Jak and Daxter - Why Did It Change So Much? (Jak and Daxter Discussion)
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Jak II is the only time in gaming history where choosing to go "edgy" with an already established family friendly game worked gloriously.
It didn't work for me. I tried, I really did. I just missed the gameplay of the first one too much to get into Jak II.
Nah, that was a bad decision as well
Nah, Jak 2 II and 3 were HUGE missteps. The original game is amazing and legendary and the sequels are... forgettable at best.
@@samoslich8131 Yeah. It would have worked better if jak 2 and jak 3 were part of a new OG IP
I like how the minority says the sequels are forgettable at best, when the majority literally always talk about how much they loved the sequels, and constantly forget that the first game was nothing like them.
The sequel was the result of people constantly complaining that it was too easy. So NaughtyDog reacted by creating Jak ll, one of the hardest platform games of 2003. Moral of the story: be careful what you wish for.
lol
lol
people thought Jak II was hard?
@Treymarr Faucie I dont remember any mission that was particularly hard. Do you have a particular mission in mind that is of the pure cancer type?
I see what you did there with the "be careful what you wish for" quote
Jak 2 is what got me hooked on Playstation 2.
it got me hooked on the the jak and daxter franchise
norm welthagen L
Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy was the best!
I liked Jak when he didn't talk and wasn't pumped with a bunch of dark Eco. When I was a little boy I always used to compare myself to Jak because he was too shy to speak and so am I
Mister BandiP0wer75 Maybe you should grow up with Jak and learn to be more out there, and talk more.
For me it was jak 2
I personally LOVED the change. Jak 1 was fun to play, but 2 & 3 took the cake for me. The story felt like it expanded a lot more it had a more darker tone to it.
Especially 3
can one simply say they enjoyed all of the games for their childhood? i though of the jak series as a huge tale. and the mechanics of the game reflected the story.
Tristan Paulson I can! I loved all three. Obviously, I have my preference, which is the feel of the 2nd and 3rd games but it doesn't mean I don't also love the simplicity and innocence of the first one.
Its not really a mystery naughty dog have explained he change in a few interviews... They simply wanted him to mature and grow up a bit and be more aware of the danger that surrounded him. And as the devs grow up they wanted to work ona mature title.. Thats why theyre making titles like the last of us and uncharted now...
they started creation of jak 4 but went with a very realistic vibe that they though wouldnt do it justice so they scrpped it... for now...
alex nanton there just making excuses they can easily make another jak game there just being lazy
phil ty they could literally use the same engine and just refine textures for 1080p and i wouldnt are
django chubbinz I hope if they ever do it that they keep it colorful and cartoony like the others instead of falling into the common trap of "realism at all costs" that so many big developers seem to chase nowadays.
progste I'm a pretty big fan of having really realistic games. But I agree with the fact that it's sucking the diversity out of games.
What I really want, is a good 3rd person platformer with super crisp controls. Jak is a good example...uncharted can be a bit loosey-goosey (still like it tho)
They shouldn't have called it Jak 2. It should've been called HiJak, amirite?
BA DUM TSS
Your profile picture fit perfectly with that comment
XD was gonna say that Samiu haha
Profile pic...surprisingly matches comment.
Inkwell nah
I like to think Jak 1 was a metaphor to childhood and Jak 2 a metaphor to growing up, noticing real life isn't as colorful as it used to be but still being able to find happiness
I like to call Jak II "Jak Theft Auto", lol.
I was surprised too, I mean, that was one big change, but, I have to say that it's one of my favorites.
Carlos Guadalupe lol
And Jak 3 was Mad max
I think the influence of Ratchet and Clank had something to do with the inclusion of firearms in Jaks 2 and 3.
I thought the GTA influence was obvious...
lol same didn't ever bother me.
still pretty unique
It was literally stated by the developer that they were going for the GTA 3 market.
If you want a more drastic change, check out Saints Row 2 and Saints Row the Third, that is a very drastic change lol
Yup
Nah, I mean sure, that was drastic, but Saints Row has just been progressively been getting crazier throughout the series, and the overall formula kind of stayed the same in that. In J&D, it just completely changed after the first game.
