Using an iOS device connected to the THR yields similar results. If you have a looper app, connect the usb cable to THR, then using the Apple usb connection kit, connect the iOS device. My setup uses the L7 looper app. This feature has made my upgrade from the previous version well worth it. And this method requires no power source. Thanks for the great vid Kevin!
I’m not quite sure why one would want to use a looper pedal AND a backing track together, but I can report this: The bluetooth connection still works even with this loop pedal setup. Neither is bypassed or disabled. So, yes, it can be done, even with the aux in jack used for the loop pedal. Now I just need to find reason to do that. Thanks for the video.
I used to have fly3 BT stereo pack. Drum track via BT, one guitar direct, another through a small battery powered processor into aux in. Jam with a friend anywhere:-)
I've always found it's much simpler to just hook any THR to a laptop or computer (or tablet for that matter) and use a looper software/app. You can just overlay to new tracks and also tweak them to your heart's desire. In some cases you can bluetooth midi control the looper and you only need a USB connection. Or stick HX stomp or PodGo to its aux in if you really want to use it as its speaker :)
Well done! I'm looking at buying the same amp and now I know I can use my looper, it makes a big difference. I wouldn't be surprised if the next thr model to come out has a looper built in, but I can't wait.😀
This was phenomenal Kevin. I just ordered this amp ( in black ) = waiting for delivery in August 2022. I have the Boss RC-5 Looper and want to do this. Fantastic job. oNe LovE from NYC
I sure wish I’d seen this or thought of that before I built out a MIDI pedalboard to control Quantiloop from an iPad on my THR30. Would have saved me a lot of time and money! Very cool find!
This is a brilliant video thankyou so much!!!!! Gutted my yamaha thr20ii doesnt have the line in out but will defo remember this going forward thankyou!!
Great ! Thank you so much, as this was exactly what I was missing at the THR 30ii. For all the rest, this is just a fantastic amp - I totally agree with you. Regards, Jan
Thank you for posting that Kevin, very useful. The use of the pause and then come in during that pause when playing over the top, never thought of that, I will be now.
Great advice and has saved me £100s as thought I needed to buy another amp with an effects loop. My old Roland Cube 80GX has a line out so this methods works with it. Thanks!
Yep . . . check some of the prior comments where several others discussed that. After I made the video, I actually got a Y adapter and hooked it up and it works fine.
@@KevinIlsen I want to purchase the Exact Cable that you are using for this method. Do you happen to know the name of this cable ? (standard instrument, TRS ect . . .) Appreciate any input. Enjoyed your informative demo my friend.
@@michael_caz_nyc The cable that I bought is a Hosa YMP-434. It says the following on the package: “Breakout 3.5mm TRSF to Dual 1/4 in TS.” So it has a pair of male 1/4” TS plugs on one side that I plug into the stereo outputs of my looper pedal, and a 3.5mm female TRS jack on the other side. Then I just use a 3.5mm male to male cable from there to the Aux Input of the THR amp.
@@KevinIlsen Thanks man. I did a little more research and some people are saying that this method may Damage the Amp? ( I am not that knowledgable ) but I wish that Yamaha would offer some input? What about just going from the 1/4 inch output of the Looper to the 1/8 inch input of the Aux?
@@michael_caz_nyc I’m not knowledgeable enough to know whether it can damage the amp either. I saw several suggestions online about how to use a looper this way and so I tried it and decided to make the video. Regarding just running a cable from one 1/4 inch output of the looper to the 1/8 inch input of the amp you could certainly do that but then you’d only be getting one channel. Honestly that’s probably fine, though. For example, I often take my THR out to open mics and I run a 1/4” instrument cable from one line out jack on the back of the amp, to the mixing board at the venue. Works great and I can still hear through the amp on stage with me.
wow. i think i am going to upgrade my THR10X now.... this is actually cheaper than my THR10X online too. I was thinking about trying to add a looper to my THR10X over the looper omission. It isn't looping back in before the reverb, but good enough....
What this would really be great for is using the aux input for the drum/bass output on the Digitech Trio+. That way the drum and bass aren't subject to the guitar EQ and effects, and there's a built in mixer with the guitar and audio output knobs.
Been using this hack for a couple of years and all been good. Just updated the firmware and all of a sudden I’m getting high pitched interference when I play through the looper. Has the firmware update broken this?
Maybe the update reset the volume settings. Go into the app and make sure the guitar output is at 0. Not enough to do it via the physical knob, you need to do it in the app.
@@KevinIlsen yes you’re right. The update via my Mac was a touch and go affair. Very flakey and at first I was worried it’d bricked the amp. When it came back to life I restored from back up but it didn’t restore the amp settings. Now I can’t remember how the speaker tuning and audio streaming eq were set.
Congratulations from Marseille in France lol and thank you very much for this vidéo. Non , I can record all the effets of my Yamaha thr 30 II wireless on my loop core from Nux.
I have a question can the same connection could be done with a reverb , delay or modulation pedal ? And could you run an overdrive through the front in ? I have a pedal board that has about 8 various drive pedals an effects ... this has been the only reason I I have held off purchasing. Thanks great video and content 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🎸
Yes and yes. You can run any pedals into the front. Likewise, anything that you'd traditionally put in an FX Loop (using the "4 cable method") could be hooked up the way that I illustrated hooking up the looper. Just be aware, as some have noted in other comments here, that you're going to be using a tiny jack and at least some length of tiny cable, and so you're going to experience some signal loss (vs. using 1/4" cables throughout). So I'd say: do it for practicing at home, but in a performance setting, you might not be 100% happy.
Thank you for the video! I'm completely new to modeling amps, effect-pedals and all the cable stuff. Does somebody know if I need mono or stereo plugs?
The Aux jack on the THR30ii would need a stereo plug. So if there are separate L and R outputs from your looper pedal, each of them would be mono, so you'd need a Y adapter to join them together.
Looks like there’s a huge eq difference between the guitar and audio (fed by the line out to aux in ) channels. The guitar channel sounds like it has more mids and like a proper amp, the aux in sounds trebley, harsh and scooped. Any ideas on how to fix this ?
Thanks for the tip Kevin. But before I plug my THR30, and because I saw a lot of warnings about configuring that kind of connection, has anyone tried with the new Boss RC-5 looper... ? Thanks for your answers !
Hi there ! Great review. ! Question is it possible to connect your guitar wireless to some effect pedals and these effect pedals then connect (wireless or by cable) to the yamaha 30II wireless speaker ? Or is it better to add the effect pedals after the speaker ? What would be a good solution ?
For an amp with a bona fide FX loop, you generally want some pedals between the guitar and the input to the amp (tuner, wah, overdrive, etc.) and other pedals in the loop (modulation, delay, reverb, etc.) so that they are applied after the amp’s gain stage. So it really depends on what kind of pedals you’re talking about. You could certainly use a wireless transmitter + receiver to go from the guitar into a pedal chain; I specifically bought the full G10S system so that I can use the wireless transmitter with my THR30ii as well as with my other amps and pedalboard setups. As far as going wireless from the end of your pedal chain into the Yamaha, you could probably do that, but you wouldn’t gain much advantage. The point of a wireless system (in my opinion) is so that your movement with the guitar is not restricted by the instrument cable. But the pedals don’t move, so once you hook up a cable from the last pedal into the THR, you don’t need the pedal to follow you around the stage, it can just sit there on the floor ;-).
