"The Warmind and a Cabal Empress at our table. Why not invite a Hive god as well?" If I had a nickel for every time someone sarcastically suggested giving Savathun a spot on the vanguard, I would have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice. (For those wondering: the first time is in the stolen intelligence lore book; a vanguard operative is discussing the lack of a hunter vanguard, and says that if we follow through with Cayde's dare (whoever kills him gets the job), and follow the chain of responsibility for his death, we would have to elect Savathun as hunter vanguard, as she manipulated Riven, who manipulated Uldren, who then killed Cayde)
@@Lynch2507 deep space is considered to be around 1.2 million miles away from earth, neptune is 2.8 billion miles away from earth so it would qualify. Deep space is basically a synonym for outer space
I love crow but feel so bad for him. I'm glad us zavala and osiris are his friends and I hope him and Amanda stay friends after she inevitably finds out. I feel bad for him when he says ikora has been avoiding him. I can kinda understand it but still
@@Blitzwaffen again, Crow didn’t complete it, Uldren did. You can’t give Crow the seat just cause he looks like Uldren, they are completely different people.
1:47 You mean charging forward with Shotguns and shooting them in the face and mach punch them if they didn't die? Yea we Titans are truly quite the strategists
@@Bigdude0444 personally that's why icefall mantle has become my defacto exotic since Beyond Light, once ya adapt to the mobility penalties it's a solid exotic for a more tanky playstyle.
@@CaptainDemo779 there'd be no way it'd work, even excluding Crow's past: Crow's an immortal guardian and Amanda is a mortal human, simple as that. If I remember correctly, similar topics were discussed slightly in D1 with a mention of Ikora's relationship with a mortal OWL Sector operator, but the pair ended it because of the immortality thing.
“The Warmind and a Cabal Empress at our table? Why not invite a Hive god as well?” A few months earlier Savathun: OMG CROW AND THE GUARDIAN ARE SO CUTE AS FRIENDS - I-I mean, it’s not like I’m happy for them o-or anything....
Things that stick out: Shiro-4's report on future war cult. Cabal possibly hiding something in Neptune's gravity well. Crow's whistling of Savathun's Song. Osiris lamenting the loss of Sagira and telling you to keep Ghost close. Saladin questioning literally every decision Zavala makes and telling you that he has much more experience, then asking whose experience you trust more. Zavala: "a truce and trust are not the same thing" in reference to Caiatl's actions.
Shaxx is possibly being slightly influenced by Savathun via the Ahamkara skull above him, I assume that Saladin might be controlled as well by Xivu Arath. His War Crime-o-meter went from 0 to a 100 real quick since the start of the new seasons.
That we've heard absolutely NOTHING from Lakshimi-2 after Beyond Light and The Deep Stone Crypt raid is...somewhat suspect to me...I wonder what Shiro found?
@@DarkenedEclipse Ik I don't like saladloser. I'd much rather see his cowardly self get kicked off of his mountain and into an abyss than to have any dealings with him
Even though most characters are sadly two dimensional in game compared to any writing bungie wasn’t allowed/or didn’t want to actually put into the game meaningfully, it still hurts a bit to see Zavala get a package meant for Sloane. Maybe it’s because I’m a titan main that I feel bad that she’s either trapped or dead.
Saladin doesn’t believe that this truce will last to the next day and will be genuinely surprised if it did. Also the quote about Rasputin is interesting, both him and Drifter pointed out that the Warmind went down like a sack of potatoes despite the hype. Perhaps that angle will be explained further?
