I'm not a muppet I happened to be a diesel mechanic and a diesel engine will get addicted to ether I don't care what anyone says I work on them all the time people use it year around because thay got it addicted to ether so you can believe what you want I know.
Anthony Young Can you let us all know where you work ? That way we can avoid letting you near our trucks ! You’re pretty fucking stupid if you can’t understand the FACTS that mucka put in the video ! You’re no diesel mechanic.
@@anthonyyoung7344 I'm not a muppet I happened to be a diesel mechanic too and those engines that wont start without ether even in the summer are fucked and need rebuilding. 9 times out 10 the the rings and bores are shagged through high hours or poor maintenance and would still be shagged if ether didn't exist. Addicted to ether just means the owner/operator cant be arsed to fix the problem and the only way to start it is with compression in a can.
I know this video is 2yrs old but i just love your explanation on the use/overuse of using ether to start a diesel engine. Everything is ok in moderation. Keep up the good videos 👍
Your quite rite Mucka, the only problem with ether is the dope using it, and emptying half a can down it's throat. engines only get "addicted" to it because there fucked 👍 we've rebuilt loads of engines and always been down to worn bores, piston rings, lack of compression.
The hot air intake broke on my grandfather Ford 333, so we used would take the air filter out and blast it with a propane torch. Worked a treat especially on cold days.
You are completly right. I used starter spary on my ford 2000 tractor for 5 years but only in small amonts because i had a bad fuel pump, and my tractor did not start up byself even when the engine was warm and i needed the tractor to work. Two years ago i had a bit of time and i broght my pump to a shop for reconditioning and it was like 100$ and now my tractor works without any problem and it starts without any spray or anything.
Laughing my tits off here, I've been saying the same thing to people for years, particularly the bloody idiots with outboards on fishing boats who don't seem to understand they shouldn't be going miles offshore with a knackered engine and a can of ether...
Ether is the automotive equivalent of giving an old TV set a measured whack, results will vary but when correctly administered the uninitiated can mistake it for a repair.
One showy winters day we where starting a jcb 525-58 and it was smoking but would not fire, so I held the key in the heat position. At the same time the old lad that worked in the yard pulled out the air filter and sprayed ether into the filter housing not noing I was holding the key, well the thermostart heater plug ignited the ether and a fire ball come out the filter housing and when I looked the old lad had a black face and burt eye brows. Well I was pissing my self in the snow so funny😂
Absolute Fact filled video LM...and I even remember back in the day crushable ether capsules we used to keep in the cabs of trucks with Detroit's every winter
The same ether myth exists on this side of the pond. Thanks for the effort to correct, although you may get more converts at time / last call. Thanks again. Narragansett Bay
LORD MUCK STEP AWAY FROM THE SOAPBOX! Bout time someone tried to educate people on how eather is supposed to be used. Iv experienced someone use half a can trying to start a jcb 536-60 with a broken lift pump. He then went to get his new can. Couldn't find it anywhere. He knew he had a new can. He knew it was in there. Good job he didnt look in the back of me pickup 🤣
5° is tee-shirt weather for Geordies. Broon Ale is anti-freeze. (Tastes like it, anyway)... I've come across this ether addiction theory and it makes no sense. Does it irreversibly alter a diesel engine? No. Quid hoc ergo propter hoc. And, as we all know, the ancient Roman knew bugger all about diesels... (Brilliant explanation, btw. You clearly have my teaching technique. 'Stop trying to think, you're no good at it! Listen!)... 🤔🤬🤯... 👍
Didn't read the comments from your last video but given what you said was mashed out by keyboard experts that was a good thing as it saves me from having a permanent facepalm🤦👍
Haha ! Thanks much appreciated but the thing is my channel will never grow fast as it doesn't appeal to the seat covers and fanboys. I film what I enjoy and share with other like-minded types with half a brain who understand and appreciate machinery and equipment. Good to have you with us.
We had an after market ether cold start system fitted on our trucks when I worked in Germany MANY years ago to lower the flash point and warm the engine in the pre-heater days. Used sparingly and when actually required it was a godsent but it required a trained operator to be the brain for that truck, if it didn't start you found out why and you fixed it! Great to hear someone talking basic engineering sense. Nice upload. 👍
brilliant video enjoyed that, ill have to show it to my old man whos always banging on about how its addicting, and he could never give me an answer as to why, it just does he says, load of crap!
