’s also meant to be dramatic irony, Harry was being a dramatic teenager and the one thing that would have saved the situation is something he ignored because he was being over dramatic and now he’ll never speak to Sirius again.. it’s supposed to be sad
Harry was afraid it would somehow summon Sirius because he know Sirius was getting stir crazy. Hell, Sirius was actually depressed Harry didn't get expelled because he hoped it meant Harry would have to stay with him instead of going to Hogwarts. The last thing Harry wanted was for Sirius to get caught and get in trouble, so he never even looked at it. If he didn't know what it was, he couldn't be tempted to use it.
To the argument that "it's ok these are plotholes because Rowling changed it later on Twitter or Pottermore", that's a copout. A story should be able to make sense and be contained on its own. It shouldn't need the author to be filling in holes and mistakes years later over the internet.
@@Ajnaran Fixing plotholes and issues later on down the line is a really dangerous thing to do. Sure it can fill in gaps, but it could also turn into the same situation George Lucas had with the original trilogy. The re-releases of the originals came with all sorts of edits, and while none of them were major changes, the reaction to them was general outrage. Rowling has had a similar issue with her making changes over Twitter, such as making Dumbledore gay or saying a character is Jewish. While I don't see anything inherently wrong with adding diversity, I do think that, were she to release "updated" versions of the books years later, that fill in gaps and likely mention her additions she made over Twitter would only make people angry. An argument can be made that an original work shouldn't be tampered with. That being said, you're question is interesting, because what if that original work is flawed? Personally, I'd rather she wouldn't release updated versions of the books. While I do think Harry Potter has some glaring issues that should have been addressed when they were written, changing it now could only end negatively, even if those changes are positive. I think at this point Harry Potter should be left alone, as the work that it is.
@@jacksonlasley6621 Indeed, old plotholes could have been corrected as each new book was released, by a comment or two from any character but yeah, they should be left alone now.
I mean, Dumbledore can speak a lot of languages, including Mermish. I'm sure he just sat down and learned Parseltoung. If Ron could do it from hearing Harry talk in his sleep, I don't see why not.
Ron did not do it from harry talking on his sleep (that is movie filling) . Ron "made a sound" trying to imitate what harry says to the locket in parseltongue "open" It took him several tries and ron didn't understood what it meant.
@@jonathandickerson4696 its in the books. Deathly hallows. Ron explains how he and hermione got the basilisk fangs from the CoS to Harry on their way to the Room of Requirement
@@davidramirez4570 If he was able to imitate it, then it's sound he can hear. If he can hear it, he can learn to understand it. As long as he get's a translation from somewhere.
No, Dumbledore cannot speak parseltongue Only descendants of Slytherin (and Harry) can speak it. If he did know, why didn't he just enter the Chamber of Secrets and kill the basilisk, saving all the horror that it would unleash in the future? You seriously telling me he did not know where the entrance was, when he knew Myrtle died there and Harry worked it out as a 12 year old! 🙄
The plot hole in the 4th goes way deeper than that. In order to prove that Voldemort is really back, give Harry the truth serum and he would say the truth and we can get rid of the entire 5th book. Also, my biggest problem with the 5th book is that Hermione leaves hats out under garbage so the house elves pick it up accidentally. And yet: the house elves aren't hers to free, and the elves picking up clothing wouldn't free them: it is already stated that the elves do their laundry.
It was purposely suppressed for political purposes by Fudge,so why in the world would he allow it to be revealed? This also may be why the other countries didn't react to Tom. The US ministry kept telling them "Everything is fine,Voldermorts return is a conspiracy theory." Aren't corrupt government officials fun?
Never read Harry Potter in my life but a Basilisk kills by looking into someone’s eyes? Does that mean that a basilisks greatest foe is social anxiety?
I was thinking that too, but then that makes the question, what’s the point of having a secret keeper? Is it because it makes the other parties involved physically incapable of giving up the information except for the secret keeper? If so, the title “secret keeper” would be kind of a misnomer.
I don't think you can do that. I found this on Harry Potter fandom about secret keepers. The Secret Keeper is the witch or wizard designated to hide a secret by means of the Fidelius Charm; the secret is embedded in their very soul. Once a Secret Keeper is selected, the person who told them the secret will find themselves unable to pass the information on again, as the Secret Keeper is the only one capable of revealing the secret, whether orally or written.[1] The Secret Keeper can tell as many people as they like, but they must do so voluntarily and *the secret cannot be blackmailed, bewitched or tortured out of them.*
you could theoretically attack people the Secret Keeper loves for example Voldemort could attack Sirius' friends to the point that he'd spill the beans voluntarily. But ya know still strange
@@lizebrand but that is the problem. It SAYS it can't be tortured out of them, but people under torture will say anything to make it stop. If they decide that giving up the location is a better alternative to their current situation, then wouldn't that mean it was voluntarily giving? They could have kept enduring the torture until they were killed, therefore they willingly gave away the information. This is my whole problem with the secret keeper idea.
@@Joyfk Well if you torture someone for information you are forcing them to tell. Maybe the spell was created so, that it recognizes when unpleasant situations for the Secret Keeper are made by those who want to know the secret, and then prevents the Secret Keeper from telling it to escape the situation. That is my thought of course, I didn't create the spell. 😳
For the first plothole I believe that I have the answer to the question of why... though it is no less a plot hole. Simply that J.K. Rowling hadn't introduced (or thought of) any form of transportation aside from flying on a broom stick yet.
@@monnishp it is never explicitly stated how Dumbledore appeared on the corner of Privet Drive. However, it is rather unlikely that it was "apparition" due to his appearing being described as "[appearing] so suddenly and silently you'd have thought he'd just popped out of the ground" emphasis on the silently. Apparition is generally described as producing a large "Crack" sound and even the most skilled and powerful wizards still produce an audible pop. So it is possible that he was supposed to be invisible then suddenly visible..... Though It could have been some form of teleportation before J.K.Rowling ever thought of Apparition... its never said.
@@stephenrhoades8686 That's true. Reading the chapter definitely makes it seem more like he lifted a disillusionment charm rather than apparating there. Thanks for clearing that up.
The thing with Sirius makes sense to me, I always read it as you can't magically force a person to give up the location. So a compulsion charm or Imperious or even dousing someone with Veritaserum wouldn't reveal the location because unless a person chooses to give it to you it can't be said. But torturing someone is fair game because they'll reach a point where they choose to reveal the location to make the pain stop. Like, sure a judge would rule that choice was made under duress, but I'm not sure magic cares about *why* you chose something, just that it was your choice. So Sirius didn't trust himself not to eventually break under torture. That being said, it's definitely still a plot-hole with Bill proving you can be your own secret keeper.
@@andrewshearsby8125 I like that. Bill was also a Curse Breaker and so theoretically had studied charms a bit longer than the rest. May have been able to bridge a theoretical gap that they couldn't.
But Bill was keeping secret the location of Shell Cottage. Pettigrew was keeping secret the location of James/Lily +/- the location of their house. So it's not the same thing. Also, is it book-cannon that Pettigrew was also keeping secret the location of Harry specifically? Coz this seems like something the wizarding world might generally forget to do
@@elizabethgrosvenor153 I've never read anything to imply that secret keeping works on people and not solely on places? Everything we saw implies it's tied to a place since the concept was first brought up in regards to 12 Grimmauld Place. You read the location and know about that location. Edit to add: Like with 12 Grimmauld Place it was also "The Headquarters of the Order of the Pheonix" but that didn't mean that if they decided to meet at a muggle pub and call that the new headquarters the charm would transfer over. It seemed to be grounded on a physical locale
@@yuukinoyuki9064 I don't think that's true. I think in 'ordinary life' it would be used to conceal the location of objects like jewellery and other valuables to prevent theft. Every time we see it, it's been hiding people, but that's because they were in a war situation. They were taking ordinary spells and adapting their use. But for your muggle pub example, that would be a different secret, if they moved, so I understand that would need a different charm every time. As would the jewellery, I think
I think it’s also fair to remember that this is a children’s/YA series... not exactly on the level of Tolkien or George RR Martin’s world-building, and I don’t think it was ever meant to be :)
My family has been listening to the audio books since late 2005, we love them, but I only began picking up on some of the weird writing choices when I was in middleschool(like 2013). And you know what? I still love them.
World building is a component of writing but you can tell that even though the series overall was preaty well writen that when J.K Rowling was forced to have to build the framework for a fantasy world that she fell a bit short of effectly doing that.Fantasy world building is a challenge that you are forced to take on when you write a fantasy book and like I said there are many ways in which J.K Rowling fell short of effectively doing that.
I just can't get over the fact that in GOF, even with Barty Crouch Jr. disguised as Mad Eye Moody for 8 months, that Voldemort, or somebody else, didn't think to have something else disguised as a portkey, rather than the Tri-Wizard Tournament trophy. Why not a book? Or a quill? Or literally, anything else, since a portkey can be made to look like anything? Even if want to go with the whole "you can't operate a portkey inside Hogswart grounds" thing, couldn't Crouch have tricked Harry once he was off Hogwarts ground, like if he was in Hogsmeade, or something like that? There just had to be a far easier (and more inconspicuous) way to attempt teleporting him to Little Hangleton that didn't involve making him the fourth competitor in the Tri-Wizard tournament, and then guiding him to win.
garfield27101 the “you can’t operate a portkey on hogwarts grounds” argument is bad as the maze was on the quidditch field and that’s hogwarts grounds so ...
While still not the best solution, I think the reason they made the portkey the Tri-Wizard cup was to try and ensure that just Harry touched it. It is a lot easier to ensure just one person touches something as big and important as the cup then it is something as inconspicuous as a random book or quill. It would be be nearly impossible to ensure it wasn't picked up by any random student before Harry even sees it.
I also think that, convoluted as the plan is haha, they wanted to make Harry's disappearance seem like an accident, so they planned to use the Tournament as a ready excuse to explain his death since so many people have died during the competition in previous years
an interesting thought i have had about portkeys are that there is a specific time that the portkey will leave, like how they have to get to the mangy old boot in time or how in the seven potters part, some miss their portkeys and the random objects appear at the burrow without the people. But the Triwizard cup is different since it waits to be touched and also why was it programed to come back to hogwarts?? like Voldy planned on killing Harry so there would be no need for the Triwizard cup to be enchanted to go to the graveyard and back.
Maybe it was just voldemort specifying it to be all fancy like? Kind of like how he made all of the horcruxes these important and well known items rather than like... a rock. Ya know, same deal? Unless I'm mistaken. Seems right to me.
This isn't a plot hole, but I just got done listening to all the audio books again and thought about it. I understand that the reader has to learn about various things, and they're introduced through the main character, especially as the author comes up with new aspects across the series. But it really struck me this time: Harry never bothers to learn anything on his own. It's his 4th year into knowing about the wizarding world, and he's just now discovering what a death eater is, the dark mark either in the sky or on people's arms, the unforgivable curses, countless other examples. If it were me, I'd want to pull up news papers and textbooks to learn about the magical world in my first year. But especially if there was this insane wizarding war that ended because a dude tried to kill me, I'd be going through archives and old daily prophets soaking up every bit of information about the dude that tried to kill me and the war. But he's just like, "a guy tried to kill me? And everyone's so scared they won't even speak his name? That's crazy. Well, that's about all the info I'm interested in."
Harry having zero interest in the whole wizarding world is in fact the biggest plot hole. Hermione is what a muggle would be if they discovered magic and hidden world. Harry acts like everything around him is normal occurance but the boy spent his life in a fricking closet.
One of my favorite TH-cam tropes is "OH CRAP, I FORGOT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING BUT DIDN'T REALIZE IT UNTIL EDITING!!!" but usually that's resolved in voiceover or with text on the screen out of laziness. I like that you went through the trouble of shooting more footage.
you could add the same argument to the horcruxes at the end, they could have been anything but he had to make them matter and all the ways they were protected and hidden.
It's funny that she says that it doesn't count when jk Rowling goes back and fixes plot holes on Potter more, but the uploader can go back and fix things with editing ;)
About the parseltongue one... I feel like, since this is a memory of someone who does speak it, in their memory they can fully understand it, thus the watchers can as well
Also, Dumbledore interviewed Morfin after he was imprisoned for the murder of the Riddles. Dumbledore surely would've learned Morfin's and Marvolo's side of the conversation then.
Dumbledore can probably learn some Parseltongue (like Ron does). And if we accept that the Pensieve can do numerous things including allowing you to interact with objects in a memory, then it probably can translate things for you as well. I prefer to think of it as Dumbledore knowing some Parseltongue, and Harry understanding it because he can also speak the language.
Is nobody going to mention how Hermione thought she could free the house elves by leaving out clothes? Their not hers to free, for one, and it wouldn't work either way since it needs to be handed to them. I mean, the elves do their laundry! Really not sure what she was thinking.
It doesn’t need to be handed directly to them though. Harry didn’t directly give Dobby the sock. But he put it in the diary with the intention of freeing him. I don’t see why this would be any different with Hermione’s situation. Also what do you mean by “they’re not hers to free”. By this logic Harry shouldn’t have freed Dobby because he didn’t own him
@@jaimelannister1797 You appear to be making a critical mistake. Harry put a sock on the diary, Lucius Malfoy gave the sock to dobby. Dobby wasn't Harry's to free, but he tricked malfoy into doing it.
The stuff that always bugged me was wand allegiance. There were many duels and expelliarmus charms throughout the whole series, but they never ended in wand-loyalty-transfer until the last book. It can conveniently be explained away by wands having a mind of their own and being finicky, but it feels very obvious that it was just not invented until the last book(s).
I think her original idea was that was an elder wand trait..... To unlock its superior power. In the case of Harry also getting the allegiance of Malfoy:s wand. I don't think it was quite the same... That's not necessarily a plot hole. Besides there being a big difference between practicing and actually fighting, etc.... It is possible that wands are sort of semi sentient enough... That there could be a little something to defeat the wizard.... Get less resistance from the wand... Or the ones really sick of the wizard and likes the new person better.... The main thing of the allegiance was about unlocking the superiority of the wand from what I can tell. That's a minor thing....
What really bothers me about the pipes is that at some point the basilisk HAS to GET OUT of them to attack his victims! How the hell did it manage to kill or harm someone in a corridor where there is no apparent pipes????? I mean most of the characters are found in normal corridors which means that the basilisk would have to get out of the pipes somewhere and then just casually slide around until it finds someone, all of that remaining unnoticed???? Something that always bothered me was the fact that no-one objected to harry being part of the triwizard tournament... i mean the kid says he never put his name in there and doesn't want ro take part, he is clearly under age but somehow he HAS to participate???? Like noone can do anything for him? It's just a competition for f... sake! For the obliviate thing I always assumed that Hermione says that because she doesn't want to talk about it? But i can't remember the specifics so don't quote me.... And for the secret keeper thing I think that torture makes you willingly give up the info, because you want it to stop.... Loved the video ❤
Tom/ Ginny let the basilisk loose from the girl's bathroom, it didn't just go wondering on its own outside of the pipes. For the Triwizard Tournament, putting the name in the fire was like a binding contract- you had to compete.
@@simplysarah16 i get that ginny and tom supervised it in a way but it still had to slide around without no one noticing whilst it's huge.... and even though it's specified that putting a name in the goblet of fire is a binding contract i'm still amazed that no one was able to break that contract considering that A : harry was underaged, B: he never willingly put his name in there and C: people DIED during that tournament. It's just not the most logical course of event that happens throughout the books even though it is.necessary for the plot 😊
@@simplysarah16 Yeah, but who is making the rules for the tournament? Is there a spell that has some sort of nasty effect if Harry doesn't compete? It's never mentioned what happens if they allowed Harry to step out of the tournament. Not to mention, if Harry didn't willingly put his name in the goblet, then how is he bound to a contract he didn't sign?
@@mgnxcamille6850 All of the attacks happened in or outside of that bathroom. It's ridiculous that no one figured that out or just asked Myrtle - or that Myrtle didn't go to Dumbledore and say, "Hey, there's a girl releasing the monster that killed me - you might want to stop her."
Maybe when 'you put your name in the goblet of fire' and you get chosen by the goblet of fire its some sort of magical contract, sort of like the unbreakable vow, and if you dont participate you die or something.
I'm just wondering whether they could've made Harry a secret-keeper. I mean, it would be perfect. He could never give up the information, because he was a baby, and he could never give up the information willingly, because he has no real will at this point. Tragedy could've been easily avoided.