There are so many fucking rabbit holes in destiny The cabal is interested in Neptune Osiris making note on how the cult of osiris is getting fascinated with a bell on mercury that can take light A story of Ana Bray finding a bay of exos that were bound for a distant colony founded apparently by exos. One woke up and called her "a tyrant" I fucking love the lore giving so many hints
Yeah right i almost forgot about the moon because of this whole season but that's a very good point, why choose the cosmodrome when the scarlet keep is right on the moon
Not sure but maybe because the Hive on the Moon is the Hidden Swarm which is led by Crota's Spawn, which means they aren't Xivu Arath's Hive??? Idk tho
@@wisteriadrop2641 good theory but the hidden swarm and the brood of xivu arath have the same goal and that wouldnt explain why they fight the cosmodrome hive because they arent xivu araths brood soo
My theory. The force of hive in the cosmodrome is not as strong as the Hidden Swarm. This allowed the Cabal to begin bringing vengeance to the hive, but also not needed to expend as many resources. The purpose of the Battleground was to clean out the hive and earn a position on Caiatl's war council, which is why the Cosmodrome Champion decided to go after the hive. Get some vengeance, earn the Empress's favor, and get positive reputation with the fleeing Cabal people. If they decided to attack the Hidden Swarm, they would need to establish a base close to enemy territory, defend it, and also begin to clean out the hive that is currently present on the moon. And let me remind you that these Cabal Champions do not even have a legion under their control. It would be suicide, even for the Cabal, to attack the Hidden Swarm in their current condition. Plus, the nightmares and the pyramid ship still exist on the moon.
She appears multiple times in beyond light in person, so she's alive. probably too busy trying to restore rasputin/working with elsie to be an actual in game vendor.
7:26 yeah sure Saladin, 'a victory is forever'. Like how the Iron Lords stopped SIVA... 'forever'. Or how we stopped the Cabal 'forever' by beating Ghaul? Or the victory over Crota leading to an escalation of the conflict when Oryx showed up? For someone so old, he sure lacks any hindsight.
Is it just me or is the voice actor for crow and The Dark Prince 2 different people. I would have so crows former name but I’m terrible at remembering how to spell names
Uldren was a manipulated into a confident, passive aggressive asshole while Crow is far more soft spoken. Tone does wonders to a character's voice lines.
Salad man just salty no one likes his event because he hasn’t changed it in 4 years. You figure if he’s gonna sit on his ass and let us do all the fighting, he could at least make Iron Banner respect our time for a change. Instead he’d rather bitch about how we aren’t actively digging our own grave deeper by wiping out potential allies in a fight that we are already hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned in. If he actually understood the Hive and Darkness for their true power, he wouldn’t be so eager to toss aside potential allies. He’s too used to tangible threats like the Cabal and the Fallen.
Sigh... I don't mind Crow. He is a good egg. It's Uldren I hate. I'd get over my hatred if I were Ikora. Right now he's a lost cinnamon roll just doing his job the best he can. Right now he seems like the type to have a mental breakdown if he were to ever find out what he did in his former life not actually do it again. That's the difference.
It's funny how at around or near the 5:40 mark saladloser is talking about being cowards but the main coward was him. I mean really our guardians fought during the red war while all he did was hide out on his mountain. To me it's like the pot calling the kettle black cause the true coward was him PS this is just my opinion but lord saladbin needs to just shut up and go back to wherever he hid on his mountain instead of acting like a wannabe warmonger that thinks he has a right to tell our guardians what we should do
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"The Warmind and a Cabal Empress at our table. Why not invite a Hive god as well?"
If I had a nickel for every time someone sarcastically suggested giving Savathun a spot on the vanguard, I would have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
(For those wondering: the first time is in the stolen intelligence lore book; a vanguard operative is discussing the lack of a hunter vanguard, and says that if we follow through with Cayde's dare (whoever kills him gets the job), and follow the chain of responsibility for his death, we would have to elect Savathun as hunter vanguard, as she manipulated Riven, who manipulated Uldren, who then killed Cayde)
It's like 3 now
Things in neptunes orbit that have the cabal interests? Intreging.
