We do, laws across the country and the globe have changed. However, her mental illness and the place where she lives likely played a role in the decisions regarding what punishments or strategies were pursued going forward.
I feel so sorry for Sarra’s sister. Her mom was murdered, her sister is the one who did it, she has no family, she is left with traumatized children and her other sister was murdered by a serial killer. What a nightmare.
So, I wonder what they were implying about the other sister. What if she was the serial killer all along? Maybe she tried to stop killing and the dog was her losing control again...then she targetted her mom. What if her mom was her last victim of many?
I swear when an animal is killed by a person that person will soon kill a human animal cruelty is just a hint that they fin do something more gruesome rip the grandmother 😢
Talking about a growing list of ACTUAL red flags; mental instability, slowly loosing touch with reality, animal cruelty. If someone presents multiple signs there should be a mandatory 51/50, Baker, or whatever act for assessment and treatment. Depending on severity, random meetings to ensure adherence to the program. It might seem extreme, but records show that people with mental health issues DO NOT stick to a program. They get level and think, "I feel better I don't need the medication", and thus the cycle repeats.
These videos are SO well made! - No distracting music - No dramatization - Very well edited - minimal voiceover/captions that precisely highlight important clues - explains crucial info i.e. interrogation techniques or background info Thank you
No, she´s not actually evil... she propably just repeated what the voices told her to say... like you can clearly see when she was saying "im evil" there was no connection to the situation, like "The lights are on - but there is no one home" (in her head) she wasnt aware of anything, nor the things she was saying, thats illness and not someone being intentionally "evil"
@@legitscoper3259 she was deemed competent to stand trial, effectively confirming they didn’t support the psychiatric diagnosis of schizophrenia. Many psychopaths try to mimic specific mental illnesses to lessen the sentence they receive.
My baby sister was diagnosed with schizophrenia, maybe two years back and I tell you from experience that it is the scariest thing that can ever happen to you. I believe that it is on the level of dementia and Alzheimer’s. Not making an excuse for the woman in the video but when they come up with a scenario in their head, they truly 100% will believe in the scenario and there’s nothing anyone can say to make them think otherwise. My baby sister is the sweetest person I know and it makes me cry every time I think about it. I just pray every day that she can get her sanity back and I know that baby who's diapers I used to change not coming back. I cried every day, hoping that one day I would come home and my baby sister would be back to normal. It’s frustrating because in this country is no real help for people that is dealing with mental health issues. Only jail after committing a crime that could have been easily avoidable if they had gotten the help that they needed sooner. I fight for my sister everyday and will never let her mind slip in a dangerous zone because it can easily happen. Please help your family that is going through a similar situation. Its not easy but it will save so many families.
My sister is also schizophrenic and she attacked my mom, luckily the outcome was way less horrific. my sister is still in rehabilitation 8 years later. but my mother loved her and advocated for her mental health before she passed from health issues a few ago. as much this might seem horrible and heartless, people with schizophrenia are still human, they are just so mentally unwell they think that what they hear is real. in Canada there is help, thankfully. though she will never be my little sister. I hope your sister can find some help, stay strong there is hope
@@cynthiamateo9450I think we’ll see even higher rates of schizophrenia as people have children later in life. Older mothers and older fathers is one risk factor. Trauma is another big one.
@Aquareyesgames I have to disagree here. That cop saying "it's ok" repeatedly isn't helping. It's NOT ok. They just found out they lost their grandmother. It's ok to not be ok sometimes. And parents shouldn't be made to feel as if showing emotions in front of children isn't ok. It's human to do so.
@@lindseyyoung9149 they all look under 8 years old…no one’s saying they can’t show emotion, but they are not able to comprehend what is going on. The cop did what she could, she’s trying not to cause panic. Kids see caregivers panic and they panic. It’s already traumatizing for them, poor babies 💔
@Aquareyesgames She should have kept her mouth shut and let the MOM of the children handle it. You really think her meaningless words and quick pat on the shoulder did something for that kid??
My mother killed my cat in front of me when I was a kid among many other things and I'm still extremely traumatized from that. I rescue animals to an extreme from it.
One time my dog killed my kitten. I was screaming and my mom came out on the back porch yelling at me for being an annoyance. She told me dad would take care of it when he got home and went back inside slamming the door. I kept crying and went upstairs to my room. My much older sister who was 12 years older than me was listening to music. She yelled at me to shut up and kept listening to music. I repressed all of that until I was in my middle 20s. It came back with a vengeance. I felt the pain I hid away for all those years. Sorry you went through that
I work in a Psych Crisis unit. This is my life. She is extremely ill. This wasn't an act. This is really what some people live with in their heads. It's horrible
@@NathanBee3proper is the key. She gets on meds does fine but without them she kills people and animals. So why isn’t she being monitored since they know she routinely stopped taking her meds. Someone needs to be held responsible. Why isn’t someone checking her levels weekly or biweekly? They do for suboxone but not for psych meds Let’s keep a check on people who might use and not people who might kill again. Nice!!!
My husband accidentally ran over our cat 2 years ago and he was howling and screaming and crying profusely over it...... he still tells me that it haunts him often and sometimes he brings it up with tears in his eyes ralking about missing his Bubba 😢 i cannot imagine being the kind of person to drown an animal or hurt an animal of any kind in any calibur.. i hear even slaughterhouse workers get ptsd from their job and they usually rotate employees every 3 to 4 months bc its a hard job to do.............. I dont know why im relating all this information anymore.... this made me sick to my stomach and im in a state of slight shock 😲
@alanalycan3986 It's super common for families who are dealing with an adult with severe mental illness. People really don't want to get involved or deal with the madness.
@@alanalycan3986 could have something to do with their sisters murder being the thing that made that family so known to begin with. I live in NY and i hear of Shannan Gilbert SO often. That can't be easy on the family.
I think the mother felt guilty for what happened to her eldest daughter so she was trying to overcompensate for her mentally unstable daughter. Unfortunately, it cost her life.
@@laikanbarththis isn't the mother's fault. It's the doctors that deemed her mentally fit and the judge who released her. Her mother shouldn't even have had the ability to let her be anywhere. She should have been committed by the state.
@int0thedepths 100% agree with you. Makes me think if she did try and reach out, but just didn't follow through. It's crazy how the mind can overpower your thoughts and contribute to something horrific. Those words are for sure going to haunt her for the rest of her life. Very, very sad.
I felt like puking when I heard the mom talking about how she would be there for her daughter forever and how much she loves her. That poor lady. This is one of the most chilling true crime videos I have ever watched it all my years of viewing.
i don’t understand why now a days people can’t go to jail for a longer time for killing an animal. especially the way she did it, and admitted to it. AND A KID WITNESS WHAT SHE DID. and how it’s a known fact people who kill people have killed animals in their past… why are they just letting these people back into society i really don’t understand it.
I saw a show that detailed the case about her sister that died. They were interviewing the mom throughout the show. Closing out the show they disclosed that the mom was killed by her daughter shortly after filming. I was blown away as im watching this video and they reveal this is the sister and mother of that same girl.
Yeah this one blew my damn mind. Watched a video about the Long Island serial killer, had no clue the investigation was in relation to this woman’s sister. Crazy thing as well, the house where she killed her mom is located 30 minutes away from me. Never heard about this story until watching this video. Crazy.
@@iGotSumn2Say she's mental.. the mother saying she loved her after she tortured a dog was creepy.. l believe in humans before animals, but you don't hav to torture them.. like the yulin festival.. that is the worst! this freak show should nvr see daylight again.. why didnt they force ger to take her meds after the dog.. mom might still be alive now..
When asked what she did to the dog, she said, "You know what you did." Then she apologized and said she knew the cop didn't do it. It was like two people in one body having an argument. Spooky. 🥶
She’s a joke 🥱 she was playing crazy of course … but she was able to get mad at her mother for not getting her out of jail the proper way at first or whatever 🤔 … if she was truly crazy then she probably wouldn’t have been able to control her emotions when her mom made a mistake… she knew what was going on that’s why she got mad
@Blankityblankityblank-jh2mj she drowned a dog because she had to. She isnt scared, she is who people should be scared of. Hence why her mother is dead.
I’ve only ever screamed like that once. And it was after hearing my baby brother shot himself. I’ve never processed pain or emotions the same since then
18:15 The way she walked into the kitchen, nonchalantly smoking a cigarette like a friend just arrived, and immediately (and calmly) tells the officer what happened… truly haunting
Honestly it was a real jump scare. If I was that officer I'd have died right there on the doorway! Sadly, that lack of emotion in her voice is a symptom of schizophrenia. Without medication, she just won't be able to demonstrate a "normal" baseline of emotions
I lived next to a woman who had similar problems and she eventually ended up having three kids and her mother has custody of all of them, finally the state stepped in and made her get her tubes tied so she would stop bringing children into the world despite being unfit and incapable of caring for them. That should have been the case here as well.
Because society has taken a "gentle approach" to dealing with mentally ill people. There used to be things called asylums, otherwise known as state hospitals, which housed and treated dangerous but mentally ill people. Then, some individuals got together and felt sad that mentally ill people were locked up in these hospitals and said, "What if we release them all into the communities and let the community help deal with them?" This was called "deinstitutionalization." It's had far reaching consequences that many civil rights / liberal people won't even acknowledge. Instead of working to fix the problems in the asylums, which there were many, they thrust these mentally ill people upon communities that were not even prepared to deal with them.
@@aussiehillbilly yea, something’s not right! Our justice system that constantly releases dangerous people back into the world. Until they KILL SOMEONE.
Sadly, this lady is a prime example of why institutions need to be brought back. Had this women been in a long term facility, stabilized & in a safe place ,none of these incidences wouldve happened. Sadly, people think institutions are bad. They arent. Many people with mental illness are unable to function on their own & pose danger to themselves & others. An instutution allows them to live in a structured place. So sad.
I hate to break it to you but those long term facilities are actually horrible in todays world to their patients with mental illnesses. An institution doesn't allow them to live in a structured place in todays world. It does the opposite. You might want to experience an institution before you comment on this, because the institutions are bad in todays world. I honestly think they were better to their patients in the days of where humans did not know what half of the mental illnesses were.
@@earthdyrad There is lots of evidence that "institutions" that are tailored to the individual with adequate support can help people with mental health illnesses get a better life. There is also plenty of evidence that living at home with sufficient support can help mentally ill people get enough structure to live a fulfilling life
I mean I agree to some extend. But in cases like these, people like Sarra, unfortunately, don't deserve anything. She killed her mother while pleasuring herself. I know it's rooted in psychosis and delusion, but she simply went to far to give her any second chances for anything.
She needs help not prison... Jail nor prison give those with severe mental illnesses the help they really need. Once free, they are worse from when they came in.
@MrGoddlie, there is no help for her. She's a liar and a manipulator. She knew what she did. Don't feel sorry for the "mentally ill" cause they won't feel sorry for you.
Body cam footage = humans at work. Go figure. Dont be an argument for narcissistic abusers saying the general public is too stupid to understand their jobs and stresses and we can't see their body cams. There a enough police chiefs that straight up LAUGH on TV when they say they're not doing a damn thing and end with the saying "one bad apple...." (Ruins the whole bunch)
What those babies saw and went thru. My heart is aching for them. Lost a puppy watching his Mom violently drown it, lost their grandma, witnessed them finding her body, and then lost their Mom.... I pray God keeps a hold of them.
Why did it take the police so long to check Maris body?? It’s bizarre… the second they saw her body on the floor the police should have instantly kicked the door down no questions asked. It took the suspect to suggest she was still alive for someone to finally actually check the victim. This is a massive oversight.
Exactly I was just about to post a comment saying did the cop really need to call his boss to ask permission to kick the door in when you see a bloody body inside 🤦♂️ of course you have permission! She could still be alive!. Also she says she killed her mom and you let her walk into the living room sigh.