I think that becoming a secret keeper is similar to making an unbreakable vow, and you have to know and willingly consent to becoming the secret keeper. Which a baby cannot do, because as you say, he has no real will yet.
Thank you for this insightful video :) However, I have to put my two cents in: 1st book: As a minister, Fudge consulted Dumbledore on a frequent basis. Dumbledore might have been used to those "urgent calls" and wanted to ride a broom for a change. Take Harry for one, who hates traveling by Floo Powder. 2nd book: The basilisk has probably a width of only a couple of feet. Salazar surely constructed those pipes by himself and/or even added a widening charm, as we have read and seen it in many other scenes. 3rd book: I'm all with you on the secret keeping issue! 4th book: Veritaserum works best upon the unsuspecting, the vulnerable and those insufficiently skilled to protect themselves against it. As some wizards can prevent themselves from being affected, and others cannot, it is an unfair and unreliable tool to use at a trial. 5th book: The tracing inconsistency is a real problem. It may also point out the increasing corruption of the ministry. In book 3, Harry blows up his aunt and Fudge clears him from all charges, (to make it up to Harry) as Sirius Black escaped from their own grip "trying to kill Harry". In book 5, Harry enchants a Patronus to PROTECT Dudley and himself from Dementors but has to stand trial in front of the very same person - Fudge himself, who now is in strong denial of Harry's statement, that Voldemort has returned. 6th book: It's been stated that Dumbledore has learned Parseltongue after Harry's second year, to understand all the memories he collected on Tom Riddle. 7th book: There are different memory charms. Hermione used a different charm on her parents that substituted old memories of their daughter etc with new ones. Whereas the obliviate charm which she used on those death eaters, wipes out entire memories for good.
Cansu Oder I simply can’t believe that Snape, who was in at least regular contact for long stretches of time at least twice in his life with Voldemort ( both before and after his rebirth) would not have taken the time to learn parseltongue. He was a spy. Why not have that advantage? I don’t think it could be learned. I think it was something only the descendants of Salazar Slytherin could do.
I'm not sure, but with the trace one... is it not the problem he uses magic, but that he uses magic in front of a muggle? Like, that's what he gets arrested for. In all other times, there was no muggle around (if I remember correctly).
With the trace, I thought if magic was performed and there was an adult witch or wizard nearby it would not be triggered as it would be attributed to them (hence children from magical families getting away with underage magic). In the second book they thought Harry had done magic because he was the nearest wizard and it would not have registered Dobby since he is a house elf
I live in a country where 90 % of people are atheists, but everybody celebrates Christmas and Easter, in a non-religious way (gift-giving, egg hunts). Because everybody loves holidays, so I gues wizards do too. :) Also, kids from magical families go to muggle schools first before they start at Hogwarts.
Honestly this is one I've settled on just being that it wasn't mentioned in the story because it wasn't important to harry and wasn't important to the story. Hogwarts has many empty rooms, I'm sure more than a few have probably been taken over for religious services.
Honestly, everything around the time turner ist just the biggest plot hole ever. I always get annoyed by the fact that Hermione has charms and something else (can’t remember, runes maybe?) OWLs at the same time. This cannot be, then everybody taking the other class must have had a time turner as well, as charms is obligatory. Why would a school even do classes at the same time and with this make it impossible for pupils to attend? And when Hermione ditches 2 classes it suddenly turns out perfectly fine? Not logic.
EDIT: I posted my comment and then realised that you were actually talking about the OWLS. I haven't read it in a long time, but if I remember correctly, all the Houses passed their OWLS together, and in this case there is indeed a plothole and you're right, all the other students should have been given a timeturner, not just Hermione ! Sorry for misunderstanding your comment ! Each year of each House has its own timetable, with only a few classes being common. In their third year, each students has to study several new options out of 5 options proposed. So there can be several classes at the same time because all the students don't have the same classes at the same time (for example, the Gryffindors can have Charms on mondays and the Ravenclaws on thursdays). The problem with Hermione is that she chose ALL the options available and not just a few, so her timetable is completely messed up, and that's why she needs a timeturner. There's still a plothole, though, because when Hermione ditches Divination, she tells Harry and Ron that now she has the same number of options than they do, but that's not true: she has 4 (Care of Magical Creatures, Arithmancy, Muggle Studies and Runes) and they only have 2 (Divination and Care of Magical Creatures).
The school does classes at the same time because the children had to choose which classes they would like to go to. Just Hermione couldn't decide, because she is Hermione and this is how her schedule become overfilled and Why she needed the time turner.
If she had a normal amount of classes, which according to her is 3 electives, she wouldn't need the time turner. She would have just been put into another house's class for whatever class conflicted. It's actually possible that All of the Gryffindor third years chose to only take Divination and Care of Magical Creatures, so the professors put one of the other electives at a time when the Gryffindors had a core class. Meaning Hermione, the only outlier Gryff would have had to take, like you said, charms with another house. Of course, this becomes a plot hole because if Percy got his 12 OWLs, then he had to take all the classes, or at least pass all the OWLs for classes he didn't even take. If Percy didn't use a time turner, that means that a schedule could be made so that no class intersected. But, then again, maybe it just inconvenienced another student in another house, or forced a class to be later in the day than preferred by the professor teaching it.
@@anaisabelpais7389 He could have passed for classes he didn't take. OWLs are the wizard version of GCSEs, which you can do without having taken the associated class, although that might only be for languages.
So do wizards growing up in a wizard house just get more magic privileges and chances to practice magic? That feels like discrimination and places muggle borns at a huge disadvantage
Little wizard kids don´t have wands (at least not properly functioning ones), and also, if you as a muggle born are smart and practice enough, learning how to use magic in Hogwarts will be just as easy for you.
They still have an advantage. Wizard kids are exposed to magic from birth. They have pure blood privilege. Some muggle borns are probably better at magic than pure bloods but that doesn't mean wizard born kids don't have an advantage. They can still lose on easy mode.
It’s not that they’re allowed to practice magic, it’s that there’s so much legal magic going on in wizarding households, they can’t keep it straight. The trace doesn’t tell the ministry who performed that magic, only where. So they would assume magic coming from a wizarding family household is an adult. And that the adults can keep the kids from doing magic. But there’s still a hole.. why didn’t the magic mr Weasley, tonks, etc performed at the Dursleys set off the trace?
He appears as Bartemius (was that the correct spelling?) Crouch on the map, because technically that’s his full name and “Junior” doesn’t count as part of it. That’s why that scenario took place on the stairs, when Harry saw Crouch’s name in Snape’s office. That was the first time he noticed the phenomenon and then Moody took it immediately afterwards. And with all the panic from almost getting caught by Snape, he didn’t get to look at the map for a few minutes in between seeing Crouch in Snape’s office and having it taken from him.
In the book, Harry sees Moody/Barty on the map as "Barty Crouch" as he breaks into Snape's office for ingredientes for the Polyjuice Potion, so Harry got there to see what's going on and was almost getting caught by Snape as he saw Barty (as Moody) getting out of Snape's office. So the map did show Barty as Bary even when he impostered, it's not a plothole
I'm more baffled that Fred and George had than map for two and half years and never once questioned why there was a guy called Peter Pettigrew in their brothers dorm?
the thing about being forced into giving up the information is saying methods like the imperious curse, legilimancy, and veritaserum, things that take the info against your will won't work. but if your physically tortured and you talk, your willingly giving it up to stop the torture.
The one I have an issue with, and this is SO nitpicky, but in COS after the deathday party when harry hears the basilisk, H R & H run up and find the first writing on the wall and Mrs Norris. Everyone is leaving the halloween feast and going back to their common rooms, cornering H R & H. Unless im remembering wrong, they're on the second floor, so whY are the slytherins there when their common room is in the dungeons? also why are people coming from both ends of the hallway when they were all supposed to be at the feast and coming from one place? Unless there is a third end to the hallway for people to be funneling into, but then H R & H would have been able to escape. Like I said, nitpicky, but geT IT TOGETHER JK
The Slytherins part is definitely a plot hole, but the second bit can be explained by the moving staircases; there are multiple ways of moving about the school, so as convoluted as it seems students could plausibly arrive from both sides.
I think there was something in the books, that Dumbeldore proposed that they take Sirius, so mabey thats why they didnt ask, but im not even entirely sure that it wasnt just a dream i had as a kid :D
dumbledore offered to be secret keeper himself, but they went with Sirius. Also sirius wanted to lead voldemort and his cronies away from the potters thats why he asked them to change secret keepers with pettigrew because he knew no one in their right mind would think pettigrew would be given the secret.
Making Peter a secret keeper is still illogical. Suppose, if he was not on the voldemort side then also he was a friend of James and could be simultaneously targeted with serious, remus.
FYI this could be wrong because I don't fully remember every detail of the scene. It's just speculation but I think *Dumbledore was able to understand that conversation between the Gaunts in parseltongue* because the memory belonged to someone who could understand said language (one of the Gaunts). Imagine this scenario: I'm a portuguese wizard who was given a memory by a fellow french wizard. The memory consists of this wizard having a conversation in french with another person and then someone else passes by and says something in portuguese. So, I don't know how to speak french and the owner of the memory doesn't know any portuguese however, when seeing this memory, I know what the french wizards are talking about; but since the french wizard doesn't know portuguese, his brain can't catch what that person who passed by said, so to him it's just gibberish which in turn also sounds gibberish to me (like when Slughorn changed his memory so we couldn't understand he and Tom were talking about Horcuxes).
Newt I’d argue that depending on the clarity of the memory it might be possible for you, a hypothetical Portuguese wizard, to understand the Portuguese. Since we’ve seen that viewing the memory allows you to see much more detail than a normal person could remember (and even parts that they couldn’t remember since they shouldn’t be able to see behind them) it’s possible that the French wizard would remember the sounds well enough to be understood by a Portuguese speaker, though it might be difficult or garbled as the French speaker would likely remember them in terms of French sounds and the closest sounding French words, however this would be complicated and less likely in languages that convey information in ways foreign to the wizard’s whose memory it is. For example, an English speaking wizard overhearing Chinese likely wouldn’t be able to pick up on, or much less remember the tonality of what was being said, which can entirely change the meaning in Chinese. But that’s just my two-cent long winding ramble that kinda diverges from the topic
Dumbledore actually learnt it, it’s said it’s impossible to learn, but it really means that it is impossibly hard to learn, it would require years and years and years of study, probably just enough time from when the chamber was opened to when book 6 happened, over 30 years, for him to have basic comprehension skills
It’s actually really inspiring as someone writing a novel series that things can be so messed up and still be good. People ether don’t notice or let it go.
I remember letting some go. I remember a couple of them really bugging me. I missed others all together. For a moment I thought the time turner thing was cool, while the twist was happening and buckbeak was being saved, etc...and then that seemed ridiculous the more I thought about it... Forget about that kind of magic being way too big of a Pandora's box overall.... Even who would entrust that to a child!!!!? Even an honor student... That's just nuts. It's fine for children's story. But this turned out to be and everyone story!
Hermione had never used the “obliviate” charm, which erases memories. She used a memory hiding charm. She hid her parents memories of her specifically. She wasn’t erasing their memories, she was hiding her existence from their memories. Ron says that the death eaters need to be obliviated. There is more than one memory charm.
Well then it's all on the wording: video poster seems to think Hermione said "never performed a MEMORY CHARM" which is still wrong even with your correction. So does she say "never performed a memory charm" or "never performed Obliviate"?
@@LordofFullmetal So I just looked in the book and Ron says, "But I've never done a Memory Charm" and Hermione says, "Nor have I, but I know the theory." My understanding is that the capitalized 'Memory Charm' is supposed to indicate specifically Obliviate, which Hermione hasn't done before. What Hermione did do is create new memories for her parents and basically give them each a whole new identity - so she's never erased memories, she's only created false ones
I might be wrong, but I thought that it wasn’t hermione that said she erased her parents memories. I thought it was harry mocking her. This scene has always been so confusing to me. I can’t figure out who’s saying what.
#7: Hermione STATES that she has never performed a memory charm before, but it may be that she simply does not wish to admit what might be considered a nefarious and uncaring act.
Or she'd rather not think about it as it was and still is an extremely painful thing to do. I too think it has more to do with Hermione refusing to face reality than a real plothole.
@@thanushehehe7302 she still used the memory charm she just used it 2 modify their memories rather than erase them the memory charm has multiple uses just like how voldy used it on his uncle 2 make his uncle confess 2 the murders of voldys dad & grandparents
She told Harry and Ron exactly what she did with the memory charm on her parents (although I don’t think she called it a memory charm in this interaction) earlier in the book when Harry tries one last time to persuade them not to come with him hunting Horcruxes.
If you give up info due to torture, I don’t think that’s force in the same way. My understanding was that you can’t mind control them or drug them to get the info, but if you make them uncomfortable such that they willingly tell you to stop the pain, that isn’t force in the way the spell is concerned about. Like the person still chose to give up the information regardless of the reason for the choice. Regarding being your own secret keeper... yeah, that’s strange. I was surprised by that as well.
Well remember people could be updating these spells and the version the Potters used was an older version that didn't allow that function. Imagine spells being used over and over and someone is like "Oh if I move my wand this way the spell works a bit better" and then that gets explored till it becomes the new normal.
Weasley's skillset might be specifically tailored towards being good at this kind of thing. he's a cursebreaker, it might be close enough. also, thats wild speculation and so should be ignored.
#4 In book 6 dumbledore said something about he can't get the memory from Horacio by veritaserum. You can resist the power of potion if you know about it. But in Goblet Dumbledore made Barty to drink it while he was uncontious, so he didn't realize he had swallowed the potion.
Secret Keeper: the condition as described is to willingly give up the secret in order to break the protection. If you were to be tortured and then gave up the secret to end the torture, then you have willingly given up the information. Therefore, Sirius expected to be tortured and wasn't sure whether he would hold out under extreme magical torture.
@@readysetmood9473 Well, no. As with any security system irl, you really can't ever have perfect infallible security. The main goal is to make it difficult or time consuming to circumvent the security. Locks on your doors for example are useless against anyone who is deadset on getting into your house or car because they can always smash a window or even pick the lock. That doesn't mean you just leave your house or car unlocked.
@@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 that's a matter of opinion. Ultimately you choose to end the pain. I believe the books specifically mention the Imperius curse and Verituserum overwrite your will and therefore cannot be used to undo secret keeping, but torture was left somewhat ambiguous.
@@Drummerx04 jk clarifies on pottermore that the info CANT b tortured out of u & wdym matter of opinion the very point of torture is 2 coerce info out of a person
the veritaserum is an interesting one. at one point Fudge says "[Barty] Crouch may have *believed* Voldemort was back." which basically makes veritaserum about as useful as sodium thiopental.
it doesn't make you state fact, it makes you speak what you consider to be the truth. which means if you are under the effects of veritaserum and you are aware of it, you can deliberately spout all kinds of barely associated opinion and bias and have it satisfy the potions requirements of you. "What were you doing last night?" "I was at home, i made tea, i drank it. at 6 i had dinner. by 9 i was in bed, and i slept." "Good, you're not the murderer then." he is the murderer, it just happened between 7 and 8 and didn't lie. it requires careful questioning. follow up question then- can you use obliviate on yourself? can you have a friend use a fidelius charm to make a fact unspeakable to stop veritaserum?
1. Expelliarmus (used it LOTS of times) 2. Expecto Patronum (used it on Boggarts and actual Dementors) 3. Reducto (He taught this to the DA) 4. Point Me (He used this on the 3rd Triwizard Task in the Maze) 5. Stupefy (I can't specify a specific but sure he used this) 6. Riddikulus (Used in the Maze) 7. Rictusempra (Duel with Malfoy) 8. Wingardium Leviosa (Prolly the first spell he ever learned) 9. Impedimenta (Used on the Skrewt in the Maze) 10. Accio (Used on his Firebolt in the 1st Triwizard Task fighting the Hungarian Horntail and to try and summon the Horcrux while with Dumbledore) 11. Engorgio (Used it on a spider) 12. Reducio (Used it again on the spider) 13. Diffindo (Used to cut Cedric's bag and replace the cover of the Half Blood Prince's book with the new copy) 14. Confringo (Don't recall him using this but taught it to the DA) 15. Tergeo (Used it to remove dust in Bathilda's house) 16. Lumos (Used it a lot as well) 17. Nox (Of course he used it everytime he used Lumos too) 18. Protego (Used it during their DADA class with Snape) 19. Petrificus Totalus (Taught to the DA) 20. Alohomora (Used it on the Snitch Dumbledore gave him) 21. Episkey (I think he used it on Katie when her nose bled) 22. Reparo (Used it on his wand) 23. Rennervate (Used it on Dumbledore when he was unconscious while in the cave) 24. Aguamenti (Used it when he wanted to fill the goblet with water for Dumbledore) 25. Immobulus ( I THINK he used this but don't recall when) 26. Furnunculus (Used it when he was fighting with Draco) Then Snape's Spells... 27. Langlock (I think he used it on Filch or Peeves) 28.Levicorpus (Used it on Ron and tried to use it on Snape) 29. Liberacorpus (Used it on Ron to reverse the Levicorpus spell) 30. Muffliato (Used it on Madam Pomfrey and lots of other people) 31. Rictusempra (Used it on Draco and tried to used it on Snape) 32. That charm he used on Goyle (probably) that makes you grow your toenails very long 33. Confundo (used it on the Probity Probes at Gringotts) And of course the Unforgivable Curses... 34. Crucio (Used it on Amycus Carrow after he spat on McGonagall's face, and also tried to use it on Bellatrix) 35. Imperio (Used it on Travers and Bogrod so they can go to the Lestranges' vault) 36. Avada Kedavra (He knew this one but NEVER used it) I know he knew more but I'm ending it there.