V3X21 No it didn't. The Formula was the same. They just changed the order. Like Y=X+Z. In Jak 2 they changed in to Z=Y-X. Same Formula. Different order of variables. Both Games still had the same core gameplay. Just instead of Collecting Orbs to play more missions like in the first one you played missions to get access to more areas to collect more orbs in the others ones. (Though the collecting part was opitonal in 2 and 3). And Yes of course they added new stuff in each sequel. Thats how games work. Games dont stay the same for each installment. If thats what they did they mind as well not even make a new game.
Zachary Roach Not at all what I meant but OK.
+V3X21 Well actually I think what they did was an example of an evolution franchise. Think about it why would it change so much you may ask simple as the audience grows so do their tastes in Gaming and I guess they thought that if the audience grows up so do they with their games so there you go for my theory. And think about it Naughty Dog was once probably a kid but once they got to Jak & Daxter 2 they became like a Teen and the games suddenly got more & more mature as they get older Uncharted I would say they were a Young Adult because I think of it like an Evolution Theory for Naughty Dog once they got to the TLOU they became an older adult and started to focus more on Story than Gameplay. So there you go I thought of a theory that could actually make sense why the company has changed so much with their games.
Precursor legacy was my fave of them all, as it hade that classic collectable gameplay, and power cells for helping out villagers & such.. A Jak and Daxter 4 like the first one would be a dream come true for me and I'm sure a lot of you guys too
ehhh, after JakX and The Lost Frontier, i just want Jak and Daxter back to how they use to LOOK.
+ELiT3 GaM3R that's literally what that guy just said he wants
King Nicholas No i literally meant how THEY LOOK, their appearance. Jak looks completely stupid in JakX and The Lost Frontier. They made them look to old and the voices for the lateset Jak games sucked.
The Jak in Jak x is a year older than he was in Jak 3.
@@Tyrik73 only a year and he looked like shit in x and lost frontier.
Obviously, GTA III had a huge impact on the Jak and Daxter franchise. The thing, is that Naughty Dog does games based on popular things for its time (when 3D platformers were popular, they made Crash Bandicoot; when zombies became popular, they make The Last of Us). Jak & Daxter 1 was developed in a time where Banjo 2 was the shit, and Jak 2 was developed when GTA III was the shit.
Something similar happened to the Sonic series. When GTA was the shit, they gave Shadow some guns and a darker atmosphere and made Shadow The Hedgehog.
lol.. I can't believe I just read this.
tmonk98 Could you elaborate a little?
Nothing to elaborate, this entire statement was just plain incorrect.
tmonk98 Can you tell me WHY is incorrect?
Where and why do you believe that GTA had any influence at all on these character designs? Maybe the artist was just thought up of a new design for when.jak got older. Plenty of characters go through the exact same thing. Saying that he changed it because of GTA III is just silly.
What i loved about jack 1 so much is that you weren't required to get all the power cells.. you could just get enough to get by which made wanting to collect all 100 that much more enjoyable and worth it, and by wanting to get all 100 you explored the world, talked to NPC's that you didn't have to if you just wanted to get to the end, and other cool stuff.. but in jack 2 you were basically forced to do every single mission.. you couldn't skip one, there weren't NPC's you could just go up and talk to, and it turned into a linear game where you never explored the world.. how many people just drove around the city just to look at stuff.. I can tell you that I didn't, and i'm pretty sure most people didn't as well.. besides the little challenges there was nothing to see, no hidden places to platform up to, no thrill of "could there be a power cell here from jack 1 or am i just wasting time", no environmental changes, etc.... To me it turned somewhat boring as i played on.. (Now don't get me wrong I love the game, and the whole jack series, but the feeling of jack 1 is something which made me love the game"
jak*
DarkestDawn2 Dawn :/
Sorry if I sound a little offensive, but can't you read "Jak?" I really hate it when some people call him "Jack," and the same thing applies for Daxter if he gets called "Dexter."
its pronounced the same way.. so it doesnt really matter, but I am just used to typing Jack that's why I accidentally did it that way
Or maybe it does matter cause if you keep saying "Jack," then you're not a close/true fan.
I love Jak 2, it's actually the one I enjoy playing the most. But there's something special about the first one that pulls at that nostalgia. I feel they made the transition too early, and Jak 2 should have been the the third game. Too make such a huge change was bound to put off some people even if it was executed ( mostly) well.