Exactly what I said. This was crazy. Complete focus on Sarra and zero on anyone else....they r so bad at their job. Placating Sarra, even to the point they let her remove evidente.
i exactly agree. basically ignoring the dead dog (and the fact she killed it IN FRONT OF HER SON??), letting her go from that with basically no repercussions even after she said she was evil, not supervising her while she went to the bathroom, ugh so many things stupidly done
Thats simple. The us government wants these animals free. They let my sperms donor out and he came directly for me and my mom. Almost killed us too. This monster should be in prison waiting for the locking 13 loop necklace for this
I disagree, at that point in time (when they just discovered a body), they ain't got no time for screaming family members, which will call the attention of the neighbourhood while there is a crime scene with a lots of unknown. @annasegura9754
Some stellar police work on display here 🙄 Someone observes a person on the floor, bloody, and the cops just slowly and calmly continue walking around, eventually call to ask if it's ok to bust the door down, and then ASK PERMISSION to call EMS?!! And even once they get inside, not only do they let the suspect walk out of their sight and take their time restraining her, they don't even bother to go check on the victim until the suspect says she's still alive. What a bunch of incompetent cops. Edit: Holy shit, they let her wash her hands before getting forensic samples??? Oh my God, what a bunch of clowns!
Exactly I was thinking any other place they would of busted in one detaining her & the other checking on the mother & EMS would of been called as soon as they her husband said he's seen her body like what the fluck
They let the family run around outside. They said dumb stuff like, “I understand” and tell the kids, “It’s okay”. No action on what are clear exigent circumstances. No crime scene security. They let Sara walk away after confronting her in the house. She picks up a metal water bottle she could use as a weapon. They take out cuff before they have physical control of Sara. Dumb. Just dumb.
I followed the Gilgo Beach serial killer case for years. Very familar with the Gilbert family. Mari Gilbert fought hard for her daughter Shannon and the other victims. She never got the chance to see her hard work finally pay off.
Yes I follow it too and it was sad to see what really happened here. What a tragic family! Her hard work did pay off, but still not for her daughter....yet!
Now it really makes me wonder about the tape of Shannon saying all of those things that no one has been able to make sense of. It was the recording when she was leaving that house at the end of the night. Very scary! So much tragedy in this family, it’s heart breaking! 😢
Her Mother was a huge reason to why Gilgo Beach Killer got so much media attention. It breaks my heart that she lost one daughter to murder, never knowing they would finally find the serial killer who is currently awaiting trial. And another daughter who murdered her. She was such a strong person. I still can’t believe she was killed… and by her daughter
right, and when mari said to sarra “and remember, nothing you can ever do will ever take my love away from you” just absolutely broke my heart. she was such a sweet woman :(
I find it mind boggling that officers treat evil people like angels, but when they arrest a decent person they treat them so badly they often end up in the hospital.
@@isking1715shes still dangerous to everyone and no amount of medication can fix this. Theres paranoid schizophrenia then there's homicide. People with schizophrenia don't commit suicide unless there's other mental health issues and/or drugs involved. People with schizophrenia doesn't mean they're innocent she killed her mother bro
Reminds me of the Vince Li decapitation case in Canada. Both of these people are textbook insanity defenses. They are extremely sick and take no effort to protect themselves legally. Also, both cases had previous incidents that should have been warning signs to get these people treatment to protect the public. I'm surprised she wasn't found not guilty by defect or insanity like Vince (who is out now). Imagine having to live with that though... There can never be justice :(
The mom didn't have "compassion"; she was emotionally gaslighting her. Seems like I'm the only one who paid attention at 13:42. She didn't deserve to die but what we saw there was neither 'tough love' nor 'compassion'... neither of those things describes what the mom actually did: gushing about how she'll always love and be there for her one second, then yelling in a hateful tone of voice about all the errands she has to do and leaving her in jail for 2 months before she decides she'll bond her out after all.
Yeah, like when she killed the poor puppy and the mum is still saying how much he loves her, instead of telling her what a deplorable thing to do to an innocent animal
Compassion doesn't mean giving a free pass for horrible behavior. In this case, compassion would be to get her into a secure environment and treatment.
@@eloradanan4235 That's fine but people misunderstand me. If the mom was gonna do tough love that's fine. If mom explodes in anger that she'd kill a puppy, that's also fine. If mom gets her committed to a hospital that's fine, if mom thinks she needs to go to jail, that's also fine by me. Killing the puppy was all kinds of messed up. But what mom actually does is this: a big over the top love bomb in public, then in private a week later gets an incredibly venonmous nasty tone of voice and shouts that it's too much of a bother to help her. (because she has to "pick up the girls" and "get some paperwork", it seems). And she leaves her there for two months before bailing her out. Bail was $10,000 which sounds like a lot but that's only $1000 to the bail bondsman, and they allow you to pay in installments so it's probably more like $150 or something. Again if the mom was just going to leave her there because she thought that was best, that's fine, but from all we heard she sounds like an emotionally abusive person to me.
The family had already born a lot of trauma with Shannan's disappearance. I can understand how Mari had a complex relationship with Sarra and didn't want to push her away. There may have been preexisting issues in the family that made Shannan vulnerable to drugs and sex work (she also had unmanaged bipolar). It's really important to care for family members with schizophrenia/bipolar and not let them fall out of being medicated or in psych care
Mari GIlbert was also an advocate for murder victims as her other daughter Shannan is believed to be a victim of the Gilgo Beach serial killings, the discovery of her body lead to the discovery of other victims in the area. Mari's story is unbelievably tragic, I hope she is resting in peace with Shannan.
@ No, Rex Heuerman was arrested and charged for some of the Gilgo Beach victims earlier this year. I think the likelihood is that he’s responsible, but it’s never been proven who murdered her unfortunately.
Elroy sobbing started getting to me. But once Sherre began crying so loudly and then those poor kids, that was it for me. I started crying like a baby. I'm so terribly sorry that this happened.
Officer Gonzales is an idiot. She let her wash her hands. Then when explaining that her underwear had blood she leaves out what sarra told her. Why would you not tell the sergeant that sarra said she had her pants off while stabbing her. Instead she just tells her hey she has bloody underwear and when they ask her why she says " i dont know, i feel like she didnt have clothes on" even though the lady just told her exactly why they were bloody. She was frustrating to watch.
This is why mental institutions need to be opened again. There are people that are a danger to themselves and others. Tragic events like this could be prevented
Who’s going to run these places and manage the people who require sometimes little to no care to people who require 15 minutes check ins 24/7, medication administration , therapy , feeding, bathing. That all costs money and for many people having to deal with patients daily a hourly rate of $30/ hour doesn’t cut it - that’s also assuming if they’re all properly trained and are good at their job
@@michelperez4100we did it for decades. I agree bring them back. Unless you have a better solution for the problem, institutions are the most humane way of dealing with them unfortunately.
@@michelperez4100behavioral health units, mental health facilities, rehabs, prisons/ jails. They all have people who require far different levels of care. That is not the issue.
This video made me so angry….. it literally breaks my heart thinking of what her poor mother went through and that poor dog AND her son was right there while she drowned his dog like wtf is wrong with people?!!!!! She should’ve never had any kids!
I find myself being angry that anybody would leave her alone with a child or an animal let alone GIVE her an animal like come on they all had to know she was sick af!
It is so hard to understand without living it. The love but also the willingness to overlook I see in my mother cursed with two schizophrenic/drug addicted children is astonishing. Mental illness is such a curse and made her and sometimes my life hell. It's difficult not to 'harden the heart' towards them for the utter void of any positive quality of life they've provided her. I've found my limit of what I'm willing to tolerate and I also hope my mother does before she pays this kind of price for it.
Just as an fyi, schizophrenics very often have excessive thirst. One of the concerns with schizophrenics is that they dilute the electrolytes in their bodies bc they drink so much water. The flat affect (they described it as "robotic) is also very typical. Our mental health system is broken, she should have never been able to go back home that unstable.
There's no "getting better" for people like Sarra. They literally don't see the world the way normal people do and sometimes it has extreme consequences.
That's not always true. My mom tried to stab my brother. She literally tried to sell my nieces newborn daughter before she said that "God" wanted her too.Just out of the blue. She never exhibited any violence or irrational thinking before those episodes. We had to do a 5150 hold on her. My mom was released with no meds or no future appointments. Not even two weeks later, she went into a local store and attacked the cashier. She told us and the police that her dad told her to do it. My grandfather died almost 7 yrs before that. She was again placed in a mental institution. At that time she wasn't released for 37 days. When she came home, she was diagnosed and was placed on the correct meds. One of those meds was Haloperidol, which Sarra mentioned taking in this video. Mom didn't like how it made her feel so she stopped taking it. Which led to another mental break. Afterwards she was given injections every month instead of daily pills. For 5 yrs she returned to that sweet woman she was before her first breakdown and she remained that way until she died in 2022.
This is a very disturbing comment. What do you mean by "people like Sarra" and "normal people"? Not everyone with schizophrenia kills people, and schizophrenia is very treatable. People with schizophrenia are still people, and there are amazing people with schizophrenia. There are literal astrophysicists with schizophrenia. Calling people without it "normal people" is very stigmatizing and harmful.
There is managing. Sarra should have been on her medication and being supervised on that. She probably needed some hospital visits also. She has schizophrenia
@@King_Koolkaine Yea, people are quick to get so defensive when it’s plainly obvious given the subject matter that you’re specifically speaking about someone who has committed heinous acts PRIOR to even the incident with her own mother. What you said isn’t wrong - there is a very obvious and clear difference between someone like her and someone normal, normal meaning y’know someone (which can be anyone with even a mental disorder) that DOES NOT harm animals so cruelly and then attack their mother. I think people just leap for the moment to be offended to morally grandstand before taking a moment to reread the comment and think about what is actually said.
Psychiatrists would tell you that once a person with schizophrenia starts having religious delirium, claiming to be god, or hearing god, or Satan, you should take it very seriously. Most of the time, they will end up hurting themselves or someone else.
I always wonder why most people suffering from schizophrenia have religious focused delusions, usually Christianity related too. I’m just curious as to what draws the brain towards that specifically
@@vglycorpse2001 Could it be because we are exposed to it everywhere, all the time? Think about it. You don't even need to be Christian...no matter the religion- God is the focus somewhere all the freaking time. Every show, movie, book, even sci-fi books have some relation to a God like character. Pay attention to how many times you are exposed to the "God"-- even atheist! they are so obsessed with not believing in God that every single waking moment they think of God. Its kinda funny if you think about it. But seriously... we are exposed to certain things everyday, many times a day......sex, God, lately freaking politics..gross...and How we are supposed to 'behave'... the worst which tries to take away our individuality. Its something to think about anyway. ;)
@@vglycorpse2001 The biblical god Yahweh is a violent tyrant who orders genocides and sacrifices en masse, contradicts himself constantly, is jealous of other gods and condemns people to hell for not following his rules. I feel that this messes up people who mentally aren't stable really badly or contributes to their mental illness. That said, this also happens with muslims and Allah is very similar to Yahweh. The abrahamic religions are responsible for so much suffering and death.
@@vglycorpse2001. There's different denominations of Christianity and some beliefs can be very scary such as the thought of going to Hell for some wrong doing and then suffering for all eternity. In the middle ages there was a mass panic due to death being around everyone constantly and they believed it was because of sin (the Bubonic Plague as an example rather than being from bacteria) and so there was mass hysteria where large groups would dance nonstop and people died due to dehydration. Even in a healthy mind the thoughts of such a negative afterlife can take a toll. I follow traditional Christianity alongside traditional Buddhism and Stoicism for a more positive outlook rather than the Hell and brimstone that was taught to me at a young age
I’m sorry but children feel deeply, especially since their bond with Mary (grandma) was more nurturing and protective than ‘skitzo’ Sarah. 😢They’ve obviously felt and mourned loss in their family recently. 💐
@@alaincharnier1971 Ok technically yes. That is technically true that we learn how to *act* but that is still symbolic of a feeling in need of expression. There are generally accepted “Universal Emotions” experienced by humans.
Mari hugging Sarra in the station saying nothing will ever make me not love you is really too much. This is the saddest shit I’ve seen in a long time. Prayers for this family and the little guy especially, may he find some normalcy and happiness.
That's what I thought even before they talked about it! "Is she allowing a murder to wash her hands!!!???" And Sarra clearly explained to the same police woman who allowed her to wash her hands why her panties were full of blood, because she had taken her trousers off before she killed her mother to avoid blood on it. And the police woman tells her supervisor she doesn't know why Sarra's panties are full of blood. How can this dumb woman work for the police!?
The way my jaw dropped when you sd her sis was Shannon Gilbert! Wow! I remember that tragedy all too well. Y'all NEVER cease to intrigue us!! Thank y'all. Thoughts going out to all victims involved.
