The Book Club: Symposium by Plato with Spencer Klavan | The Book Club
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- Love is an innate desire of every human being, but how do you define it and what is its purpose in relationships? Michael Knowles and Spencer Klavan take you through one of the most collective philosophical texts on love in Western literature: Plato’s The Symposium.
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Went to school with Spencer growing up and he is an incredibly gifted and awesome man.
Nice!
Can confirm, was in our schools production of Pippin with him and it was a great time. Spencer is a great dude.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE this series. As a Mom, it’s so nice to listen to this analysis while I clean and cook. I never want it to end.
Rachel The cooking and cleaning or the analysis? :)
@@terryboyer1342 I get enjoyment from both although I'd obviously enjoy being entertained endlessly instead lol
@@rachelpredicts Feminists today would tell you not to cook and clean in order to dismantle patriarchy! The truth is that we have to stick to tradition because this is where a woman belongs. Thank you
@Cat Sniper
I would add to that, women cook and clean not because that's where they belong, but that is where women find an outlet for their innate bent. While I was a career gal for 30 years, I found that I was the one who constantly cleaned up after clientele, enjoyed managing the resources, created uses for expended resources, and tried to present and beautiful environment. I only know a few men who do that. Most men I know like to use the resources, protect and defend the company, find solutions, create new avenues. Whether in a company or a family, we are well-balanced in function.
I can't wait for you to get to CS Lewis. Mere Christianity and The Abolition of Man would be great!
Dang! You beat me to the "Abolition of Man" recommendation!
@@Will_GM_for_Food It’s an excellent book I’ve read it twice. It’s as good as Mere Christianity which is a masterpiece.
Screwtape Letters is another good one. Heck even Narnia would be cool, good children’s literature needs to be taken as serious at it truly is.
@@christianbjorck816 I liked Narnia as a kid but I haven't read the Screwtape Letters yet. I'm going through the Great Divorce right now then I'm gonna move onto the space trilogy.
Feel free to check out Hillsdale literature course. They do a great job covering Lewis.
Book clubs are the best PragerU vids
Brilliant, i loved this❤️😍 this was better than many of my university classes
Prager U talking about the nuances of homoeroticism 🤩
Yes, the left has definitely won this election...
Thank you for this breakdown of the book!
I enjoy these book club episodes very much.
I love Prager U videos, especially these specials with Michael and his guests! Will you in a future episode discuss Paradise Lost or Faust by Goethe also?
Btw, all love from Romania!
Paradise Lost has been done, sir! Search on TH-cam or in the Prager library for it. And enjoy!
Andrew Klavan must be proud of having a son that is so smart !
It’s an interesting conversation but you keep using the term “platonic eros” when you should have been using terms like storgi, agape, and philia. As such I highly recommend that your next discussion center around “The Four Loves” by CS Lewis.
While those words are Ancient Greek words for the ancient Greeks, if it all boiled down to sex for them, why would they seek to maintain the difference between those 4 loves? Only in and through a Christian lens do we rightfully maintain the distinction between each. I thought it was appropriate for them to continue using the same word, because that word was a theme that most Greeks clung to and understood versus the other three types of loves. The distinction is something that was eroded away for the ancient Greeks due to their beliefs and their beliefs in action
But the subject of the dialogue is eros.
There are some e’s in Spencer
😅
I love Spencer Klavan, No relation
Spence is very smart like his father
No relation
@@caddydonstans116 lolyes
@@caddydonstans116 ?
@@JP-cx3wc It's a running gag that they aren't related and only share the same surname.
Don't know who started it or why, but I've seen it several times on their respective twitter feeds.
Thanks for simplifying “The Symposium”.
This was very well done. I’m glad you guys kept honest to the work without sacrificing any of its intent or engaging in any revisionist history around the “homoeroticism” for your audience. Revisionist history is engaged by much of the left in many universities today, but I’m glad you both were true to Plato. As for the uncomfortable Christians in the comments, don’t feel so insecure and maybe expand your mind lol. Well done Michael, a very truly amazing review - love all these videos
I mean I was raised in a Conservative homeschool environment, so I can say the Right engages in that behavior too.