Hi, thanks for the tip.i tried this out and the looper sound is extremely low I can barely hear it .I seem to have the correct setup and also checked the thr app setting..I have the rc1 that's the only difference.
Had a go at this, I get a way more noise coming from my RC3 if I connect this into the aux. I prefer to just use the amp in clean mode when looping and use existing pedals on the pedal board for effects (with the looper at the end of the pedal board).
If you want to have true stereo sound you might need two 1/4"-1/4" (mono) cables between the THR and the looper. THR line out Left -> Looper Input A; THR line out Right -> Looper Input B. Using Only one cable results in mono loop tracks (i.e. I the same sound on left and right channels). Is this assumption correct? Thanks
Yes, to retain the true stereo, run a pair of 1/4" mono cables from the L and R outputs of the THR into the L and R inputs of the looper, then use a "Y" adapter to connect a pair of 1/4" mono cables to the L and R outputs of the looper, and combine them into a 1/8" stereo cable to plug into the AUX input of the THR.
@@KevinIlsen No dice on my end, RC5 with two mono cables going in the back and two mono cables with a Y at one end that goes into the AUX. ‘Guitar’ button turned to 0 on both amp and app yet a high pitched unbearable sound form both guitar and drums.
Simon Jensen thanks but it wasn’t my idea. Someone else mentioned it in passing on a forum somewhere so I figured people would appreciate a detailed video.
Hi Kevin - many thanks for this great video and work around. However I am unfortunately having an issue when copying your setup, and would be grateful if you could give any guidance/advice. I have the THR30ii + Boss RC-5 Looper. When I copy your setup (either with 2 line-outs going into the RC-5, or just one), I get a very twangy / electric sound when I run the loop back into the amp (kind of like a bad "Phaser" effect). I have tried everything I can think of to fix this, including 1. Running the loop pedal into a separate speaker or to headphones to see if it is an issue with the Loop setup. This sounds fine. 2. Testing the THR amp's aux and lineout separately. Both work fine. 3. Running the loop pedal in front of the THR amp (i.e. effects impact both the loop and guitar input). This also works fine. Accordingly, the issue only appears when I go Guitar > THR Input (either via cable or Relay G10)> Line Out (mono or stereo) > RC-5 (mono or stereo input and output) > THR Aux input = Terrible twangy tinny electric phaser sound. Have you or anyone else run in to this problem? I am at a loss what to check next (I even purchased a Audio Ground Loop Isolator Filter Suppressor to see if that would help, but no luck). Cheers Luke
Hey Luke . . . I think I've got a fix for you! First of all, make absolutely certain that the "Guitar" output knob on the THR30ii is set all the way down to 0. Use the "Audio" knob next to it to control the output volume. In addition, in the THR app on your smartphone, after pairing with the THR30ii, click the icon that looks like a gear (in the upper right corner). In the window that pops up, adjust the "GUITAR/AUDIO" knob so that it is ALL THE WAY DOWN (i.e., set to 0). If that's set above 0, you're going to get a horrible high-pitched squeal.
I had a different problem, or at least with guitar output at 0 on the amp (didn't check the app) there was still noise as long as I took the output from the L channel. But as soon as I moved to R it disappeared and now I can rock! 🤘
@@KevinIlsen OMG. THANK YOU. My partner got me a loop pedal for Christmas and I've been having to unplug either the input or output in order to use it until now. How did you find out about this fix? Any idea why it works?
@@stevephen I saw it mentioned in a forum somewhere so I tried it. Then I figured I’d make a video showing how to hook it up. Note that you can’t do overdubs on your looper when you hook it up this way, because the overdubs will keep getting recorded on top again. And the small gauge cable going into the aux in jack is going to have some loss of fidelity. But for practicing at home and just being able to improvise with effects over a chord progression, it’s quite adequate.
Thanks Kevin, I have the THRii 10... no line out, but still you’ve got me thinking :) I’ve been using a looper on my iPad but the tonal quality suffers.
Good Video, works fine with the right Output . The left Output makes a horrible feedback, and so i cannot use it. Only the left Output is okay for me, but only mono. I would like using both Outputs, if possible, but there is only great noise. Any idea? Greetings from Bremen Germany….Christian
Make sure to go into the THR app and set the guitar output volume to 0. If you don't do this you'll get a lot of noise. It's not enough to adjust the physical knobs on the THR; you need to do it in the app.
New subscriber here so thanks for the vIdeo. It was very helpful and you seem very knowledgeable of the signal flow of the amp I am hoping you can help me figure something out because it’s confusing me. I like busking and playing blues over backing tracks. I have the THR30II plus the Airstep YT bluetooth foot pedal so I can switch channels or add effects which makes using the THR30 a joy. I also have the Line 6 G10 transmitter so I am fully wireless. My question is I want to buy a second THR30II so I can increase the volume when busking. So I am racking my brain trying to figure out how to use the two amps and still be wireless, play along with backing tracks and use the Airstep Bluetooth foot controller. So here are my questions and would be so grateful if you could explain if this would work or have another suggestion. 1.). Can I use the Line 6 G10 relay to simultaneously control both amps? I thought I read online that was possible but you would know for sure. 2.). Can I simultaneously stream backing tracks to both amps 3.) Same goes for Airstep footpedal. Any idea if one pedal can control channel switching on both THR30s? My other idea is if the above option does not work, would taking the line out of the left or right pedal from amp 1 into either Line or Aux in to second amp be a working solution meaning I can somehow still use backing tracks and get the power of both amps. I am thinking if I go into Aux and use clean channel on amp 2, the first amp would still allow me to switch channels using the Airstep wireless foot pedal and the second amp would essentially be just used for the increase in volume. I would be able to adjust the mix between backing tracks & guitar sound on the first amp and all I would need is a an adapter to convert from 1/4 inch to 3.5 aux. Or would I be better off going line out on amp 1 to line in on Amp 2 instead of using the Aux in? If that doesn’t seem like a workable solution, would I need some type of pedal that has stereo out with one channel going to amp 1 & second channel to amp 2? The only thing I am concerned about is the backing tracks would be too low if I can only Bluetooth to one amp. Or can I forget wireless and get some type of splitter so the output from my iPhone using backing tracks can go to both Aux inputs simultaneously? I still would need both amps for my guitar sound and definitely need channel switching so I can go from clean to dirty sound. I know this is a long post so really appreciate any advice you can share and help me with a working solution. 🙏
I'm glad you found the video helpful. I'll try to answer your questions, but please take it with a grain of salt; I'm just guessing. 1. I don't see how you can transmit from your Line 6 relay directly to two amps, if that's indeed what you're asking. It's going to pair with only one, and transmit the signal to that one. (I bought the Line 6 transmitter AND receiver; I can transmit directly to the THR30II, or I can use the Line 6 receiver, plug it into one of my other amps, and transmit to that.) 2. What are you using to stream backing tracks? For example, is it an iPhone, an iPad, a computer? If you have two devices capable of receiving bluetooth audio -- for example, your THR30II and also a portable bluetooth speaker, see if it's possible to stream from your device to both of them. If it is, then yes, you'll be able to stream to both amps. 3. I have two AirStep foot pedals -- I bought the combo direct from XSonic. So I have the standard one (that allows wireless as well as wired connections) and I also have the Lite (which only supports wireless connections). I generally use one to control the THR30II, and the other to control my computer or tablet. I do not think it's possible for a single wireless AirStep to communicate with two different devices. If your main goal is to increase the volume when busking, then I think you should NOT buy a second THR30II. You don't need all the effects in the second THR30II, and you don't need the wireless. capabilities. You don't need two complete THR30IIs; you just need to take the output of the THR30II that you have, and make it louder. Basically, you want to use the THR30II as a pre-amp, and send the signal to another amp that has more power. See if you can find a battery powered amp that is pretty much just an amp. It doesn't need to accept a wireless signal from your guitar or from a backing track. It just needs a 1/4" input. Then simply use an instrument cable to go from the line out on your THR30II (either the L or the R jack; it shouldn't matter), into the input of the second amp. This *should* work; it should carry the combination of your guitar and the backing track from the THR30II into the second amp, and amplify it. (If you have a regular amp at home -- not battery powered -- you can test this easily.) The reason I think this is going to work is: I often go to open mics to play a few songs. They provide a 1/4" instrument cable that I would typically plug into my acoustic guitar; it runs directly into the bar's mixing board and into their PA. But sometimes I go up on stage at the open mic with my electric guitar and a band. For simple quick setup, I bring my THR30II, my wireless transmitter, and my AirStep. I'm totally wireless, except for one thing: I take the 1/4" cable that they provide, and plug it into the L or R jack on the back of my THR30II. Everything I play ends up feeding into the PA and they are able to control the volume and mix it with the vocal mics, etc. But I am also able to hear it through the speakers of the THR30II -- they are not disabled when using the line out jack, so it basically functions as a stage monitor for my own playing, and I can adjust the volume to suit me. Hope this helps. As I said, if you have a regular AC powered amp at home, you can test it. Since the L and R outputs on the back of the THR30II are line level (not speaker level), neither amp should suffer any damage. (BUT . . . I'm not an electrical engineer, so I an't guarantee that.) Also, there's a good THR group on Facebook, and I think some other folks have some experience connecting the THR30II to another amp.
