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  • Part 9 is HERE: • EEVblog #244 - How To ...
    Part 10 of the PSU Design series, and Part 2 of the PCB Layout, this time, editing the changes from REV A to REV B and pushing the changes through to the PCB and doing a revised layout. Time lase is x20 speed.
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  • @bitrot42
    @bitrot42 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great video. I always wondered if I was doing something wrong when updating an existing PCB layout... Now I know it just plain takes time to do the job. Thanks!

  • @TOinaeraser
    @TOinaeraser 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I find it funny that so many people are saying SMT would be sooo much better. Dave made a very conscious choice to use through hole components, and while many hobbyists are able to able to solder them (including myself) it is not something that everyone wants to do. Using through hole also makes it much easier to test your finished boards without building in test points or stuff like that. All in all it doesn't impact the finished board too much, as everything fits and it is feature full.

  • @pyroesp
    @pyroesp 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video, as always !

  • @NickBR57
    @NickBR57 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All these years later I have found this superb series of videos. Thanks Dave for a fantastic insight into the design and refinement process.
    A long shot, but is it possible to get hold of a pcb for this design at this distance in time? Would love to build it!

    • @magnuswootton6181
      @magnuswootton6181 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you have to buy it as a finished product, nice souveniere definitely.

  • @akompsupport
    @akompsupport 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    These videos are amazing!

  • @TOinaeraser
    @TOinaeraser 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    As to the autorouter, I find it very enjoyable to route manually, and while the autorouter can do a good job, it is usually only in specific situations. For a board like this, with many power and ground considerations, the autorouter could only be used for a few traces, so it ends up easier to just do it manually. Plus all the time setting up the autorouter would rid any advantage.

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes, I used to use tap on clear film and had to physically "rip-up"

  • @oBsRVr666
    @oBsRVr666 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @TheEPROM9
    The board is Arduino compatible, hence it is programmed in the Arduino language, which is a simplyfied C language.

  • @shmore
    @shmore 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love these videos

  • @MrStemkilla
    @MrStemkilla 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    cool i would have gone with a bigger board but you did it fine how it is. really cool to see how this all works

  • @insonicbloom
    @insonicbloom 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @kiyotewolf perhaps Dave should go back and edit the last one so you do like it? what did you hope to accomplish by informing him of that

  • @kennethandrysiak4130
    @kennethandrysiak4130 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Like your channel. With all of your discrete pull up resistors… why did you not go to SIP for those? Cost? That would have freed up some space (noting that that kills off your suggestion in the first video of how you can run traces under the resistor bodies). I’ll have to look at your finished Rev B to see just how many traces are actual run under the resistors. That may put to bed my idea. 😊

  • @gbowne1
    @gbowne1 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was thinking you might need a teeny little bit bigger board. I've used my Altium in DSP design for RF. I basically totally redesigned a 1980's era radio.

  • @ornotermes
    @ornotermes 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @soclt That might be, but if one need to save space while trying to avoid SMD I think they're still worth looking at.

  • @METALsyndr0me
    @METALsyndr0me 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is so cool.

  • @lodevijk
    @lodevijk 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @somebody301 This is an open design, meant for everyone to use. Not everyone can solder SMD.

  • @insonicbloom
    @insonicbloom 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @gbowne1 the board is that size because he has a specific case in mind. I don't think he just threw together a random board size, there was thought that went into it!

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Usually not, not high enough freq components.

  • @oBsRVr666
    @oBsRVr666 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @lodevijk I guess you're right. "Selective" vertical mounting might save some space indeed. Why didn't I think about this, when I commented on your comment. :)

  • @o0Adun0o
    @o0Adun0o 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why didn´t You use a Top GND Polygon?

  • @oBsRVr666
    @oBsRVr666 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @somebody301
    He wants to sell this as a basic kit. He specifically decided for THT components only, to make soldering the kit as easy as possible. (Aiming at beginners, etc).