The complaint about it all going into one cylinder is dumb. Even if thats how the engine worked wouldnt you want more ether in the cylinder that's about to enter combustion anyways
I am a new subscriber and going over some old videos . A good video this one , being working on Marine diesals for 40 yrs and the Ether addiction is rediculous , the people who say it dont understand a lot . I agree entirely that the reason you have to use is because there is something wrong , and until you fix the original fault you will have to keep on using it , SIMPLE . As for wanging them over on the starter motor , this will just cause damage ! The insulation in the starter motor and on the leads is only made for 10 second bursts, so if you burn ya leads you will need to keep usin Ether because will end up slow starting speeds. As you said its all to do with heat on top of the pistons through compression , if they have being stood a long time , or being stood in sub zero temperatures the compression is going to be low . Long periods of storage , everything will have contracted and oil presence will have disappeared , sub zero temperatures same again . Every engine I have rebuilt has needed Ether till its warmed and the compression rises.
I modified all my drotts with heater plugs that took full battery voltage , not five volts after a resistor. Never had to use easy start again on those machines.. Will start fine in cold weather. Years ago when I worked on plant, an old B100 on a cold morning would not start. twin oil bath cleaners. Dropped off one bowl and used a burning rag on a stick. Started ok, but then noticed the paint on the second oil bath bowl starting to bubble ! the oil had caught fire . oops.
A diesel is not a human being?? Does that mean I’ve wasted my time talking to my 7.3 Powerstroke all these years? We actually had a close relationship and understood each other. Noe I’m devastated.
Very good and very true everything you've just said is 100 percent correct. And i admire someone who tells something as it is.. fair play keep up the good content 👍
problem isnt the ether... its the Operator. The addicted to ether BS is spouted by people who have NEVER owned a diesel and Have never disassembled an engine of any type and dont know how they work.
You've earned my likes and subscription, love your sense of humor. The guy from Vice Grip Garage does things specifically to irk the Safety Sams and super-mechanics it's hilarious. You know about the Diesel engine, your knowledge is 100% correct, they have done awful things to the simplest, most reliable engine though; they computerized farm equipment and vehicles so that only company service personell are able to make repairs. It's awful.
I can't possibly comment on the myths that surround ether so I won't. However, there are some occasions where only the term "Bollocks" will do! A great vid Mucker, thanks. Is ether also known as Wynns "Start Ya Bastard" in Australia? 😁😁
Love the video, great explanation, brilliant use of various monkey / detonation pictures 🤣🤣🤣 Sounds like a lot of people need to go hunt out a copy of Diesel Mechanics by Erich Schultz 😂
Rookie here... So before the heavy mob attack, it literally is a question. I was about to use easy start and a neighbour said it strips the oil lubricant off the piston walls as it's solvent based,..... How true is this? Confident already just hearing this guy, matter of fact with NO scaremongering bollocks....
Tell your neighbour to fuck off and go lay down somewhere safe. If you just need to get an engine started, you'll be fine. If it needs ether every time then you've an underlying issue.
I have been a farmer since I was five and have ran a tractor since I was five and I know for a fact it takes more than a squirt to burn the heads of the injector some people are not so smart
My old dad used to take the bottom of the air clear light a bit of paper feed bag and put it under while I turned it over worked ok as long as the hole thing didn't go up in flames think fixing the heater plugs would have been better
One of the best explanations in farmer language you truly understand the job. We'll done... Ex diesel fuel injection engineer and hgv mechanic. 👍👍👍👍Could not have explained it better.. I know the frustration of dealing with Muppets. ☺☺
i have worked on diesel engines and have heard that myth and everyone told me about them being addicted and i told them its the biggest load of bollocks i have ever heard
Our T20 used to need a squirt of easy start, but its fine now without it, I think the whole addicted thing is really if you use ether every time you start it. For example a friend used to have a 4 cylinder diesel 35 that would never start without it, after a couple years of constant use.
There used to be a man in Newtown mid wales called Malcolm Davies who had a small agricultural engineering business I think he sold universal tractors who used to specialise in mf 35 4 cyls he used to modify the cylinder head and change the pistons which made them start and run smoother I only ever met him once he came over has a very knowledgable but very eccentric man
My JCB 526s doesn’t have heater plugs, starts on the key even in the coldest winter, I wish it wouldn’t start some times I could buy some ether, love the smell of it! Am I addicted?😂
People who say engines get adicted to easy start just want something to moan about there cant be enough things in this world to moan about and i like the picture you put of something has changed had a good laugh
Most of the poor starting machines I get called to is caused by poor fuel, water in the fuel because the trap is not drained at least once a week. And machines filled up from dirty cans or drums. I modified all the heaters on my I H Drotts. No starting issues any more
Great comedy made me laugh like buggery. have to say iv never heard of a 4 cylinder junkie. some people have some strange ideas, maybe that's why they don't stop to think if they're having problems there is some thing wrong. keep up the good work.