@@keatsiannightingale2025 yes, it is also very popular for conservatives to elide certain things about people/authors/ art they venerate in order for them to “fit their mold” better; For instance - conservatives eliding the fact that Tchaikovsky, Walt Whitman, Oscar Wilde, Da Vinci, Aristotle, Alexander the Great, Emily Dickinson, etc.. were all gay. You are right in saying that it occurs on both sides. It’s a fallacious human desire to create the people you admire in your image.
Honestly this is a really good minimalist rundown of this book. Plato was trying to delineate between logic and instinctual norms, and discern their individual effects on individual and macrosocial interaction.
Klavan
👍" beauty isn't specific
to one person
other people also have beauty "
I think that at some point you must cover Leo Tolstoy's The Death of Ivan Ilyich. It is a wonderful and highly underrated book in my humble opinion.
Michael Knowles is friends with Spencer Klavan?
I knew that I liked Michael for some reason.
Thank you very much for inviting the erudite and interesting Mr. Klavan. If I may be of some use, Freud was neither a psychologist nor a psychiatrist (he was a neurologist), and reading his work as saying everything is only about sex is a vast and reductionist simplification. If you were to wish to know what he really said in more nuanced terms, may I suggest that you invite a contemporary psychoanalyst who is a Freud scholar to discuss some of his work on the Book Club? The American Psychoanalytical Association can out you int touch with someone.
This is so helpful
At first glance we are attracted to physical beauty, but at last, it's the beauty of the mind that captivates and hold us. ~
Lovely!
Great video!
Good talk.
Freud to daughter Anna: “Sometimes my dear, a cigar is just a cigar”.
Excellent
good way to break this text down.
Gawt dang he is so much like his dad, no relation
A millennial in a too-tight shirt lowering himself to talk about the English translation of the Symposium... actually enjoyable. So please, will y'all review the Satyricon now? I know I keep asking, but I will not stop til you do it, so you might as well do it!
Plato. Plato? *Plato?!*
I think when Knowles
said " yeah " 6:30-31
he meant he's listening
and doesn't tune out people
Spencer pronounces several words quite differently than I'm used to, such as 'prescient'. I had to do a double take listen a few times.
Comment!!!
IT is not "Spartan love", but "Theban love" as they had the Sacred Band (a military formation made form 150 pair of homosexual "lovers") which the Spartans disdained.
Maybe you should discuss Mein Kampf, and not the book about Love.
Premiering this far out really sucks
One would read Hamlet.
Love is not love? Awesome
Jesemio Ramirez
1 Corinthians 13:1-13
Jesemio Ramirez
1 Corinthians 13:1-13
Re vote
Great listen. Aristotle is better.
I feel a little cheated that we didn't get a teaser. Don't tell me I missed the "Premiering in 4 days from now" thing too.
This Spencer Klavan has no connection to the almighty Andrew Klavan does he?
His son
“No relation…”
8:03 federous represents love is greater bc it inspires shame to make ppl act honorably
28:10 comedy and tragedy are the same thing
Is he the son of Andrew Klavan?
Yes
No
These Book Club videos are great, but you need to cover some popular books. Conservatives need to cover popular culture if they're gonna spread their values
@@rohan7224 We need to win the culture war and we ain't gonna do it by conceding popular culture to the left.
@@dimitrikorsakov2570 Conservatism will only win a culture war when the utility of its values is actually demonstrated and its paranoia of social change is actually vindicated beyond knee-jerk reactions from Conservatives and Reactionaries. Based on what I’ve been seeing these last four years or so, neither of those will happen because it’s just a lot of smoke being blown around. LGBT+ people aren’t deteriorating American society and culture, and a few obnoxious popular authors or Twitter firebrands are not producing the greater part of the changes in the political or cultural landscape of America.
"Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said fellow Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested he throw out certain legal ballots during the recount of the presidential race... " Wall Street Journal...working for the people Donald Duck said???
1 Corinthians
13:1-13
🎯
Advertising for Clift Notes as “reading”... Vile.
hey, you guys know how to treat hemorrhoids?
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Ok, so I guess next read must be "The 120 Days of Sodom" by Sade?
