Tech Tip: Which rest is best for you?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video I'll go over the most common rests used for both target archery and hunting. If you use a compound, chances are you have experience with one of these. My goal is to explain why one may be better suited for whatever it is you're using.
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Been using a Vapor Trail Limbdriver Pro since 2007. Zero failures.
Great Video!!! As someone that has been an Archer for 40 yrs, it's nice to be familiar with latest equipment.
I feel disappointed, he didn't mention the infamous whisker-biscuit 😂😂
Bisker Whisket :))))
My bow came with one lol. If I get out there during late bow season, I’ll be shooting with one. I want to make sure whatever accessories I get will carry over to the next bow I get.
I would trade my hamskea hunter pro in a heartbeat for a whisker biscuit. It's loud and vibrates like crazy.
I used one for years when spot and stalk. They DO WORK JUST FINE FOLKS. YEARS ago when they came out I saw a guy shoot several 300's on indoor league. Now that's plenty proof especially for hunting. There's very little chance of a hunt being ruined because of rest failure too. I have used the original Ripcord on all my hunting bows. I've only had one time issue and that's the cord was worn through and hung up the mechanism. I also use the Ripcord for 3-d too.
I just lift my pointer finger and drop when I release
I just bought a Hamskea Hybrid Hunter Pro for my old Hoyt Alphamax 32 and I love it! Your videos are great! Straight and to the point!
I've been running the Hamskea Hybrid Hunter Pro for about a year now. I was initially a little leery of how much my arrow could move around if I needed to move for turkeys, but the rest upped the performance of my 12 year old bow big time. I was going to buy a new bow, but now I'm having no problem drilling a 4" target at 50 yards. Why change a good thing? I really like the Hamskea, and it is built like a tank.
Like most newbies getting to archery; the down cable attachment is first up with the timing problems. Enter the limb driver arrow rest; all eight 8 bows installed the LIMBDRIVER arrow rests.
I did try to time my dropaway rest but there was an inherent problem with my particular set up.
I run >80lb bows- thus my archers paradox issue becomes a steering liability on the blade.
No matter which arrows I had- spine aligned and glued!
No matter if I rotated the nock, it just rotated the problem.
I gotta get off that arrow quickly.
So I compensate by running nock level instead of nock high for a gravity adjust.
(Only works with level nock travel bows)
Just in case your high poundage viewers run into some of the same issues I had. 👍
Love the vid
Also some of your viewers who run high poundage bows might find that useful too 😁
What you recommend? A vapor trail hamskea or a cable driven?
Another great, to-the-point and helpful overview!
Wish I was closer to you and your shop, my local bow shop couldn't time my QAD drop away so I made the quick decision to put a whisker biscuit on for the hunting season and go back to a drop away next year! I've heard alot of good about the vapor trail gen 7, I think that might be what I go to next year! Great videos btw definetly going to keep watching as they are very informative!!
Thanks! That's a shame they couldn't get it figured out. The Gen 7 is a great rest
Great videos for information. Some advice for the actual filming since I've noticed this a few times in the videos. The focus issue is because of your depth of field. If you are filming on a DSLR you need to check the F# number. Bump that number up a little that will help the general focus between foreground and background. Because you are so close to the camera in most of the videos the focal distance between your hands and your face is drastically different percentage wise (similar principle to zeroing between 20yds and 100yds, small misses at 20 are huge misses at 100). Again great videos, just trying to help with some small stuff that could make them a little better.
Appreciate that tsilmanav! We're still learning and always trying to get better :)
My favorite rest is the Trophy Taker Smack Down Pro, Limbdriven Dropaway
Thanks for posting this. I am primarily a hunter archer, and have wondered about why some choose limb driven rests.
Thanks Mitchell. Shoot me a comment if you have anymore comments on the subject.
Just purchased 2 Hamskea Trinity’s for both my bows. Really liking them. Been running the QAD
Witch one would you say is the better one because I am looking at Both and I can’t decide
@@Skibby-1 looking at both of them and research. The one I felt the was the best for me was the Hamskea Trinity. After reading the reviews and finally getting to see them both I felt the Hamskea was built like a tank plus if something did go wrong easy to fix in the field. They other things I liked about the Trinity is the 3 bearing system. One in the middle and one at each end to hold the arm in place to support the whole arm from end to end. Very quiet when drawing back the arrow as well. Worth the money.
Well that was good. I am looking to change my whisker biscuit. That I got when my bow was new. Looking to get more accurate at 40-50 yards if I need. . Most shots in New England will be inside that. I have a Hoyt vectrix now. May upgrade ... 💰 for my retirement. Lol.