Great explanation. I'm a or was a farm boy in the states. Grew up in Minnesota and on mornings when the wind chill is -30 F. WE HAD TO USE ETHER. Or light a fire under the engine to warm it up. And I don't think my father would have agreed to that going on under a $80000 tractor and cattle needing to be fed. Any way, we had ether attached to the engine on some or a can of it in the tool box. And if used properly and can of ether would last forever because like you said. It just needs a couple of squirts and you're good to go. Great vids. Really like how you make those old girls purr again.
I drove a boat with a Detroit 8/71 twin turbo and even in the Australian summer it would not cold start without ether but it had ether induction ports under the blower from factory so if it was addicted it was from birth and it's Muma must have been an ether junkie.
An old diesel engine often needs an extra push when it has been standing for a long time. There is nothing strange about that. However, I know that many people think it is completely wrong to use ether.
Top video ! Loving the rant :) clear and simple too ! Heard it many times about the “addiction to ether” and knock knock bang when muppets use half a can !! Keep up the good work !
You are absolutely right mate. I bought a Nuffield 465 that had sat for 6 years, Changed all the oils fixed all the brakes and gaskets. Used a bit of ether (aerostart in Australia where I am) to wake her up and off she went. Next day started on the button no ether at all. See people, they don’t get addicted, it’s only to help if you’re finding it hard to start it.
Detonated a 7.3 powerstroke that randomly stopped running couldn't find an issue fuel pump was running just wouldn't fuel injectors were clicking... randomly got air in it despite having a full tank ethered the piss out of her glow plugs decided to turn on and yeah my air filter ended up in the road on firing and I had to get a new air intake and filter..... 50k miles later still running no idea what happened... changed where I bought fuel and never had a problem agian so you tell me
@@LordMuck yep just started mis firing 1 cylinder at a time and I'd say we spent 2 fairly new 31p battery's to the grave trying to bring it back to life ... left me on the interstate 4 times until I got all the fuel out of it just had to get out hit the fuel pressure testing port to pet the "air/whatever the fuck was in that fuel" out and it eventually came back to normal. I gotta say tho testimate to the powerstrokes rods she detonated hard
I've been a heavy duty mechanic for 20 years and I've use ether many times for various reasons. An engine does not get addicted to ether. If you need ether above freezing. The engine has low compression. It either needs a valve set or a rebuild.
Good video good info. Here in the southern US addition to starting fluid is what we refer to some old tractor or logging equipment that had the problems you referred to but some guy didn't know how or want to spend the money to fix so after years of dry starting and wearing out the cylinder walls wouldn't have good compression to ignite fuel air mix and wouldn't start with out starting fluid keep the information coming
If you have functioning glow plugs and the engine is in good order you won't need ether. If it's sacked out and your glow plugs don't work it won't matter. If you happened to use a couple of squirts combined with the glow plugs it won't do much either way despite the horror stories.
I never understood how that wives tale got started. Its a machine, its not alive, how can it get addicted to anything. Some people just shouldn't be allowed to have it though. Ive seen tractors at auctions in that past that had manifold heaters in them and the manifolds have been blown almost clean off the side of the engine. You know what happened there. Seen a few IH 560's and 706's with glow plug engines that had broken cranks and cracked heads, you probably know what happened there to. lol
Ive had 2 engines that i had to use eather on every cold start but that was due to an engine issue that was not a cost effective repair. Ive been on the tools for years and have had enough of hearing this 🐂💩 about addiction.
@@LordMuck in my instance both engines were going in the shredder as the faults were terminal and it was to get me by for a few months so not worth spending on them one had been hydrauliced and the other had a bad score on a non lined bore but people are too lazy to diagnose the issue and just blame eather.