I played Jak 2 first and fell in love with it. I got The Precursor Legacy afterwards and was like "what in the fuck is this?" I guess it depends on where you started. Even as a little kid, I preferred the mature stylings of Jak 2 over the original.
I think the change was completely necessary to continue the series, it's mainly the fact that there was an actual plot to be expanded on, and if Jak continued to be mute, it'd be really difficult to make the plot interesting with Daxter's sassiness carrying everything, the story needed a hero with somewhat of a character, or else it would've been more childish platforming and that would've been boring.
Personally i'd love a next gen Jak by Naughty Dog, they showed a lot of potential for an interesting story and a well rounded game in Jak 3. Please no more zombie games and Uncharted..
Dude, the reason is fuckin obvious, the game explain's that, first, jack is older, he has spent 2 years in jail, 2nd He has been subject to "dark force experiences" or some shit, and that actually explains his sudden (not so sudden since he has been in jail as I said before) change of personality.
Jak 2 was the first Jak game I ever played and then I played 3, when the trilogy came out I tried 1 and wasn't to crazy about it... :P
Jak and Daxter 1 was amazing as a kid
I remember being entirely surprised with Jak 2 especially when Jak spoke for the first time and I remember thinking it was super cool though unexpected I would say the only thing I was disappointed with in the series was the fact that most of the lore was sort of a mystery
Even though Jak 1 and Jak 2 were very different, they were both still extremely great games
The real difference was before jak II naughty dog only had 6 members, and the majority of problems they encountered they had the team head solve with particles, when they expanded and asked to join with sony, they had over 40 people on the team, which allowed for a lot more ideas to come forward, allowing for more stuff to happen in the game.
I went from Jak 2 and Jak 3 to Jak and Daxter and was really surprised that it was so different. I had no idea it was going to be so different.
In several documentaries that Naughty Dog has done from just going over Jak and Daxter or the history of the company in general, the people behind the series have said why they chose to go the route they did. If memory serves me correctly, the reason they decided to go with the gta look is because gta was very prevalent at that time and was very popular so they wanted to try to implement those features into the game while of course paint a story with fluent cutscenes, amazing dialogue, and a pretty interesting lore. As we all know, it worked amazingly well. So pretty much all you said was true except the Sony bit. Sony didn't push Naughty Dog for this idea, it was all their own stuff. Sony knows better than to push an idea onto the company that put PlayStation on the market. Bungie knows this especially well which is why they bailed away from Microsoft and decided not be be chained down.
If you think about it, Sly Cooper 2 also changed a lot when compared to the first one, though not as much as Jak 2 of course...That's mostly because back then, games where slowly starting to become more Open-World style. Well, they're still becoming more Open-World in the present.
Sly had much bigger changes in terms of gameplay. Jak had a bigger change in atmosphere and I guess target audience.
jay kj Exactly, well said!
I bought the collection and beat Precursor Legacy and just started Jak 2(blindly).My first 20 minutes were about me going THIS ISN'T SANDOVER VILLAGE,DAXTER and WHY AM I SO HAIRY AND BUFF?!
Jak 3 was my first ever video game. I find it super fun and challenge mode makes it harder for the people who get bothered by easy games. Jak 2 made me rage as a child took me 20 plus replays to finally beat it. I really liked the first one but Im not a collecting fest person but still amazing game.
An interesting question to think about is, how would they have had the story that Jak 2 had, but kept the gameplay style of Jak and Daxter?
Anyone else think the first one was the best? 2 and 3 just didn't have the same feel and I couldnt really get into them
I agree. It seems like everyone loves Jak2, but I prefer the first one. Jak2 just felt wrong to me and wasn't as enjoyable as the first one.
I feel 2 and 3 had many good points but I feel the change was a bit too drastic. After playing Jack I played 2 and it felt like they were trying too hard to be serious. Like "OH LOOK! jack was all kidnapped and experimented on and now he's turning into a monster and OMG! He said he's going to kill someone! OH and you can kill people now!" so in the end it all just felt so forced.
Also I didn't like how the Eco power thing was just scrapped for colored guns. Yeah you get the Dark transformation but didn't the first game keep saying that was a REALLY bad idea?