The consequences of havinglittle to no mental health hospitals. This woman was clearly capable of horrific acts after killing the dog she should never of been let out in the community again
That poor family. I remember the story of Shannon Gilbert. It was awful. I had no idea about her other sister's mental health issues and her the poor mother.
@@wastelandwarriorz665fanacc8 You get nothing for drowning dogs in a lot of countries. You're lucky if it is "destruction of property" in some. You even have countries where torturing animals to death is a trend, like China. This has nothing to do with America, but with the social stigmatisation that still prevails in many societies: animals are less than humans.
@@svetlanaisayeva2624 Wrong, it is just something an already mentally ill person latches onto the sound didn't do anything if you removed it she would have latched onto something else. Don't spread misinformation about something like this.
This is how psychosis works, you hear or see something normal, but the crossed wiring of the illness make you interpret it as something else. A mentally healthy person realises that it's a smoke detector, it might still be annoying and stressful, but they are in touch with reality. When you are in a psychotic state, it can mean anything, and whatever meaning it seems to be, seems completely real. It's a very difficult way to live, and can be terrifying.
Seeing a bloody body does not mean she is dead, yet they spend time ASKING to kick the door, and spend time escorting Sarra OUT and no one has yet checked to see if Mari might be BREATHING. That was not acceptable.
i don't disagree that they were VERY slow to look out for the victim - they didn't even check her vitals until crazy said she might still be alive. however, i dont think it mattered in this case 227 stab wounds to the abdomen was definitive
She was cold to the touch meaning she’s been dead for a while. She was gone long before they even got there. Basic research on your part would have explained that.
She was stabbed over 200 times and bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher, her health status was probably obvious… and they need to get confirmation if they should wait on backup or even swat team in some cases before entering.
Such a well made video, thank you for covering this story. As someone who watches a lot of this stuff, my feelings were all over the board on this case.
@@CarlyGayJepsen my mom would have asked if they were irish. We have a lot of tragedy in the blood. And in our own case, I'm 25 and I'm the last adult left standing after covid swept our family. Lost a baby, mom, a set of grand parents, uncles. I'm next in line as breadwinner, my dad had a dui driver give him a TBI when we were little. The irish have something in the blood
@@gilla2092 oh okay sorry for your loss and i hope everything goes well for you in the future, i’m not exactly sure what you mean but it sounds like you’ve been through a lot. Take time for yourself and be gentle with yourself i know it’s easier said than done but don’t let the stress and negativity get to you 🫶🏽
Sarra lost her appeal on her 25 years to life last year. The prosecution believed Sarra plotted to kill her mum as she was the one to call the police for the dog incident & was given temporary custody of her son. Her mental health problems were acknowledged at trial & the appeal however preliminary tests on the M-FAST for malingering were positive. The defence countered a lifetime of abuse, mental illness & repeatedly being let down by the MH system. The jury believed she knew what she was doing & had capacity at the time. A lot of her statements we heard in this video when the police arrived (along with her hiding) were used against her in the belief she had an understanding it was wrong, even down to her asking her family be moved away when she was taken to the car. The Gilbert family have endured an unimaginable amount of tragedy & still have Shannon’s case ongoing. I can’t begin to imagine the trauma & stress.
Exactly right. Dr. Sandra Antoniak was the psychiatrist who assessed Sarra Gilbert and he stated with 97 percent accuracy that Gilbert was malingering, meaning she was intentionally faking or exaggerating psychiatric symptoms for the purpose of being absolved of criminal responsibility. He also testified that Gilbert said when police arrived on the scene, she knew they were going to find [the victim] so she got up, went down the hall, felt that her jogging pants had soaked up too much of the blood, so she shed them, [and] went into the bathroom where she washed her hands and sat in the bathtub,” according to the appeal. The appellate decision said that “Independent evidence also supports the proposition that defendant possessed more than a surface understanding that her conduct was wrong, including that she hid in the bathroom when police initially arrived at the scene, requested that her family be moved away, stated to detectives that she felt bad about her actions, agreed with detectives that stabbing the victim would still have been wrong even if the voices {she said she heard} had ceased thereafter.”
Yes thanks for the update.. I was certain the entire video that should would be found not guilty due to insanity, but after reading the updates in the comments it's apparent that she wanted to convince me (a potential juror) that she's insane when it was really just an act.. I'm someone that's suffered from MH since my military time and I've never used it as an excuse.. I really hate when people do that
@@pondaz3187the phone call at the jail between her episodes was the telling part of her character. She just wants to get out to smoke and do whatever she wants, nothing about seeing her sister or anything. She’s criminally insane. They should start doing 40-to-life instead of 25.
I understand what you're saying but her little children were in the car and getting upset by their mothers reaction. It's a no win situation really, I'd be screaming too.
I understand how it should have been approached differently but really the right thing to do in that situation is to protect your children from hearing screaming and wailing because their grandma is dead. Kids shouldn't have been around that situation, the officers could've asked to bring them to one of their cars away from it all though instead of telling the parent to calm down.
Exactly! The first thing I think about when I hear a poor animal torture, is "violence towards animals leads to violence towards humans," we learned that in elementary school. If someone is torturing a poor puppy, and they have mental illnesses that aren't being properly monitored, changes are high, they will do something fast worse soon. This was so sad and completely avoidable.
The "justice" system is a fkn JOKE! They allowed this monster to be around her child after she drowned a puppy in front of him💔 I hope she can't sleep without seeing her Mother's face & voice.
The cop saying “ it’s ok” to the children- don’t. Don’t send them that message- it’s incongruent and confusing. Nothing about this is ok. Speak truth calmly in child friendly language , children can understand. “ yes this is scary- we’re here with you “ “ hug mommy, mommy is with you”
@@legitscoper3259Few people try to understand schizophrenia. It's a complex diagnosis that's difficult to treat. To the schizophrenic, they are in their right mind. Treatment takes away their experienced thoughts and feelings; many of them hate their symptoms, yet they find they they can't live their lives without the symptoms. Many schizophrenics are some of the most brilliant, creative, and artistic people: Donny Hathaway, John Nash, Syd Barrett, Old Dirty Bastard, Joey Ramone.... Anyone can google a list of m*rderers with schizophrenia.
I dont understand how she was allowed around kids, why she wasnt on medication, and why she wasnt in a facility after killing a dog infront of a child, like this feels all preventable and the system failed miserably
@@freddiefackelmayer5267I know someone with bipolar schizophrenia and I can definitely say that I can believe it’s meth. The difference between a sober and high schizophrenic can literally be so night and day. It’s likely she doesn’t even remember what happened. Poor family.
Her mom bailed her out Of Jail. She never should have done that. Leave dangerous mentally ill people locked up if you are lucky enough to get them locked up.
Broke my heart when the mother went up to Sarra in the station and was giving Sarra validation and love even after what Sarra did… the mother was so patient and understood her daughter was ill and didn’t hold it against her, and in the end it didn’t save her… that’s truly and utterly heartbreaking
Those poor kids will have this engrained into their minds forever. I feel so bad for the trauma and heartache they’ll forever deal with from this situation. Prayers for them
It drove me crazy that no one went to check the mom until she said she was still alive. Like wtf. Aren't cops supposed to do CPR or some sh*t? No one even bothered to go to her.
I'm not just hating on law enforcement officer's here? But the level of policing, the service or lack of, has deteriorated so so much in my lifetime. It's universal it seems, in the west certainly? I'm from the UK, and this is the USA. Alot of officers don't seem to have a good working knowledge of the law and general procedures etc. IMO anyway
She was stabbed 227 times and her head bashed in. The volume of blood and the gore might have made it extremely obvious there was no way the woman was alive.
Seeing the father, daughter, and grandbabies break down just made me cry so much. This is just heartbreaking. That poor family. 😭 the grandmother reminds me of my own mother. They were close in age. I can't imagine the pain the family is going through or the horrendous pain she experienced.
@@DemiGod..😢 sadly no when they....heard them cry they were distress because they realize that their grandmother was dead.... They're not copying or anything they can have feelings of their own, not to be rude or anything........ But they're not copying nobody but that's completely their own feelings they love their Grandma very much for what she but what that girl did was horrible and sicking.....
@Lizzie-h3j friendly reminder that trauma responses are different for everyone. Fight, flight, freeze. My sister is an excellent mother, but when my niece fell and hit her head as a toddler, she jumped back and screamed then froze. I immediately went to scoop up and hold my niece, while my mother grabbed ice. The mother just found out her sister more than likely murdered her mother. Her mother who she seemed very close with. After her other sister had also been murdered in the past by a possible SK. The amount of stress she must have felt in that moment is immense. While yes, the majority of people would agree that the first priority is to stay strong for the children and to comfort them... not everyone has the luxury of having that first as a trauma response. Go easy on her. Shes been through 2 HIGHLY traumatic events. And it seems she went home and was comforting the kids judging by her treatment of her nephew later on in the video. Be compassionate.
Having just lost my own Grandma not to long ago, when the kids said 'Grandma' and started crying, I felt that. I lost mine when I was 27, I can't imagine losing her when I was a child like them. My heart is with them.
Right! I was upset seeing him even walk into the room she was in and hardly did anything. Then again if she was stabbed over 200 times I’m sure she wasn’t alive anymore at that point anyways.
This police dept is beyond pathetic. This is a murder charge so why was she even allowed to use the bathroom before her clothes being taken for evidence. Then officer Gonzales lets her wash her hands, and when she tells the supervisor about the bloody underwear, never even says that she had just said she had her clothes off while stabbing the mom. Sorry but that officer should never be left alone with any suspect. Even at the house it took forever for them to check on the mom, with no idea if she was still alive. Then allowed the suspect to just walk away and into a bedroom where she could have grabbed anything to harm him. Crazy.
Not only that but the conversation with her superior she's making no sense at all. Her underwear is soaked in blood Because she saw them when she lifted them She's not on her period though She didn't ask her, she just says that Then she talks about how she was on top of her stabbing her She's asked if she got that on camera People in this department just do not communicate and when they try they make a mess of it.
It's obviously a new recruit lol. I doubt you were born perfect, we all do really stupid things when we are trying to learn in a career. Since you are a super cop why aren't you training to be one then since you get everything correct right out of the gate lol.
@@reddragon4482 Do you get off your bed just looking to start random arguments with strangers online? Like, do you plan ahead what sort of arguments you will be starting or is it more of an impulse response? I'm genuinely curious.
@@juangutierrez7277 All he did was just counter what you and the OP said. If you cannot take anyone disagreeing with you, I think you are the one that needs to get offline.
@@SemperFi777 Literally "countered" what I said (which was just me stating the facts of the conversation we all saw in the video) with the oldest and crustiest response ever. If I'm not a director I cannot comment on the quality of a movie? Or I must be a writer to comment on poor writing? Or a chef to say food is bad? It's ridiculous behavior and you're encouraging it, lmao.
We have them but they are expensive and don’t have a lot of room also we don’t often keep people in them for long they are treated released and repeat we honestly need to fix our healthcare system so people can access help and get long term help
Nah, Republicans tactic is to keep everyone scared, whether it's immigrants, mentally ill, racism....that way W middle class won't ask why they are losing wealth
They never got abolished, they still exist in every state; for example, the infamous and almost 100 year-old Bellevue State Mental Hospital in New York State still exists even today. The reason that "traditional mental hospitals" are less heavily-relied today on is due to the Johnson-era US Medicare & Medicaid programs making it more inexpensive for persons with mental illness to receive treatment on an outpatient basis. Prior to this, only the wealthy (e.g., Howard Hughes, William Faulkner, ect.) could receive outpatient mental health care.
My dad works in the state mental hospital. He was beaten horribly by a patient who went insane from using sherm. 62 years old and this patient beat him and broke a coffee pot full of boiling coffee on his face. Bless the workers in those hospitals, it's terrifying work.
I feel stupid admitting this, but I've been to a couple psych facilities due to my extreme anxiety, depression and PTSD and let me tell you, I've seen so many patients that act just the way we saw and heard. I felt stuck, scared and helpless being at those places with people that are in psychosis or in a state of delusion. I honestly believe she needs to be in a long term facility.
She seemed to hear the voices each time the beep of the fire alarm went off and she said she didnt hear them outside. Also that young female cop didnt seem to know what she was doing, either she's just graduated or she needs more training!