@@timtam3730 yeah, I've seen that. I was actually thinking of putting it, but this list I made was focused only on the spells he used in the books. Maybe he did use it in the books and I just couldn't remember. I'm sure though, that he didn't use Confringo on the Death Eaters in the books P. S. I might've used too much "in the books" in making this reply. lmao.
Preeti Yadav the entire first book doesn’t makes sense if Dumbledore didn’t make the maze in propose. Literally, why do you have to hide an object under many traps that could be passed by agility and intelligence? I bet that he knew Voldy was coming for the stone and manipulate Harry and his friends into getting it.
Didn't Dumbledore somewhat screwed over the 5th years' OWLS in the second book for hiring Lockhart? I'm convinced he hired him just to expose him lmaoo
The major problem with the series is that JKR had no idea at all just how popular this universe was to become.The kids who loved it are already encouraging their own kids to enjoy it. And although that may eventually dilute, by then, HP will have become engrained into the psych of the population and will become as revered as Dickens or perhaps even Shakespeare. In my time as a writer, I once wrote a twelve book series and I can confirm that holding it all together without making any errors is very hard work! Love the channel, thank you. I am surprised at the low viewing figures though.
Yeah no. It wont be revered as Dickens or Shakespeare. Everybody knows Harry Potter is not a work of art. Im gonna give you a anime example, Naruto, which is not a work of art, is really engrained in the psych if the population, but its not revered, people have heads. Bleak house (Dickens) is a work of art, same thing for Twelfth Night (one of or the most intricate Shakespeare's play) for example.
William Drouin At least Harry Potter is entertaining to read. Dickens and Shakespeare have masterful command of language and story mechanics but their stories are boring and the characters have little depth to them. I personally think that being captivating and enjoyable with relatable characters is more important. Harry Potter also has a sense of magic that these stories don’t have. It will be a classic.
Ariel Steinsaltz Characters in Harry Potter dont have depth. Characters in shakespeare do. I agree some characters in dickens are one dimensional, but some have huge depth. If we're talking depth, nothing beat Leopold Bloom from Ulysses
William Drouin I haven’t read Ulysses, but even my AP Literature teacher said that it was incredibly painful to read. As for depth in Shakespeare characters... most of the men are driven purely by their sex drive, and the women are either damsels in distress or the cunning, manipulative one. The only one of his plays I’ve read where it feels like the characters really have depth is Macbeth, which is why it’s my favorite. As for the Harry Potter characters, the depth of the characters is what made me fall in love with the series. Harry himself is probably the weakest defined, but he still feels three dimensional to me and so do all the people around him. Hermione Granger, in my opinion, is one of the best literary characters of all time. Obviously the Harry Potter books aren’t masterpieces of language the way those other books are, and they don’t have the same metaphorical resonance or cause as much self-reflection in some cases. But I think there is something to be said for accessibility, and widespread appeal. What’s the use of a near-perfectly written book if nobody actually wants to read it? Or can understand it? Readability matters. I think a less perfect book read by more people is more important, because of its impact. And Harry Potter teaches good messages-including to children, which is part of why it has such a great impact. So what if the writing style, at least in the first ones, isn’t perfect? In my opinion, it’s one of the greatest stories ever told, and one of the most captivating ones. There is a sense of wonder that can’t be replicated. With the books I write and attempt to publish, I will certainly attempt to emulate Harry Potter more than, say, Romeo and Juliet or Great Expectations. Those books emphasize writing a good book. The Harry Potter series emphasizes telling a good story.
about the Trace: I feel like there was something about how the ministry is actually really negligent about the Trace, but they were watching Harry especially closely at a particular time. And some of those instances (Like Mr. Weasley) could have been cleared by the ministry. And since Dobby's a house elf, his magic may have been of a different nature. I really don't know, those are just the things that came to mind for me.
Mr. Weasley received authorization from the Ministry to connect the house to the floo network so they knew that he was picking up Harry so that plot hole is solved.
Adult wizards don't have the trance on them. They can be anywhere, the ministry can't follow a adult wizard and find out their whereabouts or where they performed any magic, so even if harry was close/around it wouldn't have mattered, I also believe that since Dobby was a house elf his magic was of a different nature so that's why the ministry thought harry had preformed underage magic
It's established that house elves (and other creatures) have different sorts of magic, which is why Dobby was able to apparate in & out of Malfoy Manor in DH while all the wizards/witches could not (similarly with Fawkes the phoenix teleporting Dumbledore out of Hogwarts in OotP). As to why Tom Riddle wasn't Traced when he murdered his father...it could be that wizard society has been growing more strict & the Trace became a thing later, or Tom was clever enough to find a way to dupe it.
yeah, maybe they were enchanted in such a way that they adjust according to the flow and size of the amount of waste...there were many students in the school if not including the staff and the castle was also huge with a number of floors and different sections. I don't know, there are many variables which are needed to be considered and such.
Pranav Ojha Yeah But that is just in the movie and was just really used to make the scene more dramatic. It never happens in the book so the extension charm is possible
@@bluu7964 we both meet at same point... And that is, it cannot be a plothole.... Reply me if u also think that this video is nothing more than a shit....😂😂🤣
@@pranavojha7251 She is plot holling her plot holes.. She says that if you have a big pipe, you need a big wide wall. No? Does Hermione have a really big bag to put everything in? No. Do the Weasleys have really big tent to put everyone in. No. Meh.
Answer to "plot hole" in Book 1: The government takes forever! Had they been expecting Dumbledore, things might have run smoothly. Since they weren't expecting one of their least favorite people to show up, who knows whom they had to send Owl letters to (some of which might not have even been in their offices, so they would have needed to track them down) in order to eventually say, "Mr. Dumbledore, your presence was not requested."
HisNeverland and how freakin lucky was it that no students died? They all somehow saw the basilisk through something. A reflection, a camera.. like really?
But what if Salazar Slytherin was a plumber?
lolol
Probably
But if the castle was originally built in like 900 or something, plumbing wasn't a thing then.
maybe the pipes are bigger on the inside?
Like tardis pipes :')
For book 2 you overlooked that there are spells that make things bigger in the inside than on the outside: Mr. Weasley‘s car was introduced BEFORE those wide pipes, later Perkins‘s tent and Hermione‘s bag. Thus there’s no plot hole, just an unannounced use of a rule that was established in canon.
Speaking of which, why do Weasley's complain about not having enough space in their house. They could simply enhance the space within. Its not like they dont have the magical ability
While the car was introduced before the pipes, that doesn’t mean that the spell used to make something larger inside than out had already been invented when Hogwarts was built.
@@86upsmaya its highly regulated by the ministry of magic, to preform charms on muggle artefacts and buildings making them to "obviously magical" would brake the statue of secrecy. but the borrow is held together with magic as construction is poorly dune then again mr Arthur Weasley´s has a criminal record after enchanting his car to fly so.
@@martintroberg8661 i dont think enhancing space is highly regulated by ministry and its definitely NOT criminal. Hermione does it on her PURSE, Perkins on his tent. And Burrow does not count as a muggle artefact. U could enhance the space of a room, surely. (The charm is undetectable -as Hermione says)
Classic case of show through subtext not exposition. I approve.
"Do you have to walk a mile to walk to your next class? "
🤔Spoken like someone who has never been to boarding school. Yes, you walk at least half a kilometer to your next class. That's normal.
Not even just at boarding school, completely depends on where/how your school I built. Ours was built into like three layers of a rather steep hill (Yorkshire) and it took a fair while to get from the music dept at the bottom of the hill to the maths dept at the top. Nightmare.
I needed to take a bus back then at my university to get to another Faculty, because my uni is very huge
Also like a boarding school, you might only take 2 or 3 classes a day.
In book 7 they're in that coffee shop and the Death Eaters can find them there because they said Voldemorts name. Later they're in Grimauld Place where they say that name again and again, and even though the curse on the name is supposed to break down all defensive spells they are still not tracked. Might be because the Fidelius Charm is involved, but even then it should draw the death eaters to their rough position, even though they wouldn't be able to come in. But at least they would've known Harry and the others were in there and could've sent Shape after them? That kinda bothered me last time I listened to that part....
When Tom Riddle killed his parents, no one knew that Tom was there, as it wasn't his home. Even if they can see the magic is parformed but they can't know who did it.
Number 2: Sirius knew Voldemort would *try* to torture the info out of him. Maybe he just didn't want to get tortured
Riddle got away with it because there was a wizard who lived in that area. (his uncle Morpheus). Harry was convincted because no other wizard lives in little winghing so it was obviously him who cast the patronus charm (according to M.O.M logic. It's a bit sad that all Voldemort really had to do was show up in Privet Drive cast random spells and Harry would've had his ass hauled to Azkaban but yeah. Sometimes Government policies be like that
Plot hole plot holes 1: a) You can't apparate over long distances,. b) Dumbledore NEVER teleports with Faux that was the movie adaptation.
2) the thickness of the basalix was never mentioned, only the length. Thickness was only shown in the movies.
3) You can't be magically be forced to give up the information, but you can be tortured to give up the information, if James was his one secret keeper who NEVER LEFT THE HOUSE, no one would ever be able to find them (this one is a stretch, I thought it was odd too)
4) veritaserum has an antidote never explained how It works if it can be taken before or after. also, it's susceptible to what someone believes to be true
5) will give you this one.
6) you butchered those names, parseltongue is a language.
7) it was never said that hermonie used a memory charm on her parents, there are many charms that affect how people behave without actually being a memory charm, confundus comes to mind.
I think with Bill being his own secret keeper is just given the circumstances, during this time there's very few people who can be trusted and it is just the two of them, so if Bill gets captured he can keep Fleur safe. With James or Lily, they have a baby to protect and should stick together at all costs because it's easier to keep Harry safe with two people, and if James gets captured he would leave Lily and Harry vulnerable without more protection that is necessary when raising a literal infant.
Q- How did Dumbledore understand Parseltongue?
Answer- He used Subtitles
Surely you mean... ss-ss-subtitles.
@@PhantomGreyfire haha 😂
Well, he could learn to understand it over the years.
Kind of like how Ron figured out how to repeat it phonetically to open the chamber of secrets in book 7, then when telling Harry about it Harry only heard hissing and sputtering. Ron figured out what "open" translated to and it worked, I'd imagine Dumbledore firgured out more to at least get the gist of the conversation.
Maybe he had a Babel fish is his ear.
I assumed this was the book telling us he could understand it. He did learn mermish so why not snakish
Number one is easy: a wizard is never late nor is he early he arrives precisely when he means to
Wrong wizard, thats a real wizard
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Chino Wantan well I spose Rowling didn’t write about flu powder or apparation until book 2
Give this man a medal 🏅
I understood that reference
Oof! That was painful. One of my most nagging plot holes is in book two. No adult in fifty years thought to ask Moaning Myrtle how she died. Even right after it happened...... Side note: there is evidence in books 2 and 7 that ghosts are subject and participant in legal proceedings. I'm sure there is precedent for her testifying in her own murder trial.
I reckon she was so annoying no one wanted to engage in conversation. We all know someone like that
Did we always had these ghost? Should I be worried? Nah, it's fine.
I feel that this is a better pothole than the one she brings up of pipes being huge. As Salazar Slitherin was there for construction of the school, and could have cast spells to allow them to be bigger on the inside than outside and it could even have seemed rational to the other founders as this would help with water flow and keeping the sanitation clear. Also is there evidence that the Basilisk in the book was anywhere near as large as the one in the movie? I mean a large snake like the one in the first book would still be very scary and fast especially if it could kill with a glance and would fit through slightly large pipes like ones at a large castle.
well all she saw is two yellow eyes so...
i think its canon they cant remember there deaths not 100% sure though
I always thought Dumbledore's flying to the Ministry was meant as a subtle insult to the Ministry of Magic.
ian laedtke how?
@@alinecosac4887 As in he doesn't care about Ministry emergencies.
@@clbmurat or he had to wait for administration to allow him to see the minister in question :)
yeah! she totally answered that one herself. Why would Dumbledore take the slowest route to answer an urgent call from the ministry? Obviously to take the slowest route to the ministry.
The real reason why he flew is because other forms of magical transportation weren't invented yet. The first time floo powder is mentioned is CoS.
This is not a plot hole but is something that consistently messes with my mind. Moody. He is a character who is, I think, pretty consistently liked by everyone. He's this grumpy old guy who is super blunt but honest and treats the students like the young adults they are and acknowledges the dire circumstances they find themselves in. We love him. BUT! When we develop those feelings for him, he's actually Barty Crouch jr the whole time. So is it actually Barty we like? Or Moody? Or Barty's version of Moody? See, messes with my head! X
I never thought of that but it makes sense I always did like book 4 but I found it felt very strained with the relationship drama like Ron is supposed to be loyal but he ditches Harry (I give him a pass in book 7 because it was a difficult journey and he had to do a lot to befriend Them again) but in book 4 it was like yah let’s be friends again idk it felt wired
This has always bothered me a bit too.
I mean I know it doesn’t completely answer the question but he had Moody trapped in a trunk. And I’m feeling like in order for him to have done so he may have been stalking him for quiet a while. Long enough to take notes on his specific mannerisms and speech. Enough to not raise too much suspicion.
I was up Moody Bean Barty Crouch jr. The entire year, was one of the biggest plot holes that really damaged book for in my opinion. If Barty Crouch could have kidnapped and Polyjuice himself into Moody somewhere in the middle of the year, then I think it would have been a better story and made our love for Moody's character a lot more real.
@@chuckwieser7622 so true, but Barty would have had to be around to get Harry into the tournament etc
The basilisk was technically not described in the book as anything more than a large snake. The plot hole is more a problem with the movie than the book.
makes sense, as according to general lore I dont think basilisks were ever portrayed as giant snakes. in fact more often as some kind of lizard. So making it a general big snake, not a behemoth, makes sense. Like why would you need to evolve to become massive, if you already kill stuff with your gaze.
The real plot hole with the basilisk is: How was it surviving for all these centuries? Don't basilisks need to eat?
@@PhilBagels wasn't there lots of animal bones in the chamber
When they found the skin, it was indicated that the creature would have been at least 20ft long. That's about 6m which, while long, is not much longer than the king cobra and there are anacondas of comparable size. So it's fully possible that, while large, it may not have been much longer than anything that exists in nature.
It is almost certain that it was of greater girth than any normal snake, though, as Myrtle described it as having large yellow eyes. Snakes are generally slender with small heads and eyes, so the basilisk would likely have needed a much bigger head to accommodate large eyes and a thicker body to accommodate its head.
Also, Harry drove a sword through its skull all the way to the hilt, and the snake punctured his arm, not his hand. That would be one hell of an achievement if the creature's head was the size of a king cobra or anaconda.
Dont they find the snakes skin which is about 40 feet long, in the book?
When people say that everything that JK Rowling writes about Harry Potter is canon I have to disagree because she said The Cursed Child is canon...
Agreed. Death of the author baby!
She was also talking about the play and not the book which hasn't been criticized as much, if at all, by people who have seen it, though I do get it the point.
@@Buffy8Fan the book is the screenplay of the stage play...it's basically the script.
@@RachaelTheRed The play was also praised as being well performed and done. I wouldn't know why other than people saying reading a script is different than seeing it performed and that I agree with.