I was about to say "HOW THE F*CK IS KH 1 BETTER THAN 2... and... 3?" Then I remembered that I was watching one of the 4 non KH related videos on this channel"
TSW425 Dude, c'mon, step up your realization game. XD
true, because i bought the ps3 hd collection, beat number one, and as soon as i got to number two, i quickly lost the spark and didnt wanna play it...
Jak And Daxter The Precurser Legacy was my favourite not only because it was the original, but it was unique, the style was fun, challenging, kept you playing for hours just trying to get 100% completion (though I've never gotten so far as to complete it). One of my favourite aspects of the game is how atmospheric it is, in Sandover Village I felt happy as it was a colourful area, but then arriving in Rock Village took a dark alternative as it was burned, damaged, the weather was dull, it made you feel slightly more serious about the game, but all the way through I have to say the music is very uplifting, I also love the unique characters, even the ones that you only come across once or twice like the soldier in Rock Village or the fisherman in the Forbidden Jungle, it had a lot of cool minigames too speaking of the fisherman, fishing, shooting creatures and fending off ambushes in the Boggy Swamp etc
Jak 2 is my favorite.... its infamously difficult, but the story is SO amazing
Jak 2 is the hardest of the franchise.
+Simon Huang
Have you played it in "Hero mode"?
Asking me that is like asking me if I even played the game at all. So, yes
Simon Huang
lol
I'm still looking for some precursor orbs to unlock it.
Guadalupe oh I used a map guide for them lol. Way too hard to be found while playing.
I have like 163 now, I'm going to see how many I can find by myself
then, maybe I'll use some guide lolol
So all of you wanted the same thing as Jak 1? The guy in the video even says "why im not playing Jak 1? it feels like its a different game". seriously? its the sequel, its supposed to be a different game. Otherwise u would bitch about Jak 2 being the same as 1. Each game changed enough for it to feel fresh and fun. I loved Jak 2, and Jak 3 was even better.
Thank you someone who feels the same , the second game was different and yet amazing.
Except they kind of changed the whole genre. Jak 1 was my favorite game ever. But I don't like shooters at all, so I was disappointed with and honestly hated the sequels.
Link, The Hero of Winds i suppose i see youre point. Seeing a game change so much mustve been bad . Things have to change and sometimes for the better.
Played all 3 of the original games, but not the racing games, or frontier, and that was my childhood and honestly 1 and 3 were my favorite along with the sly cooper series.
Link, The Hero of Winds Ok... Just... no... the genre didnt change. The equipment did. It was still the same core game. There was still puzzles. Platforming. and Action. They just Updated the equipment they preformed these with. Which they should because it is a NEW and DIFFERENT game. Things must evolve. And to call Jak 2 or 3 a shooter is just... for lack of a better word. Stupid. They are not shooters. They have guns yes. But it is not a shooter. CoD is a Shooter. Halo is a Shooter. Battlefield is a shooter. Jak 2 and 3 is an action game with guns. And honestly If you hated the changes so much just play Jak 1 over and over again. Because they already perfected it right?
It was a very noticeable evolution to a darker setting. The difference between Super Mario 64 and GTA (unless Mario time warped to the future, grew out his hair, started shooting guns and hijacking hover cars).
It worked out fairly well though. For 10 year-olds who loved the first game, they were hitting their teen years at the release of the second and the change mirrored the transitions that they felt in their personal lives away from kid-friendly to more mature themes.
My idea for Jak 4 must go like this.
In my opinion the only way for Jak's story to make sense.
Daxter and Tess taking a warm relaxed spa just outside the city.
Jak getting pressured to become the leader of haven city.
He drop Torn's suggestion to become the leader. And continues doing what he's good in
Kicking ass in the arena and winning the races.
Will all the people gets fond of him and admires Jak it becomes too much for him
Eventually Jak needs to go incognito and tries to hide from the people and goes to dead town to Samo's old house. After sitting hours in the broken house of Samo's he recalls old memories when he was young playing in the house of samo's and meeting Daxter for the first time.
A few seconds earlier the portal in Samo's house opens and will Jak is lurking in the portal. He see's the future were everything is in chaos and no one following the rules. The fight for leadership in Haven City turns out into a revolution.