OMG this Comment Section is pure GOLD for an swear word enthusiast like me!! love it. As english is not my first Language , I find it very entertaining whats user to express standpoints here. - "First Muppet "( Best nickname for Prime Minister /Chanceller ever) - "cant be arsed to fix the problem" (got great use for that!) - "starting fluid is a diagnostic tool, not a permanent solution" (amen brother) - "going miles offshore with a knackered engine and a can of ether..." (Sounds like a Stephen King Plot)
That was a good video. I totally agree with everything u said. I knew an old international that, on a frosty day. Just needed a little puff to get going. But the rest of the year it would happily go to work without any help. But I've seen people stand there, and wind half a can in, with the resulting bang and clouds of black smoke. It's so obvious there is something els wrong. Some will continue this procedure for years, then when it's totally ruined. Will say. Well it was always a bad starter.
My 2 pence worth, he’s dead right if your always needing ether that lump of steel doesn’t need rehab it’s needs looking at. The only heat without heaters comes from compressing the gas in the cylinders as pressure and temperature are directly proportional (gay Lussacs law) you could turn it over all day in the cold and take two years off your starter or give it a sniff. You decide
lol, great vid! I only came across 1 engine that took a prolonged shot of ether, it was a worn out, clapped out 15 liter in a semi (lori). It wouldn't cold start without it, and I would stand there another minute holding the go pedal, till it could idle. I was one of the only people that could start it on really cold mornings, and I got it to start every time.... I just woke up a lawn mower, that had been inoperable for months, with some (made sure to use small shots to get it to start, and stay running long enough to clear the carb)... I've driven semi trucks (lori's), with ether buttons....
I wonder who’s going to be the first muppet to argue against the facts? 🤣 Great video mucka, well explained and really well presented.
I'm not a muppet I happened to be a diesel mechanic and a diesel engine will get addicted to ether I don't care what anyone says I work on them all the time people use it year around because thay got it addicted to ether so you can believe what you want I know.
Anthony Young Can you let us all know where you work ? That way we can avoid letting you near our trucks ! You’re pretty fucking stupid if you can’t understand the FACTS that mucka put in the video ! You’re no diesel mechanic.
@@anthonyyoung7344 I'm not a muppet I happened to be a diesel mechanic too and those engines that wont start without ether even in the summer are fucked and need rebuilding. 9 times out 10 the the rings and bores are shagged through high hours or poor maintenance and would still be shagged if ether didn't exist. Addicted to ether just means the owner/operator cant be arsed to fix the problem and the only way to start it is with compression in a can.
@@anthonyyoung7344 what an idiot u are 😂😂
I never use it! Great Vidya buddy!
I feel like I've been granted an audience from the master himself 😀
Thanks for watching Peg, keep shittin' outta your ass !
Miiiiiiint ! 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
That's the greatest lie ever peg I've seen you run shit on cosby in a can 😂😂😂😂😂
Hahahahahahahaha
Big problem around Lincolnshire ,out of work homeless tractors ,lines of em all sniffin either and asking for handouts.
I know this video is 2yrs old but i just love your explanation on the use/overuse of using ether to start a diesel engine.
Everything is ok in moderation.
Keep up the good videos 👍
Its timeless - the facts are the same 😉
Your quite rite Mucka, the only problem with ether is the dope using it, and emptying half a can down it's throat.
engines only get "addicted" to it because there fucked 👍
we've rebuilt loads of engines and always been down to worn bores, piston rings, lack of compression.
The hot air intake broke on my grandfather Ford 333, so we used would take the air filter out and blast it with a propane torch. Worked a treat especially on cold days.
You are completly right. I used starter spary on my ford 2000 tractor for 5 years but only in small amonts because i had a bad fuel pump, and my tractor did not start up byself even when the engine was warm and i needed the tractor to work. Two years ago i had a bit of time and i broght my pump to a shop for reconditioning and it was like 100$ and now my tractor works without any problem and it starts without any spray or anything.
Laughing my tits off here, I've been saying the same thing to people for years, particularly the bloody idiots with outboards on fishing boats who don't seem to understand they shouldn't be going miles offshore with a knackered engine and a can of ether...
Ether is the automotive equivalent of giving an old TV set a measured whack, results will vary but when correctly administered the uninitiated can mistake it for a repair.
That's a fair summary however when correctly administered to a 'decent set' in the right conditions it's like having Sky for free...
That's fucking hilarious, I haven't seen a good TV whack for years but I could swear my Grandpa knew what he was doing.