Or the officer was trying to not press her or anything and just letting her talk and not escalate the situation. Yall ain't trained for this stuff and it shows lol
Most longterm psych hospitals were closed under Regan for “care in the community.” As no funds were provided, that usually meant people with the most severe mental illnesses either relied on aging parents, or wandered the streets as the disheveled homeless guy arguing with themselves. Other countries have more semi-independent programs, where people have their own room or small apartment with some trained supervision, jobs they can handle like watering plants at a garden center, some financial oversight to help them budget and so they are not scammed or taken advantage of, etc. But these are very few in the US. It would be like if the US closed all nursing homes, then we all complained about the homeless elderly with dementia in the streets, or when tragic things happened.
Educate yourself. Reagan’s intent was to put control of mental care in the States hands because of the appalling conditions it was in. The states powers that be failed to do their part in most cases and that’s why some states DO have decent mental care but a lot more do not. Don’t blame Reagan when it’s the states powers that governors and senators etc…. Who are throwing resources away on bs.
Not true. Hospitals were closed due to legislation enacted by Congress under the last months of the Carter administration before Reagan even took office. Don't take my word for it, look it up yourself.
Exactly! Now everyone just assumes that if they see a person walking the streets talking to themselves then they MUST be on drugs. Which means there is no such as compassion or empathy anymore either. It's really sad.
bro. the firealarm triggered hallucination went deadly, that is horrible.also the female officer is so roookie, a quick handwash is still a handwash in context of trying to retain evidences...I hope the little kiddies are going to be ok growing up under these shadows. hayden is such a sweet baby... praying for them
and sara is 100% mentally illed and incapable of living an independent life, i do not know how the institution was able to deem her 'capable' of being released and in custody of her son? Thank Goodness that the kid is not harmed aside from mental trauma...
@@AntiSocialMachine you might want to check your comprehension skills respectfully, in no way can you read my comments and think i am excusing what she did????????? you ok?
Geez took a hell of a long time to even check on the mother? Body seen on the floor all bloody and the officer has to mess around asking a supervisor to enter the house? Then proceeds to mess around with the daughter and the family while she's laying in a pool of blood? Worst welfare check have ever seen!! No vital checks, cpr nothing? I'm not familiar with how it works in the states but that was pathetic!!
Alright. A “welfare check” doesn’t mean that some is coming over for a chat over tea and cookies. It also isn’t to provide medical assistance. It’s a way to try and get police intervention even though you’re not sure if a crime has taken place. Basically like “I’m worried something is seriously wrong could you please check”? If something’s wrong they investigate further. Sometimes the police just gets told to go f themselves.
It's really stupid, after all we know now about psychology & killers, that we still don't take animal abuse seriously.
Seriously, this society makes me sick
Well they do say that people who kill animals go to humans next..
We do, laws across the country and the globe have changed.
However, her mental illness and the place where she lives likely played a role in the decisions regarding what punishments or strategies were pursued going forward.
@@Gunnar2V productively get involved and create change
100% it's disgusting
I feel so sorry for Sarra’s sister. Her mom was murdered, her sister is the one who did it, she has no family, she is left with traumatized children and her other sister was murdered by a serial killer. What a nightmare.
Well she does have her dad period her mom's husband
Omg !!! How how the fuck did they let her out ...
Now I hope they live with this for letting her go , to do this ....
So, I wonder what they were implying about the other sister. What if she was the serial killer all along? Maybe she tried to stop killing and the dog was her losing control again...then she targetted her mom. What if her mom was her last victim of many?
@@trusainthm idk she doesn’t seem bright enough to get away with that many murders 😭
@@trusainthm That’s not what happened, look up the “Long Island Kīller”.
Animal abuse needs to be taken far more seriously, and carry far stiffer sentences.
I agree,the mum should've taken the dog off her straight away. I'm so sick in the belly and get very up set on animal abuse.
Don't forget someone was brutally murdered far more serious! Jesus!!
I swear when an animal is killed by a person that person will soon kill a human animal cruelty is just a hint that they fin do something more gruesome rip the grandmother 😢
Talking about a growing list of ACTUAL red flags; mental instability, slowly loosing touch with reality, animal cruelty. If someone presents multiple signs there should be a mandatory 51/50, Baker, or whatever act for assessment and treatment. Depending on severity, random meetings to ensure adherence to the program. It might seem extreme, but records show that people with mental health issues DO NOT stick to a program. They get level and think, "I feel better I don't need the medication", and thus the cycle repeats.
I think *heavy* fines will deter the people doing this. Fines at a percentage, 25% of their yearly income could help _inspire_ some "kindness".
These videos are SO well made!
- No distracting music
- No dramatization
- Very well edited
- minimal voiceover/captions that precisely highlight important clues
- explains crucial info i.e. interrogation techniques or background info
Thank you
Even catches when the officer belches.
EWU has been my favorite for a long time. Others do similar work, but EWU always takes the cake.❤
No need for dramatization this is horrifying
Da best
Idk why i watched this- so demonic
This family suffered so much. They lost their sister, Shannan Gilbert, to the Long Island serial killer. And then this. What heartache.
They all seem simple minded
I was SO shocked when I saw that. I had to take a moment to sit with that information. So so sad…
@@LunaMoonahblew my mind for a minute
@@PoppyOnPoppy No, you do.
I just looked this up, holy shit
When someone tells you “I’m evil” and they’re clearly not joking around, believe them.
Oh I do
No, she´s not actually evil... she propably just repeated what the voices told her to say... like you can clearly see when she was saying "im evil" there was no connection to the situation, like "The lights are on - but there is no one home" (in her head) she wasnt aware of anything, nor the things she was saying, thats illness and not someone being intentionally "evil"
@@legitscoper3259 100%
@@legitscoper3259 she was deemed competent to stand trial, effectively confirming they didn’t support the psychiatric diagnosis of schizophrenia. Many psychopaths try to mimic specific mental illnesses to lessen the sentence they receive.
im evil
The fact she has a child is terrifying, she needed to be in a facility
100%
some people havent heard of not putting your D in crazy
yes
Exactly. Why in the he double toothpicks was she free?
Yes, everyone knows this beforehand but it somehow only ever happens after they murder someone.
My baby sister was diagnosed with schizophrenia, maybe two years back and I tell you from experience that it is the scariest thing that can ever happen to you. I believe that it is on the level of dementia and Alzheimer’s. Not making an excuse for the woman in the video but when they come up with a scenario in their head, they truly 100% will believe in the scenario and there’s nothing anyone can say to make them think otherwise. My baby sister is the sweetest person I know and it makes me cry every time I think about it. I just pray every day that she can get her sanity back and I know that baby who's diapers I used to change not coming back. I cried every day, hoping that one day I would come home and my baby sister would be back to normal. It’s frustrating because in this country is no real help for people that is dealing with mental health issues. Only jail after committing a crime that could have been easily avoidable if they had gotten the help that they needed sooner. I fight for my sister everyday and will never let her mind slip in a dangerous zone because it can easily happen. Please help your family that is going through a similar situation. Its not easy but it will save so many families.
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My sister is also schizophrenic and she attacked my mom, luckily the outcome was way less horrific. my sister is still in rehabilitation 8 years later. but my mother loved her and advocated for her mental health before she passed from health issues a few ago. as much this might seem horrible and heartless, people with schizophrenia are still human, they are just so mentally unwell they think that what they hear is real. in Canada there is help, thankfully. though she will never be my little sister. I hope your sister can find some help, stay strong there is hope
Right, my mom had dementia and believed that the people on the tv were communicating with her and telling her things. So sad
There should be more studies on the brain with these illnesses than worrying about Botox and injections
@@cynthiamateo9450I think we’ll see even higher rates of schizophrenia as people have children later in life. Older mothers and older fathers is one risk factor. Trauma is another big one.
The way the babies say “grandma” truly breaks my heart. So terrible for them to experience.
I broke out in tears hearing them crying, the cop handled it very well though.
@@AquareyesgamesI consider myself really tough mentally and emotionally. But the tears were streaming half way into this video.
@Aquareyesgames I have to disagree here. That cop saying "it's ok" repeatedly isn't helping. It's NOT ok. They just found out they lost their grandmother. It's ok to not be ok sometimes. And parents shouldn't be made to feel as if showing emotions in front of children isn't ok. It's human to do so.
@@lindseyyoung9149 they all look under 8 years old…no one’s saying they can’t show emotion, but they are not able to comprehend what is going on. The cop did what she could, she’s trying not to cause panic. Kids see caregivers panic and they panic. It’s already traumatizing for them, poor babies 💔
@Aquareyesgames She should have kept her mouth shut and let the MOM of the children handle it. You really think her meaningless words and quick pat on the shoulder did something for that kid??
My mother killed my cat in front of me when I was a kid among many other things and I'm still extremely traumatized from that. I rescue animals to an extreme from it.
That's awful, I'm so sorry
I’m sorry that happened to you
One time my dog killed my kitten. I was screaming and my mom came out on the back porch yelling at me for being an annoyance. She told me dad would take care of it when he got home and went back inside slamming the door. I kept crying and went upstairs to my room. My much older sister who was 12 years older than me was listening to music. She yelled at me to shut up and kept listening to music. I repressed all of that until I was in my middle 20s. It came back with a vengeance. I felt the pain I hid away for all those years. Sorry you went through that
I wish I could give you a hug. Those things stick with a person. 😟
I am so sorry!! I think it is beautiful that you are now rescuing ❤
I work in a Psych Crisis unit. This is my life. She is extremely ill. This wasn't an act. This is really what some people live with in their heads. It's horrible
Mentally illness is real. So many ppl don't seem to get that.
Through proper treatment/intervention this could have most likely been prevented.
Thank you
It's sad to hear the lack of empathy
You seem like the right kind of person for the job you do I'm sure it's gotta be difficult
@@NathanBee3proper is the key. She gets on meds does fine but without them she kills people and animals. So why isn’t she being monitored since they know she routinely stopped taking her meds. Someone needs to be held responsible. Why isn’t someone checking her levels weekly or biweekly? They do for suboxone but not for psych meds Let’s keep a check on people who might use and not people who might kill again. Nice!!!
@@Thais-x7c Empathy is putting these things down so they don't hurt innocent animals or real human beings.
My husband accidentally ran over our cat 2 years ago and he was howling and screaming and crying profusely over it...... he still tells me that it haunts him often and sometimes he brings it up with tears in his eyes ralking about missing his Bubba 😢 i cannot imagine being the kind of person to drown an animal or hurt an animal of any kind in any calibur.. i hear even slaughterhouse workers get ptsd from their job and they usually rotate employees every 3 to 4 months bc its a hard job to do..............
I dont know why im relating all this information anymore.... this made me sick to my stomach and im in a state of slight shock 😲
Sending good thoughts your husband's way. That sounds so rough. Hope something heals his mind one day
It's very triggering. I'm watching this after midnight and am trying so hard not to pick up my sleeping kitty to give him kisses and hugs.
People that harm animals and children are the absolute worst.
Agreed
Yes pure evil
You're vegan
@@Scott6794 You're vegan
You're vegan
Her sister saying “we don’t have anyone, we don’t have family” is heartbreaking and scary… God protect Maris husband, her sane daughter and her kids
Yeah and apparently not any trusted friends or community members. This family is disconnected entirely from the rest of humanity.
@@Edelwiess1066which is a red flag
@alanalycan3986 It's super common for families who are dealing with an adult with severe mental illness. People really don't want to get involved or deal with the madness.
Im a reference librarian and we babysit homeless and extremely mentally ill people. Its really scary some days.
@@alanalycan3986 could have something to do with their sisters murder being the thing that made that family so known to begin with. I live in NY and i hear of Shannan Gilbert SO often. That can't be easy on the family.
Sarra should never have been allowed back into that house again
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I think the mother felt guilty for what happened to her eldest daughter so she was trying to overcompensate for her mentally unstable daughter. Unfortunately, it cost her life.
Or society
@@laikanbarththis isn't the mother's fault. It's the doctors that deemed her mentally fit and the judge who released her. Her mother shouldn't even have had the ability to let her be anywhere. She should have been committed by the state.
Poor parenting. Was the mothers fault all the way.
"Nothing you could ever do will ever take my love away from you." Very chilling case breaks my heart 😢
Shit made me cry. God I just wish we could all have easy access to mental health care so things like this don't happen.
@int0thedepths 100% agree with you. Makes me think if she did try and reach out, but just didn't follow through. It's crazy how the mind can overpower your thoughts and contribute to something horrific. Those words are for sure going to haunt her for the rest of her life. Very, very sad.