@@KevinIlsen Hey Kevin….thanks so much for taking the time to write such a detailed response. It humbles me that you wrote me such a long reply and I really appreciate your feedback. And I agree with what you wrote & recommended 100%. The irony is I do not own a car but have an ebike equipped with 6 JBL Extreme 3 speakers and a JBL Boombox 2 that are all networked together using JBLs proprietary Bluetooth feature called PartyBoost found on their latest generation of speakers. So when I cruise around Austin TX I stream music using Bluetooth from my IPhone to the JBL Boombox 2 which connects to the 6 Extreme 3s and is like 450 watts of power. It’s an EPIC sounding rig. I am visiting my family in NY now so do not have access to my bike. But from what I read online, in order to use the party boost feature and have all 7 speakers connected using Partyboost the source of the music must be Bluetooth. The cool thing is the JBL Boombox 2 has a 3.5 mm Aux input so I am hoping all I need is a cable with a 1/4 inch plug and a 3.5 mm adapter so I can go line out from the THR30 to the Aux in on the JBL Boombox 2 which is 160 watts and way much louder than adding a second THR30. If that works, I will be in my glory and almost want to cry now as I will quadruple the volume of the guitar sound and as you mentioned the THR30 also still plays. Just hoping the 3.5 mm Aux will work because you suggesting going into a line in which JBL Boombox 2 does not have. If that does in fact work I will use my iPhone to stream backing tracks to the 6 JBL Extreme 3s which I already knows works as used these 6 speakers before I added the JBL Boombox 2. I keep my THR30 in my saddle bag and wear my guitar on my back so I am fully mobile when I go busking. I am calling JBL support right after I am done replying to your comment to see if there is a work around to get all 7 speakers connected with Partyboost. But worst case scenario I believe I now have an amazing solution as long as THR30 works with JBL Boombox. And you mentioned I only need left or right line out and not a stereo out cable so I am going to order the best quality cable today & adapter from Sweatwater which will be waiting for me when I return to Austin on August 12th. Thanks again for giving me probably the best advice I have ever got on YT regarding a question about music. Plus NOT having to buy another THR30 amp is a big savings for me especially when you mentioned the THR30 could still be used as a monitor when line out goes to PA. I used to go to all the open blues jams in Austin until Covid hit and now all I need is my THR30 into PA and I have a wireless channel switching setting with Airstep. I will 100% send you an update when I return to Austin but if you tell me in your reply that you believe the THR30 will work fine with the JBL Boombox 2 aux in you will make my day. Plus the money I save from not buying a second THR30 I will now put towards a looper which is how I originally found your video because I was wondering if there was a solution using a looper with THR30. I already own a beat buddy so thinking maybe the Singular Aeros would be a good choice. Any thoughts on that looper? It’s not battery powered but I have a Battery bank and enjoy playing outside when weather is nice. Thanks again Steve. You are awesome my friend!!!
@@director2bob I don't have a JBL Boombox 2 but I looked it up online and it looks like a nice unit. Given that it has an AUX input, you should have no trouble connecting the THR30II to it; just run a cable from one of the 1/4" LINE OUT jacks on the back of the THR30II to the 3.5mm AUX input of the JBL. The only issue you might encounter is whether the JBL can simultaneously accept AUX input and Bluetooth input signals. If not, then you won't be able to stream your backing tracks directly from your phone to the JBL. And that will be a big problem, because I just did a little test with my THR30II, and it does NOT appear that the LINE OUT signal carries the backing track. Regarding the addition of a looper pedal to your rig: I've only ever used Boss loopers. I have an RC-3 and an RC-5 and they're both awesome. Any looper should work. But here too you're going to have to be careful, because you'll want to put the looper pedal in between the LINE OUT and the AUX IN of the THR30II. Fortunately, there are two LINE OUT jacks, so you should be able to run the OTHER one to the JBL! (And this of course means you've got to be doing everything strictly in mono, so that the L and R channels have the exact same signal.) I'll be interested in knowing how this all turns out. Maybe you can record a video once you have it all hooked up! Regarding adding the looper pedal to the equation:
Hey Kevin thank you for this video! I exclusively only buy amps with effects loop because I love using my Boomerang looper. I loved my THR10C but sold it because of lack of effects loop. Do you think this would work on the old THR10? The one you have is 499.99 while I can get the old one for $150!
Doesn't the THR also send the AUX input signal through the Output? So if you do an Overdub on the Looper it would record the first loop again. Or am I thinking wrong? Best regards!
I just did some tests, and you are 100% correct. So although this technique will work for laying down a single loop and then playing over it with different amp settings, it is not going to work if you want to do overdubs on the looper. For overdubs to work properly, you'd need a true FX Send/Return capability prior to the output.
@@KevinIlsen Hey Kevin, thanks for checking. It would be so great if there was an option in the app to unlink the aux in from the output. I thought about sending the guitar via output to a multitrack recorder and use the aux in as Monitor for the live mix. That doesn't work ether. I use a looper in front of the amp. That works great, too. Just not so many sound options :)
Make sure to turn the GUITAR/AUDIO setting in the THR Remote software to 0 when you're doing this, or you'll have feedback issues. (Probably late to the game, but hopefully someone will find this comment helpful).
I have a Digitech Trio+ and run into the amp input and a secondary battery powered PA amp for the drums and bass. That way the drums and bass are not colored but the amp tones.
@@KevinIlsen Thanks for the quick response. When I listen through headphones using the looper hookup method in your video, I am getting stereo...I was afraid that I would only get a signal from the side that I had hooked the audio out to. So...K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple Snoopy!