WHISKER BUSCUIT!!!
but just the newer one
I just switched my whisker biscuit to a cable, haven’t used it yet but I am keeping the good ole WB just in case
Thanks for the great information 👍. Just what I was looking for.
Great video. Found your channel the other day. Really like the explanation videos.
Trophy taker pro is on one of my 8 bows and I love it four bows have the trinity but the trophy taker I never had a issue and it's half price of the trinity
I got the hamskea hybrid hunter great rest and solid
Great video.
Now I can understand why I'm having trouble paper tuning my obsession fxl. I have a QAD MXT drop away and I'm struggling to paper tune it.
Might look into a limb driven rest.
Thanks buddy.
hayden bannister qad’s are pretty solid. I don’t think it’s your rest
@@ElOhGeeAyEn42 thanks
Have a hunter hybrid on my bear LST and a trinity target on my elite victory.. gonna use the sort of whale take with the deep curve for a blade to help contain the arrow alittle better on draw back. Still getting used to arrows wanting to fall off blades.
Your videos always have good information
I’d love to see a video on walkback tuning!
It's coming soon! 👍
It is pointless !
@@jesusoftheapes For a guy like you that probably doesn’t know what their doing or how to tune a bow, I wouldn’t say it’s pointless
@@optimuscrime608 I've shot for Champion Archery and Bow Tech . thanks though.
@@optimuscrime608 People like you assume to much about others. You can f around wasting time with constant tweaking your bow all the time or you can set it up right then focus on shooting well by practicing form and proper shooting technique. I would rather shoot targets and onto meat when the tags are fillable than f around with nonsense like you choose to focus on. That does not make me a unadvanced shooter and I am sure I would shoot you under the table and would put money down on any contest you wish to initiate. I tune my bow and all that but after I am done I shoot targets until the meat is legal and could care less about constantly fucking with my bow like you. Insulting someone because you would rather spend time hunting paper is just stupid. You do you and I'll kill game while you do it.
Have you done a video on what walk-back tuning is? I have heard you mention it but I'm not familiar with what it is or how to do it. Or even IF I should do it.
It's in the works!
I'm still pretty new to archery, and after watching this I'm wondering why you'd want a cable driven instead of a limb driven drop away. Seems like a no brainer but I didn't really know much about them.
some older bows dont have split limbs so there isnt really anywhere to mount to the limb
Limb driven rests are harder to tune.
What's the best peap for a guy like me?I ware glasses and want a peap with large field of view where I can see my pins better?
I ran a qad for years until it broke. I switched to a limb driver. Now this could be just in my head but it seems to me the limb driver releases the arrow faster than the qad.
Awesome video's 👍😎
Hi mate I’ve been watching your vids for a while. You’re traverse review is the best on TH-cam. I have just bought a traverse bare and am looking for a rest. I live nearly 3 hours to nearest shop so can’t really try. I figure you’ve set up vapour trails and hamskea hybrid hunter micro tunes on a few traverse bows at the shop. Do both of these rests work ok with a q lite 2 piece quiver? I want to be sure. Also do you ship to Australia?
Odd how there is not more love for the Axion Pulse. Limb Driven, always up, and no re-cocking.
Can you do a review on the new Vapor Trail gen 7x ?
I really want to try one of these.
Whisker biscuit all day why complicate things😊
if you don't know why then you wouldn't understand
@@MountainGuerrilla oh I do know they give you 4 to 6 ft per second faster than a whisker biscuit there supposed to be more accurate I'll just keep killing deer with my whisker biscuit been eating good
Biskit wears vanes out. It helps if you keep it lubricated.
Agree with biscuit for hunting, and I make things even less complicated by shooting with fingers. But target archery and trying to drill a bulls eye consistently at distance requires much more attention to detail.
@@mikearcuri406 I now hunt with a drop away lol
Im having issues with my Hoyt Spyder and paper tuning with the my new trophy taker lock up limb driven. I cant seem to get rid of a high tail tear, Ive had suggestions from archerytalk to adjust the internal tension springs to soften the launcher. But its sounds like it could just be a timing issue from how you described being able to move where the cable sits on the limb. How exactly does that work? And yes ive done everything as far as changing nocking points micro adjusting the rest up. I was shooting bullet holes with my QAD before I switched and am well versed in tuning. Any suggestions would be great!
I got a QAD drop away just like the one you used in the video and have somehow lost one of the 2 tiny bolts that hold the launcher fork to the rod it attaches to. I’ve looked all over and have no clue where I could find one. Any suggestions?
I’d go to a local archery shop, they probably have an old or broken rest that they could steal one of off
Hamskea hamskea hamskea... I won't even use anything else for a rest anymore.