One showy winters day we where starting a jcb 525-58 and it was smoking but would not fire, so I held the key in the heat position. At the same time the old lad that worked in the yard pulled out the air filter and sprayed ether into the filter housing not noing I was holding the key, well the thermostart heater plug ignited the ether and a fire ball come out the filter housing and when I looked the old lad had a black face and burt eye brows. Well I was pissing my self in the snow so funny😂
Too many cartoons?
Not enough drugs ?
I find putting diesel in my tank make my engine start 😉
Absolute Fact filled video LM...and I even remember back in the day crushable ether capsules we used to keep in the cabs of trucks with Detroit's every winter
The same ether myth exists on this side of the pond. Thanks for the effort to correct, although you may get more converts at time / last call. Thanks again. Narragansett Bay
LORD MUCK STEP AWAY FROM THE SOAPBOX! Bout time someone tried to educate people on how eather is supposed to be used. Iv experienced someone use half a can trying to start a jcb 536-60 with a broken lift pump. He then went to get his new can. Couldn't find it anywhere. He knew he had a new can. He knew it was in there. Good job he didnt look in the back of me pickup 🤣
You tell it like it is.... No bullshit.
Cracking vid once again kurt , looking forward to up coming vids .
Do you have to send your engine to rehab if it's developed an addiction ???
Love your videos keep up the good work 👍🏻👍🏻
Not sure how i could get it in the post.......but down here in Aus we have some starting fluid called "Start ya' Bastard".. I kid you not.
5° is tee-shirt weather for Geordies. Broon Ale is anti-freeze. (Tastes like it, anyway)... I've come across this ether addiction theory and it makes no sense. Does it irreversibly alter a diesel engine? No. Quid hoc ergo propter hoc. And, as we all know, the ancient Roman knew bugger all about diesels... (Brilliant explanation, btw. You clearly have my teaching technique. 'Stop trying to think, you're no good at it! Listen!)... 🤔🤬🤯... 👍
Finally someone that knows their stuff ! Brilliant video and had me laughing too ! Keep it up.
5 star job. I'm a fitter we use it and in small amounts you are right. Easy start is okay. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Didn't read the comments from your last video but given what you said was mashed out by keyboard experts that was a good thing as it saves me from having a permanent facepalm🤦👍
Good to see you finally gaining subscribers like you deserve!
Haha ! Thanks much appreciated but the thing is my channel will never grow fast as it doesn't appeal to the seat covers and fanboys. I film what I enjoy and share with other like-minded types with half a brain who understand and appreciate machinery and equipment.
Good to have you with us.
Lord Muck i wouldn’t be so sure. There’s a lot of folk like us around. Just need to get them watching TH-cam!
We had an after market ether cold start system fitted on our trucks when I worked in Germany MANY years ago to lower the flash point and warm the engine in the pre-heater days. Used sparingly and when actually required it was a godsent but it required a trained operator to be the brain for that truck, if it didn't start you found out why and you fixed it! Great to hear someone talking basic engineering sense. Nice upload. 👍
That's the way to use it in a nutshell 👌🏼
I love this guy he actually knows what he's doing ,don't see that everyday
brilliant video enjoyed that, ill have to show it to my old man whos always banging on about how its addicting, and he could never give me an answer as to why, it just does he says, load of crap!
The complaint about it all going into one cylinder is dumb. Even if thats how the engine worked wouldnt you want more ether in the cylinder that's about to enter combustion anyways
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I am a new subscriber and going over some old videos . A good video this one , being working on Marine diesals for 40 yrs and the Ether addiction is rediculous , the people who say it dont understand a lot . I agree entirely that the reason you have to use is because there is something wrong , and until you fix the original fault you will have to keep on using it , SIMPLE . As for wanging them over on the starter motor , this will just cause damage ! The insulation in the starter motor and on the leads is only made for 10 second bursts, so if you burn ya leads you will need to keep usin Ether because will end up slow starting speeds. As you said its all to do with heat on top of the pistons through compression , if they have being stood a long time , or being stood in sub zero temperatures the compression is going to be low . Long periods of storage , everything will have contracted and oil presence will have disappeared , sub zero temperatures same again .
Every engine I have rebuilt has needed Ether till its warmed and the compression rises.
Spot on 👌🏼
I modified all my drotts with heater plugs that took full battery voltage , not five volts after a resistor. Never had to use easy start again on those machines.. Will start fine in cold weather. Years ago when I worked on plant, an old B100 on a cold morning would not start. twin oil bath cleaners. Dropped off one bowl and used a burning rag on a stick. Started ok, but then noticed the paint on the second oil bath bowl starting to bubble ! the oil had caught fire . oops.