Elroy was such chill guy, and seeing his reaction, he handled surprisingly well, but you can tell in his voice he was not okay.
As a new husband and father, his reactions as well as the kids had me all sorts of fucked up
Poor guy. 😢
He essentially is the person that “found” her. The damaged she sustained must have been overwhelming. That poor man.
Yea man it made me so depressed
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I felt like puking when I heard the mom talking about how she would be there for her daughter forever and how much she loves her. That poor lady. This is one of the most chilling true crime videos I have ever watched it all my years of viewing.
Me too. And I have seen some stuff. But, this one. I feel miserable.
Me as well
Typical junky mom trying to sound nice in front of cops.
It's also funny (sarcasm) that all these people say they hear voices, but no one in these cases just say "no" to them? I call is BS
@@mii481well if they said no to the voices then they wouldn’t end up on this channel
i don’t understand why now a days people can’t go to jail for a longer time for killing an animal. especially the way she did it, and admitted to it. AND A KID WITNESS WHAT SHE DID. and how it’s a known fact people who kill people have killed animals in their past… why are they just letting these people back into society i really don’t understand it.
It probably has something to do with the cognitive dissonance we experience as we farm animals on a mass scale
This woman is clearly very mentally ill and not in control of her faculties.
if she got real jail time for doing that the mom would be alive 100%
The insane should be kept away from society, like what used to happen. They are simply too dangerous.
is she not bonded out by her mother before the trial for killing puppy?
Should have checked if mom was alive immediately
I saw a show that detailed the case about her sister that died. They were interviewing the mom throughout the show. Closing out the show they disclosed that the mom was killed by her daughter shortly after filming. I was blown away as im watching this video and they reveal this is the sister and mother of that same girl.
Yeah this one blew my damn mind. Watched a video about the Long Island serial killer, had no clue the investigation was in relation to this woman’s sister.
Crazy thing as well, the house where she killed her mom is located 30 minutes away from me. Never heard about this story until watching this video. Crazy.
@@iGotSumn2Say she's mental.. the mother saying she loved her after she tortured a dog was creepy.. l believe in humans before animals, but you don't hav to torture them.. like the yulin festival.. that is the worst!
this freak show should nvr see daylight again.. why didnt they force ger to take her meds after the dog.. mom might still be alive now..
*Shannan Gilbert was NOT Murdered by the Gilgo beach Kiler though.*
I think I saw that one too. Was this the little sister that the killer called? I mean, that would explain a LOT.
the girl is so traumatized by her sisters murder it changed her brain to make HER a killer.
When asked what she did to the dog, she said, "You know what you did." Then she apologized and said she knew the cop didn't do it. It was like two people in one body having an argument. Spooky. 🥶
I transport baker acts quite often & let me tell you lol I have prayed during and after
She’s a joke 🥱 she was playing crazy of course … but she was able to get mad at her mother for not getting her out of jail the proper way at first or whatever 🤔 … if she was truly crazy then she probably wouldn’t have been able to control her emotions when her mom made a mistake… she knew what was going on that’s why she got mad
I try to remember that for as scary as it seems on the outside, it’s likely profoundly scary to experience reality in such a fragmented manner.
@Blankityblankityblank-jh2mj she drowned a dog because she had to. She isnt scared, she is who people should be scared of. Hence why her mother is dead.
8:32 time stamp.
I've heard that scream once in my life when I was at a child's funeral. That sort of scream gives me chills.
It’s the visceral sound of a human in pain. It chills us because it’s instantly recognisable, on a cellular level.
I had to pause the video because that scream is very terrifying to hear and seeing the basis crying too just broke my heart😢
I’ve only ever screamed like that once. And it was after hearing my baby brother shot himself. I’ve never processed pain or emotions the same since then
We hear that all too often in the ER. Everyone reacts the same way; we feel it in our bones.
I lnow what you mean. The first and last time i heard that scream was from my mother in law at my wifes funeral.
“it’s just me and elroy “ im sobbing for them
18:15 The way she walked into the kitchen, nonchalantly smoking a cigarette like a friend just arrived, and immediately (and calmly) tells the officer what happened… truly haunting
She knew she was in trouble and knew that was gonna be her last cigarette. She just accepted. She's human garbage.selfish.
I got so angry when i saw that.If i would be that cop i would have lost it already..
It's a symptom of the schizophrenia...
Honestly it was a real jump scare. If I was that officer I'd have died right there on the doorway!
Sadly, that lack of emotion in her voice is a symptom of schizophrenia. Without medication, she just won't be able to demonstrate a "normal" baseline of emotions
@@PhoebeBananahammock yeah if only "the voices" told her to stop smoking cigarettes and to lose some weight....it's all bs
It's insane that this woman was not only able to continue to live freely in society, but also be responsible for a child!!! WILD!!
somethings not right
I lived next to a woman who had similar problems and she eventually ended up having three kids and her mother has custody of all of them, finally the state stepped in and made her get her tubes tied so she would stop bringing children into the world despite being unfit and incapable of caring for them. That should have been the case here as well.
@Big_Z14 and all those down bad baby daddies knocking up a down bad mental breakdown female... smh
Because society has taken a "gentle approach" to dealing with mentally ill people. There used to be things called asylums, otherwise known as state hospitals, which housed and treated dangerous but mentally ill people. Then, some individuals got together and felt sad that mentally ill people were locked up in these hospitals and said, "What if we release them all into the communities and let the community help deal with them?" This was called "deinstitutionalization." It's had far reaching consequences that many civil rights / liberal people won't even acknowledge. Instead of working to fix the problems in the asylums, which there were many, they thrust these mentally ill people upon communities that were not even prepared to deal with them.
@@aussiehillbilly yea, something’s not right! Our justice system that constantly releases dangerous people back into the world. Until they KILL SOMEONE.
I appreciate the subtitles including the belching officer. For some reason, that entertained me and added a very human element to the story.
Not once, but twice 😅. Much needed
the license plate read WICCA 22 🫣
The subtitles are great
Easily the best out there when it comes to subtitles.
So you get off on another's discomfort. Please stay FAR away from puppies, kittens, young children & seniors.
The fact that cop didn't go into the house gun drawn is beyond me, if she wanted to do harm it wouldn't have ended well
Sadly, this lady is a prime example of why institutions need to be brought back. Had this women been in a long term facility, stabilized & in a safe place ,none of these incidences wouldve happened. Sadly, people think institutions are bad. They arent. Many people with mental illness are unable to function on their own & pose danger to themselves & others. An instutution allows them to live in a structured place. So sad.
institutions are bad, they're proven to be bad.
I hate to break it to you but those long term facilities are actually horrible in todays world to their patients with mental illnesses. An institution doesn't allow them to live in a structured place in todays world. It does the opposite. You might want to experience an institution before you comment on this, because the institutions are bad in todays world. I honestly think they were better to their patients in the days of where humans did not know what half of the mental illnesses were.
These same thoughts were going through my mind as well.
@@earthdyrad There is lots of evidence that "institutions" that are tailored to the individual with adequate support can help people with mental health illnesses get a better life. There is also plenty of evidence that living at home with sufficient support can help mentally ill people get enough structure to live a fulfilling life
I mean I agree to some extend. But in cases like these, people like Sarra, unfortunately, don't deserve anything. She killed her mother while pleasuring herself. I know it's rooted in psychosis and delusion, but she simply went to far to give her any second chances for anything.
She was sentenced to 25 years? She must NEVER be released. She is ill and a danger.
She needs help not prison... Jail nor prison give those with severe mental illnesses the help they really need. Once free, they are worse from when they came in.
She needs capital punishment
@MrGoddlie, there is no help for her. She's a liar and a manipulator. She knew what she did. Don't feel sorry for the "mentally ill" cause they won't feel sorry for you.
@@MrGoddlie do you feel the same way about paedophiles? Apparently that's a mental illness too.
@@MrGoddlie you only say that because it's a woman.
As a retired LEO you can tell these officers haven't delt with homicides before. So many mistakes were made.
you could of just said you're divorced and see your kids every other weekend and we'd of known you're a "LEO"
@@HamburgerAmywhat does that have to do with him being a retired LEO?
@@His1andOnly81exactly !!!! These fools get on here and say anything !
@@HamburgerAmybro just wanted to be a hater lmaooo 😭😭
I thought after getting Sara they’d check make sure no pulse. Right?
This poor family has been through so much, to see the raw emotion her daughter and husband are feeling breaks my heart.
thank you for including “(officer belches)” i really needed that vital information
Body cam footage = humans at work.
Go figure.
Dont be an argument for narcissistic abusers saying the general public is too stupid to understand their jobs and stresses and we can't see their body cams. There a enough police chiefs that straight up LAUGH on TV when they say they're not doing a damn thing and end with the saying "one bad apple...."
(Ruins the whole bunch)
i think that was supposed to be a joke😭
what minute is that?
@@Loralanthalasholy overreaction batman go take your meds 😂
@@Loralanthalas Dude. There are great therapists out there... you should probably find one. Today.
What those babies saw and went thru. My heart is aching for them. Lost a puppy watching his Mom violently drown it, lost their grandma, witnessed them finding her body, and then lost their Mom.... I pray God keeps a hold of them.
Why did it take the police so long to check Maris body?? It’s bizarre… the second they saw her body on the floor the police should have instantly kicked the door down no questions asked. It took the suspect to suggest she was still alive for someone to finally actually check the victim. This is a massive oversight.
The police seemed to be poorly trained.
Exactly I was just about to post a comment saying did the cop really need to call his boss to ask permission to kick the door in when you see a bloody body inside 🤦♂️ of course you have permission! She could still be alive!. Also she says she killed her mom and you let her walk into the living room sigh.
Exactly what I said. This was crazy. Complete focus on Sarra and zero on anyone else....they r so bad at their job. Placating Sarra, even to the point they let her remove evidente.
there was over 200 stab wounds i would think she’s gone unfortunately
@@robinjohnson5113 You can say that again! Good god what a bunch of poorly trained amateur hillbillies on that force.
the amount of freedom she was given is insane
"Sara, wtf did YOU DO"
The way she aggressively says that sends chills down my spine
👍
Why? Her sister is crazy and it would seem she's just gotten worse. I'd be aggressive too if I found out my sister was a killer.
I don't think their comment was in defense of the killer or criticizing the woman screaming.
@@CecilCeceRobertdude your so woke im so glad you added 🥴
You do know that was her sister screaming at the killer? I'd be shouting the same
This must be a really small police force. The incompetence is unbelievable.
i exactly agree. basically ignoring the dead dog (and the fact she killed it IN FRONT OF HER SON??), letting her go from that with basically no repercussions even after she said she was evil, not supervising her while she went to the bathroom, ugh so many things stupidly done
I don’t care if it was a one person police force. This is just pure idiocy
The fact that the police found a body, the daughter admitted to deleting her mother, and then they told her “you’re only detained right now”. Urks me!
At that minute detained was the correct phrasing. @@God-Love-Freedom
@@gemaimapoole1005 letting her go wasn't a call made by PD. That speaks to the state of mental affairs.
If this young woman was known to be so early on why the hell was she allowed to keep her child with her. That could easily have been the child
Leftists
THIS!
Exactly, she said the puppy was evil
Or whatever, so she could’ve easily thought that about her child instead. No remorse.
This was my thought - at some point that poor kid would have become a victim 😢. That poor kid has to be so traumatized bc of his mother
Thats simple. The us government wants these animals free. They let my sperms donor out and he came directly for me and my mom. Almost killed us too. This monster should be in prison waiting for the locking 13 loop necklace for this
The amount of police incompetence throughout this video is staggering.
The officer in scene not allowing them to grief that instant it’s so irritating!
I disagree, at that point in time (when they just discovered a body), they ain't got no time for screaming family members, which will call the attention of the neighbourhood while there is a crime scene with a lots of unknown. @annasegura9754
Like who would let her wash evidence off her hands????
Some stellar police work on display here 🙄 Someone observes a person on the floor, bloody, and the cops just slowly and calmly continue walking around, eventually call to ask if it's ok to bust the door down, and then ASK PERMISSION to call EMS?!! And even once they get inside, not only do they let the suspect walk out of their sight and take their time restraining her, they don't even bother to go check on the victim until the suspect says she's still alive. What a bunch of incompetent cops.