And will the rich and powerfull focus in becoming the world leader. The poor suffers and get beaten by thieves and thugs As he see's a innocent women getting attacked by a bunch of thugs.
Jak jumps in the portal and will he looks around he find himself in the past.
Will Jak knows he must not alter the past too much he must find a way to get back to the present. Will avoiding himself and Samos. He tend to go to the other sages to train him and giving him the knowledge how to go back to his own time.
He tend not to use his name Jak and use his birth name ''Mar''.
I can continu with this story but feedback? how do you think the story of Jak must go?
He's Mar who created everything in the precursor's places but when and how did he ever made all this?
John Velders Dude Amazing Storyline You nailed it
Send me pls your full storyline. Want to read it xD
Someone sign him please
The game developers thought everyone who played the game was growing up and they thought the JAk series should be a darker story and grow up. thats a Fact look it up
Retro Gaming Cool
Jak 2 is the best in my opinion. The characters, atmosphere, Haven city and other levels made the second game the best one
i loved jak 2. loved the feel, addition of dark jak etc
Looking back at Jak 2 as an adult, maybe it tried a little too hard to be edgy. Still a great game tho
Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy was my favourite of the series. I just wish they made Jak II similar to the first game before changing the genre completely. I recently watched a video on what Nuaghty Dog had planned for JaD but they ran out of time and had to get the game shipped and boy do I wish they finished. There was another hub for yellow sage with 3 more levels to explore, plus Volcanic Crater had another level planned, plus Gol and Maia's citadel was intended to be a hub with 3 more levels before going on to the final battle against them.
One of the saddest things ever! Precursor Legacy still my favourite game ever probably but this would have put it so over the top. It’s a real shame too because the first HUB (Sandover Village into beach, jungle and misty island) is an absolute masterpiece with the side quests from the villagers and the level of detail with the power cells in the actual levels. You can tell as the game goes on it gets progressively less detailed (rock village is still great and the levels with this, but there are less side quests and more of them just involve buying the power cells). Once you get to volcanic crater you have only two levels instead of three and no more side missions from other characters. Again it’s a massive shame given they showed their potential in the first HUB at what they could have done with time…
Just think of when it came out. Games like GTA, cod, and other gritty action games were coming out and the colorful platformers were losing steam.
I can't say for the "Grand Theft Auto"-esk aspects of the game. But for Jak's personality and the storyark as it was they did so because they wanted to align the series with an older audience(Early to late teens) And games those players liked involved guns and swearing. They did an AMAZING job with Jak's character and its probably for the best they made this move as it gave Jak more of a character instead of just being "Silent protagonist with weird powers"
I loved Jak 2. It all began as a funny, simple and colorful Jump'n run, but then, wush, it went into an amazing Granth Theft Auto styled Action Game with a great dark and dirty Cyberpunkt-Setting. The character's became more complex and mature. I was between a Child and a Teen when I played Jak 2 the first Time and I LOVED it! I loved the bigger focus on a good and interesting story, I loved the Setting, I loved the Gameplay, even if the game itself was very hard and i loved the new grim and speaking Jak with an actual personality. I mean, we were made into thinking that Jak and Daxter is a childs Franchise, but then in the first minutes of the game we see how our beloved silent Hero is punched with a riffle, tortured fpr two years, turned into a monster with "I'm going to kill Praxis!" as his first words. THAT WAS AWESOME! But was I loved most was, that naughty dog understood that even younger Players can appreciate a deep and dark story and love playing as an anti-hero.
what's funny/weird is that after playing and completing Jak & Daxter: TPL, i thought that i'd instantly fall in love with the sequels but weirdly enough, i didnt take much of a liking to them at first.. it actually took me a few years to mature in my videogame taste to find Jak 2 and Jak 3 enjoyable which is literally a physical representation of how many years they matured the game from the first to second game lol. i literally had to grow up to find interest in them. that's just my personal experience with the franchise though. would love to see Jak 4 on the PS4 but unfortunately that doesnt look very likely
I got all 3 for PS3 they had them all on sale for I think $15 anyways I loved the first one very Mario 64 ish the 2nd I absolutely hated but I really enjoyed the 3rd I'm currently playing Daxter on my PSP Go it's okay but repetitive.