So basically it is possible to use the 4 cable method with this work around? I would love to use a line6 hx effects with the thr30ii, but I've always given up on that idea since the yamaha has no fx loop. Is there any loss in tone using the aux instead? Thanks a lot and cheers from Germany Kevin.
Yes, you can use the 4 cable method and effectively stack other effects before (or instead of) the looper. I would imagine that there is signal degradation when using the aux jack, simply because it's a smaller jack -- you won't get the quality that you get with a 1/4" cable.
I have headphones connected to the THR. I tried this and I only got sound out of one side, which is the same side that the LINE OUT from the amp is connected. How can I get sound from both sides? Thanks in advance!
You’d need to run two 1/4” cables from the left and right line outs into your looper pedal. If your looper pedal is stereo, then take the two outputs from the looper and combine them using a Y cable connector to run into the AUX input. If your looper pedal is mono, you’ll need to use the Y connector to combine the L and R outputs into a single cable into your looper pedal.
In the video, I used a TS (mono) 1/4” cable from one output channel of the THR into one input of the RC3, and then a TRS (stereo) 1/4” cable from one RC3 output, into a mini TRS (stereo) cable that I plugged into the aux input jack of the THR. So, yes and no. But this didn’t give me true stereo. To do that you’d need two individual mono 1/4” cables going from the L and R line outputs of the THR into the L and R inputs of the RC3, then a 1/4” “Y” cable with two TS (mono) plugs on one end and a single TRS (stereo) connector on the other, to join the L and R outputs of the RC3 into a single TRS (stereo) connector, followed by a 1/4” TRS to 1/8”TRS adapter to connect to the aux input of the THR.
@@thecaninebehaviourist really depends on how valuable you find the stereo effect in the THR. In my opinion, it's not worth the extra effort of hooking up the stereo cables. But you might feel otherwise.
@@KevinIlsen Thanks Kevin. I will bow to your, vastly superior skills and knowledge (I'm just an ageing noodler). Just about to upgrade my THR10C to the THR30ll. Invaluable video and advice! Cheers :)
@@KevinIlsen Hi Kevin. Last question. I've now got my new THR30ii - I've connected it to a Boss 500 as you described. When I run the volume up on the THR I get horrendous feedback. Am I missing something obvious? Many thanks.
Dumb question here. How does your setup differ from just plugging your guitar into the looper pedal, then running the output of the looper pedal to the guitar input of the amp?
The THR has a number of built-in effects, including reverb / delay, chorus, gain level, and of course the overall "voicing." These effects are all applied to whatever signal is fed into the Guitar input. So, for example, if you wanted to record a chord progression on your looper using a "clean" voicing, with maybe just a little reverb and nothing else, and then changed the THR settings to play a lead over the loop using a high gain voicing and a lot of echo, you would NOT be able to do that if you plugged your guitar into the looper pedal and the looper pedal into the guitar input of the THR. The high gain and massive echo would be applied to the entire signal, including the chord progression that you already recorded. This is one of the reasons why amplifiers have an FX Loop. It allows you to put modulation pedals (such as chorus, flanger, reverb, and delay) as well as a looper pedal in between the gain stage of the amp and the power amplifier stage of the amp. You always want your looper to be the very last thing in the signal chain, just before the power amplification stage. Trust me, if you're used to plugging your guitar into your looper, and then your looper into the input of your amp, and if your amp has an FX Loop, try putting your looper in the FX Loop. You'll be much happier.
Perfect! This works great now I don't need to travel with ANY pedals, just the looper & the amp!! THANK YOU.
Using an iOS device connected to the THR yields similar results. If you have a looper app, connect the usb cable to THR, then using the Apple usb connection kit, connect the iOS device. My setup uses the L7 looper app. This feature has made my upgrade from the previous version well worth it. And this method requires no power source. Thanks for the great vid Kevin!
Thank you for this! Saved me some $$$
How do you connect your iOS device to the USB? Is there a usb to lightening port adapter provided? Then the cable to the back of the Yamaha amp?
@@psp777 Apple camera connection kit will allow you connect the USB to your device.
Wow, so you can send Audio from and to the THR via the USB Port?
Because this would be nice for all the THR10 guys without the line Output:)
You have just added a ton of value to my THR30II. Thank you!!
I’m not quite sure why one would want to use a looper pedal AND a backing track together, but I can report this: The bluetooth connection still works even with this loop pedal setup. Neither is bypassed or disabled. So, yes, it can be done, even with the aux in jack used for the loop pedal. Now I just need to find reason to do that. Thanks for the video.
Perhaps if you connect a mike through the bluetooth?
I used to have fly3 BT stereo pack. Drum track via BT, one guitar direct, another through a small battery powered processor into aux in. Jam with a friend anywhere:-)
I've always found it's much simpler to just hook any THR to a laptop or computer (or tablet for that matter) and use a looper software/app. You can just overlay to new tracks and also tweak them to your heart's desire. In some cases you can bluetooth midi control the looper and you only need a USB connection. Or stick HX stomp or PodGo to its aux in if you really want to use it as its speaker :)
doesn't work for live performance though
Well done! I'm looking at buying the same amp and now I know I can use my looper, it makes a big difference. I wouldn't be surprised if the next thr model to come out has a looper built in, but I can't wait.😀
Wooo I just got one yesterday thinking about the really sad trade off of no fx loop. Finding this today makes me really really happy :)
Agreed, I took mine on the road to spend some time practicing looping and ran head on into the lack of effects loop. Sadly I hadn't seen this.
can we run backing tracks in it and play along?
@@anish_99 yes, you don’t need an fx loop for that, you can use the aux in directly, or connect any media player via Bluetooth
@@geralr ok thanks, that means we can use any backing track from youtube or mp3 and jam along , that's great!!
@@anish_99 Yep, that’s what it means ;)
This just solved a massive problem for me! THANK YOU.
If I connect witha a Cable 'Y' OUTPUT from the Looper A and B inputo to AUX mini jack, am I able to get a better signal oir stereo?
So helpful, got my amp a week ago and I love it but I was really wanting a loop. This is a life saver
This was phenomenal Kevin. I just ordered this amp ( in black ) = waiting for delivery in August 2022. I have the Boss RC-5 Looper and want to do this. Fantastic job. oNe LovE from NYC
I use a Zoom GT1 Four multi effects pedal in front of my THR30II. It has a looper pedal build in. Awesome pedal, only cost $100.
He just got blasted from Back to the future just to demo this Amp 😁
Great Scott!
@@KevinIlsen Good sport.
"I've seen the future Marty! And it's one big LOOP!"
This clip has saved me so many times🙏thank you so much
Holy shit! an FX loop! amazing work around.
I sure wish I’d seen this or thought of that before I built out a MIDI pedalboard to control Quantiloop from an iPad on my THR30. Would have saved me a lot of time and money! Very cool find!
This is a brilliant video thankyou so much!!!!! Gutted my yamaha thr20ii doesnt have the line in out but will defo remember this going forward thankyou!!
Great ! Thank you so much, as this was exactly what I was missing at the THR 30ii. For all the rest, this is just a fantastic amp - I totally agree with you. Regards, Jan
Incredibly helpful, thanks so much
Thanks man!!!
Just ordered one in white. It would have been nice if Yamaha demonstrated that but THEY DIDN’T, …so again THANK YOU for the video.
Just so happen to have that same R3 looper and was wandering if it would work! Appreciate it man!!