There is a theory that the cabal elderly and children are waiting in a group of ships in Neptunes orbit while caiatle rebuilds her army in sol
@@neilanderson3114 I think they said the civilians are in deep space, idk if Neptune would qualify
@@Lynch2507 deep space is considered to be around 1.2 million miles away from earth, neptune is 2.8 billion miles away from earth so it would qualify. Deep space is basically a synonym for outer space
@@neilanderson3114 ahhh OK fair, I thought deep space would be like, outside the solar system
maybe the moon triton is their interest
Shiro 4 mentioned, we love to see it
I love crow but feel so bad for him. I'm glad us zavala and osiris are his friends and I hope him and Amanda stay friends after she inevitably finds out. I feel bad for him when he says ikora has been avoiding him. I can kinda understand it but still
To be fair I'm just waiting for when Zavala give Crow the Hunter Vanguard seat since by technicality he completed Cayde's Dare.
@@Blitzwaffen again, Crow didn’t complete it, Uldren did. You can’t give Crow the seat just cause he looks like Uldren, they are completely different people.
Yeah. Based on her dialogue from Forsaken, Ikora is probably having a tough time with coming to terms with Crow’s existence.
@@miniduck1785 He may not be Uldren. But that is Uldren's body. Which is why I said by technicality. Not by official completion.
@@Blitzwaffen ah my bad, I misunderstood the first comment
2:43 savathûns song
It think it went
Eris-
Shaxx-
Saint-
Osiris-
Crow
And technically drifter because Eris did hum it to him
@@jbgaming3221 and us
@@baryonyx-hl4mb oh yeah, so are we screwed as well?
@@jbgaming3221 probably
when did Osiris hear it?
1:47 You mean charging forward with Shotguns and shooting them in the face and mach punch them if they didn't die? Yea we Titans are truly quite the strategists
We Titans truly do have the best strategies. From punches to long range punches (shotguns).
Y’all are just tanks thats just buff af.
Now now to be fair, occasially we headbutt too, that's like, 50% more strategy!
@@Shadoxas I wish we were the actual tank class*. We die just as easy. We're just used to being low health all the time.
@@Bigdude0444 personally that's why icefall mantle has become my defacto exotic since Beyond Light, once ya adapt to the mobility penalties it's a solid exotic for a more tanky playstyle.
“I wonder what Holliday is doing later” 😩
Shes tryna get a piece of Crows chaperone.
@@dredgenmerciless3422 she's going to be unlocking his legendary weapon
Yeah that boy's down bad for her...I hope the end up together tbh.
@@CaptainDemo779 its gonna be an eboy and tomgirl kinda thing
@@CaptainDemo779 there'd be no way it'd work, even excluding Crow's past: Crow's an immortal guardian and Amanda is a mortal human, simple as that. If I remember correctly, similar topics were discussed slightly in D1 with a mention of Ikora's relationship with a mortal OWL Sector operator, but the pair ended it because of the immortality thing.
Last time I was this early all the iron lords were still alive
“The Warmind and a Cabal Empress at our table? Why not invite a Hive god as well?”
A few months earlier
Savathun: OMG CROW AND THE GUARDIAN ARE SO CUTE AS FRIENDS - I-I mean, it’s not like I’m happy for them o-or anything....
Savatsun
@@WaffleTheMinotaur HAHAHA
If ya know a warlord when ya see one Saladin ya better avoid looking at yaself in the mirror.
0:48 Shrio is still alive!!
From what I remember he’s just doing his own thing, I think
@@sakai5088 avoiding the city as best he can otherwise he might be forced into hunter vanguard
Yeah but he didn't kill cayde6
Things that stick out: Shiro-4's report on future war cult.
Cabal possibly hiding something in Neptune's gravity well.
Crow's whistling of Savathun's Song.
Osiris lamenting the loss of Sagira and telling you to keep Ghost close.
Saladin questioning literally every decision Zavala makes and telling you that he has much more experience, then asking whose experience you trust more.
Zavala: "a truce and trust are not the same thing" in reference to Caiatl's actions.
Real guardians trust Shaxx the most.
Shaxx is possibly being slightly influenced by Savathun via the Ahamkara skull above him, I assume that Saladin might be controlled as well by Xivu Arath. His War Crime-o-meter went from 0 to a 100 real quick since the start of the new seasons.
I have a feeling that Cabal hide their civilian fleet there
That we've heard absolutely NOTHING from Lakshimi-2 after Beyond Light and The Deep Stone Crypt raid is...somewhat suspect to me...I wonder what Shiro found?