Ife Ade same thing happened to me :D
I didn't like the dark tradition from when I was little but after a couple of years later, I started playing jak 2 again and it became my favorite game
Changing market tastes is why. GTA 3 came out and was a massive success, so there was a bigger, industry wide push for more open ended action games that skewed in a more mature direction. Naughty Dog sort of met those ideas halfway with Jak 2 and 3. I realize this video is over a year old, but Jason Rubin talks about it on the Devs Play for Jak over on Double Fine's channel.
The first Jak and Daxter after all these years is still my favorite, I enjoy 2&3 but for different reasons then how I enjoy 1. I think there's no denying that GTA3 had way too much of an influence on the direction of Jak 2. Personally I would have prefered a Jak 2 that didn't feature GTA3 elements and had more of the colorful outdoor exploration and collectathon elements of the first game.
I'm tired of people saying during the change it became too serious. There was a lot of comedy mainly coming from Daxter interacting with other characters. Even Jak had some funny moments.
I saw an interview with the game director. Basically, Naughty Dog wanted to do a more story focused and didn't really like that Jak was a blank slate in the first game.
I didn't know you played the Jak and Daxter series too! I found you through Kingdom Hearts, your videos helped me with the Ultima Weapon in KH 1 and 2, as well as the data battles in KHII.
I'm going through Birth By Sleep, down to Aqua now, and playing Jak II during down time.
my favorite is #3 jak 2 was awesome but some missions were hard but my least favorite above it is where's are the frickin checkpoints!
i loved jak and daxter. Jak 2 was awesome, but it was my least favorite.
I was still pretty young when i got the second game and the difficulty really turned me off, specifically a few certain missions everyone knows about...
The drill platform lmao.
third one was the best had so much fun with it
Naughty dog said that they were influenced by GTA3
I remeber this when best buy selling this game and I played it in the store a little good times.
I always consider Jak 2 to be what yakuza was to sega as the gaming market was changing and was leaning more towards young adults and adults and so how yakuza worked well, jak 2 is the same
Jak 2 was my first game.
And ironically it was the hardest game I ever played.
Jak 2 is my favorite, I like seeing how dark the game gets its like a analogy for puberty and about boys coming into to adulthood and becoming a man, and how many choice you
Have once you become an adult.
You can check the interview of the studio on the playstation channel they are going in-depth on every game and the studio :)
Naughty dog said they were heavily inspired by GTA 3 and loved it.
Jak 2 was the best one and one of the greatest games of all time
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um, maybe it was the simple question where do you go?
jak and daxter was a great game, but once the story was done...where do you go from there...
it could also be people kept saying it was like crash bandicoot, which a lot of people loved, but naughty dog might have wanted to get away from that
Sometimes it is good when they stop making new games. It means the old ones were sufficient. Plus, making a new game would probably have bigger shoes to fill in order to add to the already expansive storyline; if the game flops, it could even hurt the enjoyment of the older games. Just look at starwars as a brand to get an idea. After the new movies, a lot of people got turned off from star wars.
There's only one way of getting jak back and that is if we let Sony know we want it back, not naughtydog but Sony and im sure Sony will find a way to bring jak back wether it's giving it to another dev like Mr. Cerny or maybe ready at dawn. By the way ready at dawn needs to cancel any plans at a sequel to the order and focus on making a jak game lol it would sell a lot more.
As a kid I never even noticed the significant change. To me it all feels completely justified to create the fantastic story. Honestly I feel like the first game is much less fun to play, and prefer the second and third games much more.
Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy was revealed at E3 in June 2001. The game had a budget of $14 million and a development cycle that lasted nearly three years. In that time, they managed to create a fully interactive world and conceived a narrative that would allow for more meaningful character development. The two central characters also went through a rigid design process that took inspiration from both Manga and Disney animation. They had initially planned on introducing a third character who would evolve as the game progressed in a Tamogotchi-style fashion. However, this idea was scrapped as it led to several unnecessary complications. The game's soundtrack was recorded at Mutato Muzika Studios, and was produced by Mark Mothersbaugh with Josh Mancell composing the score.