I don’t understand why people hate crimes of grindelwald more than that piece of shit lmao. Crimes of grindelwald was a bit incohesive but still enjoyable, cursed child was an absolutely ridiculous mess, why couldn’t we just have a fun book about normal stuff albus and Scorpius got up to at hogwarts?
Owls can find Sirius Black by magic when no one knows where he is, why dont the auras simply write him (or any other villian) a letter and follow the owl?
oh boy ! you re right ! :o
Detective Pecky is on the case!
They don't know Sirius is an Animagus. So they would only find a dog.
@@annatrefie that doesn't solve the issue, why didn't they try? plus they all know Animagus exist so if the owls go to a dog take the dog in, I mean even Voldemort could use owls to find his enemies 🤷♂️
@@rkinczel Kingsley was the auror in charge to track Sirius in the ministry but since he was in the order, he manipulated the search for Sirius.
Lol, hermione forgot about casting her memory charm. SHE FORGOT
This is MAYBE the one defenceable thing. I think the difference is that before Hermione only made her parents forget, or erased footprints. This time she changed their memories, which even slughorn couldn't do right.
She forgot about the charm I forgot about the charm it's a very forgettable charm
or she lied because she didn't want to do it again since it was a bad memory
Well, Hermione kind of forgot about casting her memory charm but memory charm certainly didn't forget about her :D
@@zoewolfe4267 I think that's probably the explanation and it's also reliable, she literally lost her parents and can't see them again.
..... How did Salazar Slytherin create the entrance to the Chamber Of Secrets in the Girl’s second floor bathroom,when he was alive several HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE THE INVENTION OF PLUMBING.
That sure enough is a good one. So much better than the video, thank you for that :) maybe he used the disign Romans did and improved it and was the inventor of toilets :P. Romans were much more intelligent than Catholics and had at least something like a sewage system. Or maybe he created something similar and it got rebuild with proper toilets and stuff and they just kept the water taps because they looked great^^? I dunno but I think JKR owns us an answer!
Because magic.
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A wizard did it
Wizards were always super advanced. Look at the shop opening dates in Diagon alley in the movies...
Slushi Husker If wizards are supposed to be hundreds of years ahead of normal people, then why do they still use old- fashioned trains to travel to and from Hogwarts instead of some super-advanced Bullet-Train. If anything, wizards are far behind in terms of technology, if the fact that Hogwarts is literally a CASTLE doesn’t show that.
I’ve got a plot hole: how they forget to include me in the story and forgot to send me my Hogwarts letter
this comment just missed the mark
Same
Welcome to the club😭😭😭
They actually did, the thing is you and some other muggles broke the rules, so one of the proffessors had to erase your memory and send you back. Sorry bout dat
@@Jeremy73950 bruh now i have depression coz of this comment
It’s mentioned in the fourth book that dumbledore understands several hundred languages, making it plausible that he understands parseltongue. But if he does understand it, why the hell was he just sitting around in Chamber of Secrets??!
I thought you could only understand parseltongue if you're a slytherin? Which would make it impossible for Dumbledore to learn it. That's why it was so odd that Harry knew it until we learned why he was the exception. But I could be remembering it wrong
The mechanics behind it are a little fuzzy... But in the 7th book Ron manages to open the Chamber of Secrets by mimicking Harry's parseltongue, which makes it seem like it is a language that can be learned by anyone. But the mechanics behind it seems like a plothole in itself, because there's no explanation behind why some slytherins are just born knowing it :)
Enjoyed the video, btw :)
Enjoyed the video, btw :)
Tiny correction, it's the descendants of Salazar Slytherin who are born knowing Parseltongue, not just any Slytherin students. I do believe it could be learned, like Ron in book 7, but I don't believe Dumbledore knew it.
I am rereading the sixth book right now and just yesterday read that chapter with Merope, Morfin and Marvolo (fun fact, his name was changed to Elvis in the French version so Voldemort's name could make sense with the anagram in book 2). Dumbledore seems to know what is being discussed, but he already knew Tom Riddle Senior was Voldemort's father, so I believe he simple deduced the cause of their conflict, like he deduced so many other details.
Minor Plothole: The Thestrals. Harry cannot see the Thestrals pulling the “horseless carriages” until the beginning of The Order of the Phoenix despite having seen his mother die. Now it could be argued that because he was so young, Harry did not remember his mother’s death and therefore could not see the thestrals. He was however present when Quirrell died in The Sorcerer’s Stone having killed the professor himself. Now it could be argued again that because he was in unbearable pain, potentially having his eyes clenched tight, he did not see Quirrell die (source: TSS, Chapter 17, “He couldn’t see. He could only hear Quirrell’s a terrible shrieks and Voldemort’s yells of Kill him Kill Him”). It is explained in The Order of the Phoenix that Harry can now see the thestrals because he saw Cedric die in The Goblet of Fire. There are two problems with this fact. First, Harry did not see the thestrals pulling the Carriages at the end of TGoF on the way to the Hogwarts Express (Source: TGoF, chapter 37, “Hermione turned away, smiling at the horseless carriages”). And second, Harry did NOT watch Cedric die (source: TGoF, Chapter 32, “A flash of green light blazed through Harry’s eyelids and he heard something heavy fall to the ground beside him [...]terrified of what he was about to see, he opened his eyes”).
Cedric's was the first death he experienced because technically Quirrel evaporated or some shiz also it may originally have been a mistake but Rowling did mention that you need to have "accepted" the death in question before you can see the thestrals which did only happen over the summer as he was still in shock at the end of GoF.
That's a very good point and something I've always wondered.
They said you have to see and LIVED the death . Somebody made on that one a video :) thats why he didnt see it before
Anna Pedersenová could you post a link to that video please
quirrel had voldy in the back of his head... and voldy didnt die.
The Basilik one isn't really a plot hole since space never really mattered in magic places. We saw tents hiding houses inside of them, bags and luggage that could contain whole rooms... Plus in the first book it is said of the castle that some rooms just changed randomly changed spots. In this context, I'm not really surprised by huge pipes fitting in what should be tiny walls 🤷🏿♂️
And no one mentions the giant hole from the third floor i mean does it reach through all rooms beneath it no it doesnt its only in the third floor
Yes, and to answer her retorical question, "who built those pipes" : Salazar Slitherin obviously, and he made sure his pet could travel through it
@@kombava7275 no salazar didn't built the pipes it was one of his descendents he also built the connection to the girls toilet the entrence was somewhere else bevore that
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I believe the basilisk is not as big as shown in the movie. The book does not describe it as that big. Secondly, the pipes are mostly in the floors (as usually with plumming) and could be positioned insight the spiral stairs when going from one floor to the other. Room within spiral stairs can be quite big
To be fair wizard architecture has never been very practical
THIS!! The weasley house, how in any way is that practical? Just running down the stairs could cause the house to fall down!
Not a fan of the vanishing steps are you? Lol
‘Keep an eye on the staircases. They like to cha-ange.’
@@j.d.529 The vanishing steps and the moving staircases are probably methods to weed out the dumbest of the student body. Early Darwinism.
@@TheYasmineFlower 😆
Magical pipes bigger on the inside, pretty standard Harry Potter lore
I thought the same :)
Clearly its made from that T.A.R.D.I.S material! #thedoctoriseverywhere
But why are there pipes in the first place
Yea that doesnt seem like a plot hole to me. Of course slytherin could have magically made the pipes undetectabley bigger so his snake could use them.
@Samurai Jack actually you can make water, aguamenti, literally the water conjuring spell
YES Veritaserum is the most underused thing by wizard courts. Sirius was locked up for 12 YEARS when some truth potion could have released him right away!
Veritaserum can't actually force anyone to telm the truth, only what they believe it's true. Because Sirius believed he was innocent the Veritaserum couldn't be trusted.
For me the most underused potion was felix felicis (excuse the spelling), imo it was as broken as avadakedabra.
Veriteserum ISNT ANYWHERE NEAR FOOLPROOF the ONLY reason it worked on barty is because hed been stunned & knocked out & the potion was administered on him while he was unconcious & THEN he was revived wizards can fake drinking it like harry did n front of umbridge transform it or employ occlumency 2 counter its effects theres just 2 many counters 2 it 4 it 2 b used n court cases
Sirius could have been an Occlumens
Heck why didn't anyone use some sort of time turner to see what happened?
In the book Hermione didn't erase her parent's memories, she modified them
Lauren Camila i was going to comment this, they just put that in the movie it is not in the book.
So when she says obliviate in the movie that was a mistake/change from the directors?
@@evangelion8793 Yes it is
Yes but that's still a memory charm
@@bloodtasteslikecookies6640 Yes,but the memory charm in the movies permanently erased the memories whereas in the books it was temporary
Why Harry never helped Ron to buy a wand in the second book? He has lots of golden money.
That's a true nonsense.
Edit: Wow, what a controversial topic. Thank you for all the comments, time and likes.
Because Ron would never have let him. The Weasleys are way too proud for that. Remember Fred and George refused to take Harry's money at the end of GoT, and Ron repeatedly tries to hide how little money he has throughout the books. He would never have taken it.
@@botanybayful GoF, not GoT
@TheSassi42 he meant game of thrones 😂
@@TheSassi14 Duh, thanks for the correction! 😂
@@fabiocicm Rons wand that broke used to belong to his brother Charlie
another plot hole: if they can reverse spells on a wand to see the lasts spells that were casted, they ministry could've done that to sirius's wand and he would be proved innocent.
Wands are not registered in Europe, so they wouldn't do it because he could've gotten another wand for himself
Didn't they accuse him of using a gun? A muggle weapon?
He wasn’t given a trial.
Crouch was obsessed with catching Dark wizards at the time, and he gave the order to imprison Sirius without a trial. If they had held a trial for Sirius he likely would've been proven innocent. Not a plothole, just Crouch being a git
@@SennaHawx He blew up a street.
Basilisks are actually meant to be able to squeeze through tight pipes though, but what I don’t get is the GHOSTS.
There are a lot of Ghosts who travel through the WALLS ALL THE TIME at Hogwarts, I’m surprised none of them ever saw it during the 2. Book. It would be so awkward if Peeves of something was just chilling going through a wall and the Basilisk Zoomed through him 😂
Thats a good theory but if they saw the basilisks eyes then they would be petrified
@@rileycook7686 Ghosts can't be killed though)
@@leeisloveleeislife5074 thats why they said 'petrified'. there's precedent with nearly headless nick, who was a victim of the basilisk as well
I can't remember if it's in the book, but Nearly Headless Nick got petrified in the movie. I only remember because of how goofy it looked lol
This is a book spoiler video!
Number two: Remember Hermione's bag in book seven? Same spell could have been used for the pipes, after all: the larger the pipes, the lesser the chance of constipation 🤷
bruh this is actually genius
@Patrick McCormack thanks😁
I'm pretty sure no one except Dumbledore and a few of the Hogwarts staff could make magical alterations to the school's layout. Ginny/Tom would've had to have enchanted all the pipes with the same type of charm, which doesn't seem feasible. Maybe you could put the charm on the basilisk so it distorts space wherever it goes, which would be pretty awesome actually, but that seems unlikely too. Maybe the big pipes were in the floor and the voice echoed up through the walls?
@@36moshpit7 but wasn't it Salazar Slytherin who started the whole basilisk-thing? A founder of the school surely would have the ability to make such changes.
@@maikenelissen3767 Yeah, I actually forgot Salazar created the Basilisk for a second. But that raises another question: if Salazar put Extension Charms on the school's entire plumbing system, you'd think some of the staff would notice, right? It wouldn't take much for a teacher or house-elf (because there's no way Filch cleans that entire school by himself) to do a routine maintenance check on the pipes or cast a couple of diagnostic spells and notice there was a little more magic at work then there should've been. Salazar definitely would've been more capable of enchanting the Basilisk itself, but then why not also make it less, you know, killable?
Number two is easy: in the books, the Basilisk actually isn't all that huge. The text describes it as "twenty feet long," which is the size of a large cobra.
It is never explicitly mentioned how long it is, at least not in book two. What we do learn is that its body is "thick as an oak trunk" and "He could see the vast, bloody eye sockets, see the mouth stretching wide, wide enough to swallow him whole, lined with fangs long as his sword..." seems pretty in line with what the movie version is portraying.
@@Znyggisen You sure about that? Maybe we read different editions, because I definitely remember twenty feet being mentioned. And Rowling has admitted she has trouble with numbers, so it's possible she wrote the things smaller than she meant to and backtracked.
@@bigfatcarp93 Perhaps, I could not find my physical copy (published b4 the films) but the quotes are taken from an ebook from 2012. I searched all entries for length/basilisk/feet and there are no mentions of length aside from it being a giant snake.
@@Znyggisen If the basilisk looked like he could swallow Harry whole, it may well be the size of an adult boa, since they could no poblem fit a teenage boy in them
@@TheCrimsonPope Yes and a boa has the body of an oak and fangs the length of swords.. smh
Maybe the pipes are bigger on the inside. Like the tent in GoF, or Hermiones bag in DH
Nice one. It's magic we can explain this one away easily
okay but why tf would they be so huge
+Andres Sanchez Because Salazar Slytherin put the Basilisk in the Chamber of Secrets, and therefore probably wanted a way for it to move around in the school. What I don't get is how it was able to get out of the pipes to petrify the students.
@@malinmadsen8527 yes! I completely agree. I'm reading a really good fan fiction of the second book (its called serpintine subterfuge) and there the walls have giant holes in them after every attack
@@malinmadsen8527thanks that makes sense
Hey! Dumbledore shows up precisely when he means to.
A wizard is never late, nor is he early!
@@elliemoon88 correct!
wrong franchise ;)
Gandalf is Dumbledore, confirmed
A wizard is never late nor is he early.
It's wonderful to see you Gandalf! *Jumps and hugs* 😭
I always believed Basilisk was actually around the size of a large snake, an Anaconda on steroids maybe. Then it would make sense for it to use the pipes to move around the school. This is more of a movie plothole, I think.
"The creature that had shed it must have been twenty feet long at least." Description of the shed basilisk skin
@@jimb1453 twenty feet is like six meters, so understandable for a very large snek
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a large snake on steroids. . . . 😂😂😂
@@jimb1453 she says in the book the Basilisk is at thick as an oak tree trunk
@@user-sm5sj6mg2t "twenty feet long at least."
Is an uneducated guess from looking at a shredded skin from HP's perspective in the book.
They grow up to 50 foot long and live as long as 900 years, yet this one is approximately 1000 years old so possibly even bigger since serpents don't ever stop growing and shedding until they die. That could have been one of it's shed skins from 600 years ago? We don't know.
Hermione never used obliviate on her parents. This is a book vs. movie issue. In book 7 Hermione tells Harry and co. that she bewitched her parents making them believe that they didn't have a daughter and compelling them to go on holiday out of the country.
This is different from a memory charm in that the effect is temporary and is more akin to hypnosis, whereas we learn in book 5 that memory charms are permanent alterations to a person's memory. They can't simply be undone.
In the movie, we actually get to see the scene with Hermione and her parents, (which on its own should be a red flag as far as book accuracy is concerned because Harry is not present - the books are always told from Harry's perspective with only a handful of exceptions; this is not one of them) and she literally says "obliviate", but this is not canon to the books.
I thought that too
Didn't she specifically make them believe they were different people from "the Grangers"? A family without a daughter. Which is a pretty clever way of bypassing the necessity for a memory charm! Memories of the Granger family (including Hermione) remain - they just think it's some other family and someone else's daughter. (What you said still stands though, I'm just adding on.)
Malcolm Muhammad, I think the permanence of the Memory Charm depends on the skill of the one who performa it. Lockhardt was particularly skilled with this, and apparently that’s all I think I know about them. But I agree, it was probably a combination of charms and not a Memory Charm.
@Tackle Box yep. Both Ron and Hermione have birthdays during the school year and would have turned 17 before end of term in year 6, which is kinda weird because other than during the lead up to their apparating license exam Ron and Hermione's birthdays are never mentioned. Does Harry never celebrate his best friends' birthdays??
Also, iirc, we never see her parents again after that, so if she did erase herself from their memory I guess it's not really a plot hole, just really dark head canon, but honestly I kinda digg it, like she knew she was giving up her parents forever but was still willing to do it to make sure they were safe. New head canon confirmed.
“Basilisks can grow up to fifty feet in length, squeeze into pipes despite their massive size, and their tough scales reflect most spells similarly to dragon hide.” I think that answers your question
DRAGON HIDES REFLECT SPELLS?
Toby Lythgoe source?