Edit: Holy shit, they let her wash her hands before getting forensic samples??? Oh my God, what a bunch of clowns!
Yeah this is some keystone cop stuff here. Should have know when they said "Village Police Department".
the police pissed me off
Exactly I was thinking any other place they would of busted in one detaining her & the other checking on the mother & EMS would of been called as soon as they her husband said he's seen her body like what the fluck
They let the family run around outside. They said dumb stuff like, “I understand” and tell the kids, “It’s okay”. No action on what are clear exigent circumstances. No crime scene security. They let Sara walk away after confronting her in the house. She picks up a metal water bottle she could use as a weapon. They take out cuff before they have physical control of Sara. Dumb. Just dumb.
I didnt see this comment and commented the saaaame thing... Insane these people are police. Terrible work.
I followed the Gilgo Beach serial killer case for years. Very familar with the Gilbert family. Mari Gilbert fought hard for her daughter Shannon and the other victims. She never got the chance to see her hard work finally pay off.
Yes I follow it too and it was sad to see what really happened here. What a tragic family! Her hard work did pay off, but still not for her daughter....yet!
Same. Very sad story.
I came here to say same thing. This is extremely sad
Yep same here, I live in the same area in it was so sad how it happened here.
Now it really makes me wonder about the tape of Shannon saying all of those things that no one has been able to make sense of. It was the recording when she was leaving that house at the end of the night. Very scary!
So much tragedy in this family, it’s heart breaking! 😢
Her Mother was a huge reason to why Gilgo Beach Killer got so much media attention. It breaks my heart that she lost one daughter to murder, never knowing they would finally find the serial killer who is currently awaiting trial. And another daughter who murdered her. She was such a strong person. I still can’t believe she was killed… and by her daughter
could you elaborate? I'm not familiar with the serial killer...what did he have to do with the family beyond the sister being one of his victims?
right, and when mari said to sarra “and remember, nothing you can ever do will ever take my love away from you” just absolutely broke my heart. she was such a sweet woman :(
I find it mind boggling that officers treat evil people like angels, but when they arrest a decent person they treat them so badly they often end up in the hospital.
They may be fearful of who they’re with.
She's got zero business being in public or around that child.
..She could easily be a teacher in Boulder... Probably a Professor!!
Why hasn't her family tried to get her help. Have her baker acted, something.
They walk among us, waiting to snap at any given time
@@FuzzyDunIop and that's why we got guns
@@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill ..to be fair, some have guns, some have cameras.. some have a video screen and popcorn..
I remember hearing she murdered her mom, but I’ve never seen ANY footage of the case until now-thank you!!
Been out for years actually
@@DigUpHerBones85I personally haven’t seen it
yea, im not 100% but i think the sister that died is the one attached to the gilgo beach murders
@@kwazimokava Yes, Long Island Serial Killer aka LISP
@@kwazimokavashe is, they also mention it in this video
This is why you dont bail out your children... Especially when they killed an animal.
Severely Mentally ill people don't belong in jail
That's why hospitals shouldn't release people so soon.
@@isking1715shes still dangerous to everyone and no amount of medication can fix this.
Theres paranoid schizophrenia then there's homicide. People with schizophrenia don't commit suicide unless there's other mental health issues and/or drugs involved. People with schizophrenia doesn't mean they're innocent she killed her mother bro
I am so glad she didn't harm that precious little boy too! I pray they get him help as well. Very disturbing story
That poor baby needs therapy! 😢
Asking for the husbands information 10 seconds after he has learned his wife is dead is 10/10 police work
exactly. unbelievable.
Yeah…
That was… an odd choice at that time.
It's like when they cuff a person after dumping a clip in them
Seriously
How long should they wait to get the information?
Another case with so many warning signs leading up to this, so sad for that poor little boy
That poor precious puppy
So sad for the dead mother maybe?
Reminds me of the Vince Li decapitation case in Canada. Both of these people are textbook insanity defenses. They are extremely sick and take no effort to protect themselves legally. Also, both cases had previous incidents that should have been warning signs to get these people treatment to protect the public.
I'm surprised she wasn't found not guilty by defect or insanity like Vince (who is out now). Imagine having to live with that though... There can never be justice :(
It could have been him! I don’t now how she was allowed to keep him. Smh
@@Robert-ur8miI was thinking the same thing. How was she allowed to have custody of her child.
Now I'm really mad!! She should be locked up for what she did to that dog!!! She should have not been around to hurt anyone else!!
Her case was still pending. Her mom bonded her out after letting her sit for 2 months..
The gentle conversations and gestures she is receiving is crazy!
Because she is mentally ill. What if this was your loved one?
There is such a thing as too much tolerance. Having too much compassion for someone when other people could be negatively affected is a bad idea.
The mom didn't have "compassion"; she was emotionally gaslighting her. Seems like I'm the only one who paid attention at 13:42.
She didn't deserve to die but what we saw there was neither 'tough love' nor 'compassion'... neither of those things describes what the mom actually did: gushing about how she'll always love and be there for her one second, then yelling in a hateful tone of voice about all the errands she has to do and leaving her in jail for 2 months before she decides she'll bond her out after all.
Yeah, like when she killed the poor puppy and the mum is still saying how much he loves her, instead of telling her what a deplorable thing to do to an innocent animal
Compassion doesn't mean giving a free pass for horrible behavior. In this case, compassion would be to get her into a secure environment and treatment.
@@eloradanan4235 That's fine but people misunderstand me. If the mom was gonna do tough love that's fine. If mom explodes in anger that she'd kill a puppy, that's also fine. If mom gets her committed to a hospital that's fine, if mom thinks she needs to go to jail, that's also fine by me. Killing the puppy was all kinds of messed up.
But what mom actually does is this: a big over the top love bomb in public, then in private a week later gets an incredibly venonmous nasty tone of voice and shouts that it's too much of a bother to help her. (because she has to "pick up the girls" and "get some paperwork", it seems).
And she leaves her there for two months before bailing her out. Bail was $10,000 which sounds like a lot but that's only $1000 to the bail bondsman, and they allow you to pay in installments so it's probably more like $150 or something.
Again if the mom was just going to leave her there because she thought that was best, that's fine, but from all we heard she sounds like an emotionally abusive person to me.
The family had already born a lot of trauma with Shannan's disappearance. I can understand how Mari had a complex relationship with Sarra and didn't want to push her away. There may have been preexisting issues in the family that made Shannan vulnerable to drugs and sex work (she also had unmanaged bipolar). It's really important to care for family members with schizophrenia/bipolar and not let them fall out of being medicated or in psych care
Mari GIlbert was also an advocate for murder victims as her other daughter Shannan is believed to be a victim of the Gilgo Beach serial killings, the discovery of her body lead to the discovery of other victims in the area. Mari's story is unbelievably tragic, I hope she is resting in peace with Shannan.
This was mentioned in the video.
So she was the 1st victim found? I didn't realize that.
Is it possible that her sister killed her? I’m not familiar with the beach murders
@ No, Rex Heuerman was arrested and charged for some of the Gilgo Beach victims earlier this year. I think the likelihood is that he’s responsible, but it’s never been proven who murdered her unfortunately.
@ realised after I commented haha
Animal cruelty cases NEED to have more drastic consequences.
It was animal MURDER.
Trump made it a felony.
@@ksagstertohi6156😔
Agreed
I work with rescues and it's horrific. The way people treat dogs is awful. They absolutely HAVE TO HAVE stronger laws!!!!
Elroy sobbing started getting to me. But once Sherre began crying so loudly and then those poor kids, that was it for me. I started crying like a baby. I'm so terribly sorry that this happened.
She purposefully killed a puppy yet was let out of jail and not required to stay in a mental facility?! WTF?!
She went to the mental hospital first, then to jail after she was released.
They didn’t just let her out, her mom bailed her out
Thanks guys! I watched the same video as y’all. I got all that. That’s not the point.
@@bartholomewesperanza3442 So they got paid to just let her out. I don't get why bail is an option for situations that aren't property crimes
But to prosecute her they have to say she is fit for trial even when she is not.
Officer Gonzales is an idiot. She let her wash her hands. Then when explaining that her underwear had blood she leaves out what sarra told her. Why would you not tell the sergeant that sarra said she had her pants off while stabbing her.
Instead she just tells her hey she has bloody underwear and when they ask her why she says " i dont know, i feel like she didnt have clothes on" even though the lady just told her exactly why they were bloody. She was frustrating to watch.
@@JudsonWallace-y3s Yeah, just don’t know where all the good, experienced officers went during that defunding process 🤔
@@tablescissorstheir budget is 1.3 BILLION dollars and they’re still idiots, funding ain’t the problem bro
If only we had you on the force. Easy to judge when you're on your couch staring at a screen, huh?
the same cops that declared her murdered sister a suicide
@@tablescissors This happened years ago, before there was talk of defunding police.
This is why mental institutions need to be opened again. There are people that are a danger to themselves and others.
Tragic events like this could be prevented
Who’s going to run these places and manage the people who require sometimes little to no care to people who require 15 minutes check ins 24/7, medication administration , therapy , feeding, bathing. That all costs money and for many people having to deal with patients daily a hourly rate of $30/ hour doesn’t cut it - that’s also assuming if they’re all properly trained and are good at their job
@@michelperez4100we did it for decades. I agree bring them back. Unless you have a better solution for the problem, institutions are the most humane way of dealing with them unfortunately.
@@michelperez4100so your solution is to leave them on the streets? Do you understand MOST medical facilities have different levels of care?
@@michelperez4100behavioral health units, mental health facilities, rehabs, prisons/ jails. They all have people who require far different levels of care. That is not the issue.
@@michelperez4100 So true.
This is a prime example of the need for stricter animal abuse laws.
To know there are so many people & animals out there that are suffering & worse from people with such sicknesses. Poor dear dog & mum 😢
Ugh I know is horrible just to think about it 😢
Agree. I often have that thought and it's really overwhelming and I have to find things to distract myself. These videos probably aren't helping. 😢
This video made me so angry….. it literally breaks my heart thinking of what her poor mother went through and that poor dog AND her son was right there while she drowned his dog like wtf is wrong with people?!!!!! She should’ve never had any kids!
I find myself being angry that anybody would leave her alone with a child or an animal let alone GIVE her an animal like come on they all had to know she was sick af!
I know this is the shit that keeps me up at night. Makes me sick to my stomach and my skin crawl.
It’s hard to understand until you live with someone like this. The emotional toll is huge and I’m so sorry this ended like this.
Mari already lost one daughter (the famous case of Shannan Gilbert). I can see why she didn't want to 'lose' another. Humans are complex
@@princekareem Humans are st.upid.
It is so hard to understand without living it. The love but also the willingness to overlook I see in my mother cursed with two schizophrenic/drug addicted children is astonishing. Mental illness is such a curse and made her and sometimes my life hell. It's difficult not to 'harden the heart' towards them for the utter void of any positive quality of life they've provided her. I've found my limit of what I'm willing to tolerate and I also hope my mother does before she pays this kind of price for it.
Just as an fyi, schizophrenics very often have excessive thirst. One of the concerns with schizophrenics is that they dilute the electrolytes in their bodies bc they drink so much water. The flat affect (they described it as "robotic) is also very typical. Our mental health system is broken, she should have never been able to go back home that unstable.
That is the entire problem in this country
I have never heard or seen that regarding schizophrenia (excessive thirst).
But but…. I’m ALWAYS thirsty
I thought she said she took one of her medications (Haldol) and that that was the reason she was thirsty?
@@river8760i was diagnosed a while ago and i never knew either 😭
16:30 "grandma..."
the pain in that little voice broke me. 😢😭🥺
There's no "getting better" for people like Sarra. They literally don't see the world the way normal people do and sometimes it has extreme consequences.
That's not always true. My mom tried to stab my brother. She literally tried to sell my nieces newborn daughter before she said that "God" wanted her too.Just out of the blue. She never exhibited any violence or irrational thinking before those episodes. We had to do a 5150 hold on her. My mom was released with no meds or no future appointments. Not even two weeks later, she went into a local store and attacked the cashier. She told us and the police that her dad told her to do it. My grandfather died almost 7 yrs before that. She was again placed in a mental institution. At that time she wasn't released for 37 days. When she came home, she was diagnosed and was placed on the correct meds. One of those meds was Haloperidol, which Sarra mentioned taking in this video. Mom didn't like how it made her feel so she stopped taking it. Which led to another mental break. Afterwards she was given injections every month instead of daily pills. For 5 yrs she returned to that sweet woman she was before her first breakdown and she remained that way until she died in 2022.