Thank you for posting that Kevin, very useful. The use of the pause and then come in during that pause when playing over the top, never thought of that, I will be now.
I can’t take credit for that; saw it in a video by Tomo Fujita.
Man your a genius! Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
I didn't come up with the idea; saw it mentioned somewhere else but some people seemed confused about how to do it, so I figured a video would help.
Great advice and has saved me £100s as thought I needed to buy another amp with an effects loop. My old Roland Cube 80GX has a line out so this methods works with it. Thanks!
Awesome demo ! Thank you that amp is definitely on my wish list .. does acoustic electric work through that amp as well ?
Yes the amp does a nice job with acoustic guitar pickups.
Great video! Very clear instructions and demo. Thank you!
I have this amp and love it you have now made it perfect thank you for this tip
have you tested out this looper method? if you have, how has it sounded for you?
Thank you very much, Kevin. You really helped me out big time!
Dude, you're a legend 🙌
I didn’t come up with the idea; I saw it mentioned on a forum somewhere and figured I’d make a video to explain it. But thanks!
Thank you. Your tutorial was helpful and much appreciated.
Really valuable info, thanks for making this
Congratulazioni utilissimo video mi ha aiutato tantissimo. Grazie
You could send stereo too. Run L/R Line outs to pedal and use a 2x mono y-split cable to 3.5 stereo plug from the pedal back to the aux in
Yep . . . check some of the prior comments where several others discussed that. After I made the video, I actually got a Y adapter and hooked it up and it works fine.
@@KevinIlsen I want to purchase the Exact Cable that you are using for this method. Do you happen to know the name of this cable ? (standard instrument, TRS ect . . .) Appreciate any input. Enjoyed your informative demo my friend.
@@michael_caz_nyc The cable that I bought is a Hosa YMP-434. It says the following on the package: “Breakout 3.5mm TRSF to Dual 1/4 in TS.” So it has a pair of male 1/4” TS plugs on one side that I plug into the stereo outputs of my looper pedal, and a 3.5mm female TRS jack on the other side. Then I just use a 3.5mm male to male cable from there to the Aux Input of the THR amp.
@@KevinIlsen Thanks man. I did a little more research and some people are saying that this method may Damage the Amp? ( I am not that knowledgable ) but I wish that Yamaha would offer some input? What about just going from the 1/4 inch output of the Looper to the 1/8 inch input of the Aux?
@@michael_caz_nyc I’m not knowledgeable enough to know whether it can damage the amp either. I saw several suggestions online about how to use a looper this way and so I tried it and decided to make the video. Regarding just running a cable from one 1/4 inch output of the looper to the 1/8 inch input of the amp you could certainly do that but then you’d only be getting one channel. Honestly that’s probably fine, though. For example, I often take my THR out to open mics and I run a 1/4” instrument cable from one line out jack on the back of the amp, to the mixing board at the venue. Works great and I can still hear through the amp on stage with me.
Such an important video! Thank you so much!
wow. i think i am going to upgrade my THR10X now.... this is actually cheaper than my THR10X online too. I was thinking about trying to add a looper to my THR10X over the looper omission. It isn't looping back in before the reverb, but good enough....
Ravish pedal and looper is what I have in mind.
What this would really be great for is using the aux input for the drum/bass output on the Digitech Trio+. That way the drum and bass aren't subject to the guitar EQ and effects, and there's a built in mixer with the guitar and audio output knobs.
Thanks for this, it was really helpful.
Been using this hack for a couple of years and all been good. Just updated the firmware and all of a sudden I’m getting high pitched interference when I play through the looper. Has the firmware update broken this?
Maybe the update reset the volume settings. Go into the app and make sure the guitar output is at 0. Not enough to do it via the physical knob, you need to do it in the app.
@@KevinIlsen yes you’re right. The update via my Mac was a touch and go affair. Very flakey and at first I was worried it’d bricked the amp. When it came back to life I restored from back up but it didn’t restore the amp settings. Now I can’t remember how the speaker tuning and audio streaming eq were set.
Congratulations from Marseille in France lol and thank you very much for this vidéo. Non , I can record all the effets of my Yamaha thr 30 II wireless on my loop core from Nux.
I have a question can the same connection could be done with a reverb , delay or modulation pedal ? And could you run an overdrive through the front in ? I have a pedal board that has about 8 various drive pedals an effects ... this has been the only reason I I have held off purchasing. Thanks great video and content 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🎸
Yes and yes. You can run any pedals into the front. Likewise, anything that you'd traditionally put in an FX Loop (using the "4 cable method") could be hooked up the way that I illustrated hooking up the looper. Just be aware, as some have noted in other comments here, that you're going to be using a tiny jack and at least some length of tiny cable, and so you're going to experience some signal loss (vs. using 1/4" cables throughout). So I'd say: do it for practicing at home, but in a performance setting, you might not be 100% happy.
Thank you very much. I will purchase. This makes it complete for me 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻💯
I heard it has a tuner too.
Yep! And Tap Tempo for echo. This thing is incredibly versatile.
LOL
@James Lahey yep, I was in a hurry; just pulled a guitar off the wall and plugged in. Lesson learned.
Thanks Kevin. That was very cool.
ahhh! well thought out! thanks for the tip, really helpful
Woah. I did not know I needed this video until I watched it. Thanks!
Thank you for the video! I'm completely new to modeling amps, effect-pedals and all the cable stuff. Does somebody know if I need mono or stereo plugs?
The Aux jack on the THR30ii would need a stereo plug. So if there are separate L and R outputs from your looper pedal, each of them would be mono, so you'd need a Y adapter to join them together.
Looks like there’s a huge eq difference between the guitar and audio (fed by the line out to aux in ) channels. The guitar channel sounds like it has more mids and like a proper amp, the aux in sounds trebley, harsh and scooped. Any ideas on how to fix this ?
Dumb question but you still need to plug in a cable from guitar to the amp right? I can’t find any demos for that
yes, plug cable form guitar to amp
Hey nice guitar...do you need anymore monitors?
Excellent video. You just solved a problem for me. Thank you very much.
Muchas gracias . Buen vídeo. Era una de las dudas que tenía para usar un looper con el ampli
Thanks for the tip Kevin. But before I plug my THR30, and because I saw a lot of warnings about configuring that kind of connection, has anyone tried with the new Boss RC-5 looper... ? Thanks for your answers !
I just tried RC5. Works fine.
Hi and thank's ! Do the same trick is possible with a Spark positive grid amp ?
I don’t know anything about the Spark amp; sorry.
@@KevinIlsen no problem, thanks for answer 👍
Hi there ! Great review. ! Question is it possible to connect your guitar wireless to some effect pedals and these effect pedals then connect (wireless or by cable) to the yamaha 30II wireless speaker ? Or is it better to add the effect pedals after the speaker ? What would be a good solution ?
For an amp with a bona fide FX loop, you generally want some pedals between the guitar and the input to the amp (tuner, wah, overdrive, etc.) and other pedals in the loop (modulation, delay, reverb, etc.) so that they are applied after the amp’s gain stage. So it really depends on what kind of pedals you’re talking about. You could certainly use a wireless transmitter + receiver to go from the guitar into a pedal chain; I specifically bought the full G10S system so that I can use the wireless transmitter with my THR30ii as well as with my other amps and pedalboard setups. As far as going wireless from the end of your pedal chain into the Yamaha, you could probably do that, but you wouldn’t gain much advantage. The point of a wireless system (in my opinion) is so that your movement with the guitar is not restricted by the instrument cable. But the pedals don’t move, so once you hook up a cable from the last pedal into the THR, you don’t need the pedal to follow you around the stage, it can just sit there on the floor ;-).
oh... does that feedback like crazy on high gain?