Kept banging on about mile thick walls aswell...
Chase Ambrose
Well a couple things I guess. I hate to say it but it sounds like a lazy defense but the Basilisk IS magic. It can go in and out of pipes because that’s just what it’s able to do.
As for Moaning Myrtle, we know the Basilisk stare does effect ghosts so since she was never paralyzed we can assume she just never saw it (again that is-it did kill her)
Also ghosts in the Harry Potter world are rarely altruistic. There’s literally nothing in it for them to give up information like that.
Chase Ambrose
My philosophy with novels is if there’s a somewhat reasonable defense for a question even if it’s lazy that’s good enough for me and shouldn’t really be counted against the book. That’s part of the fun as a reader is engaging further with the text and imagining explanations. Plus if Rowling had said while writing “well it doesn’t really make sense for this massive snake to travel through these pipes like that” then she’d have to rethink the entire structure of her mystery just to solve a plot hole that you can dismiss by saying “it’s a magic snake”
And also, the function of the Basilisk is to terrorize muggle-borns right? If it had just been eating them nobody would find the bodies and then there’d be no terror and it would probably just be *Harry Potter and the Set of Mysterious Unexplained Disappearances in an Otherwise Normal Year.*
Myrtle has shared information before but only by a whim. She doesn’t really care she kinda treats everything happening like more entertainment for her.
And she’s kind of a sensitive person and she is still a child so it’s reasonable she might not be interested enough to find out what exactly killed her. But again that’s all headcanon.
Unless the book directly stated “Myrtle was an especially curious child and always liked solving mysteries” I see no reason to count it as a strike against the book.
The pipes in CoS is a pretty big plothole, sure.. But an issue with the entire mystery itself is the original victim of the Basilisk is literally a ghost who can talk to any investigators. How was the mystery never solved until Harry showed up and talked to Moaning Myrtle?
Perhaps because Myrtle was always moaning and people always teased her instead of speaking to her, so she didn't like to talk to them about her life.
@@astrid2885 that works as an explanation until you remember people like Dumbledore exist in this world. The idea that Dumbledore gave up on asking Myrtle about her death because she moaned too much is crazy to me
@@TheMightofDab I didn't say Dumbledore gave up on talking to Myrtle. I said "people". Dumbledore never teased people, at least from what we know about Dumbledore after Ariana's death. I've always thought about it as classic Ministry practice. Tom accused Hagrid, Tom was popular, the Ministry didn't want to complicate things more as they didn't want anyone to believe the heir had come. Dumbledore after that had his mind on Tom even more after that event and that says something. Tom never opened the chamber again and Dumbledore thought that the problem would probably never become a thing again. I don't remember if he mentions it in the CoS or in another book, but Dumbledore has said that even he was fooled by Tom's charms sometimes.
@@astrid2885 I was using Dumbledore as an example of someone whose existence makes the fact that the Basilisk killing people was a mystery a plot hole. Myrtle was clearly not impossible to talk to, as Harry managed it.
@@TheMightofDab Yes, that's why I've talked about the Ministry practices. Even if Dumbledore or anyone else talked to Myrtle this would have been a mess and Myrtle if I remember correctly didn't say Tom Riddle's name (or I'm just too tired now to remember if she really did say it). Even if they knew about the basilisk what about the heir? I don't think that the Ministry would have let anyone believe the heir was trully in Hogwarts. Surely this is up for more discussion than the pipe problem, because that one might be solved by a spell, but Myrtle was a part of the castle and a couple lines about why didn't she talk to anybody before would have solved the mystery.
Almost every issue I have with this series stems from Rowling inventing new things for new books, then those cool things either never come back up (time turner) or break things in the past (apparition).
1000% this. It's ok that you didn't think of all of this at the time jk. But stop pretending you did. Absolute nonsense.
And then she will claim she thought of this plot 70 years ago.
I hate apparition.
“My iSSSUe wITh rOwliNg 🤪”
The time turning thing...... That was a bit much. The ramifications of such magic is too much. And who would trust that kind of power to a child?!!! I mean seriously?
Going to argue devil's advocate regarding Secret Keepers:
It actually does make sense for James and Lilly to have a 3rd party secret keeper, so that other Order members could hypothetically be told the location in case they needed to contact, evacuate, or join Lily and James in hiding (or even just let them know when it was safe). Sirius, as their best friend, would be a great target for deception, and could potentially be tricked into revealing the location to a Death Eater disguised as an Order member or by some other means of trickery, while Peter was considered unimportant and less vulnerable to espionage (oh the tragic irony).
In the case of Bill being his own secret keeper, the Order would've learned from their past mistakes and increased vigilance, which we do see demonstrated by Mr. and Mrs. Weasley checking each other's identities. This time they know the extra precautions really are necessary. CONSTANT VIGILANCE!
Kaleidoscopic Fractal Wonderful explanation! This is also what I assumed :)
The other option is torture, the Imperius curse may not force him to tell the location but use the Crucio (sp?) on him and tell him that if he willingly gives the information for them to stop or let him go would get around it.
Also Lily and James couldn't leave the house. Who would do the shopping and stuff? The secret keeper would bring them what they needed like groceries and messages
i dont think that's how it works though...
Using Grimmauld Place as one of our better examples- Dumbledore was the secret keeper- so he had to tell people the location, Harry had to read the address written down by him, and then they could access the house, but the people with access cant reveal the secret because they arent the secret keeper. For example, Snape was frequently in Grimmauld Place, but he wasnt the secret keeper, so he literally couldnt tell Voldy where it was, and that was perfectly fine and logical to everyone. Snape had been told the location by Dumbledore, but literally couldnt reveal the location to anyone else.
So James or Lilly could have been their own secret keeper and just revealed the location to members of the Order, who could then access the house but would be unable to reveal the location to anyone else. right?
To me, having a secret keeper stay in the location protected by the charm is a pretty surefire system for safety.
@@fenrir6002 This is what I thought. Technically you're willingly giving over the information in exchange for the torment to stop. I think 'forced' here is not clearly defined
11:15 Dumbledore doesn't speak parcel-tongue. While this is true, he's not looking at a regular recording of the event. He's magically viewing the memory of the event from the perspective of someone who DOES speak parcel-tongue. I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to assume the meaning of the words were embedded within the memory.
See, that explains the memory of Voldemort going to take the ring, but what about the first memory of Morfin's attempted arrest? Wasn't it from the perspective of that Ministry wizard whose name I can't remember? He didn't speak Parseltongue and he was bewildered when the Gaunts were speaking it, the meaning certainly wouldn't be embedded in that memory.
Personally I think it's very possible that Dumbledore could understand Parseltongue. There's no indication that it's not a learnable language, and we already know Dumbledore can speak some really wacky languages (he speaks Mermish in GoF). He probably would've learned it once he realized it was relevant to Tom Riddle's backstory.
A Nintendo Fan Kinda Guy I disagree. Parseltongue is just snakes hissing, you either understand it or you don’t. However, like Hermione said, Salazar Slytherin was born a long time ago, for all it’s worth, Dumbledore could be a descendant of him
What if Dumbledore didn't understand it but harry can?
It seems more reasonable to assume Dumbledore was just wicked smart and knew many magical languages, including Mermish and Gobbledegook. I mean, I also happen to speak Spanish besides Enlgish, which enables me to understand plenty of Italian and Portuguese even though I can't speak those languages. I really don't think that Dumbledore being able to understand parcel tongue is that surprising or anything close to a plot hole.
@@possessedloneliness1253 the book FLAT OUT SAYS harry can understand them dumbledore says 2 harry i assume u can understand them & harry says yes of course y cant bob ogden(the ministry official) then harry looks @ the snake on the door & realizes theyre speaking parseltongue
Possible explanation for plothole 1: Dumbledore was sick of Fudge asking for help, so when he got a letter ‘from Fudge’ he decided to take it slow on purpose to put it off!
Dumbledore just wanting to be an a-hole is the funniest explanation.
Hoganply - “Oh god its Fudge again! Can’t that man handle anything on his own? Ya know what? Fuck it, I’m taking a broom! No floo, no apperation, I’m taking the damn broom! Any time away from that incompetent is time well spent!” - Albus Dumbledore upon receiving the ‘Letter from Fudge’
I never thought of this. Love this theory^^
Very in keeping with Dumbledore's character.
He deliberately took it slow so that the trio could try their strength against the schoolteachers’ obstacle course. Harry remarks that Dumbledore knows what’s going on around the school when Ron and Hermione visit him in the hospital wing afterwards.
Book 1: Dumbledore took the slowest way to flex on the magic ministry
To the performing magic around Harry thing: I think that he wasn't charged with anything when other wizards were around him, because it was just that: other wizards. But when Dobby does it, I think the trace recognizes the magic as "not coming from another wizard" so it was assumed Harry performed the spell.
Ohhhh yeah...I think that was mentioned somewhere, maybe in the books? I remember that explanation now. *thumbs up*
No in book 5 it is stated that there is no current record of any other witch or wizard living in Little Whinging besides Harry Potter by Amelia Bones at Harry's hearing. Unless the Weasley's told the Ministry that they were picking Harry up and taking him away, then there was no reason to believe that the Ministry wouldn't detect it and blame Harry even more for doing magic. The house elf thing is extremely annoying as it is canon that house elf magic is not equivalent to wizards magic so how can the Ministry detect any house elf magic at all even if it does occur near underage wizards? And why would they not accuse Harry of disapparating then as Dobby clearly does? Yes it's impossible to track WHERE a wizard apparates to unless you grab on to them, but the act of doing so should be able to be detected by the trace(especially since you apparently can't apparate without a wand). It's very odd.
i think this is explained in one of the books actually! it says that the trace just picks up magic in a certain house, small area, etc, but not who does the magic. if there are of age wizards there, it's assumed it's them, as they are expected to be able to keep the underage wizards under control. however, given that harry was the only wizard in the house, it was assumed to have been him.
I don't know if apparation is technically magic, but either way theyd know it couldn't be harry as he wouldnt have been taught it yet. im guessing its a pretty hard thing to learn yourself, especially for a twelve year old haha
@@abee2557 Yeah, but why wouldn't they come and investigate it? Harry is a top security concern for the Ministry too(Madam Bones says that the matter of records of witches or wizards living in Little Whinging has been closely monitored because of past events- clearly the Ministry knew it was possible other witches or wizards could have been a danger to Harry or would have tried to meet him given how famous he is).
Apparation most certainly is magic especially if a witch or wizard needs a wand to execute it. Either way, no muggle can do it and it is accomplished via the witch or wizard's magical will/determination alone.
For me, there's actually a bigger plot hole for Philosopher's Stone/Sorcerer's Stone than the Dumbledore, Ministry of Magic section: the door on the 3rd floor that leads into Fluffy's chamber is said by Dumbledore at the beginning of the year to be forbidden, as it is extremely dangerous, yet the lock can be bypassed by a Year 1 student using Alohomora. While Ron does seem surprised at first by this, Hermione states that it's in their Standard Book of Spells, Chapter 7. If this is meant to be such a dangerous area of the school, then why not have it harder to get through the door, especially later, when the Sorcerer's Stone is placed underneath Fluffy's chamber for protection?
That is pretty weird indeed. Maybe the teachers sort of assumed none of the students would go near it? This way it's easier for Hagrid to feed Fluffy, or for any teacher to go in there if they really need to.
Hogwarts is not a muggle school where children are protected like snowflakes. They did a lot of serious and dangerous stuff in their school years.
Well, that's nothing. If you want to protect a stone, why not keep it in a magicaly locked safe and put it in your office? Nah, instead they decide to create an absurd adventure labyrinth filled with challenges and riddles. It's almost as if they were expecting a bunch of young teenagers to go through all of them and so creating a typically juvenile literature-like experience for those students!
I mean the whole Stone-protection plan is pretty weird. I mean all of the obstacles the teachers put up where a bit easy and more like magic minigames. If they were really so determined to protect the stone then why the hell where there a plant that could be defeated with the simplest of spells, flying keys, a chess game and a logic puzzle? The only really good protection was the Mirror of Erised. All the other parts could be overcome by 1. graders - ok they weren’t regular first graders ( Ron Bering great at chess, Hermione Bering smart) but still I think the protections were a bit weak. This especially weird if you think about what the teachers of Hogwarts pull off in the later books… Mcgonnagal guides all the statues of Hogwarts, Snape invents his own spells and is able to fool the darkest wizard of all time, Flitwick puts up all these incredibly difficult spells to protect Hogwarts in the end of book 7 and so on. So why did they decide to make a magical minigame course???
@aunt fanny-If you tell 11 year old kids NOT to do something, that just makes them more eager to do it
The pipes isn't a plot hole to me, just maybe a bit ridiculous. But in the Chamber of Secrets, when they are driving to Kings Cross Station, Arthur Weasley enchants the car to fit his entire family and all of their luggage, and the car still is the same size from an outside view. It's not that wild to imagine that Salazar Slytherin may have done something similar to the pipes in the school. Even if there are giant pipes in the walls, this doesn't actually change the plot of the story, so it's not a plot hole to me.
I agree with the pipe thing being a little ridiculous. But larger pipes means less water pressure. So, theoretically, if the pipes were magically enlarged to that size, the water pressure would be noticeably weaker.
@@fourxpro2036 Still, you can fix the water pressure with a spell. I mean, it's a world of magic, everything is possible.
@@astrid2885 Yeah, but using magic as such mc'guffin device is annoying. Also, how in seven hells did that beast exist those pipes? It's not like it'd fit through a toilet...
Molochors Well, that’s also part of the spell, same thing for Hermiones tent in Book seven, or especially Newt’s suitcase in Fantastic Beasts.
Still doesn't change the fact that plumbing was invented (and applied to the school) centuries after Salazar built the Chamber. This means that whoever built the plumbing in Hogwarts was a Slytherin who supported the pureblood cause of Salazar.
He was like "I'm building these pipes and enchanting them so you, Basilisk, can travel around the school and kill students when someone opens the Chamber. Here you go buddy"
Couldn’t Harry have been the secret keeper so he physically couldn’t say the location because Harry was a baby
I think you should understand a spell for it to work
That’s what I was thinking! But then I realized that he was only one years old and that would not work.
I love the internet. This comment makes me so happy.
The secret key could only be given to the third person, not the person to be hidden...
@@melerad2814 except that doesnt hold up becuase dumbledore is secret keeper for grimauld place and was still able to be there regularly
Not a plot hole but it bothers me
The sorting system is so weird, unproductive and even worse damaging why would you stick a bunch of adventurous reckless kids together or ambitious morally ambigious kids together? It only creates a mob mentality and prevents the kids from becoming clear thinkin individuals, if they refuse to adopt the "mob mentality" of their house then they become outcasts in their own house if they accept it then they lose their individuality and become just another stereotypical witch/wizard of their house.
jotun hime I really like this comment 🙂
Well, it actually works the same way in any school. People that are alike usually stick to each other, if you aren't morally ambiguous you'd *usually* stay away from the kind of people that exhibit that trait. And it isn't like the students don't interact with each other, it is book canon that the main characters have friends from other houses like Luna or Cedric and Cho (who were from different houses and involved in a close relationship). So what you are saying does happen and it's called 'peer pressure' but it isn't nearly as dramatic as you chose to put it, since for example Gryffindor's members have defining traits but they could be from another house (Hermione could be Ravenclaw, Harry could be Slytherin and Ron could be Hufflepuff), there is a really cool theory that suggests that to be in Gryffindor you have to [or need the courage to] ask.
@@valedro awww thank you that's really nice 😊
This is a nice comment
Really now I don't know if u guys are being sarcastic or not 😂😂
As much as I enjoy the Potterverse, I wouldn't want to live there:
Literally, anyone can do anything and without a witness, there's no crime
Between casual shapeshifting, rewriting memories with a flick of a wrist, et al, the serial crime offenders must be legion. All one would need is a Muggle patsy and anyone over 17 could live a hedonistic lifestyle that would make Caligula blush.
And with the use of polyjuice potion being able to be anyone else too! :D
This cracked me up lmao
yeah what is even the point of tracking minors using magic but not adults, they are the one who should be tracked, how can someone escape azkaban and not have any spell to track then ?
Voldemort wouldn't do an unbreakable vow because then he would be bound by the terms as well. He expects loyalty but wouldn't risk himself to remain loyal his followers
...Then why not define the terms in such a way that only they give loyalty?
@@jpruedag How about ' i will not betray you '? Or hell, why not say it in a way that would work - ' will not do anything against the pureblood cause'. He is charismatic, and only needs to convince the starting group, the rest will join from sheer peer pressure.