This is a very disturbing comment. What do you mean by "people like Sarra" and "normal people"? Not everyone with schizophrenia kills people, and schizophrenia is very treatable. People with schizophrenia are still people, and there are amazing people with schizophrenia. There are literal astrophysicists with schizophrenia. Calling people without it "normal people" is very stigmatizing and harmful.
@ What are you on about? I’m talking about people who murder others.
There is managing. Sarra should have been on her medication and being supervised on that. She probably needed some hospital visits also. She has schizophrenia
@@King_Koolkaine Yea, people are quick to get so defensive when it’s plainly obvious given the subject matter that you’re specifically speaking about someone who has committed heinous acts PRIOR to even the incident with her own mother. What you said isn’t wrong - there is a very obvious and clear difference between someone like her and someone normal, normal meaning y’know someone (which can be anyone with even a mental disorder) that DOES NOT harm animals so cruelly and then attack their mother.
I think people just leap for the moment to be offended to morally grandstand before taking a moment to reread the comment and think about what is actually said.
Psychiatrists would tell you that once a person with schizophrenia starts having religious delirium, claiming to be god, or hearing god, or Satan, you should take it very seriously. Most of the time, they will end up hurting themselves or someone else.
It’s the most common delusion sadly. Not only schizophrenia, but also common with bipolar.
I always wonder why most people suffering from schizophrenia have religious focused delusions, usually Christianity related too. I’m just curious as to what draws the brain towards that specifically
@@vglycorpse2001 Could it be because we are exposed to it everywhere, all the time? Think about it. You don't even need to be Christian...no matter the religion- God is the focus somewhere all the freaking time. Every show, movie, book, even sci-fi books have some relation to a God like character. Pay attention to how many times you are exposed to the "God"-- even atheist! they are so obsessed with not believing in God that every single waking moment they think of God. Its kinda funny if you think about it. But seriously... we are exposed to certain things everyday, many times a day......sex, God, lately freaking politics..gross...and How we are supposed to 'behave'... the worst which tries to take away our individuality. Its something to think about anyway. ;)
@@vglycorpse2001 The biblical god Yahweh is a violent tyrant who orders genocides and sacrifices en masse, contradicts himself constantly, is jealous of other gods and condemns people to hell for not following his rules. I feel that this messes up people who mentally aren't stable really badly or contributes to their mental illness.
That said, this also happens with muslims and Allah is very similar to Yahweh. The abrahamic religions are responsible for so much suffering and death.
@@vglycorpse2001. There's different denominations of Christianity and some beliefs can be very scary such as the thought of going to Hell for some wrong doing and then suffering for all eternity. In the middle ages there was a mass panic due to death being around everyone constantly and they believed it was because of sin (the Bubonic Plague as an example rather than being from bacteria) and so there was mass hysteria where large groups would dance nonstop and people died due to dehydration.
Even in a healthy mind the thoughts of such a negative afterlife can take a toll. I follow traditional Christianity alongside traditional Buddhism and Stoicism for a more positive outlook rather than the Hell and brimstone that was taught to me at a young age
The kids crying when they found out their grandmother was dead broke my heart
Kids learn by watching how adults react, they may have been mimicking the sister and husband
@alaincharnier1971 .............
I’m currently at 14:10 and saw your comment, I’m scared to have the volume up
Edit: I got to it… taking a break to call my grandma
I’m sorry but children feel deeply, especially since their bond with Mary (grandma) was more nurturing and protective than ‘skitzo’ Sarah. 😢They’ve obviously felt and mourned loss in their family recently. 💐
@@alaincharnier1971 Ok technically yes. That is technically true that we learn how to *act* but that is still symbolic of a feeling in need of expression. There are generally accepted “Universal Emotions” experienced by humans.
Mari hugging Sarra in the station saying nothing will ever make me not love you is really too much. This is the saddest shit I’ve seen in a long time. Prayers for this family and the little guy especially, may he find some normalcy and happiness.
She stood there and allowed her to wash her hands. Absolutely ridiculous.
That's what I thought even before they talked about it! "Is she allowing a murder to wash her hands!!!???"
And Sarra clearly explained to the same police woman who allowed her to wash her hands why her panties were full of blood, because she had taken her trousers off before she killed her mother to avoid blood on it. And the police woman tells her supervisor she doesn't know why Sarra's panties are full of blood. How can this dumb woman work for the police!?
Yes... I'm not a option and I immediately knew that wasn't right... before they announced it
Plus get a drink & smoke her cigarette for a few more puffs
In the end it really didn’t matter though
DEI hire
The way my jaw dropped when you sd her sis was Shannon Gilbert! Wow! I remember that tragedy all too well. Y'all NEVER cease to intrigue us!! Thank y'all. Thoughts going out to all victims involved.
Now I gotta go research
@@KahleiaELoria Gilgo Beach. Rex Heuerman. Serial k.
Mine too.
I do hope they found some peace and can move on.
@u.synlig thank you!!!!!!!
@@KahleiaELoria Grizzly True Crime has done some pretty good shows, putting it all into context.
The consequences of havinglittle to no mental health hospitals. This woman was clearly capable of horrific acts after killing the dog she should never of been let out in the community again
That poor family. I remember the story of Shannon Gilbert. It was awful. I had no idea about her other sister's mental health issues and her the poor mother.
Progressives wanted to close all the insane asylums, they have zero right to complain.
Oh they help? Nuthouses just holds them freaks and makes money from it.
1000% agree! Government let everyone down yet again! It happens everyday, Psychos running around the country left, right and centre!
Animal abuse is a 5 year sentence alone. This is absolutely horrific
Aggravated cruelty for drowning a dog?!?!? Everything about this case is absolutely infuriating.
America for ya
@@wastelandwarriorz665fanacc8 You get nothing for drowning dogs in a lot of countries. You're lucky if it is "destruction of property" in some. You even have countries where torturing animals to death is a trend, like China.
This has nothing to do with America, but with the social stigmatisation that still prevails in many societies: animals are less than humans.
@miracookie444 bs
I knew a beeping smoke alarm could actually drive someone crazy
If u noticed she said she heard a voice every time it beeped, then said she didn’t hear voices outside the house
@Masqueraaaade
Certain frequencies for sure can, and some people are much more sensitive to them than other.
drive me crazy trying to understand why no one changes the battery
@@svetlanaisayeva2624 Wrong, it is just something an already mentally ill person latches onto the sound didn't do anything if you removed it she would have latched onto something else. Don't spread misinformation about something like this.
This is how psychosis works, you hear or see something normal, but the crossed wiring of the illness make you interpret it as something else. A mentally healthy person realises that it's a smoke detector, it might still be annoying and stressful, but they are in touch with reality. When you are in a psychotic state, it can mean anything, and whatever meaning it seems to be, seems completely real. It's a very difficult way to live, and can be terrifying.
Seeing a bloody body does not mean she is dead, yet they spend time ASKING to kick the door, and spend time escorting Sarra OUT and no one has yet checked to see if Mari might be BREATHING. That was not acceptable.
She was cold! Dead!
i don't disagree that they were VERY slow to look out for the victim - they didn't even check her vitals until crazy said she might still be alive.
however, i dont think it mattered in this case 227 stab wounds to the abdomen was definitive
She was cold to the touch meaning she’s been dead for a while. She was gone long before they even got there. Basic research on your part would have explained that.
She was stabbed over 200 times and bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher, her health status was probably obvious… and they need to get confirmation if they should wait on backup or even swat team in some cases before entering.
@@marelynhaines9606 They didn't know she was cold until they checked on her! The point being made is that they should check immediately JUST IN CASE.
Such a well made video, thank you for covering this story. As someone who watches a lot of this stuff, my feelings were all over the board on this case.
How much tragedy can one family endure? So sad, my condolences to the family.
As an irish woman, sadly, too much
@@gilla2092 what does that mean? Genuinely asking
@@CarlyGayJepsen my mom would have asked if they were irish. We have a lot of tragedy in the blood. And in our own case, I'm 25 and I'm the last adult left standing after covid swept our family. Lost a baby, mom, a set of grand parents, uncles. I'm next in line as breadwinner, my dad had a dui driver give him a TBI when we were little. The irish have something in the blood
@@CarlyGayJepsen and I won't be here past my 40s thanks to colorectal
@@gilla2092 oh okay sorry for your loss and i hope everything goes well for you in the future, i’m not exactly sure what you mean but it sounds like you’ve been through a lot. Take time for yourself and be gentle with yourself i know it’s easier said than done but don’t let the stress and negativity get to you 🫶🏽
Sarra lost her appeal on her 25 years to life last year. The prosecution believed Sarra plotted to kill her mum as she was the one to call the police for the dog incident & was given temporary custody of her son. Her mental health problems were acknowledged at trial & the appeal however preliminary tests on the M-FAST for malingering were positive. The defence countered a lifetime of abuse, mental illness & repeatedly being let down by the MH system. The jury believed she knew what she was doing & had capacity at the time. A lot of her statements we heard in this video when the police arrived (along with her hiding) were used against her in the belief she had an understanding it was wrong, even down to her asking her family be moved away when she was taken to the car.
The Gilbert family have endured an unimaginable amount of tragedy & still have Shannon’s case ongoing. I can’t begin to imagine the trauma & stress.
Exactly right. Dr. Sandra Antoniak was the psychiatrist who assessed Sarra Gilbert and he stated with 97 percent accuracy that Gilbert was malingering, meaning she was intentionally faking or exaggerating psychiatric symptoms for the purpose of being absolved of criminal responsibility. He also testified that Gilbert said when police arrived on the scene, she knew they were going to find [the victim] so she got up, went down the hall, felt that her jogging pants had soaked up too much of the blood, so she shed them, [and] went into the bathroom where she washed her hands and sat in the bathtub,” according to the appeal.
The appellate decision said that “Independent evidence also supports the proposition that defendant possessed more than a surface understanding that her conduct was wrong, including that she hid in the bathroom when police initially arrived at the scene, requested that her family be moved away, stated to detectives that she felt bad about her actions, agreed with detectives that stabbing the victim would still have been wrong even if the voices {she said she heard} had ceased thereafter.”
Thank you for the updates.
some people just have mental illness take ur conspiracy hat off
Because people are blindly sympathetic out of emotion and people think if you can explain away the cause then consequence is not due.
Yes thanks for the update.. I was certain the entire video that should would be found not guilty due to insanity, but after reading the updates in the comments it's apparent that she wanted to convince me (a potential juror) that she's insane when it was really just an act.. I'm someone that's suffered from MH since my military time and I've never used it as an excuse.. I really hate when people do that
she drowned the puppy infront of her baby son. and she... was just let back go...? she is so cold about admitting to it, too...
I mean she has schizophrenia so yeah, that's why she is admitting to it.
@@pondaz3187the phone call at the jail between her episodes was the telling part of her character. She just wants to get out to smoke and do whatever she wants, nothing about seeing her sister or anything. She’s criminally insane. They should start doing 40-to-life instead of 25.
@@pondaz3187 who cares about sht eating mutant hell hounds
She was let back go because her mother paid bond
She's not cold she just lacks affect and feeling because she's schizophrenic. She's disconnected.
How is someone that delusional and dangerous not locked up in a mental hospital? Sad 😢
asking someone to compose themselves after literally finding out their mom was murdered 45 seconds ago is INSANE.
I totally agree they're always trying to rationalize a terrible situation God bless this young lady and her children
I understand what you're saying but her little children were in the car and getting upset by their mothers reaction. It's a no win situation really, I'd be screaming too.
@@mystifiedmargot1970 and two seconds later she is on the phone!
They're not real good with that. They do this for a living and see crazy stuff. I feel like alot of the times their sympathy button is broken.
I understand how it should have been approached differently but really the right thing to do in that situation is to protect your children from hearing screaming and wailing because their grandma is dead. Kids shouldn't have been around that situation, the officers could've asked to bring them to one of their cars away from it all though instead of telling the parent to calm down.
The fact she was just waiting in there is absolutely shocking and horribly scary.