Love this .. now i can practice my lead lines, thanks for this :) .
is there any loss in signal quality using the aux instead of the 1/4 jack?
Almost definitely.
Hi, thanks for the tip.i tried this out and the looper sound is extremely low I can barely hear it
.I seem to have the correct setup and also checked the thr app setting..I have the rc1 that's the only difference.
Great Job! I needed this
Had a go at this, I get a way more noise coming from my RC3 if I connect this into the aux. I prefer to just use the amp in clean mode when looping and use existing pedals on the pedal board for effects (with the looper at the end of the pedal board).
If you want to have true stereo sound you might need two 1/4"-1/4" (mono) cables between the THR and the looper. THR line out Left -> Looper Input A; THR line out Right -> Looper Input B. Using Only one cable results in mono loop tracks (i.e. I the same sound on left and right channels). Is this assumption correct? Thanks
Yes, to retain the true stereo, run a pair of 1/4" mono cables from the L and R outputs of the THR into the L and R inputs of the looper, then use a "Y" adapter to connect a pair of 1/4" mono cables to the L and R outputs of the looper, and combine them into a 1/8" stereo cable to plug into the AUX input of the THR.
@@KevinIlsen No dice on my end, RC5 with two mono cables going in the back and two mono cables with a Y at one end that goes into the AUX. ‘Guitar’ button turned to 0 on both amp and app yet a high pitched unbearable sound form both guitar and drums.
@@mattiasblom3697 same
Could I also add a volume and wah pedal into the chain?
Thanks
No reason why not as far as I can tell
Thanks
.... just using 2 cables instead of wireless works perfect for me?
Obvious! Why didn’t I think of this? Damn you’re smart!
Simon Jensen thanks but it wasn’t my idea. Someone else mentioned it in passing on a forum somewhere so I figured people would appreciate a detailed video.
Very well. Excelent presentation. I have licked and subscrived.
Hi Kevin - many thanks for this great video and work around. However I am unfortunately having an issue when copying your setup, and would be grateful if you could give any guidance/advice.
I have the THR30ii + Boss RC-5 Looper. When I copy your setup (either with 2 line-outs going into the RC-5, or just one), I get a very twangy / electric sound when I run the loop back into the amp (kind of like a bad "Phaser" effect). I have tried everything I can think of to fix this, including
1. Running the loop pedal into a separate speaker or to headphones to see if it is an issue with the Loop setup. This sounds fine.
2. Testing the THR amp's aux and lineout separately. Both work fine.
3. Running the loop pedal in front of the THR amp (i.e. effects impact both the loop and guitar input). This also works fine.
Accordingly, the issue only appears when I go Guitar > THR Input (either via cable or Relay G10)> Line Out (mono or stereo) > RC-5 (mono or stereo input and output) > THR Aux input = Terrible twangy tinny electric phaser sound.
Have you or anyone else run in to this problem? I am at a loss what to check next (I even purchased a Audio Ground Loop Isolator Filter Suppressor to see if that would help, but no luck).
Cheers
Luke
Hey Luke . . . I think I've got a fix for you! First of all, make absolutely certain that the "Guitar" output knob on the THR30ii is set all the way down to 0. Use the "Audio" knob next to it to control the output volume. In addition, in the THR app on your smartphone, after pairing with the THR30ii, click the icon that looks like a gear (in the upper right corner). In the window that pops up, adjust the "GUITAR/AUDIO" knob so that it is ALL THE WAY DOWN (i.e., set to 0). If that's set above 0, you're going to get a horrible high-pitched squeal.
@@KevinIlsen This was the missing piece!
Thank you very
I had a different problem, or at least with guitar output at 0 on the amp (didn't check the app) there was still noise as long as I took the output from the L channel. But as soon as I moved to R it disappeared and now I can rock! 🤘
@@KevinIlsen OMG. THANK YOU. My partner got me a loop pedal for Christmas and I've been having to unplug either the input or output in order to use it until now. How did you find out about this fix? Any idea why it works?
@@stevephen I saw it mentioned in a forum somewhere so I tried it. Then I figured I’d make a video showing how to hook it up. Note that you can’t do overdubs on your looper when you hook it up this way, because the overdubs will keep getting recorded on top again. And the small gauge cable going into the aux in jack is going to have some loss of fidelity. But for practicing at home and just being able to improvise with effects over a chord progression, it’s quite adequate.
Absolutely great great idea, so thank you very much.
Thanks Kevin, I have the THRii 10... no line out, but still you’ve got me thinking :) I’ve been using a looper on my iPad but the tonal quality suffers.
Thanks for sharing, very much appreciated. Will be doing this this afternoon. Perfect ;-)
Awesome video tune your guitar man!
Good Video, works fine with the right Output . The left Output makes a horrible feedback, and so i cannot use it. Only the left Output is okay for me, but only mono. I would like using both Outputs, if possible, but there is only great noise. Any idea?
Greetings from Bremen Germany….Christian
Try using the mobile app to reduce the guitar level all the way to 0; only the “aux” output should be on.
@@KevinIlsen Thanx, that was exactly the reason👍
What a helpful video! You rock!
That's freakin rad
Do you have static / line noise in the loop when you do this? It works great other than that for me.
Make sure to go into the THR app and set the guitar output volume to 0. If you don't do this you'll get a lot of noise. It's not enough to adjust the physical knobs on the THR; you need to do it in the app.
New subscriber here so thanks for the vIdeo. It was very helpful and you seem very knowledgeable of the signal flow of the amp I am hoping you can help me figure something out because it’s confusing me. I like busking and playing blues over backing tracks. I have the THR30II plus the Airstep YT bluetooth foot pedal so I can switch channels or add effects which makes using the THR30 a joy. I also have the Line 6 G10 transmitter so I am fully wireless. My question is I want to buy a second THR30II so I can increase the volume when busking. So I am racking my brain trying to figure out how to use the two amps and still be wireless, play along with backing tracks and use the Airstep Bluetooth foot controller. So here are my questions and would be so grateful if you could explain if this would work or have another suggestion.
1.). Can I use the Line 6 G10 relay to simultaneously control both amps? I thought I read online that was possible but you would know for sure.
2.). Can I simultaneously stream backing tracks to both amps
3.) Same goes for Airstep footpedal. Any idea if one pedal can control channel switching on both THR30s?
My other idea is if the above option does not work, would taking the line out of the left or right pedal from amp 1 into either Line or Aux in to second amp be a working solution meaning I can somehow still use backing tracks and get the power of both amps. I am thinking if I go into Aux and use clean channel on amp 2, the first amp would still allow me to switch channels using the Airstep wireless foot pedal and the second amp would essentially be just used for the increase in volume. I would be able to adjust the mix between backing tracks & guitar sound on the first amp and all I would need is a an adapter to convert from 1/4 inch to 3.5 aux. Or would I be better off going line out on amp 1 to line in on Amp 2 instead of using the Aux in?
If that doesn’t seem like a workable solution, would I need some type of pedal that has stereo out with one channel going to amp 1 & second channel to amp 2? The only thing I am concerned about is the backing tracks would be too low if I can only Bluetooth to one amp. Or can I forget wireless and get some type of splitter so the output from my iPhone using backing tracks can go to both Aux inputs simultaneously? I still would need both amps for my guitar sound and definitely need channel switching so I can go from clean to dirty sound.