I always just thought that he didn’t need to, he already keeps his death eaters under fear, they all know that if they leave he will kill them (we see this most clearly in book 7 with the whole RAB plot line) with the unbreakable vow if you break it you just die, maybe Voldemort prefers more cruel and torturous forms of killing to punish those who betray him
@@runelt99 He did, when he gave Petigrew his silver hand, it turned on him in a moment of doubt. it was just a flitting moment, but it was enough for the hand to betray him.
@@theblackdahlia88 i thought that was because the hand was created by V-man, not because of some vow.
One of the biggest plot holes throughout all the movies is the Marauder's map, because Fred and George would've surely thought that it is weird that a guy named Peter Pettigrew was following their brother everywhere, including the toilet and his bed (also, Harry never notices that either)
@@naisha2442 No? First of, where does it say that, but also, Harry didn't know Pettigrew either?
i saw a theory which is that only the marauders can see other marauders on the map - which would make sense in the book (i think in the movie snape also sees them but i can’t remember exactly?)
@J.A.DinosaursMateStraightUp💙💚 i think snape seeing them was only in the movie but i’m not sure… if it was in the book then maybe it’s something to do with being in Animagus form? sirius would’ve been in human form when he saw and Peter would’ve been in animagus form when he saw
@@naisha2442 Sorry I don’t buy this excuse.
Seamus Gorman already figured this one out
In book 5 : Siruis's Mirror! I mean, How Harry forget about a gift that, Siruis says that he could use it for get in touch with him
Yeah that one kind of pisses me off, there were so many times that harry could have talked to Sirius
@@Emelineeeeeee He didn't know what was in the package. The letter that went with it read "If you ever need me use this." He assumed it was like a distress signal and so didn't bother opening it because he vowed that he would never be the reason that Sirius put himself in danger of going back to Azkaban. I do think it was a stupid point and would have worked so much better if it was a delayed birthday present that gets delivered at the beginning of book six to really rub the salt in the wound but it is at least explained, if not very well.
That's not really a plot hole. Harry wasn't thinking straight because he thought Sirius was in grave danger and it never occurred to him to use the gift he never used before until it was too late.
It’s also meant to be dramatic irony, Harry was being a dramatic teenager and the one thing that would have saved the situation is something he ignored because he was being over dramatic and now he’ll never speak to Sirius again.. it’s supposed to be sad
Harry was afraid it would somehow summon Sirius because he know Sirius was getting stir crazy. Hell, Sirius was actually depressed Harry didn't get expelled because he hoped it meant Harry would have to stay with him instead of going to Hogwarts. The last thing Harry wanted was for Sirius to get caught and get in trouble, so he never even looked at it. If he didn't know what it was, he couldn't be tempted to use it.
To the argument that "it's ok these are plotholes because Rowling changed it later on Twitter or Pottermore", that's a copout. A story should be able to make sense and be contained on its own. It shouldn't need the author to be filling in holes and mistakes years later over the internet.
If it ain't in the book/movie/etc., it don't exist. Talking about series in their original medium.
I think it would be fine to fix the plotholes in future editions of the books, though. What do you think?
@@Ajnaran Fixing plotholes and issues later on down the line is a really dangerous thing to do. Sure it can fill in gaps, but it could also turn into the same situation George Lucas had with the original trilogy. The re-releases of the originals came with all sorts of edits, and while none of them were major changes, the reaction to them was general outrage. Rowling has had a similar issue with her making changes over Twitter, such as making Dumbledore gay or saying a character is Jewish. While I don't see anything inherently wrong with adding diversity, I do think that, were she to release "updated" versions of the books years later, that fill in gaps and likely mention her additions she made over Twitter would only make people angry. An argument can be made that an original work shouldn't be tampered with. That being said, you're question is interesting, because what if that original work is flawed? Personally, I'd rather she wouldn't release updated versions of the books. While I do think Harry Potter has some glaring issues that should have been addressed when they were written, changing it now could only end negatively, even if those changes are positive. I think at this point Harry Potter should be left alone, as the work that it is.
@@jacksonlasley6621 Indeed, old plotholes could have been corrected as each new book was released, by a comment or two from any character but yeah, they should be left alone now.
Also, Rowling has used Twitter and Pottermore to create MORE plotholes, so...
I mean, Dumbledore can speak a lot of languages, including Mermish. I'm sure he just sat down and learned Parseltoung. If Ron could do it from hearing Harry talk in his sleep, I don't see why not.
Ron did not do it from harry talking on his sleep (that is movie filling) . Ron "made a sound" trying to imitate what harry says to the locket in parseltongue "open" It took him several tries and ron didn't understood what it meant.
@@davidramirez4570 who told you
@@jonathandickerson4696 its in the books. Deathly hallows. Ron explains how he and hermione got the basilisk fangs from the CoS to Harry on their way to the Room of Requirement
@@davidramirez4570 If he was able to imitate it, then it's sound he can hear. If he can hear it, he can learn to understand it. As long as he get's a translation from somewhere.
No, Dumbledore cannot speak parseltongue Only descendants of Slytherin (and Harry) can speak it. If he did know, why didn't he just enter the Chamber of Secrets and kill the basilisk, saving all the horror that it would unleash in the future? You seriously telling me he did not know where the entrance was, when he knew Myrtle died there and Harry worked it out as a 12 year old! 🙄
The plot hole in the 4th goes way deeper than that. In order to prove that Voldemort is really back, give Harry the truth serum and he would say the truth and we can get rid of the entire 5th book.
Also, my biggest problem with the 5th book is that Hermione leaves hats out under garbage so the house elves pick it up accidentally. And yet: the house elves aren't hers to free, and the elves picking up clothing wouldn't free them: it is already stated that the elves do their laundry.
I always thought fudge knew the truth but didn’t want to admit it to the public, his failure as a minister.
The minister knew it was true but didn’t want to admit to the public.
Fudge knew the truth but he didn't want to admit it even to himself, that's what made him a horrible minister
It was purposely suppressed for political purposes by Fudge,so why in the world would he allow it to be revealed? This also may be why the other countries didn't react to Tom. The US ministry kept telling them "Everything is fine,Voldermorts return is a conspiracy theory." Aren't corrupt government officials fun?
I think there's a touch of reality there with the ignorant minister, trying to stay in power instead of finding the truth
Never read Harry Potter in my life but a Basilisk kills by looking into someone’s eyes? Does that mean that a basilisks greatest foe is social anxiety?
Hahaha
No its a chicken
Almighty Kue so yeah anxiety
You never read it???? You haven't lived til you read it!
My autistic self is invincible! *Laughs and hides in my blanket*
Book three can be explained like this: the secret keeper would willingly give up the information to stop the pain.
I was thinking that too, but then that makes the question, what’s the point of having a secret keeper? Is it because it makes the other parties involved physically incapable of giving up the information except for the secret keeper? If so, the title “secret keeper” would be kind of a misnomer.
I don't think you can do that. I found this on Harry Potter fandom about secret keepers.
The Secret Keeper is the witch or wizard designated to hide a secret by means of the Fidelius Charm; the secret is embedded in their very soul. Once a Secret Keeper is selected, the person who told them the secret will find themselves unable to pass the information on again, as the Secret Keeper is the only one capable of revealing the secret, whether orally or written.[1] The Secret Keeper can tell as many people as they like, but they must do so voluntarily and *the secret cannot be blackmailed, bewitched or tortured out of them.*
you could theoretically attack people the Secret Keeper loves for example Voldemort could attack Sirius' friends to the point that he'd spill the beans voluntarily. But ya know still strange
@@lizebrand but that is the problem. It SAYS it can't be tortured out of them, but people under torture will say anything to make it stop. If they decide that giving up the location is a better alternative to their current situation, then wouldn't that mean it was voluntarily giving? They could have kept enduring the torture until they were killed, therefore they willingly gave away the information.
This is my whole problem with the secret keeper idea.
@@Joyfk Well if you torture someone for information you are forcing them to tell. Maybe the spell was created so, that it recognizes when unpleasant situations for the Secret Keeper are made by those who want to know the secret, and then prevents the Secret Keeper from telling it to escape the situation.
That is my thought of course, I didn't create the spell. 😳
For the first plothole I believe that I have the answer to the question of why... though it is no less a plot hole.
Simply that J.K. Rowling hadn't introduced (or thought of) any form of transportation aside from flying on a broom stick yet.
Many things HP are like that.
@@CaelumN0ctis very true... i just haven't thought about it much before this video.
Didn't Dumbledore apparate to the Dursley's home during the prologue of book 1?
@@monnishp it is never explicitly stated how Dumbledore appeared on the corner of Privet Drive. However, it is rather unlikely that it was "apparition" due to his appearing being described as "[appearing] so suddenly and silently you'd have thought he'd just popped out of the ground" emphasis on the silently. Apparition is generally described as producing a large "Crack" sound and even the most skilled and powerful wizards still produce an audible pop. So it is possible that he was supposed to be invisible then suddenly visible.....
Though It could have been some form of teleportation before J.K.Rowling ever thought of Apparition... its never said.
@@stephenrhoades8686 That's true. Reading the chapter definitely makes it seem more like he lifted a disillusionment charm rather than apparating there. Thanks for clearing that up.
The thing with Sirius makes sense to me, I always read it as you can't magically force a person to give up the location. So a compulsion charm or Imperious or even dousing someone with Veritaserum wouldn't reveal the location because unless a person chooses to give it to you it can't be said.
But torturing someone is fair game because they'll reach a point where they choose to reveal the location to make the pain stop. Like, sure a judge would rule that choice was made under duress, but I'm not sure magic cares about *why* you chose something, just that it was your choice.
So Sirius didn't trust himself not to eventually break under torture.
That being said, it's definitely still a plot-hole with Bill proving you can be your own secret keeper.
My head canon on Secret keeping in book 7 is Bill and Arthur tried and it works
@@andrewshearsby8125 I like that. Bill was also a Curse Breaker and so theoretically had studied charms a bit longer than the rest. May have been able to bridge a theoretical gap that they couldn't.
But Bill was keeping secret the location of Shell Cottage. Pettigrew was keeping secret the location of James/Lily +/- the location of their house. So it's not the same thing.
Also, is it book-cannon that Pettigrew was also keeping secret the location of Harry specifically? Coz this seems like something the wizarding world might generally forget to do
@@elizabethgrosvenor153 I've never read anything to imply that secret keeping works on people and not solely on places? Everything we saw implies it's tied to a place since the concept was first brought up in regards to 12 Grimmauld Place.
You read the location and know about that location.
Edit to add: Like with 12 Grimmauld Place it was also "The Headquarters of the Order of the Pheonix" but that didn't mean that if they decided to meet at a muggle pub and call that the new headquarters the charm would transfer over. It seemed to be grounded on a physical locale
@@yuukinoyuki9064 I don't think that's true. I think in 'ordinary life' it would be used to conceal the location of objects like jewellery and other valuables to prevent theft. Every time we see it, it's been hiding people, but that's because they were in a war situation. They were taking ordinary spells and adapting their use.
But for your muggle pub example, that would be a different secret, if they moved, so I understand that would need a different charm every time. As would the jewellery, I think
"Books are written by people."
Sounds like somebody hasn't read Harry Potter and the Portrait of What Looked Like a Large Pile of Ash.
Yes, HPatPoWLLaLPoA has no plot holes
"Ron was going to be spiders"
- HPatPoWLLaLPoA
@@michaelfort143 "They screamed at how closed the door was"
BEEF WOMEN
Call me Kevin does a good reading of that one!
Once you start critically examining HP it becomes very obvious that JK is a mystery writer, not a fantasy worldbuilder.
I think it’s also fair to remember that this is a children’s/YA series... not exactly on the level of Tolkien or George RR Martin’s world-building, and I don’t think it was ever meant to be :)
My family has been listening to the audio books since late 2005, we love them, but I only began picking up on some of the weird writing choices when I was in middleschool(like 2013). And you know what? I still love them.
Or that maybe that books meant for children cannot endure the anal retentive internet overanalyzer crowd that well
World building is a component of writing but you can tell that even though the series overall was preaty well writen that when J.K Rowling was forced to have to build the framework for a fantasy world that she fell a bit short of effectly doing that.Fantasy world building is a challenge that you are forced to take on when you write a fantasy book and like I said there are many ways in which J.K Rowling fell short of effectively doing that.
Stefanie A don’t use Tolkien and RR Martin in the same sentence unless it’s to say how Tolkien absolutely dominates him in writing.
I just can't get over the fact that in GOF, even with Barty Crouch Jr. disguised as Mad Eye Moody for 8 months, that Voldemort, or somebody else, didn't think to have something else disguised as a portkey, rather than the Tri-Wizard Tournament trophy. Why not a book? Or a quill? Or literally, anything else, since a portkey can be made to look like anything? Even if want to go with the whole "you can't operate a portkey inside Hogswart grounds" thing, couldn't Crouch have tricked Harry once he was off Hogwarts ground, like if he was in Hogsmeade, or something like that? There just had to be a far easier (and more inconspicuous) way to attempt teleporting him to Little Hangleton that didn't involve making him the fourth competitor in the Tri-Wizard tournament, and then guiding him to win.
garfield27101 the “you can’t operate a portkey on hogwarts grounds” argument is bad as the maze was on the quidditch field and that’s hogwarts grounds so ...
While still not the best solution, I think the reason they made the portkey the Tri-Wizard cup was to try and ensure that just Harry touched it. It is a lot easier to ensure just one person touches something as big and important as the cup then it is something as inconspicuous as a random book or quill. It would be be nearly impossible to ensure it wasn't picked up by any random student before Harry even sees it.
I also think that, convoluted as the plan is haha, they wanted to make Harry's disappearance seem like an accident, so they planned to use the Tournament as a ready excuse to explain his death since so many people have died during the competition in previous years
an interesting thought i have had about portkeys are that there is a specific time that the portkey will leave, like how they have to get to the mangy old boot in time or how in the seven potters part, some miss their portkeys and the random objects appear at the burrow without the people. But the Triwizard cup is different since it waits to be touched and also why was it programed to come back to hogwarts?? like Voldy planned on killing Harry so there would be no need for the Triwizard cup to be enchanted to go to the graveyard and back.
Maybe it was just voldemort specifying it to be all fancy like? Kind of like how he made all of the horcruxes these important and well known items rather than like... a rock. Ya know, same deal? Unless I'm mistaken. Seems right to me.
This isn't a plot hole, but I just got done listening to all the audio books again and thought about it. I understand that the reader has to learn about various things, and they're introduced through the main character, especially as the author comes up with new aspects across the series. But it really struck me this time: Harry never bothers to learn anything on his own. It's his 4th year into knowing about the wizarding world, and he's just now discovering what a death eater is, the dark mark either in the sky or on people's arms, the unforgivable curses, countless other examples. If it were me, I'd want to pull up news papers and textbooks to learn about the magical world in my first year. But especially if there was this insane wizarding war that ended because a dude tried to kill me, I'd be going through archives and old daily prophets soaking up every bit of information about the dude that tried to kill me and the war. But he's just like, "a guy tried to kill me? And everyone's so scared they won't even speak his name? That's crazy. Well, that's about all the info I'm interested in."
Harry having zero interest in the whole wizarding world is in fact the biggest plot hole. Hermione is what a muggle would be if they discovered magic and hidden world. Harry acts like everything around him is normal occurance but the boy spent his life in a fricking closet.
One of my favorite TH-cam tropes is "OH CRAP, I FORGOT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING BUT DIDN'T REALIZE IT UNTIL EDITING!!!" but usually that's resolved in voiceover or with text on the screen out of laziness. I like that you went through the trouble of shooting more footage.
you could add the same argument to the horcruxes at the end, they could have been anything but he had to make them matter and all the ways they were protected and hidden.
It's funny that she says that it doesn't count when jk Rowling goes back and fixes plot holes on Potter more, but the uploader can go back and fix things with editing ;)
@@aisakataiga5200 fair enough ... although the revising process for a novel takes months and involves other professional editors.
About the parseltongue one... I feel like, since this is a memory of someone who does speak it, in their memory they can fully understand it, thus the watchers can as well
Also, Dumbledore interviewed Morfin after he was imprisoned for the murder of the Riddles. Dumbledore surely would've learned Morfin's and Marvolo's side of the conversation then.
Dumbledore can probably learn some Parseltongue (like Ron does). And if we accept that the Pensieve can do numerous things including allowing you to interact with objects in a memory, then it probably can translate things for you as well. I prefer to think of it as Dumbledore knowing some Parseltongue, and Harry understanding it because he can also speak the language.