As you'd expect with decent heaters 👍
Good video mate here in Australia one of the ether products is called start ya bastard works bloody good 👍
Y' got real nice overalls the first one I've seen is a claas and now it's JCB
If I have to use it. I use it sparingly. A little mist. Some think it requires half the can....
A diesel is not a human being?? Does that mean I’ve wasted my time talking to my 7.3 Powerstroke all these years? We actually had a close relationship and understood each other. Noe I’m devastated.
7.3's can communicate at a base level with humans.
Lord muck you beat me to it with ZIP TIES N BIAS PLIES that boy is never right
He's not the fool he makes out to be. He's a clever fucker 👌🏼
@@LordMuck and absolutely hilarious 🤣
Very good and very true everything you've just said is 100 percent correct. And i admire someone who tells something as it is.. fair play keep up the good content 👍
If really cold in middle of field with no Easy Start a burning rag on stick by the intake.
But I'm talking 50 years ago 😉
That's exactly right. The old D8 and D9 drivers would do that 👌🏼
I do it on my 3000 when it's too cold to start never fails
problem isnt the ether... its the Operator. The addicted to ether BS is spouted by people who have NEVER owned a diesel and Have never disassembled an engine of any type and dont know how they work.
You've earned my likes and subscription, love your sense of humor. The guy from Vice Grip Garage does things specifically to irk the Safety Sams and super-mechanics it's hilarious. You know about the Diesel engine, your knowledge is 100% correct, they have done awful things to the simplest, most reliable engine though; they computerized farm equipment and vehicles so that only company service personell are able to make repairs. It's awful.
I can't possibly comment on the myths that surround ether so I won't.
However, there are some occasions where only the term "Bollocks" will do!
A great vid Mucker, thanks.
Is ether also known as Wynns "Start Ya Bastard" in Australia? 😁😁
It’s all second hand info well it’s a load of bollocks 😂😂😂 your so funny I really do enjoy watching your videos
Awesome explanation Mr Muck it’s been explained to me a few years back but this is by far A1
Love the video, great explanation, brilliant use of various monkey / detonation pictures 🤣🤣🤣
Sounds like a lot of people need to go hunt out a copy of Diesel Mechanics by Erich Schultz 😂
My tractors are addicted to diesel any advice 🤣
Hammer two of the injector lines flat... 😉
Haha 👍🏻
Think you need to put the bunny on all ya videos people must be getting “addicted “ to it judging by the amount of comments to that one .👍
Brilliant 👌
Rookie here... So before the heavy mob attack, it literally is a question.
I was about to use easy start and a neighbour said it strips the oil lubricant off the piston walls as it's solvent based,..... How true is this?
Confident already just hearing this guy, matter of fact with NO scaremongering bollocks....
Tell your neighbour to fuck off and go lay down somewhere safe.
If you just need to get an engine started, you'll be fine. If it needs ether every time then you've an underlying issue.
I have been a farmer since I was five and have ran a tractor since I was five and I know for a fact it takes more than a squirt to burn the heads of the injector some people are not so smart
My old dad used to take the bottom of the air clear light a bit of paper feed bag and put it under while I turned it over worked ok as long as the hole thing didn't go up in flames think fixing the heater plugs would have been better
A rebuild in a can omg that has got me in tears 😂😂😂
One of the best explanations in farmer language you truly understand the job. We'll done... Ex diesel fuel injection engineer and hgv mechanic. 👍👍👍👍Could not have explained it better.. I know the frustration of dealing with Muppets. ☺☺
Kurt a lot of people talk a load of bull shit 🤣 i think your videos r great keep up the good work mate 👍👍👍
i have worked on diesel engines and have heard that myth and everyone told me about them being addicted and i told them its the biggest load of bollocks i have ever heard
Our T20 used to need a squirt of easy start, but its fine now without it, I think the whole addicted thing is really if you use ether every time you start it. For example a friend used to have a 4 cylinder diesel 35 that would never start without it, after a couple years of constant use.
The 4 cylinder 35 was a pig to start when new I used to see my dads friend tow start a 4 cylinder one
That will be the Standard engine then !! 😂
@@LordMuck The joys of cold Somerset and presumably slack timing chains...