Well couldn't have found a more obscure thing to discuss. Christianity is about lack of sex. Jesus was born of a virgin, even his mother got the no sex treatment when the church came up the Immaculate Conception. Monks, nuns, and priests, the highest form of the religion were forbidden to marry or have sex. Jesus himself seems to have been celibate and of course St. Paul (Saul) urged followers to be like him and avoid sex. Most of the saints throughout history were single. But....the Greeks had a tendency to intellectually rationalize anything they liked including having sex with boys, and slavery. (Sort of like Ayn Rand given people a "logical" reason to be selfish) For your next foray into books no one reads could you do "The Guide for the Perplexed" by the Jewish sage Rambam. I'm sure a short discussion of the rationality of Judaism might be in order.
PU!!!!!!!
Why is his head so small??
Is it from camara angles
Its ok
Ill get over it my love of Micheal will get me thru
Sex is not love
This interview with young Beetlejuice is ok
WHAT
I, Iris Gonzalez-Caulder
personally
don't think like this
22:17-36
of men friends
or woman friends
or men and women friends
only an unhealthy
heart and mind
thinks like that of friendships
I don't only like
my genderless friends
I love them
regardless
of their lack of in heart
1 Corinthians 13:1-13
Live 217
and
Let Die Cary and Iris
11-16
you ain't God the Spirit
of truth
and justice
Lost me at gay
Good, leave.
You won’t win the culture with philosophy
Wrong. Philosophy departments were the first conquests by the left for a good reason.
Spencer Klavan (No relation)
Where my fellow future high school dropouts at? 🙍🏻♂️
...there is still an "i" in Thinkr...😁 Neither Plato or Freud understood true love. God is Love.
Spencer Klavan no relation!
YOU HAVENT ERASE ME THAT TIME. ADDITIONALY GREEK PEOPLE WERENT GAYS THE OPPOSITE. LAW IN ATHENS FROM SOLON FOR GAYS PEOPLE WAS VERY STRICT
Solon had male lovers
A family operates as a form of socialism. From each of us come goods and services according to our abilities. To each of us, those goods and services are provided according to need. One or both parents go to work and provide the wherewithal to keep house. The children do not do outside work yet eat well every day. Everybody shares the domestic chores the best they can, everyone pitches in, does their bit. Parents bring home food and share it out equally. They strive to make sure each child is given his or her equal share of clothing, gifts for their birthdays and Christmas. Family members look after one another, taking care of each other when sick, and caring for frail elderly grandparents. The system works. Families also help out other families by simply being good neighbours. When we invite friends over, we share the meal, offering the guest first pick, the most generous portions, the choicest cuts and we don’t charge prices for it. Nor do we ration our advice and wisdom according to who can afford it. At work, throughout the day, we work cooperatively with our co-workers. We give of ourselves, our knowledge, sharing our skills, without asking for money in return, expecting nothing more than a ‘thank you’. So why don't we apply these rules to society at large
Because it doesn't work for society at large. Only on a small scale.
Because people don't like or care as much for people who aren't directly in their lives. Let your local community and your churches handle it, followed by local government and then state government. Federalizing everything is the bottom of the barrel. Putting the most verifiably corrupt people in charge of the means of production is not a good moral choice to make.
🍎 ≠ 🍊
Because men- meaning human kind are naturally self serving. If all men were good we would need no laws.
A completely low-resolution conflation.
If two people surviving on a remote island don't need laws, why do we need societal legal systems at all?
See how stupid that sounds? That's how you sound. It's a fallacy of both scope and composition.
why is prageru promoting the original commie? burn platos books
When staring into the abyss, take care not to fall in. I.e., don't follow the example of your enemy to fight against it.
You can't be serious. People who espouse terrible ideas can also have good ideas. Just because of one or two bad ideas, you believe that we should ignore or shun a person? That's flawed logic, sir.
It's the Biden effect... The new leftist era has already had en effect on conservatives too.
How the hell is Plato communist at all?!
@@arcticfoxsa no idea
Really... out of all the pieces of literature you could do with Spencer, this is the one you do... lame
shouldnt classify the ancient greeks as “gay” because that didn’t exist back then.
they think differently than us now…