We don't accept that though. The pensieve sllows you to view memories, nothing more
I just assumed, that Dumbledore understands parsel. Is it written anywhere, that he doesn't?
@@serp0unce I stand corrected, he did understand Parseltongue. My apologies.
Is nobody going to mention how Hermione thought she could free the house elves by leaving out clothes? Their not hers to free, for one, and it wouldn't work either way since it needs to be handed to them. I mean, the elves do their laundry! Really not sure what she was thinking.
It doesn’t need to be handed directly to them though. Harry didn’t directly give Dobby the sock. But he put it in the diary with the intention of freeing him. I don’t see why this would be any different with Hermione’s situation. Also what do you mean by “they’re not hers to free”. By this logic Harry shouldn’t have freed Dobby because he didn’t own him
@@jaimelannister1797 You appear to be making a critical mistake. Harry put a sock on the diary, Lucius Malfoy gave the sock to dobby. Dobby wasn't Harry's to free, but he tricked malfoy into doing it.
@@davidraveh5966 my bad. I haven’t read the books in a couple years. Sorry
@@jaimelannister1797 Harry didn’t free Dobby Lucius Malfoy did. HE gave the book to Dobby.
She was way up on her high horse.
The stuff that always bugged me was wand allegiance. There were many duels and expelliarmus charms throughout the whole series, but they never ended in wand-loyalty-transfer until the last book. It can conveniently be explained away by wands having a mind of their own and being finicky, but it feels very obvious that it was just not invented until the last book(s).
The wand choses the wizard
I think her original idea was that was an elder wand trait..... To unlock its superior power. In the case of Harry also getting the allegiance of Malfoy:s wand. I don't think it was quite the same... That's not necessarily a plot hole. Besides there being a big difference between practicing and actually fighting, etc.... It is possible that wands are sort of semi sentient enough... That there could be a little something to defeat the wizard.... Get less resistance from the wand... Or the ones really sick of the wizard and likes the new person better.... The main thing of the allegiance was about unlocking the superiority of the wand from what I can tell. That's a minor thing....
What really bothers me about the pipes is that at some point the basilisk HAS to GET OUT of them to attack his victims! How the hell did it manage to kill or harm someone in a corridor where there is no apparent pipes????? I mean most of the characters are found in normal corridors which means that the basilisk would have to get out of the pipes somewhere and then just casually slide around until it finds someone, all of that remaining unnoticed????
Something that always bothered me was the fact that no-one objected to harry being part of the triwizard tournament... i mean the kid says he never put his name in there and doesn't want ro take part, he is clearly under age but somehow he HAS to participate???? Like noone can do anything for him? It's just a competition for f... sake!
For the obliviate thing I always assumed that Hermione says that because she doesn't want to talk about it? But i can't remember the specifics so don't quote me....
And for the secret keeper thing I think that torture makes you willingly give up the info, because you want it to stop....
Loved the video ❤
Tom/ Ginny let the basilisk loose from the girl's bathroom, it didn't just go wondering on its own outside of the pipes. For the Triwizard Tournament, putting the name in the fire was like a binding contract- you had to compete.
@@simplysarah16 i get that ginny and tom supervised it in a way but it still had to slide around without no one noticing whilst it's huge.... and even though it's specified that putting a name in the goblet of fire is a binding contract i'm still amazed that no one was able to break that contract considering that A : harry was underaged, B: he never willingly put his name in there and C: people DIED during that tournament. It's just not the most logical course of event that happens throughout the books even though it is.necessary for the plot 😊
@@simplysarah16 Yeah, but who is making the rules for the tournament? Is there a spell that has some sort of nasty effect if Harry doesn't compete? It's never mentioned what happens if they allowed Harry to step out of the tournament. Not to mention, if Harry didn't willingly put his name in the goblet, then how is he bound to a contract he didn't sign?
@@mgnxcamille6850 All of the attacks happened in or outside of that bathroom. It's ridiculous that no one figured that out or just asked Myrtle - or that Myrtle didn't go to Dumbledore and say, "Hey, there's a girl releasing the monster that killed me - you might want to stop her."
Maybe when 'you put your name in the goblet of fire' and you get chosen by the goblet of fire its some sort of magical contract, sort of like the unbreakable vow, and if you dont participate you die or something.
I'm just wondering whether they could've made Harry a secret-keeper. I mean, it would be perfect. He could never give up the information, because he was a baby, and he could never give up the information willingly, because he has no real will at this point. Tragedy could've been easily avoided.
Anne Fernandez but how is a baby supposed to keep a secret if it doesn’t know what it’s about?
Maybe he would have to use actual spells himself? And obviously, he wouldn't have been able to given he couldn't speak and such
@@aberdeen0107 And that is why I was wondering. This is a hypothetical.
I think that becoming a secret keeper is similar to making an unbreakable vow, and you have to know and willingly consent to becoming the secret keeper. Which a baby cannot do, because as you say, he has no real will yet.
I think there should not have been a secret keeper at all because if no one knew the location no one could give it up
Thank you for this insightful video :) However, I have to put my two cents in:
1st book: As a minister, Fudge consulted Dumbledore on a frequent basis. Dumbledore might have been used to those "urgent calls" and wanted to ride a broom for a change. Take Harry for one, who hates traveling by Floo Powder.
2nd book: The basilisk has probably a width of only a couple of feet. Salazar surely constructed those pipes by himself and/or even added a widening charm, as we have read and seen it in many other scenes.
3rd book: I'm all with you on the secret keeping issue!
4th book: Veritaserum works best upon the unsuspecting, the vulnerable and those insufficiently skilled to protect themselves against it. As some wizards can prevent themselves from being affected, and others cannot, it is an unfair and unreliable tool to use at a trial.
5th book: The tracing inconsistency is a real problem. It may also point out the increasing corruption of the ministry. In book 3, Harry blows up his aunt and Fudge clears him from all charges, (to make it up to Harry) as Sirius Black escaped from their own grip "trying to kill Harry". In book 5, Harry enchants a Patronus to PROTECT Dudley and himself from Dementors but has to stand trial in front of the very same person - Fudge himself, who now is in strong denial of Harry's statement, that Voldemort has returned.
6th book: It's been stated that Dumbledore has learned Parseltongue after Harry's second year, to understand all the memories he collected on Tom Riddle.
7th book: There are different memory charms. Hermione used a different charm on her parents that substituted old memories of their daughter etc with new ones. Whereas the obliviate charm which she used on those death eaters, wipes out entire memories for good.
Cansu Oder I simply can’t believe that Snape, who was in at least regular contact for long stretches of time at least twice in his life with Voldemort ( both before and after his rebirth) would not have taken the time to learn parseltongue. He was a spy. Why not have that advantage? I don’t think it could be learned. I think it was something only the descendants of Salazar Slytherin could do.
I'm not sure, but with the trace one... is it not the problem he uses magic, but that he uses magic in front of a muggle? Like, that's what he gets arrested for. In all other times, there was no muggle around (if I remember correctly).
With the trace, I thought if magic was performed and there was an adult witch or wizard nearby it would not be triggered as it would be attributed to them (hence children from magical families getting away with underage magic). In the second book they thought Harry had done magic because he was the nearest wizard and it would not have registered Dobby since he is a house elf
Why do they have Christmas and Easter holidays like muggles, but literally no other religious services?
Probably because of children with muggle parent(s) who might be religious, so over time they probably took it over or something.
They have hints of relogious beliefs, if not they wouldn't place Bible passages in Kendra Dumbledore and Lily and James Potter's graves.
I live in a country where 90 % of people are atheists, but everybody celebrates Christmas and Easter, in a non-religious way (gift-giving, egg hunts). Because everybody loves holidays, so I gues wizards do too. :) Also, kids from magical families go to muggle schools first before they start at Hogwarts.
Honestly this is one I've settled on just being that it wasn't mentioned in the story because it wasn't important to harry and wasn't important to the story. Hogwarts has many empty rooms, I'm sure more than a few have probably been taken over for religious services.
Wizards celebrated the pagan festivals those holidays are based on and then over time evolved into the type of Christmas we see in the books. Probably
Honestly, everything around the time turner ist just the biggest plot hole ever. I always get annoyed by the fact that Hermione has charms and something else (can’t remember, runes maybe?) OWLs at the same time. This cannot be, then everybody taking the other class must have had a time turner as well, as charms is obligatory. Why would a school even do classes at the same time and with this make it impossible for pupils to attend? And when Hermione ditches 2 classes it suddenly turns out perfectly fine? Not logic.
EDIT: I posted my comment and then realised that you were actually talking about the OWLS. I haven't read it in a long time, but if I remember correctly, all the Houses passed their OWLS together, and in this case there is indeed a plothole and you're right, all the other students should have been given a timeturner, not just Hermione ! Sorry for misunderstanding your comment !
Each year of each House has its own timetable, with only a few classes being common. In their third year, each students has to study several new options out of 5 options proposed. So there can be several classes at the same time because all the students don't have the same classes at the same time (for example, the Gryffindors can have Charms on mondays and the Ravenclaws on thursdays). The problem with Hermione is that she chose ALL the options available and not just a few, so her timetable is completely messed up, and that's why she needs a timeturner.
There's still a plothole, though, because when Hermione ditches Divination, she tells Harry and Ron that now she has the same number of options than they do, but that's not true: she has 4 (Care of Magical Creatures, Arithmancy, Muggle Studies and Runes) and they only have 2 (Divination and Care of Magical Creatures).
The school does classes at the same time because the children had to choose which classes they would like to go to. Just Hermione couldn't decide, because she is Hermione and this is how her schedule become overfilled and Why she needed the time turner.
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If she had a normal amount of classes, which according to her is 3 electives, she wouldn't need the time turner. She would have just been put into another house's class for whatever class conflicted.
It's actually possible that All of the Gryffindor third years chose to only take Divination and Care of Magical Creatures, so the professors put one of the other electives at a time when the Gryffindors had a core class.
Meaning Hermione, the only outlier Gryff would have had to take, like you said, charms with another house.
Of course, this becomes a plot hole because if Percy got his 12 OWLs, then he had to take all the classes, or at least pass all the OWLs for classes he didn't even take. If Percy didn't use a time turner, that means that a schedule could be made so that no class intersected. But, then again, maybe it just inconvenienced another student in another house, or forced a class to be later in the day than preferred by the professor teaching it.
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He could have passed for classes he didn't take. OWLs are the wizard version of GCSEs, which you can do without having taken the associated class, although that might only be for languages.
So do wizards growing up in a wizard house just get more magic privileges and chances to practice magic? That feels like discrimination and places muggle borns at a huge disadvantage
Little wizard kids don´t have wands (at least not properly functioning ones), and also, if you as a muggle born are smart and practice enough, learning how to use magic in Hogwarts will be just as easy for you.
They still have an advantage. Wizard kids are exposed to magic from birth. They have pure blood privilege. Some muggle borns are probably better at magic than pure bloods but that doesn't mean wizard born kids don't have an advantage. They can still lose on easy mode.
It’s not that they’re allowed to practice magic, it’s that there’s so much legal magic going on in wizarding households, they can’t keep it straight. The trace doesn’t tell the ministry who performed that magic, only where. So they would assume magic coming from a wizarding family household is an adult. And that the adults can keep the kids from doing magic. But there’s still a hole.. why didn’t the magic mr Weasley, tonks, etc performed at the Dursleys set off the trace?
@@majesticmicrobes60 Didn't they pick up Harry on his 17th birthday? He would be old enough to practice magic by then
GreatDaneLegend yes! That’s a great point.
All of these have an obvious solution
Magic
Yeah but magic isn't real, silly
Yeah, this is the issue with Harry Potter.
Magic is what causes some of those plotholes, because they could be fixed with magic
Something came to me. Harry Potter has that map and still Mad eye Moody turning out to be Barty Crouch Jr.
Moody took that map from him midway through the book
He appears as Bartemius (was that the correct spelling?) Crouch on the map, because technically that’s his full name and “Junior” doesn’t count as part of it. That’s why that scenario took place on the stairs, when Harry saw Crouch’s name in Snape’s office. That was the first time he noticed the phenomenon and then Moody took it immediately afterwards. And with all the panic from almost getting caught by Snape, he didn’t get to look at the map for a few minutes in between seeing Crouch in Snape’s office and having it taken from him.
In the book, Harry sees Moody/Barty on the map as "Barty Crouch" as he breaks into Snape's office for ingredientes for the Polyjuice Potion, so Harry got there to see what's going on and was almost getting caught by Snape as he saw Barty (as Moody) getting out of Snape's office. So the map did show Barty as Bary even when he impostered, it's not a plothole
I'm more baffled that Fred and George had than map for two and half years and never once questioned why there was a guy called Peter Pettigrew in their brothers dorm?
the thing about being forced into giving up the information is saying methods like the imperious curse, legilimancy, and veritaserum, things that take the info against your will won't work. but if your physically tortured and you talk, your willingly giving it up to stop the torture.
But is it explicitly explained in the books? I don't remember...
+William Soto no it's not, that was just the only explanation I could think of when I read the books
so what's the "cool" aspect of a secret keeper? ...
EXACTLY!!
Even simpler than that.
All Voldemort has to do is torture someone next to Sirius until he gives it up..
11:56 "I stayed, master."
"Out of fear, Wormtail. Not loyalty."
The one I have an issue with, and this is SO nitpicky, but in COS after the deathday party when harry hears the basilisk, H R & H run up and find the first writing on the wall and Mrs Norris. Everyone is leaving the halloween feast and going back to their common rooms, cornering H R & H. Unless im remembering wrong, they're on the second floor, so whY are the slytherins there when their common room is in the dungeons? also why are people coming from both ends of the hallway when they were all supposed to be at the feast and coming from one place? Unless there is a third end to the hallway for people to be funneling into, but then H R & H would have been able to escape. Like I said, nitpicky, but geT IT TOGETHER JK
The Slytherins part is definitely a plot hole, but the second bit can be explained by the moving staircases; there are multiple ways of moving about the school, so as convoluted as it seems students could plausibly arrive from both sides.
Or we can just say its the film and the pupils comung from both sides and cirnering them is a cinematic mean without any thought..?
@@claraboe2755 I would love to say that but its in the book too that there are students coming from both ends of the corridor. *sigh*
Laura McCullagh oh shit... so maybe what hans ollo said... but it probably just is a plothole
isn't there another common room near the kitchen?
if there had to be a third party secret keeper, who in their right mind wouldn't choose Dumbledore ?!!!
I think there was something in the books, that Dumbeldore proposed that they take Sirius, so mabey thats why they didnt ask, but im not even entirely sure that it wasnt just a dream i had as a kid :D
dumbledore offered to be secret keeper himself, but they went with Sirius. Also sirius wanted to lead voldemort and his cronies away from the potters thats why he asked them to change secret keepers with pettigrew because he knew no one in their right mind would think pettigrew would be given the secret.
Making Peter a secret keeper is still illogical. Suppose, if he was not on the voldemort side then also he was a friend of James and could be simultaneously targeted with serious, remus.
Answer to all the plot holes
Magic
Or...
A WIZARD DID IT!!! 😂😂😂
FYI this could be wrong because I don't fully remember every detail of the scene. It's just speculation but I think *Dumbledore was able to understand that conversation between the Gaunts in parseltongue* because the memory belonged to someone who could understand said language (one of the Gaunts).
Imagine this scenario: I'm a portuguese wizard who was given a memory by a fellow french wizard. The memory consists of this wizard having a conversation in french with another person and then someone else passes by and says something in portuguese.
So, I don't know how to speak french and the owner of the memory doesn't know any portuguese however, when seeing this memory, I know what the french wizards are talking about; but since the french wizard doesn't know portuguese, his brain can't catch what that person who passed by said, so to him it's just gibberish which in turn also sounds gibberish to me (like when Slughorn changed his memory so we couldn't understand he and Tom were talking about Horcuxes).
Newt I’d argue that depending on the clarity of the memory it might be possible for you, a hypothetical Portuguese wizard, to understand the Portuguese. Since we’ve seen that viewing the memory allows you to see much more detail than a normal person could remember (and even parts that they couldn’t remember since they shouldn’t be able to see behind them) it’s possible that the French wizard would remember the sounds well enough to be understood by a Portuguese speaker, though it might be difficult or garbled as the French speaker would likely remember them in terms of French sounds and the closest sounding French words, however this would be complicated and less likely in languages that convey information in ways foreign to the wizard’s whose memory it is. For example, an English speaking wizard overhearing Chinese likely wouldn’t be able to pick up on, or much less remember the tonality of what was being said, which can entirely change the meaning in Chinese. But that’s just my two-cent long winding ramble that kinda diverges from the topic
That's a pretty interesting idea! Though, the memory that she mentions in the video is taken from Bob Ogden, who does not understand parceltounge.