There used to be a man in Newtown mid wales called Malcolm Davies who had a small agricultural engineering business I think he sold universal tractors who used to specialise in mf 35 4 cyls he used to modify the cylinder head and change the pistons which made them start and run smoother I only ever met him once he came over has a very knowledgable but very eccentric man
A common sense video Muck well done
My JCB 526s doesn’t have heater plugs, starts on the key even in the coldest winter, I wish it wouldn’t start some times I could buy some ether, love the smell of it! Am I addicted?😂
People who say engines get adicted to easy start just want something to moan about there cant be enough things in this world to moan about and i like the picture you put of something has changed had a good laugh
Finally someone who knows the facts and doesn’t just take people’s word for it 👍
Some operators need ether to get started
Well explained Sir, but got a little afraid of you in the middle:):)
I had someone there who thinks it's funny to wind me up.
Well, it is...😂
@@LordMuck Ah yes, I love a good rant:)
Most of the poor starting machines I get called to is caused by poor fuel, water in the fuel because the trap is not drained at least once a week. And machines filled up from dirty cans or drums. I modified all the heaters on my I H Drotts. No starting issues any more
Educational, to the point and hilarious as ever. Well done Sir.
Great comedy made me laugh like buggery. have to say iv never heard of a 4 cylinder junkie. some people have some strange ideas, maybe that's why they don't stop to think if they're having problems there is some thing wrong. keep up the good work.
Perkins used Ki gas on many of their engines. It is a squirt of diesel on a glow plug on the intake manifold. highly affective starting aid
Thanks Kurt great vid mate..
We call that stuff "Start you Barstard"! David Browns have a little sponge in the inlet manifold, but never used it.. Good video as always..!
Ha ha,Ive heard of that stuff.If that dont work use For f87k sake c'mon
Brilliant video Kurt 👍 loved the humour to get the point across 😂 or did it succeed 🤔😂😂
I think the actual person spraying the ether, gets addicted to spraying it up their nose 👃 not the engine 😋?
Yes it's certainly not the engine that gets addicted.
Best advice ever...thank you
Great explanation. I'm a or was a farm boy in the states. Grew up in Minnesota and on mornings when the wind chill is -30 F. WE HAD TO USE ETHER. Or light a fire under the engine to warm it up. And I don't think my father would have agreed to that going on under a $80000 tractor and cattle needing to be fed.
Any way, we had ether attached to the engine on some or a can of it in the tool box. And if used properly and can of ether would last forever because like you said. It just needs a couple of squirts and you're good to go. Great vids. Really like how you make those old girls purr again.
Spot on 👍
I drove a boat with a Detroit 8/71 twin turbo and even in the Australian summer it would not cold start without ether but it had ether induction ports under the blower from factory so if it was addicted it was from birth and it's Muma must have been an ether junkie.
An old diesel engine often needs an extra push when it has been standing for a long time.
There is nothing strange about that.
However, I know that many people think it is completely wrong to use ether.
Easy start addiction...I give up.!!!
Total and absolute utter bollocks.
Only my opinion onviously. 🤔
Exactly
Even slave lake isn’t addicted to ether
Top video ! Loving the rant :) clear and simple too ! Heard it many times about the “addiction to ether” and knock knock bang when muppets use half a can !!
Keep up the good work !
Brilliant really brilliant well done.
Really well explained. Had the heater out of my fordson dexta last year and I never knew it was an actual flame
Good video, love it, and the monkeys......🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You are absolutely right mate. I bought a Nuffield 465 that had sat for 6 years, Changed all the oils fixed all the brakes and gaskets. Used a bit of ether (aerostart in Australia where I am) to wake her up and off she went. Next day started on the button no ether at all. See people, they don’t get addicted, it’s only to help if you’re finding it hard to start it.
Whatever you do don’t give it any crystal meth!
Detonated a 7.3 powerstroke that randomly stopped running couldn't find an issue fuel pump was running just wouldn't fuel injectors were clicking... randomly got air in it despite having a full tank ethered the piss out of her glow plugs decided to turn on and yeah my air filter ended up in the road on firing and I had to get a new air intake and filter..... 50k miles later still running no idea what happened... changed where I bought fuel and never had a problem agian so you tell me
So fuel rather than an engine issue.
All's good 👌🏼
@@LordMuck yep just started mis firing 1 cylinder at a time and I'd say we spent 2 fairly new 31p battery's to the grave trying to bring it back to life ... left me on the interstate 4 times until I got all the fuel out of it just had to get out hit the fuel pressure testing port to pet the "air/whatever the fuck was in that fuel" out and it eventually came back to normal. I gotta say tho testimate to the powerstrokes rods she detonated hard
no problems to use ether if using right. just like you explaining.