The writing and VA work this season are so good! I really hope the next few seasons keep up this quality, makes me truly care for the characters
6:17 Saladin ready can't stop talking about Rasputin. He and Ana probably don't like each other at all.
To be fair, not many people like Saladin in general.
@@DarkenedEclipse Ik I don't like saladloser. I'd much rather see his cowardly self get kicked off of his mountain and into an abyss than to have any dealings with him
He's probably still angry about the whole Siva thing that caused the rest of the Iron Lords to be wiped out
Grandpa sure knows how to hold a grudge...
@@Arkangel_ in the words of Zavala, indeed
Crow getting head from Holliday: "Guardian! How long have you been standing there?"
Interesting how no one believes Caiatl when she says she was not responsible for the attempted assassination.
well she wasn't, she had chance to kill the commander and didn't take it.
@@keithfilibeck2390 Yeah but that doesn’t mean the cast believes it. Could be a ploy, for all they know.
@@joshuasmith6909 what a surprise it would be if this was actually a 5d chess by her and she wanted to kill him.
Crow’s so innocent🤧
Even though most characters are sadly two dimensional in game compared to any writing bungie wasn’t allowed/or didn’t want to actually put into the game meaningfully, it still hurts a bit to see Zavala get a package meant for Sloane.
Maybe it’s because I’m a titan main that I feel bad that she’s either trapped or dead.
0:45 We haven't heard from Shiro in a while. I hope this line means something.
I'm hoping for a Season of the Dare, where Crow comes to terms with his past life. That would be the perfect time to bring Shiro back.
Saladin doesn’t believe that this truce will last to the next day and will be genuinely surprised if it did.
Also the quote about Rasputin is interesting, both him and Drifter pointed out that the Warmind went down like a sack of potatoes despite the hype. Perhaps that angle will be explained further?
“Prune Caiatl’s ambitions” THERE WE GO MY BOY VENEZUELA! GET THEM CABAL CHEEKS🤌🏾🤌🏾🤌🏾🤌🏾🤌🏾🤌🏾🤌🏾
0:48 yooo I am gonna go down the rabbit hole on this one.
There are so many fucking rabbit holes in destiny
The cabal is interested in Neptune
Osiris making note on how the cult of osiris is getting fascinated with a bell on mercury that can take light
A story of Ana Bray finding a bay of exos that were bound for a distant colony founded apparently by exos. One woke up and called her "a tyrant"
I fucking love the lore giving so many hints
2:44 Savathun's Song is at the top of the charts
2:15 wait a minute, thats a good point, what is up with that?
Yeah right i almost forgot about the moon because of this whole season but that's a very good point, why choose the cosmodrome when the scarlet keep is right on the moon
Not sure but maybe because the Hive on the Moon is the Hidden Swarm which is led by Crota's Spawn, which means they aren't Xivu Arath's Hive??? Idk tho
@@wisteriadrop2641 good theory but the hidden swarm and the brood of xivu arath have the same goal and that wouldnt explain why they fight the cosmodrome hive because they arent xivu araths brood soo
My theory. The force of hive in the cosmodrome is not as strong as the Hidden Swarm. This allowed the Cabal to begin bringing vengeance to the hive, but also not needed to expend as many resources. The purpose of the Battleground was to clean out the hive and earn a position on Caiatl's war council, which is why the Cosmodrome Champion decided to go after the hive. Get some vengeance, earn the Empress's favor, and get positive reputation with the fleeing Cabal people.
If they decided to attack the Hidden Swarm, they would need to establish a base close to enemy territory, defend it, and also begin to clean out the hive that is currently present on the moon. And let me remind you that these Cabal Champions do not even have a legion under their control. It would be suicide, even for the Cabal, to attack the Hidden Swarm in their current condition.
Plus, the nightmares and the pyramid ship still exist on the moon.
@@destknight4322 Yeah. Based on our attempts, they’d have to be able to fight, literally, the entire moon.