She literally killed a dog in her bathtub and then everybody wants to act surprised when she killed her mom! This situation is just so very sad
Exactly! The first thing I think about when I hear a poor animal torture, is "violence towards animals leads to violence towards humans," we learned that in elementary school. If someone is torturing a poor puppy, and they have mental illnesses that aren't being properly monitored, changes are high, they will do something fast worse soon. This was so sad and completely avoidable.
right. im not trying to be insensitive, but, HELLO!!! i was relieved it wasnt the defenseless child. thats the only comfort i have.
The "justice" system is a fkn JOKE! They allowed this monster to be around her child after she drowned a puppy in front of him💔 I hope she can't sleep without seeing her Mother's face & voice.
Ohhh wow, another Gypsy Rose Blanchard, keep an eye on that baby please parole officer!!!!
I wished her mom left her crazy ass in jail
The cop saying “ it’s ok” to the children- don’t. Don’t send them that message- it’s incongruent and confusing. Nothing about this is ok. Speak truth calmly in child friendly language , children can understand. “ yes this is scary- we’re here with you “ “ hug mommy, mommy is with you”
Agreed! When he said that I cringed a little thinking "exactly what part of this moment is okay?"
If someone looks you dead in the eyes and says “I’m evil” believe them…
OR try to understand what schizohrenia is.
@@legitscoper3259Few people try to understand schizophrenia. It's a complex diagnosis that's difficult to treat. To the schizophrenic, they are in their right mind. Treatment takes away their experienced thoughts and feelings; many of them hate their symptoms, yet they find they they can't live their lives without the symptoms. Many schizophrenics are some of the most brilliant, creative, and artistic people: Donny Hathaway, John Nash, Syd Barrett, Old Dirty Bastard, Joey Ramone....
Anyone can google a list of m*rderers with schizophrenia.
@@legitscoper3259It's something that makes you dangerous.
lol no she is just a schizo, she aint evil
it's called severe mentall illness, they are not actually evil, just very very ill and need help.
I dont understand how she was allowed around kids, why she wasnt on medication, and why she wasnt in a facility after killing a dog infront of a child, like this feels all preventable and the system failed miserably
I'm guessing she was a meth addict and her symptoms would clear up some when she stopped using. She sounded pretty coherent on the jail call
@@freddiefackelmayer5267I know someone with bipolar schizophrenia and I can definitely say that I can believe it’s meth. The difference between a sober and high schizophrenic can literally be so night and day. It’s likely she doesn’t even remember what happened. Poor family.
@@freddiefackelmayer5267 I didn't even think of that, but that would make a lot of sense
Her mom bailed her out
Of
Jail.
She never should have done that. Leave dangerous mentally ill people locked up if you are lucky enough to get them locked up.
Are these the Keystone Cops or what? 🤦🏻♀️
God hearing her family sobbing and screaming is so fucking heartbreaking
Broke my heart when the mother went up to Sarra in the station and was giving Sarra validation and love even after what Sarra did… the mother was so patient and understood her daughter was ill and didn’t hold it against her, and in the end it didn’t save her… that’s truly and utterly heartbreaking
Those poor kids will have this engrained into their minds forever. I feel so bad for the trauma and heartache they’ll forever deal with from this situation. Prayers for them
It drove me crazy that no one went to check the mom until she said she was still alive. Like wtf. Aren't cops supposed to do CPR or some sh*t? No one even bothered to go to her.
And that they didnt make entry as soon as they saw an injured person! Both of those were wild
I'm not just hating on law enforcement officer's here? But the level of policing, the service or lack of, has deteriorated so so much in my lifetime. It's universal it seems, in the west certainly? I'm from the UK, and this is the USA.
Alot of officers don't seem to have a good working knowledge of the law and general procedures etc. IMO anyway
She was stabbed 227 times and her head bashed in. The volume of blood and the gore might have made it extremely obvious there was no way the woman was alive.
Oh shut up
@@klz9500yeah. There are times when it’s really obvious. It was obvious to her husband for sure.
Seeing the father, daughter, and grandbabies break down just made me cry so much. This is just heartbreaking. That poor family. 😭 the grandmother reminds me of my own mother. They were close in age. I can't imagine the pain the family is going through or the horrendous pain she experienced.
The grandbabies didnt know what happened, they were just coppying everyone else
@@DemiGod..😢 sadly no when they....heard them cry they were distress because they realize that their grandmother was dead.... They're not copying or anything they can have feelings of their own, not to be rude or anything........ But they're not copying nobody but that's completely their own feelings they love their Grandma very much for what she but what that girl did was horrible and sicking.....
@@DemiGod.. Because you enjoy acting heartless doesn’t mean they were
And their mother was on her phone instead of comforting her 3 babies.
@Lizzie-h3j friendly reminder that trauma responses are different for everyone. Fight, flight, freeze.
My sister is an excellent mother, but when my niece fell and hit her head as a toddler, she jumped back and screamed then froze. I immediately went to scoop up and hold my niece, while my mother grabbed ice.
The mother just found out her sister more than likely murdered her mother. Her mother who she seemed very close with. After her other sister had also been murdered in the past by a possible SK. The amount of stress she must have felt in that moment is immense.
While yes, the majority of people would agree that the first priority is to stay strong for the children and to comfort them... not everyone has the luxury of having that first as a trauma response.
Go easy on her. Shes been through 2 HIGHLY traumatic events. And it seems she went home and was comforting the kids judging by her treatment of her nephew later on in the video.
Be compassionate.
Having just lost my own Grandma not to long ago, when the kids said 'Grandma' and started crying, I felt that. I lost mine when I was 27, I can't imagine losing her when I was a child like them. My heart is with them.
Why didn't anyone check on the Mom immediately? He has a full conversation with Sara before even looking in the room.
Because he is completely incompetent.
I was wondering that too, when Elroy said that Mari’s bloody, why’d didn’t police ask dispatch for ambulance
@@sweetlotusrain Right? They waited ages and then finally went "Do you want me to call EMS?". This police department clearly has ZERO training.
@@vihaze6725 I wonder if this is the same police force that were responsible for taking eons to find the Gilgo Beach serial killer smh
Right! I was upset seeing him even walk into the room she was in and hardly did anything. Then again if she was stabbed over 200 times I’m sure she wasn’t alive anymore at that point anyways.
This police dept is beyond pathetic. This is a murder charge so why was she even allowed to use the bathroom before her clothes being taken for evidence. Then officer Gonzales lets her wash her hands, and when she tells the supervisor about the bloody underwear, never even says that she had just said she had her clothes off while stabbing the mom. Sorry but that officer should never be left alone with any suspect.
Even at the house it took forever for them to check on the mom, with no idea if she was still alive. Then allowed the suspect to just walk away and into a bedroom where she could have grabbed anything to harm him. Crazy.
Not only that but the conversation with her superior she's making no sense at all.
Her underwear is soaked in blood
Because she saw them when she lifted them
She's not on her period though
She didn't ask her, she just says that
Then she talks about how she was on top of her stabbing her
She's asked if she got that on camera
People in this department just do not communicate and when they try they make a mess of it.
It's obviously a new recruit lol. I doubt you were born perfect, we all do really stupid things when we are trying to learn in a career. Since you are a super cop why aren't you training to be one then since you get everything correct right out of the gate lol.
@@reddragon4482 Do you get off your bed just looking to start random arguments with strangers online?
Like, do you plan ahead what sort of arguments you will be starting or is it more of an impulse response?
I'm genuinely curious.
@@juangutierrez7277 All he did was just counter what you and the OP said. If you cannot take anyone disagreeing with you, I think you are the one that needs to get offline.
@@SemperFi777 Literally "countered" what I said (which was just me stating the facts of the conversation we all saw in the video) with the oldest and crustiest response ever.
If I'm not a director I cannot comment on the quality of a movie? Or I must be a writer to comment on poor writing? Or a chef to say food is bad?
It's ridiculous behavior and you're encouraging it, lmao.
This is why we need mental hospitals back
We have them but they are expensive and don’t have a lot of room also we don’t often keep people in them for long they are treated released and repeat we honestly need to fix our healthcare system so people can access help and get long term help
Nah, Republicans tactic is to keep everyone scared, whether it's immigrants, mentally ill, racism....that way W middle class won't ask why they are losing wealth
They never got abolished, they still exist in every state; for example, the infamous and almost 100 year-old Bellevue State Mental Hospital in New York State still exists even today.
The reason that "traditional mental hospitals" are less heavily-relied today on is due to the Johnson-era US Medicare & Medicaid programs making it more inexpensive for persons with mental illness to receive treatment on an outpatient basis.
Prior to this, only the wealthy (e.g., Howard Hughes, William Faulkner, ect.) could receive outpatient mental health care.
Before that you need socialised healthcare... who gonna pay for a lifetimes stay in the mental hospital... the family? no.
My dad works in the state mental hospital. He was beaten horribly by a patient who went insane from using sherm. 62 years old and this patient beat him and broke a coffee pot full of boiling coffee on his face. Bless the workers in those hospitals, it's terrifying work.
I feel stupid admitting this, but I've been to a couple psych facilities due to my extreme anxiety, depression and PTSD and let me tell you, I've seen so many patients that act just the way we saw and heard. I felt stuck, scared and helpless being at those places with people that are in psychosis or in a state of delusion. I honestly believe she needs to be in a long term facility.
She seemed to hear the voices each time the beep of the fire alarm went off and she said she didnt hear them outside. Also that young female cop didnt seem to know what she was doing, either she's just graduated or she needs more training!
It seemed to me like the officer was brand-new…
What a sad, disturbing case.
Yep, seems those voices were a distortion of the fire alarm beeps.
Or the officer was trying to not press her or anything and just letting her talk and not escalate the situation. Yall ain't trained for this stuff and it shows lol
@@kawaii33366Yeah I missed the part of the training where you fail to handle / report evidence.
She hears voices. You can tell she's mentally ill.
Most longterm psych hospitals were closed under Regan for “care in the community.” As no funds were provided, that usually meant people with the most severe mental illnesses either relied on aging parents, or wandered the streets as the disheveled homeless guy arguing with themselves.
Other countries have more semi-independent programs, where people have their own room or small apartment with some trained supervision, jobs they can handle like watering plants at a garden center, some financial oversight to help them budget and so they are not scammed or taken advantage of, etc.
But these are very few in the US.
It would be like if the US closed all nursing homes, then we all complained about the homeless elderly with dementia in the streets, or when tragic things happened.
You are incorrect. State mental hospitals are opened
Educate yourself. Reagan’s intent was to put control of mental care in the States hands because of the appalling conditions it was in. The states powers that be failed to do their part in most cases and that’s why some states DO have decent mental care but a lot more do not. Don’t blame Reagan when it’s the states powers that governors and senators etc…. Who are throwing resources away on bs.
Not true. Hospitals were closed due to legislation enacted by Congress under the last months of the Carter administration before Reagan even took office. Don't take my word for it, look it up yourself.
🙌🏻 Spot on. 💙
Exactly! Now everyone just assumes that if they see a person walking the streets talking to themselves then they MUST be on drugs. Which means there is no such as compassion or empathy anymore either. It's really sad.
bro. the firealarm triggered hallucination went deadly, that is horrible.also the female officer is so roookie, a quick handwash is still a handwash in context of trying to retain evidences...I hope the little kiddies are going to be ok growing up under these shadows. hayden is such a sweet baby... praying for them
and sara is 100% mentally illed and incapable of living an independent life, i do not know how the institution was able to deem her 'capable' of being released and in custody of her son? Thank Goodness that the kid is not harmed aside from mental trauma...
@@keepfaith_gbecause the mom said she would probs take care of her
So… she stabbed her mother to death and drowned her dog because she was too fucking lazy to change the fire alarm battery? That’s your excuse?
@@AntiSocialMachine you might want to check your comprehension skills respectfully, in no way can you read my comments and think i am excusing what she did????????? you ok?
Geez took a hell of a long time to even check on the mother? Body seen on the floor all bloody and the officer has to mess around asking a supervisor to enter the house? Then proceeds to mess around with the daughter and the family while she's laying in a pool of blood? Worst welfare check have ever seen!!
No vital checks, cpr nothing? I'm not familiar with how it works in the states but that was pathetic!!
Alright. A “welfare check” doesn’t mean that some is coming over for a chat over tea and cookies. It also isn’t to provide medical assistance.
It’s a way to try and get police intervention even though you’re not sure if a crime has taken place. Basically like “I’m worried something is seriously wrong could you please check”? If something’s wrong they investigate further. Sometimes the police just gets told to go f themselves.