I've been a heavy duty mechanic for 20 years and I've use ether many times for various reasons. An engine does not get addicted to ether. If you need ether above freezing. The engine has low compression. It either needs a valve set or a rebuild.
Spot on 👍
well said your lordship !!!!
Good video good info. Here in the southern US addition to starting fluid is what we refer to some old tractor or logging equipment that had the problems you referred to but some guy didn't know how or want to spend the money to fix so after years of dry starting and wearing out the cylinder walls wouldn't have good compression to ignite fuel air mix and wouldn't start with out starting fluid keep the information coming
Well said that's always bugged me 👍🏼
So what about engines with glow plugs... Will it pre ignite even with a few squirt or is it fine
If you have functioning glow plugs and the engine is in good order you won't need ether. If it's sacked out and your glow plugs don't work it won't matter.
If you happened to use a couple of squirts combined with the glow plugs it won't do much either way despite the horror stories.
Early 2000s Cummins in the 9400 international s still could come with either injection for starting.
Keyboard mechanics consider yourselves told!
A very good lesson about the use of ether!
I ate kettle corn popcorn once and I have been addicted after just one time....
Is it that good ?
Brilliant video 👍
I am a diesel engineer working on railway locomotives, I would never use easy start on any engine, unless I have to
Exactly.
Unless you have to 👍
Great honest knowledgeable video 👍👌
I never understood how that wives tale got started. Its a machine, its not alive, how can it get addicted to anything. Some people just shouldn't be allowed to have it though. Ive seen tractors at auctions in that past that had manifold heaters in them and the manifolds have been blown almost clean off the side of the engine. You know what happened there. Seen a few IH 560's and 706's with glow plug engines that had broken cranks and cracked heads, you probably know what happened there to. lol
You have to wonder what they are thinking at times !
Oliver66FarmBoy idiots
Ive had 2 engines that i had to use eather on every cold start but that was due to an engine issue that was not a cost effective repair. Ive been on the tools for years and have had enough of hearing this 🐂💩 about addiction.
Exactly as you say - it had an issue that required repair, not an 'addiction'
@@LordMuck in my instance both engines were going in the shredder as the faults were terminal and it was to get me by for a few months so not worth spending on them one had been hydrauliced and the other had a bad score on a non lined bore but people are too lazy to diagnose the issue and just blame eather.
If you're scrapping them then if a bit of ether keeps them going then every day is a bonus 👌🏼
OMG this Comment Section is pure GOLD for an swear word enthusiast like me!! love it. As english is not my first Language , I find it very entertaining whats user to express standpoints here.
- "First Muppet "( Best nickname for Prime Minister /Chanceller ever)
- "cant be arsed to fix the problem" (got great use for that!)
- "starting fluid is a diagnostic tool, not a permanent solution" (amen brother)
- "going miles offshore with a knackered engine and a can of ether..." (Sounds like a Stephen King Plot)
That was a good video. I totally agree with everything u said.
I knew an old international that, on a frosty day. Just needed a little puff to get going. But the rest of the year it would happily go to work without any help.
But I've seen people stand there, and wind half a can in, with the resulting bang and clouds of black smoke. It's so obvious there is something els wrong. Some will continue this procedure for years, then when it's totally ruined. Will say. Well it was always a bad starter.
Great video 👍🏼 well said and hopefully just hopefully people would of learnt from this
My 2 pence worth, he’s dead right if your always needing ether that lump of steel doesn’t need rehab it’s needs looking at. The only heat without heaters comes from compressing the gas in the cylinders as pressure and temperature are directly proportional (gay Lussacs law) you could turn it over all day in the cold and take two years off your starter or give it a sniff. You decide
lol, great vid!
I only came across 1 engine that took a prolonged shot of ether, it was a worn out, clapped out 15 liter in a semi (lori). It wouldn't cold start without it, and I would stand there another minute holding the go pedal, till it could idle. I was one of the only people that could start it on really cold mornings, and I got it to start every time....
I just woke up a lawn mower, that had been inoperable for months, with some (made sure to use small shots to get it to start, and stay running long enough to clear the carb)...
I've driven semi trucks (lori's), with ether buttons....
Lorrys.... 😉 or artics (articulated tractor units)