I know this is a long post so really appreciate any advice you can share and help me with a working solution. 🙏
I'm glad you found the video helpful. I'll try to answer your questions, but please take it with a grain of salt; I'm just guessing.
1. I don't see how you can transmit from your Line 6 relay directly to two amps, if that's indeed what you're asking. It's going to pair with only one, and transmit the signal to that one. (I bought the Line 6 transmitter AND receiver; I can transmit directly to the THR30II, or I can use the Line 6 receiver, plug it into one of my other amps, and transmit to that.)
2. What are you using to stream backing tracks? For example, is it an iPhone, an iPad, a computer? If you have two devices capable of receiving bluetooth audio -- for example, your THR30II and also a portable bluetooth speaker, see if it's possible to stream from your device to both of them. If it is, then yes, you'll be able to stream to both amps.
3. I have two AirStep foot pedals -- I bought the combo direct from XSonic. So I have the standard one (that allows wireless as well as wired connections) and I also have the Lite (which only supports wireless connections). I generally use one to control the THR30II, and the other to control my computer or tablet. I do not think it's possible for a single wireless AirStep to communicate with two different devices.
If your main goal is to increase the volume when busking, then I think you should NOT buy a second THR30II. You don't need all the effects in the second THR30II, and you don't need the wireless. capabilities. You don't need two complete THR30IIs; you just need to take the output of the THR30II that you have, and make it louder. Basically, you want to use the THR30II as a pre-amp, and send the signal to another amp that has more power.
See if you can find a battery powered amp that is pretty much just an amp. It doesn't need to accept a wireless signal from your guitar or from a backing track. It just needs a 1/4" input. Then simply use an instrument cable to go from the line out on your THR30II (either the L or the R jack; it shouldn't matter), into the input of the second amp. This *should* work; it should carry the combination of your guitar and the backing track from the THR30II into the second amp, and amplify it. (If you have a regular amp at home -- not battery powered -- you can test this easily.)
The reason I think this is going to work is: I often go to open mics to play a few songs. They provide a 1/4" instrument cable that I would typically plug into my acoustic guitar; it runs directly into the bar's mixing board and into their PA. But sometimes I go up on stage at the open mic with my electric guitar and a band. For simple quick setup, I bring my THR30II, my wireless transmitter, and my AirStep. I'm totally wireless, except for one thing: I take the 1/4" cable that they provide, and plug it into the L or R jack on the back of my THR30II. Everything I play ends up feeding into the PA and they are able to control the volume and mix it with the vocal mics, etc. But I am also able to hear it through the speakers of the THR30II -- they are not disabled when using the line out jack, so it basically functions as a stage monitor for my own playing, and I can adjust the volume to suit me.
Hope this helps. As I said, if you have a regular AC powered amp at home, you can test it. Since the L and R outputs on the back of the THR30II are line level (not speaker level), neither amp should suffer any damage. (BUT . . . I'm not an electrical engineer, so I an't guarantee that.)
Also, there's a good THR group on Facebook, and I think some other folks have some experience connecting the THR30II to another amp.
@@KevinIlsen Hey Kevin….thanks so much for taking the time to write such a detailed response. It humbles me that you wrote me such a long reply and I really appreciate your feedback.
And I agree with what you wrote & recommended 100%. The irony is I do not own a car but have an ebike equipped with 6 JBL Extreme 3 speakers and a JBL Boombox 2 that are all networked together using JBLs proprietary Bluetooth feature called PartyBoost found on their latest generation of speakers.
So when I cruise around Austin TX I stream music using Bluetooth from my IPhone to the JBL Boombox 2 which connects to the 6 Extreme 3s and is like 450 watts of power. It’s an EPIC sounding rig. I am visiting my family in NY now so do not have access to my bike. But from what I read online, in order to use the party boost feature and have all 7 speakers connected using Partyboost the source of the music must be Bluetooth.
The cool thing is the JBL Boombox 2 has a 3.5 mm Aux input so I am hoping all I need is a cable with a 1/4 inch plug and a 3.5 mm adapter so I can go line out from the THR30 to the Aux in on the JBL Boombox 2 which is 160 watts and way much louder than adding a second THR30. If that works, I will be in my glory and almost want to cry now as I will quadruple the volume of the guitar sound and as you mentioned the THR30 also still plays. Just hoping the 3.5 mm Aux will work because you suggesting going into a line in which JBL Boombox 2 does not have. If that does in fact work I will use my iPhone to stream backing tracks to the 6 JBL Extreme 3s which I already knows works as used these 6 speakers before I added the JBL Boombox 2.
I keep my THR30 in my saddle bag and wear my guitar on my back so I am fully mobile when I go busking. I am calling JBL support right after I am done replying to your comment to see if there is a work around to get all 7 speakers connected with Partyboost. But worst case scenario I believe I now have an amazing solution as long as THR30 works with JBL Boombox. And you mentioned I only need left or right line out and not a stereo out cable so I am going to order the best quality cable today & adapter from Sweatwater which will be waiting for me when I return to Austin on August 12th.
Thanks again for giving me probably the best advice I have ever got on YT regarding a question about music. Plus NOT having to buy another THR30 amp is a big savings for me especially when you mentioned the THR30 could still be used as a monitor when line out goes to PA. I used to go to all the open blues jams in Austin until Covid hit and now all I need is my THR30 into PA and I have a wireless channel switching setting with Airstep.
I will 100% send you an update when I return to Austin but if you tell me in your reply that you believe the THR30 will work fine with the JBL Boombox 2 aux in you will make my day.
Plus the money I save from not buying a second THR30 I will now put towards a looper which is how I originally found your video because I was wondering if there was a solution using a looper with THR30. I already own a beat buddy so thinking maybe the Singular Aeros would be a good choice. Any thoughts on that looper? It’s not battery powered but I have a Battery bank and enjoy playing outside when weather is nice.
Thanks again Steve. You are awesome my friend!!!
@@director2bob I don't have a JBL Boombox 2 but I looked it up online and it looks like a nice unit. Given that it has an AUX input, you should have no trouble connecting the THR30II to it; just run a cable from one of the 1/4" LINE OUT jacks on the back of the THR30II to the 3.5mm AUX input of the JBL. The only issue you might encounter is whether the JBL can simultaneously accept AUX input and Bluetooth input signals. If not, then you won't be able to stream your backing tracks directly from your phone to the JBL. And that will be a big problem, because I just did a little test with my THR30II, and it does NOT appear that the LINE OUT signal carries the backing track.
Regarding the addition of a looper pedal to your rig: I've only ever used Boss loopers. I have an RC-3 and an RC-5 and they're both awesome. Any looper should work. But here too you're going to have to be careful, because you'll want to put the looper pedal in between the LINE OUT and the AUX IN of the THR30II. Fortunately, there are two LINE OUT jacks, so you should be able to run the OTHER one to the JBL! (And this of course means you've got to be doing everything strictly in mono, so that the L and R channels have the exact same signal.)
I'll be interested in knowing how this all turns out. Maybe you can record a video once you have it all hooked up!
Regarding adding the looper pedal to the equation:
I wonder if this will work with my spark amp
If i'm right you can plug stereo into the aux via a jack/jack to mini stereo mini jack.
right on,m thank you, I just bought one of these
Realy great job. Thanks
Can you use headphones?