Awesome explanation, thanks a ton
im got idea for better than all them ! take it free- idea: Rat trap ! nose of arrow will set off trap as let go /used for target only.
Not sure I’m tracking lol???
QUESTION;> will the hunting drop-away rest still work with an target bow if your just planning on shooting for fun?
Yeah for sure
@@InsideOutPrecision thanks just got the post. I am not a hunter and bought an NXT 31 after seeing Steve Hanns & your review. I want to upgrade to an supra focus for tighter groupings but will be losing money on my resell, so I need to use every piece of equipment I have now plus the next stimulus check LOL 🏹🤠👍.
Are you implying that the rest SHOULD be in contact with the arrow as long as possible? New to this and figured the opposite... watching lots of your vide
Yeah you want us much support from the rest as possible while still having it drop soon enough to avoid any contact with you vanes
I have 4 bows with the TT Smackdown Pro all connected to the down cable for hunting. They work well this way for me and I like the shorter cord used vs a long cord connected to a limb that could possibly snag on something during a stalk. Is there any issues you’ve seen connecting limb driven rests this way?
I have an RX-3 coming soon and am torn between the Hamskea HHP and the Gen 7. Haven't made a decision yet, but hear that the whale tale on the Hamskea wears out? Maybe look into a Trinity with the new coating on the launcher? Great videos!
I have the hamskea rest they wear a little but stop after awhile says that it the manual also it's supposed to wear a little i shot well over 1000 arrows through it and still use the original whale tale with no problems but you can buy a metal launcher with no plastic cover for it they make different styles of tails also you won't regret buying one also can be set up as a limb driven or cable rest just feels like a solid well made rest and you can unscrew the cage for it if you want plus you get a lifetime warranty and don't think the Trinity would be a different coating same tail as the others
It does ever so slightly. We actually made a cut out at the shop from thin felt that we put over the launcher and that seems to stop it.
The Trinity is amazing. A little bulky, but sets the bar, technically speaking. The only real downside is that it sticks out from the riser a considerable distance, causing contact with arrows being held in your quiver (on a hunting set up) for some bows.
i bought a trophy taker like that and it brok epretty quick
Yeah they’re garbage now. The company sold in 2016 and they suck now
Had 2 QADs but with my 27” draw no one could stop the fletching contact.
So I stick to the boring old biscuit.
Go to a limb driven drop away. There's no way for it to NOT get out of the way In time.
Ozzie Jim the biscuit contacts your fletching way to much too. Get something like a vapor trail limb driver pro v. They are fantastic rests.
I have a 27.5” draw and I’m having the SAME issue with my QAD integrated. Going with a Hamskea Trinity Hunter instead.
I'm having the same isue with contact with my QAD HDX.....so much contact its eaten a groove on the launcher. Evan Owen at QAD has been so bad at customer service... they are ignoring my emails. Time to move to Hamskea! Why is this such a problematic problem with QAD. I've heard so many people with the same problem....and you pay a premium price for this drop away!
So I've herd a rumor that you can install a elastic cord on a cable driven rest to get arrow support longer. Have you ever done anything like this?
Why do you think bow manufactures (Hoyt and Mathews) are going to interstates rest mounts? More specifically cable driven systems if what you say about cable vs limb is correct? I just bought a intergrated QAD mx for my Hoyt and am kinda having buyers remorse after watching this....
I found a used Trophy Taker Smackdown Pro online but the seller isn't sure if it's made in the USA. He says he got it with his bow back in June 2016. How can I tell if it's the "old one" before Dan sold the company? Thanks
Thanks bro. Really informative
Thank you!
Purchased a new bow, came with a QAD hdx. Ive not had tuning issues like my older bows. (I can get bare shafts to hit with fletched arrows at 40 yards on a calm day.) Would I benefit by switching it out to a limb driven rest or should i just keep running the QAD and not touch anything?
If it’s shooting well I’d just roll with it
Great video, I was leaning towards the cable driven rest specifically made for my new Mathews but think I will stick with my limb driven vapor trail. Is there a specific model that can have the cord tie into the lower limb? The cord seems to smack the quiver mount when it ties into the upper limb. Thanks.
The Vaportrail gen 7x has a roller to allow the bottom limb to be used. I haven't tried it out yet but it should be solid.
Will all of the limb driven rests mentioned work with the Mathews Q-Lite two piece quiver?
If vanes are hitting your drop-away rest, isn't that a rest timing issue?
What rest would you recommend for the Prime Black 3 ?. Use 70% target and 30% hunting.