7:06
I sure do hope nothing like that happens in witch queen
Zavala: "The best time to win a war is before it starts."
Whenever someone tries to win a war before it starts, innocent people die. Every time.
2:43 Savathu’un loves cheese
Saladin probably doesn't like Mithrax either.
Shiro-4 and best faction FWC in one sentence? Hell yeah
Man this aged like milk now that almost nobody likes FWC
@@saturn6784 Well yeah after they wrote the leader to be an utter genocidal power maniac lol
Just makes me like Vuvuzala more 😁
Wait he mention Ana, where the hell is she?!
Well besides when she was bumping into her sister on Europa she's been busy tinkering with what's left of Rasputin.
She appears multiple times in beyond light in person, so she's alive.
probably too busy trying to restore rasputin/working with elsie to be an actual in game vendor.
Oh god sorry, is just I forgot about that, sorry I was busy with college stuff that I forgot about Ana appearing multiple time in the game.
She was in the running for Hunter vanguard before Crow popped in and became the duh choice, since it technically fulfills the vanguard dare.
2:42 hey that's savathuuns song
That line about Shiro on FWC hits a little harder this season
6:12 Siva? 🤔
6:00 Ladies and gentlemen, Season of the Worthy in a nutshell.
2:43 oh no
7:26 yeah sure Saladin, 'a victory is forever'. Like how the Iron Lords stopped SIVA... 'forever'. Or how we stopped the Cabal 'forever' by beating Ghaul? Or the victory over Crota leading to an escalation of the conflict when Oryx showed up? For someone so old, he sure lacks any hindsight.
This season really made me feel something about going through the red war although I wish it was more interesting.
Is it just me or is the voice actor for crow and The Dark Prince 2 different people. I would have so crows former name but I’m terrible at remembering how to spell names
Nope, still same voice actor, just another voice direction.
Uldren was a manipulated into a confident, passive aggressive asshole while Crow is far more soft spoken. Tone does wonders to a character's voice lines.
6:42 now please, SHUT UP. This is proof enough for people to realize Saladin didn't try to kill Zavala
Yea but literally the next 2 lines feel against it, maybe Saladin just sounds that way.
7.12 - well, if this isn't an obvious foreshadowing, I don't know what is...
I'm more interested in that FWC line from Crow. Maybe they'll be important in an upcoming season?
Well they are called future WAR cult. The way things are going they might side with Saladin and try to kill the cabal occupying the city
Salad man just salty no one likes his event because he hasn’t changed it in 4 years. You figure if he’s gonna sit on his ass and let us do all the fighting, he could at least make Iron Banner respect our time for a change.
Instead he’d rather bitch about how we aren’t actively digging our own grave deeper by wiping out potential allies in a fight that we are already hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned in. If he actually understood the Hive and Darkness for their true power, he wouldn’t be so eager to toss aside potential allies. He’s too used to tangible threats like the Cabal and the Fallen.
Saladin: The Warmind and a Cabal Empress at our table. Why not invite a Hive God as well.
Me with whisper of the whorm: 👁👄👁
Doesn’t sound like crow
Ohh new gun🥺 pls bungo
Sigh... I don't mind Crow. He is a good egg. It's Uldren I hate. I'd get over my hatred if I were Ikora. Right now he's a lost cinnamon roll just doing his job the best he can. Right now he seems like the type to have a mental breakdown if he were to ever find out what he did in his former life not actually do it again. That's the difference.
i’m not too caught up on crow’s lore and shit, has he been told he was Uldren?
Nope, folks uphold the taboo of speaking about a guardian former life.
It's funny how at around or near the 5:40 mark saladloser is talking about being cowards but the main coward was him. I mean really our guardians fought during the red war while all he did was hide out on his mountain. To me it's like the pot calling the kettle black cause the true coward was him
PS this is just my opinion but lord saladbin needs to just shut up and go back to wherever he hid on his mountain instead of acting like a wannabe warmonger that thinks he has a right to tell our guardians what we should do
CrowXAmanda let's goooooooo
Man, Saladin is really irritating this season.