  • @jasonstraurss6974
    @jasonstraurss6974 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    hay dave, thanks for the awesome video's! just want to ask where you learnt how to read and design pcbs?

    • @cbgadget100
      @cbgadget100 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jason Straurss a combination of his engineering degree and tinkering around

    • @jasonstraurss6974
      @jasonstraurss6974 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      haha just need a degree then, damn, thanks Corey

    • @cbgadget100
      @cbgadget100 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jason Straurss not at all!! Keep watching these sorts of TH-cam videos, tinker around yourself, trial and error and you'll get there

  • @MacGuffin1
    @MacGuffin1 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @m4ge123 Looks perfect... Thankyou :D

  • @IIGrayfoxII
    @IIGrayfoxII 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you want to design?
    I use a program called Pad2Pad.
    It is kinda easy to learn and use.
    Another is PCB express but this has issues on printing.

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @KiloSierraAlpha Nope! I always manually route.

  • @oBsRVr666
    @oBsRVr666 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @MrStemkilla
    The case of the box the PSU will be mounted in dictates the shape of his PCB.
    You could always use a bigger box, eh? :)

  • @kildas
    @kildas 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think You can make this design easier by using SMD parts. The biggest SMD components are fairly easy to solder even for hobbyst. SOTx packages arent that bad either.

  • @oBsRVr666
    @oBsRVr666 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @gbowne1
    The shape of the PCB follows the inside of a certain project box Dave decided to use.
    I assume he can't make it any bigger than that.

  • @lodevijk
    @lodevijk 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @oBsRVr666 I know that, but the thing is that all of the resistors on that board are horizontally mounted. If it were me, I'd have no qualms to mount some of them in a different way to save space.

  • @brianmcenulty
    @brianmcenulty 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @AxelWiresmith Eagle (by CadSoft) works great

  • @ChenxiangHsu
    @ChenxiangHsu 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey, Dave. Have you fixed the DAC 's problem since Part 8 ? I am just so eager that how you to solve a problem .

  • @mrcampbell7674
    @mrcampbell7674 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would you ever just re-do the layout from scratch vs trying to edit an existing layout?

  • @spunts144
    @spunts144 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really want to buy one of your portable microPSU's D:

  • @friedmule5403
    @friedmule5403 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    EEVblog would a 4 layer board not have made it simpler? I know it may cost more but placing signal, ground, power and signal?

  • @music99matt
    @music99matt 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    isn't it bad to have a track going over so many vias? (R1 through R10) Or if they are completely surrounded it's ok? what about R35-R45?

  • @Polished_Perspective
    @Polished_Perspective 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I assume you are going to be selling these in EEVblog shop. Do you know what price tag will go on it?

  • @nikolaradakovic5050
    @nikolaradakovic5050 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dear Dave,
    Regarding high speed design rules, every chip manufacturer has it's own rules of thumb for high speed PCB design. Is there any reference manual or book comprising all the rules generally used in high speed PCB design?

    • @krokodyl1220
      @krokodyl1220 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Nikola Radakovic I highly recommend "High Speed Digital Design: A Handbook of Black Magic"

  • @RandyLott
    @RandyLott 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are there specific guidelines that need to be taken for routing SPI, i2c, or UART lines?

    • @manojkumarsubramaniam7991
      @manojkumarsubramaniam7991 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      just make sure you have a grounds down them. they are not very high frequency but due to fast transition they have some high freq component. Will save our ass from issue like cross talks and noise

  • @lazerusmfh
    @lazerusmfh 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @kikilosabeyno This will be a kit that you assemble, so no SMD for ease of soldering.

  • @lodevijk
    @lodevijk 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    If I were to do one thing to save some space here it would be to mount the resistors vertically, so that they don't take up a centimeter of space.

  • @lazerusmfh
    @lazerusmfh 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Nickafyit in this sense, a VIA means a Drill hole, that is plated through, or in other words, it joins a connection from the top layer to the bottom layer, so you can run a trace on both the bottom, and the top, and connect them.