Hamskea hybrid pro
I'm looking for a limb driven rest for my PSE X-Force. I use this bow for hunting, so full containment is a must. Which rest would you prefer between the trophy taker, hamskea, or vapor trail? Looking for something easy to tune, micro adjust isnt a must. Thanks for your help!
I know you were asking him but Hamskea all day!!
@@rtk90083 I got the Hamskea, not sure how I ever shot my bow without one before! lol
My hamskea hunter pro is loud and vibrates like crazy. It's ruining my VXR experience. Anything I can do to help this. I hate that rest.
The knobs for the micro adjust can rattle if they're not tightened. If you do that and its still making noise, then its not set up right. Hard to say without seeing it though. Ive set up hundreds of them and have never had an issue with noise.
I've been using the Ultrarest HDX for a long time, but thinking about using the Hamskea or the Smackdown, any preference between the two?
I'd go with the Hamskea personally. While it's rare, I've seen the spring in the trophy taker fail. Haven't seen one Hamskea come back with any issues
If a limb driven rest starts coming up 3" into my draw then it will also be driven down into the down position 3" from string stop upon release correct? I ask because it sounded like you were saying you could tune drop time independent of lift time.
Correct, sorry for the confusion.
@@InsideOutPrecision Thanks for clarifying! So should you always try to get your rest to come down as late as possible & still clear the fletching? Or is there a certain distance for maximum forgiveness?.... Sorry for the extra question.
@@MrWhiltetail yeah you want it to support the arrow as long as possible but still get full clearance
Hamskea Epsilon game over.
I know this is an old video but I’m in the market for a new rest...I’m shooting the VXR and currently using the QAD HDX and the issue is I can’t get my rest to 13/16 from the riser...I’m assuming because the VXR has such a wide riser...my rest can’t move any further left...I’m tearing just a hair tail right...I switched out the top hats on the top and that made it better...still a little right...switched out the top hats on the bottom and it tore tail left...I could fix it by moving the rest to the right but then it gets pretty far from 13/16...basically, I need a rest that will get me to 13/16 center shot from the riser. What’s my best bet?
You can get it to 13/16. Just gotta move the launcher to the left on the bar it's attached to.
Just purchased my Mathews V3X 29 and it's accessory time - looking for maximizing accuracy in my hunting set-up for long-range practice and 3D - is the Vapor Trail still a top pick or is there another "do-all" rest that I has the top spot all-around?
No stay away from vapor trail. If you got the V3x, put the Hamskea Epsilon on it. Best rest on the market.
@@InsideOutPrecision awesome will do. Choosing micro dia arrows are next!
@@InsideOutPrecision One cuestion. If I set my rest and cord in right place, and can see that after, put my tape in the sight, 3 hours doing this work to put perfect, i see the cord is not too toght. If I squeeze or tighten the cord, i loose all work sght tape, because understand the imapact point gone a be to change, or not? thank you very much.
@@DeiGoni just tighten the cord. Won’t effect your point of impact
I am interested the the Trophy Taker Smackdown Pro, the Vapor Trail Gen7, or the QAD HDx for my Diamond SB-1. Have you installed any of these on an SB-1? I saw another TH-cam video where a guy had the HDx on his SB-1 and it was just loudly slapping the arrow shelf every time. I am leaning towards the Smackdown Pro or the Vapor Trail after watching your video.
Not specifically on the SB-1, but the Vapor Trail or SmackDown will both give you better results than the QAD. Cable driven rest are louder, fail often, and don't support the arrow as long. Really a no brainer in my opinion!
@Inside Out Precision Thanks! I had a clearance issue with a NAP Nighthawk and don't want to make the same mistake again. Any preference on the Smackdown or the Vapor Trail at the moment?
Will a rest like the hamskea work for spot and stalks? I’m worried it will clank around a lot
Yes, I use it and a lot of hunters I follow who know a lot more than I do use and recommend it as well. I think the pros outweigh the cons. I got the hamskea because just about every archery hunting channel I watch recommends it.
What do you think of the trophy taker smackdown lock up. I have one but dont trust it after I shoot 4 to 5 arrows it stays up about 1/8 then I adjust it again and shoot and it's up again did everything already. Should got a hamskea rest
Yeah we got some in and stopped selling them for that exact reason. Trophy Taker made great stuff until Dan sold the company a few years ago. They've been going downhill ever since. I love my Hamskea, definitely recommend it.
@@InsideOutPrecision thank you.
"If you're a youth or a woman, you only have 26inch draw length" nah I'm just a dude with stubs for fucking arms
Love my vapor trail Pro V. I have beat the crap out of it for the last 5 years. Full capture, no worries, never had an actuation cord problem, pad on the V bar is still holding up, I don't have to worry about cocking the damn thing or a loose cord getting caught on something and screwing up the timing on like on a cable driven rest. This vid has 1.6K thumbs up as of now and only 62 thumbs down. I am sure the QAD guys are the downers, LOL.