When Jak and Dexter Precursor Legacy came out, I played it nonstop on weekends (I was a little boy and Mom didn't allow me to play on weekdays). Despite this, I beat the game in about a month. When Jak II came out, my parents wouldn't let me get it because they saw guns on the cover, and they felt that it would be too violent. I ended up getting a spongebob game for my birthday instead. Fastforward to now. I am in my mid twenties and bought the game used from a locally owned dying used video game store. I can't believe what I was missing! I am about 70% complete with Jak II and I must say: it is WAY HARDER than Precursor! Hardly any checkpoints, no autoaim, and basically 3-4 shot death make it an uber challenge! It is also a nice expansion of the storyline I experienced while in my childhood. I am very glad to have picked up the series again, even if I am a little late to the party! I am planning on ordering Jak III once I beat Jak II. Cheers!
Old Comment: "From what I heard, Naughty Dog said that they're never going to make another Crash Bandicoot, or Jak and Daxter game again. This is terrible news!"
Update: Well... since the Crash Trilogy is out now, I wonder if anyone will remaster, or at least continue the Jak and Daxter series. That would be great, but I don't see that happening for a while.
According to Andy Gavin, the reason they went for the switch is because GTA was what was popular at the time and that's the direction they wanted to take the game because it seemed to them like a good change of pace. That's really the most official explanation on why there was a change, no one else on the team has come out and said anything.
If Jak 4 was eventually announced, I'm not entirely sure if I would prefer if it to play more like Jak and Daxter, rather than Jak 2 or 3. For me, the first is and always will be my favourite, but maybe thats just nostalgia
The real reason it changed so much is because naughty dog thought it was too much like crash bandicoot so they changed the area and made it for older people and turned it into an action game like Grand Theft Auto.
Robbie hackman Crash didn't have an open world. Or a collectable item needed to progress through the plot, powercells and precurser orbs. Or much of anything similar to Crash.
i think the jak series did a good job of showing things like loss of inocence and growing up (he was 15 in the first and 17 afterwards)
The first Dynasty Warriors was a 1v1 fighting game. That's the biggest change I've seen in a game series. No one seems to remember that game though.
I like the first Jak and Daxter game the best since it was simplistic to do. Jak II was completely hard and insane even though I like that game.
I honestly did not see it as a possible GTA involvement. I always saw it as Naughty Dog were at the time racing along side Insomiacs with Rachet and Clank an in that sense why Jak II included weaponry and such.
Jason Rubin (co-founder of Naughty Dog) stated this in an interview once: they were apparently playtesting the game, and they brought in some 8-year olds for Jak 1, the kids said that it was fun and all, but that it was something they'd give to their little brothers instead. Jason responded with "You're eight, what else would you be playing?" and they responded with "Grand Theft Auto". As GTA III had come out, Naughty Dog realized their audience was changing, and with that they would need to change their games too.
Fcking hell way more mature 8 year olds than I was. 12 year old me would have been content with TPL and would have seen Jak 2 as too dark 😂
They were all amazing!!!
I think you answer your question in the beginning. Precursor Legacy struggled because of how over crowding. So many other platformer collectathons. The series was good but needed something new to keep the property viable.
I'd say they're trying to reach out to an older audience but I was barely in Elementary school when I got TPL and then I was 7 when when Jak II came along, who knows, but the series has come a long way thankfully.
The reason why it changed was because the guys who founders Naughty Dog made jak 1 and came up with idea and stuff BUT they left and gave the lead job of Naughty Dog to Christophe and Even Wells. Those two came up with the ideas of Jak 2 and 3. :) there's a whole anniversary video on the Play Station TH-cam channel talking all about Naught Dog from the beginning :)
I personally think that Jak 1 and Jak 3 are the best however the ending after you defeat the precursor robot in Jak 1 I try to think. What else can they do? What can be the story for the next game? Well I can't think of one. So honestly I think they had to try something different. But Jak X racing... Oh god naughty dog likes to end off good series sometimes with racing. Yes I am looking at you crash bandicoot it's not a bad game but really racing games? We must really wanted our racing games...
It's kinda funny when you think about it. Jak and Daxter The Precursor Legacy felt like Banjo-Kazooie and Jak II felt like GTA III, Vice City, or San Andreas
Maybe Jak 1's similarities to Crash are the reason that Naughty Dog changed up the formula. They could have felt that they had been making platformers for so long that they wanted to try something different. And with GTA3 being so successful, it could have served as inspiration for Jak 2
Playstation uploaded a video a while back called naughty dog 30 years celebration or something like that and in the documentary they do talk about the changes in the Jak series and they mention how they were inspired by GTA 3 for Jak 2
i didn't know you were into jak i fucking love you man!!