Dumbledore actually learnt it, it’s said it’s impossible to learn, but it really means that it is impossibly hard to learn, it would require years and years and years of study, probably just enough time from when the chamber was opened to when book 6 happened, over 30 years, for him to have basic comprehension skills
How about this, legilimens
@@jasonlihan2325 Legilimens on a person who appears in a different person's memory? Arrgh, my brain hurts!
It’s actually really inspiring as someone writing a novel series that things can be so messed up and still be good. People ether don’t notice or let it go.
In the case of Harry Potter people notice but they don’t care at all.
I remember letting some go. I remember a couple of them really bugging me. I missed others all together. For a moment I thought the time turner thing was cool, while the twist was happening and buckbeak was being saved, etc...and then that seemed ridiculous the more I thought about it... Forget about that kind of magic being way too big of a Pandora's box overall.... Even who would entrust that to a child!!!!? Even an honor student... That's just nuts. It's fine for children's story. But this turned out to be and everyone story!
Hermione had never used the “obliviate” charm, which erases memories. She used a memory hiding charm. She hid her parents memories of her specifically. She wasn’t erasing their memories, she was hiding her existence from their memories. Ron says that the death eaters need to be obliviated. There is more than one memory charm.
Well then it's all on the wording: video poster seems to think Hermione said "never performed a MEMORY CHARM" which is still wrong even with your correction. So does she say "never performed a memory charm" or "never performed Obliviate"?
@@LordofFullmetal So I just looked in the book and Ron says, "But I've never done a Memory Charm" and Hermione says, "Nor have I, but I know the theory." My understanding is that the capitalized 'Memory Charm' is supposed to indicate specifically Obliviate, which Hermione hasn't done before. What Hermione did do is create new memories for her parents and basically give them each a whole new identity - so she's never erased memories, she's only created false ones
Case in point: Lockhart specifies that he's gifted with "memory charms". There isn't just one.
@@shainalusterman3703 True, it was a Confundus charm.
I might be wrong, but I thought that it wasn’t hermione that said she erased her parents memories. I thought it was harry mocking her. This scene has always been so confusing to me. I can’t figure out who’s saying what.
#7: Hermione STATES that she has never performed a memory charm before, but it may be that she simply does not wish to admit what might be considered a nefarious and uncaring act.
Or she'd rather not think about it as it was and still is an extremely painful thing to do. I too think it has more to do with Hermione refusing to face reality than a real plothole.
No she said she hasn’t obliviated someone she hid her parents memories
@@thanushehehe7302 she still used the memory charm she just used it 2 modify their memories rather than erase them the memory charm has multiple uses just like how voldy used it on his uncle 2 make his uncle confess 2 the murders of voldys dad & grandparents
She told Harry and Ron exactly what she did with the memory charm on her parents (although I don’t think she called it a memory charm in this interaction) earlier in the book when Harry tries one last time to persuade them not to come with him hunting Horcruxes.
100% what I was thinking. It was dramatic irony illustrating her own distaste of her own actions.
If you give up info due to torture, I don’t think that’s force in the same way. My understanding was that you can’t mind control them or drug them to get the info, but if you make them uncomfortable such that they willingly tell you to stop the pain, that isn’t force in the way the spell is concerned about. Like the person still chose to give up the information regardless of the reason for the choice.
Regarding being your own secret keeper... yeah, that’s strange. I was surprised by that as well.
Well remember people could be updating these spells and the version the Potters used was an older version that didn't allow that function. Imagine spells being used over and over and someone is like "Oh if I move my wand this way the spell works a bit better" and then that gets explored till it becomes the new normal.
Weasley's skillset might be specifically tailored towards being good at this kind of thing. he's a cursebreaker, it might be close enough.
also, thats wild speculation and so should be ignored.
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In book 6 dumbledore said something about he can't get the memory from Horacio by veritaserum. You can resist the power of potion if you know about it. But in Goblet Dumbledore made Barty to drink it while he was uncontious, so he didn't realize he had swallowed the potion.
Secret Keeper: the condition as described is to willingly give up the secret in order to break the protection. If you were to be tortured and then gave up the secret to end the torture, then you have willingly given up the information.
Therefore, Sirius expected to be tortured and wasn't sure whether he would hold out under extreme magical torture.
So basically. it's useless
@@readysetmood9473 Well, no. As with any security system irl, you really can't ever have perfect infallible security. The main goal is to make it difficult or time consuming to circumvent the security. Locks on your doors for example are useless against anyone who is deadset on getting into your house or car because they can always smash a window or even pick the lock.
That doesn't mean you just leave your house or car unlocked.
Actually no giving up the secret under torture ISNT voluntary as its literally do wat i want or the pain continues THATS THE DEFINITION OF COERCION
@@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 that's a matter of opinion. Ultimately you choose to end the pain. I believe the books specifically mention the Imperius curse and Verituserum overwrite your will and therefore cannot be used to undo secret keeping, but torture was left somewhat ambiguous.
@@Drummerx04 jk clarifies on pottermore that the info CANT b tortured out of u & wdym matter of opinion the very point of torture is 2 coerce info out of a person
Ok, i think it's like Xena the warrior princess says: Whenever you find a plothole it means a wizard did it
Don't you mean Lucy Lawless? xD
the veritaserum is an interesting one. at one point Fudge says "[Barty] Crouch may have *believed* Voldemort was back." which basically makes veritaserum about as useful as sodium thiopental.
it doesn't make you state fact, it makes you speak what you consider to be the truth.
which means if you are under the effects of veritaserum and you are aware of it, you can deliberately spout all kinds of barely associated opinion and bias and have it satisfy the potions requirements of you.
"What were you doing last night?"
"I was at home, i made tea, i drank it. at 6 i had dinner. by 9 i was in bed, and i slept."
"Good, you're not the murderer then."
he is the murderer, it just happened between 7 and 8 and didn't lie. it requires careful questioning.
follow up question then- can you use obliviate on yourself? can you have a friend use a fidelius charm to make a fact unspeakable to stop veritaserum?
Number one: After 7 years of magical education harry knows less than 10 spells
But he could write a book on 1001 Uses for Expeliarmus (That are better solved by other dedicted spells)
Just in the movies he uses more than 30 spells, even more in books
1. Expelliarmus (used it LOTS of times)
2. Expecto Patronum (used it on Boggarts and actual Dementors)
3. Reducto (He taught this to the DA)
4. Point Me (He used this on the 3rd Triwizard Task in the Maze)
5. Stupefy (I can't specify a specific but sure he used this)
6. Riddikulus (Used in the Maze)
7. Rictusempra (Duel with Malfoy)
8. Wingardium Leviosa (Prolly the first spell he ever learned)
9. Impedimenta (Used on the Skrewt in the Maze)
10. Accio (Used on his Firebolt in the 1st Triwizard Task fighting the Hungarian Horntail and to try and summon the Horcrux while with Dumbledore)
11. Engorgio (Used it on a spider)
12. Reducio (Used it again on the spider)
13. Diffindo (Used to cut Cedric's bag and replace the cover of the Half Blood Prince's book with the new copy)
14. Confringo (Don't recall him using this but taught it to the DA)
15. Tergeo (Used it to remove dust in Bathilda's house)
16. Lumos (Used it a lot as well)
17. Nox (Of course he used it everytime he used Lumos too)
18. Protego (Used it during their DADA class with Snape)
19. Petrificus Totalus (Taught to the DA)
20. Alohomora (Used it on the Snitch Dumbledore gave him)
21. Episkey (I think he used it on Katie when her nose bled)
22. Reparo (Used it on his wand)
23. Rennervate (Used it on Dumbledore when he was unconscious while in the cave)
24. Aguamenti (Used it when he wanted to fill the goblet with water for Dumbledore)
25. Immobulus ( I THINK he used this but don't recall when)
26. Furnunculus (Used it when he was fighting with Draco)
Then Snape's Spells...
27. Langlock (I think he used it on Filch or Peeves)
28.Levicorpus (Used it on Ron and tried to use it on Snape)
29. Liberacorpus (Used it on Ron to reverse the Levicorpus spell)
30. Muffliato (Used it on Madam Pomfrey and lots of other people)
31. Rictusempra (Used it on Draco and tried to used it on Snape)
32. That charm he used on Goyle (probably) that makes you grow your toenails very long
33. Confundo (used it on the Probity Probes at Gringotts)
And of course the Unforgivable Curses...
34. Crucio (Used it on Amycus Carrow after he spat on McGonagall's face, and also tried to use it on Bellatrix)
35. Imperio (Used it on Travers and Bogrod so they can go to the Lestranges' vault)
36. Avada Kedavra (He knew this one but NEVER used it)
I know he knew more but I'm ending it there.
@@ma.sofiararoque2762 Harry did use confringo on the death eaters in the dearthly hallows movie. It was awesome.
@@timtam3730 yeah, I've seen that. I was actually thinking of putting it, but this list I made was focused only on the spells he used in the books. Maybe he did use it in the books and I just couldn't remember. I'm sure though, that he didn't use Confringo on the Death Eaters in the books
P. S. I might've used too much "in the books" in making this reply. lmao.
I think Dumbledore was a manipulative bastard who was testing Harry.
Have you been reading fanfics
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Bianca Diastasi honestly same
He was
Preeti Yadav the entire first book doesn’t makes sense if Dumbledore didn’t make the maze in propose. Literally, why do you have to hide an object under many traps that could be passed by agility and intelligence? I bet that he knew Voldy was coming for the stone and manipulate Harry and his friends into getting it.
Didn't Dumbledore somewhat screwed over the 5th years' OWLS in the second book for hiring Lockhart? I'm convinced he hired him just to expose him lmaoo
The major problem with the series is that JKR had no idea at all just how popular this universe was to become.The kids who loved it are already encouraging their own kids to enjoy it. And although that may eventually dilute, by then, HP will have become engrained into the psych of the population and will become as revered as Dickens or perhaps even Shakespeare. In my time as a writer, I once wrote a twelve book series and I can confirm that holding it all together without making any errors is very hard work!
Love the channel, thank you. I am surprised at the low viewing figures though.
Oh word? 12 book series?? what series, may i ask?
Yeah no. It wont be revered as Dickens or Shakespeare. Everybody knows Harry Potter is not a work of art. Im gonna give you a anime example, Naruto, which is not a work of art, is really engrained in the psych if the population, but its not revered, people have heads. Bleak house (Dickens) is a work of art, same thing for Twelfth Night (one of or the most intricate Shakespeare's play) for example.
William Drouin At least Harry Potter is entertaining to read. Dickens and Shakespeare have masterful command of language and story mechanics but their stories are boring and the characters have little depth to them. I personally think that being captivating and enjoyable with relatable characters is more important. Harry Potter also has a sense of magic that these stories don’t have. It will be a classic.
Ariel Steinsaltz Characters in Harry Potter dont have depth. Characters in shakespeare do. I agree some characters in dickens are one dimensional, but some have huge depth. If we're talking depth, nothing beat Leopold Bloom from Ulysses
William Drouin I haven’t read Ulysses, but even my AP Literature teacher said that it was incredibly painful to read. As for depth in Shakespeare characters... most of the men are driven purely by their sex drive, and the women are either damsels in distress or the cunning, manipulative one. The only one of his plays I’ve read where it feels like the characters really have depth is Macbeth, which is why it’s my favorite.
As for the Harry Potter characters, the depth of the characters is what made me fall in love with the series. Harry himself is probably the weakest defined, but he still feels three dimensional to me and so do all the people around him. Hermione Granger, in my opinion, is one of the best literary characters of all time.
Obviously the Harry Potter books aren’t masterpieces of language the way those other books are, and they don’t have the same metaphorical resonance or cause as much self-reflection in some cases. But I think there is something to be said for accessibility, and widespread appeal. What’s the use of a near-perfectly written book if nobody actually wants to read it? Or can understand it? Readability matters. I think a less perfect book read by more people is more important, because of its impact. And Harry Potter teaches good messages-including to children, which is part of why it has such a great impact. So what if the writing style, at least in the first ones, isn’t perfect? In my opinion, it’s one of the greatest stories ever told, and one of the most captivating ones. There is a sense of wonder that can’t be replicated. With the books I write and attempt to publish, I will certainly attempt to emulate Harry Potter more than, say, Romeo and Juliet or Great Expectations. Those books emphasize writing a good book. The Harry Potter series emphasizes telling a good story.
about the Trace: I feel like there was something about how the ministry is actually really negligent about the Trace, but they were watching Harry especially closely at a particular time. And some of those instances (Like Mr. Weasley) could have been cleared by the ministry. And since Dobby's a house elf, his magic may have been of a different nature. I really don't know, those are just the things that came to mind for me.
Mr. Weasley received authorization from the Ministry to connect the house to the floo network so they knew that he was picking up Harry so that plot hole is solved.
Adult wizards don't have the trance on them. They can be anywhere, the ministry can't follow a adult wizard and find out their whereabouts or where they performed any magic, so even if harry was close/around it wouldn't have mattered, I also believe that since Dobby was a house elf his magic was of a different nature so that's why the ministry thought harry had preformed underage magic
The trace detects magic AROUND the age of underage wizards not by the specific caster. The trace is pretty much like a smoke detector but for magic.
It's established that house elves (and other creatures) have different sorts of magic, which is why Dobby was able to apparate in & out of Malfoy Manor in DH while all the wizards/witches could not (similarly with Fawkes the phoenix teleporting Dumbledore out of Hogwarts in OotP). As to why Tom Riddle wasn't Traced when he murdered his father...it could be that wizard society has been growing more strict & the Trace became a thing later, or Tom was clever enough to find a way to dupe it.
Dumbledore literally has a herd of domesticated thestrals. Of course he’s going to use them
The pipes are probably enchanted with the undetectable extension charm.
yeah, maybe they were enchanted in such a way that they adjust according to the flow and size of the amount of waste...there were many students in the school if not including the staff and the castle was also huge with a number of floors and different sections. I don't know, there are many variables which are needed to be considered and such.
Noo... There is a scene in movie where harry hides inside a pipe and basilisk was trying to find him by listening his sound.....
Pranav Ojha Yeah But that is just in the movie and was just really used to make the scene more dramatic. It never happens in the book so the extension charm is possible
@@bluu7964 we both meet at same point... And that is, it cannot be a plothole.... Reply me if u also think that this video is nothing more than a shit....😂😂🤣
@@pranavojha7251 She is plot holling her plot holes.. She says that if you have a big pipe, you need a big wide wall. No? Does Hermione have a really big bag to put everything in? No. Do the Weasleys have really big tent to put everyone in. No. Meh.
6:04 If someone is tortured, they'll give up information willingly to stop the pain.
Or what if they are given veritaserum?
Or someone could kill them, then Voldemort's spy, and they knew there was a spy they just didn't know who could have just told him
...no.... that's not how willingness works
nothing will ever be as funny as americans calling fleur “floor”
Book 3: why didn't Fudge, from the ministry, work out that Hermione COULD have used the time turner which had to be approved by the ministry?
Answer to "plot hole" in Book 1: The government takes forever! Had they been expecting Dumbledore, things might have run smoothly. Since they weren't expecting one of their least favorite people to show up, who knows whom they had to send Owl letters to (some of which might not have even been in their offices, so they would have needed to track them down) in order to eventually say, "Mr. Dumbledore, your presence was not requested."
That's actually a pretty good explanation! Just imagine if the wizarding world had a DMV.
Wasn't the Ministry on good terms with Dumbledore until the end of the 4th book? Cornelius Fudge, in particular?
@@monnishp Yes they were
Good one
For book 2, also how did the basilisk get out of the pipes to petrify people? It's wider than a toilet or a sink? Where was the exit for the pipes?
"also how did the basilisk get out of the pipes to petrify people?" trough Ginny... aka diary
@@itsabooksworld what, is that what happens? Then why would it need the pipes?
@@HisNeverland Because someone needed to bring the basilisk in there maybe? That's what I think haha.
HisNeverland and how freakin lucky was it that no students died? They all somehow saw the basilisk through something. A reflection, a camera.. like really?
@@TheRealSlimPiggy i can work with that solution! Thanks :D