What do you think about the Trophy ridge HXL? Not much on information on them.
We got a bunch of them to put on kit bows and sent them all back because they didn't drop fast enough and the vanes would contact. We tried timing it every way possible and couldn't get it to work consistently
Any experience with the newer Ripcord limb drivens? Drive and Lok?? Thanks in advance!
I only installed 2, and one came back broken a week later. Not sure if it was just a fluke, but if they're anything like the cable driven version I wouldn't use it!
Hey...I have a Vaportrail 7x, where has the guided vane has to be? Left or up?
Doesn't matter cuz the launcher is down by the time the vanes get to it.
@@InsideOutPrecision thanks mate
are they discontinuing the smackdown pro click version?
@ Bull Are they?!! I have the pro click and I love it. Where did you hear this?
Does it have to be picked back up?
I just use a good old qAd
Any chance you have any U.S. made Smackdowns for sale? :-)
where is your shop located? I would love to go and have you go thru my whole bow setup
We're in Springfield OR
www.thebowrack.com/
What part of PA? Just moved out to Fayette county.
Please do a video on the Whisker Biscuit.
Not much to say about a Whisker Biscuit. It's a very basic rest. Really limited in terms of being able to tune it.
@@InsideOutPrecision It adjusts right and left and up and down. What more do you need? It supports the arrow even longer than a limb driven. I'm confused by your response.
@@stevethedude8740 Its a full contact rest for the entire shot cycle. Let's say you bow is shooting tail right; when the nock of you arrow gets to the whisker, there isn't enough mass behind it to keep it tail right, so it kicks off the right wall of the rest and actually kicks the opposite way (left). Same if you're getting a tail high tear though paper. Usually is because the back of the arrow kicks off the rest as it passes through, showing you a tail high tear. If you move the nock down or the rest up ( like you should for sed tear) it will actually get worse. Most whisker biscuit will tune better with your nock about an ¼" above level. There's a reason you will never see a whisker biscuit on a target bow
Whish rest do you recommend for 3d and hunting that is not to noisy.
Either that Hamskea hunter hybrid pro or the vapor trail Gen7!
K thanks
Hey, great videos! They have really helped me fine tune my hunting setup and understand why the adjustments work. One issue I am still having is my rest. I have the QAD Hunter (The cheapo). My bow is a PSE X-force Decree, 70#, Axle to Axle 31", and an IBO of 355 (Never shot through a chronograph my bow so i dont know true speed), Shoot roughly a 440 grain arrow at 30" draw length. My question is I am having a hard time getting my arrows to not hit my rest. I can tell its hitting because the felt is being cut by my fletchings. Could it be that the bow is just too fast for this low-end rest? Is it because its cable driven instead of limb driven? Maybe the launcher is bouncing back up? Another weird thing is my arrows melt the felt on the launcher arm, which makes me believe the rest isnt falling fast enough and there is a lot of arrow contact. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated! I would drive to the shop and hash it out with you, but I live in Madison WI, its a bit of a drive...
Most likely to need more tension in the rest cord. Its not droppimg because its not pulling past the little block that keeps it up when its at rest.
Man, look at all those nice bucks killed with a flashlight and bow & arrow at night.
Haha that seems like it would make things even more difficult
Has anybody ever told you that you look like Baker Mayfield?
I agree. It’s been bugging me for a month or so. I realized he resembles Baker last week. The beard helps.
I like my limb driven drop aways....how about y'all, limb or cable driven??
Christian Albert I ran a limb driver for years, but they are not popular down south. Everybody is a cable driven qad guy here. Every time I had an issue the tech would alway blame my “crappy limb driven rest”.... because they knew nothing about them. So I’m stuck using what the shops are most willing to work on. But I swear a limb driver is better than a qad
Hamskea Hamskea Hamskea!!!!!
If you ever see a slow motion vid of blade rest, you will throw yours away and never use a blade rest again:)
Still the most popular rest amongst pro's!
Those cable rests are crap. WTH? WAY WAY over engineered. That’s insane. Killed over 10 deer with a good old flipper rest. Technology is not all that. Geez
To each his own. Flipper rests are designed to shoot with fingers. There's a huge increase in accuracy with a drop away rest if you shoot a release. The days of being satisfied with a group the size of a paper plate at 50 yards are long gone for most modern archers.
They're literally the next simplest thing you can get, aside from a flipper. It's literally just a spring loaded launcher that drops when it's connected to a cable.