I think the core mechanics of Jak carried over from 1 to 2. The controls, combat, and platforming elements all remained in tact. The open world of haven city is similar to that of Jak 1, also Jak 1 did have "Missions" in a sense. The big difference is why your doing those missions. In 1 you did them for power cells, which where needed to advance, And you could choose which ones you did. Jak 2 however made the missions mandatory, and just cut out the power cells entirely.
Prince of Persia changes from Sands of Time to Warrior Within was a bit similar - I wonder if they were influenced too, Warrior within was such a brutal game...
Jak 1 was so innocent and happy. It was just a real pleasure to play. Jak 2 just corrupted a couple of super amazing characters. They could have done a lot more with that game.
I couldn’t agree more. That’s why I’m making a fan game. Set in an alternate parallel universe where the dark dystopian world never exists in the future and Jak never goes through a portal after the first game.. instead they find something else behind the doors on the citadel. I also wanted to explore Keira’s character more along with Jak. She learns to become a sage throughout the game. Maybe the orange sage or something like that.
Jak & Daxter 2 & 3 are games i've never played when I was a child.
I played GTA when I was a child.
Jak 3 was not the best at all. It had great game mechanics like all the new guns and powers, but it was the most poorly written and honestly ruined Haven City for me. Jak 2 was probably the best game when you consider story telling and gameplay mechanics. But Jak and Daxter will always be my favorite. Exploring Precursor ruins and running around in a mysterious world... there just isn't anything that compares to that.
+Lorens Rowe Not really. They added a bunch of things that didn't need to be in the game. Dark precursors for one, Erol coming back seemed like another pointless addition, and the part I hated the most being the precursors being ottsels.
I don't think they originally intended on the precursors being ottsels, all the stuff they built and sizes that they built them in seem to indicate at least a human-sized race. Precursors being ottsels is just a cop-out. They probably did it just to have a memorable plot-tist to an otherise boring plot. If Jak 4 is to ever come out they should retconn that completely.
I remember seeing Jak and Daxter 2 on Toonami and they did a review of it I think? But I remember being so damn excited for it after that. And it didn't disappoint at all.
The reason Naughty Dog decided to change the Jak and Daxter franchise was because the market for the gaming community was changing. Most gamers wanted to buy games that had violence, guns, and other mature stuff. There is a video on TH-cam where Jason Rubin (one of the founders of Naughty Dog) gives a presentation at
D.I.C.E. Summit 2002 about this particular topic.
I love all 3 jak games, but A small part of me wishes they stuck with the first game's formula. They took a big risk changing the game the way they did in 2 & 3 but they succeeded in doing so. I sort of see the 2 & 3 games growing up with me. The first had me intrigued with all its colors and stuff as a kid, and the second and third had a little profanity and showed jak as a badass with weapons and junk
It was actually literally stated by the developer that they were trying to appeal to the GTA 3 market.
I like your points, however if you got all the power cells in jak and daxter you got a cutscene at the very end of the game, where the rift gate opens and there is a rift rider. Essentially the story was planned to happen before jak 2 came out.
It was honestly just the direction naughty dog wanted to go. The only reason they didnt make jak 4 was because they felt they were going too "dark" for jak and daxter. most of their newer games now have a darker feel and thats just how they wanted to go.
I don't think Sony had anything to do with the development of Jak 2 because if you remember the secret ending of TPL where you can open the door on the top of Gol and Maia's Citadel by collecting all of the power cells, then the game indirectly reveals the time machine by showing a glimmer of light. And as shown from the release dates of GTA III and TPL, Naughty Dog could not develop TPL in only a span of 2 months. But hey, that's my input to this speculation.
And from reading all of these comments, I did seem intentional of Naughty Dog to age with their audience and mature the game.
with jak and daxter their philosophy was fun sells then after jak and daxter they saw a change in the industry, gta 3, then naughty dog changed the games
It's impossible to find all precursor orbs in Jak 2 and 3.
2nd was my favorite its the best plus they had really hard missions