Brilliant! Thanks Kevin.
thanks, i'm doing this now with rc 5, works great
Really appreciate you sharing this tip. Love this amp and can't wait to hook my looper up!
Hey Kevin thank you for this video! I exclusively only buy amps with effects loop because I love using my Boomerang looper. I loved my THR10C but sold it because of lack of effects loop. Do you think this would work on the old THR10? The one you have is 499.99 while I can get the old one for $150!
I’m not familiar with the old THR10. But if it doesn’t have a line out and an aux in, then this won’t work.
@@KevinIlsen right on Kevin thanks! I'm gonna try to find a cheaper practice amp with line out and aux in.
@@CarlitoM77 THR10 has the "phones" out. Have you tried that one ?
@@emanueledf No, I have the thr30ii. I got it working. I had to turn down the guitar/audio dial in the thr remote editor app. 👍🏼
Doesn't the THR also send the AUX input signal through the Output?
So if you do an Overdub on the Looper it would record the first loop again.
Or am I thinking wrong?
Best regards!
I just did some tests, and you are 100% correct. So although this technique will work for laying down a single loop and then playing over it with different amp settings, it is not going to work if you want to do overdubs on the looper. For overdubs to work properly, you'd need a true FX Send/Return capability prior to the output.
@@KevinIlsen Hey Kevin, thanks for checking.
It would be so great if there was an option in the app to unlink the aux in from the output.
I thought about sending the guitar via output to a multitrack recorder and use the aux in as Monitor for the live mix. That doesn't work ether.
I use a looper in front of the amp. That works great, too. Just not so many sound options :)
Make sure to turn the GUITAR/AUDIO setting in the THR Remote software to 0 when you're doing this, or you'll have feedback issues. (Probably late to the game, but hopefully someone will find this comment helpful).
Will it works with a stereo reverb pedal, in the same way? Thanks
Yes; check out the other comments for details about hooking it up in stereo.
@@KevinIlsen great! One more thing, when you plug the line outs without connecting back to line in, the speakers become muted? Thanks so much
@@tiago5a No, the speakers are not muted.
@@KevinIlsen then I should turn down the guitar knob to zero, to avoid feedback. Right? Thanks once again
@@tiago5a yes; guitar output knob all the way down to 0
I have a Digitech Trio+ and run into the amp input and a secondary battery powered PA amp for the drums and bass. That way the drums and bass are not colored but the amp tones.
Thanks, chad version Larry David
I’m going to do this with my Roland Cube. Just looked this amp up the line outs are stereo & the aux in is stereo & the looper is stereo.
Would merging the left and right channels using a mixer improve the audio quality?
I’m not sure; I suppose you could try
@@KevinIlsen Thanks for the quick response. When I listen through headphones using the looper hookup method in your video, I am getting stereo...I was afraid that I would only get a signal from the side that I had hooked the audio out to. So...K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple Snoopy!
Hi Kevin, can you anyway do this on the THR10ii since it has no Line out? Could you use the phones output maybe?
I don’t have a 10 so I can’t say for sure.
So basically it is possible to use the 4 cable method with this work around?
I would love to use a line6 hx effects with the thr30ii, but I've always given up on that idea since the yamaha has no fx loop.
Is there any loss in tone using the aux instead?
Thanks a lot and cheers from Germany Kevin.
Yes, you can use the 4 cable method and effectively stack other effects before (or instead of) the looper. I would imagine that there is signal degradation when using the aux jack, simply because it's a smaller jack -- you won't get the quality that you get with a 1/4" cable.
@@KevinIlsen Thanks for the response!
You are a genius.
I didn’t figure this out; I read about it in a forum. I just figured a video would be helpful.
The ingenuity of some people is wonderful.
Wish I could take the credit for the idea. I saw it mentioned on a couple of forums, and figured it would be helpful to show it in a video.
I have headphones connected to the THR. I tried this and I only got sound out of one side, which is the same side that the LINE OUT from the amp is connected. How can I get sound from both sides? Thanks in advance!
You’d need to run two 1/4” cables from the left and right line outs into your looper pedal. If your looper pedal is stereo, then take the two outputs from the looper and combine them using a Y cable connector to run into the AUX input. If your looper pedal is mono, you’ll need to use the Y connector to combine the L and R outputs into a single cable into your looper pedal.
Hi Kevin - a quick question - are the cables you are using with the R3 stereo? Great video.
In the video, I used a TS (mono) 1/4” cable from one output channel of the THR into one input of the RC3, and then a TRS (stereo) 1/4” cable from one RC3 output, into a mini TRS (stereo) cable that I plugged into the aux input jack of the THR. So, yes and no. But this didn’t give me true stereo. To do that you’d need two individual mono 1/4” cables going from the L and R line outputs of the THR into the L and R inputs of the RC3, then a 1/4” “Y” cable with two TS (mono) plugs on one end and a single TRS (stereo) connector on the other, to join the L and R outputs of the RC3 into a single TRS (stereo) connector, followed by a 1/4” TRS to 1/8”TRS adapter to connect to the aux input of the THR.
@@KevinIlsen Hi Kevin. Many thanks. Do you think either of the ways you discuss are better than the other?
@@thecaninebehaviourist really depends on how valuable you find the stereo effect in the THR. In my opinion, it's not worth the extra effort of hooking up the stereo cables. But you might feel otherwise.
@@KevinIlsen Thanks Kevin. I will bow to your, vastly superior skills and knowledge (I'm just an ageing noodler). Just about to upgrade my THR10C to the THR30ll. Invaluable video and advice! Cheers :)
@@KevinIlsen Hi Kevin. Last question. I've now got my new THR30ii - I've connected it to a Boss 500 as you described. When I run the volume up on the THR I get horrendous feedback. Am I missing something obvious? Many thanks.
Dumb question here. How does your setup differ from just plugging your guitar into the looper pedal, then running the output of the looper pedal to the guitar input of the amp?
The THR has a number of built-in effects, including reverb / delay, chorus, gain level, and of course the overall "voicing." These effects are all applied to whatever signal is fed into the Guitar input. So, for example, if you wanted to record a chord progression on your looper using a "clean" voicing, with maybe just a little reverb and nothing else, and then changed the THR settings to play a lead over the loop using a high gain voicing and a lot of echo, you would NOT be able to do that if you plugged your guitar into the looper pedal and the looper pedal into the guitar input of the THR. The high gain and massive echo would be applied to the entire signal, including the chord progression that you already recorded. This is one of the reasons why amplifiers have an FX Loop. It allows you to put modulation pedals (such as chorus, flanger, reverb, and delay) as well as a looper pedal in between the gain stage of the amp and the power amplifier stage of the amp. You always want your looper to be the very last thing in the signal chain, just before the power amplification stage. Trust me, if you're used to plugging your guitar into your looper, and then your looper into the input of your amp, and if your amp has an FX Loop, try putting your looper in the FX Loop. You'll be much happier.
GREAT video
Thank you!
Great idea! Thanks for sharing!
Can you replace the battery when the Yamaha loses it’s capacity after a few years?
Good question; I have no idea. Maybe ask Yamaha?
Kevin Ilsen I tried but they don’t answer.
It feels like a product that can only last a couple years at most..
No one has been able to give a Definitive Answer on this subject???
No doubt there will be a ‘how to’ video on TH-cam a few years hence!!🤗