  • @ornotermes
    @ornotermes 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    One way to save space could be to replace R46 - R53 with a SIL resistor.

  • @mm5032
    @mm5032 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this going to be in your store

  • @lazerusmfh
    @lazerusmfh 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @kildas While true, people still complain. and it is a lot easier to mess up a hand soldered SMD board, when you have a lot of components.

  • @oBsRVr666
    @oBsRVr666 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @lodevijk
    Could be hard to run as many tracks underneath a vertically mounted resitor ...
    Just saying.

  • @insonicbloom
    @insonicbloom 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @heroineworshipper why on earth would you think not having a schematic done first is a good idea?

  • @praveshvats432
    @praveshvats432 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why I can't download this video using IDM ?

  • @nikolaradakovic5050
    @nikolaradakovic5050 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks krokodyl

  • @BarsMonster
    @BarsMonster 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Apparently you don't like to use SMD jumpers to simplify 2-sided routing... :-D

  • @PD2DXN
    @PD2DXN 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I download the pcb design somewhere?

  • @szymz19
    @szymz19 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi there,
    I'm looking for an idea for pcb. I want to design something complicated and big like A4 sheet size. RF is not an option so PC mainboard is out of consideration.
    Do you have some idea what could that be?

    • @knodelcrafter6888
      @knodelcrafter6888 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      szymz19 Then you have to do a big and complicated project and integrate everything on one board... Maybe you want to make an automated car and integrate the power supply the servo drivers maybe camera headers for computer vision controllers sensors with servos (like a lidar)... maybe you can think of more... RC won’t be a problem after you managed such a large thing! Just look around the internet for other projects and integrate everything that could remotely fit 😂

  • @michelfeinstein
    @michelfeinstein 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Dave, why did you use a resonator instead of a crystal?
    and why AVR, since you rather PICs?
    Thanks for the video!

  • @ashleyhughes398
    @ashleyhughes398 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hmm I struggle at routing a board with quarter of the parts. Your doing this like a machine

  • @ILoveCiniminis
    @ILoveCiniminis 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would realy appreciate if ucould make some computer hardware tutorials split to many parts for newbies and step by step u could go with them to more advanced tutorials. Also your videos are still super cool, Thanks 8}

  • @insonicbloom
    @insonicbloom 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @kiyotewolf it's a public comment section, therefore it's anyones business, if you want privacy I suggest you contact him via email otherwise whatever anyone says is open to everyone

  • @chair547
    @chair547 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    honestly for simple boards i usually just redo them

  • @TurboHawkV6
    @TurboHawkV6 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    E'ryday I'm shufflin'

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Girl look at that schematic... Girl look at that schematic... I layout...

  • @mattsyme87
    @mattsyme87 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @KiloSierraAlpha Dave doesn't like auto layout.

  • @oBsRVr666
    @oBsRVr666 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @heroineworshipper
    Seriously? Try working on a very complex design that way (without a schematic).
    You will most likely mess up something.
    You will also lose a big bunch of benefits that way. Like cross checking between schematic and PCB. Labourintensive work, imo. Back to the 1970. :P

  • @mm5032
    @mm5032 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @eevblog

  • @SjoerdBeukers
    @SjoerdBeukers 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice patypus

  • @cimmerian100
    @cimmerian100 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    meow 14:05

  • @md.mostafakhan4529
    @md.mostafakhan4529 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Football...

  • @TOinaeraser
    @TOinaeraser 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    One more thing. The other major critism with this project is Dave's choice of Altium Designer. I'm going to start a religious war here and straight up say: Eagle is a piece of shit. Having used both, Altium, while still a royal pain in the ass, is not nearly as annoying as Eagle. Plus Dave has used Altium seriously for years, so there is no compelling reason for him to use a new package for one project. Open source hardware or not. /Endrant

  • @BersekViking
    @BersekViking 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Boring...