I want information on the ABS panel. I've read a lot about mice and other rodents destroying the inside of Master Spas and a few others. Does the vacuform ABS help prevent this?
Unfortunately, I don't think they properly water-test all their tubs. I bought one and it arrived with 2 jets not working. (no water flow at all) According to their website they do a 100-point water test inspection on every tub, how can this happen? Sad but everyone wants to make products fast and sell them. We finally got a whole new tub to replace it after 9 months! The replacement has a defect too! The controller turns the pumps on high at random times. I don't think I have the energy to deal with them again.🤕
Not just rot but expanding and shrinking let alone inconsistent cuts and warping , top brands learned the hard way years ago and now use composite frames
@@firerock1611 I'm in metro Detroit so we have just about everything. We don't have Wellis, but just about all the others. MS, Jacuzzi, cal spa, bullfrog, viking, Sundance, artesian.
@@Davjd_E funny you mentioned Wellis as it’s one I have been following as I like how they are made but most of all the price and ease of serving in if needed , bullfrog is good if you get the right series and same with Hot Springs , artesian is going thru some problems right now so no go for me and Sundance is one I never cared for as lots of reasons why. If you can’t get a Wellis I would go with entry level bullfrog as they are over priced on the upper line up with just bells and whistles that are not important, same with Hot Springs, you can’t go wrong with either one as they usually have the top dealers and both companies stand behind their products
I've seen them at a convention center near me, would like to know when they will return but it goes unanswered. It must be private information, like they don't want us to know.
I use a jet cleaner prior to changing my water out then a sump pump to empty it. After that, I have an electric cleaning machine in which the head rotates and I use just shower cleaner to clean mine and rinse and towel dry well. I then refill and change out my filters at that time to new ones also. I then test the water and do the chemicals as needed and in a day or two ready to go again for 3-4months
How is full foam easier to find a leak and easier to repair, than a hot tub that has insulated panels and everything inside is visible? I understand the R-value will increase just not sold on the repairs and leak locating.
That’s a good point but there is more to it. First, as someone with many years fixing leaks, they are actually easier to find with full foam as long as the full foam is open cell non-hardening foam. You simply trace the wet foam right to the source of leak without having to try and see where it’s dripping from, excavate the wet foam with just your hands, repair and re-foam. The closed cell foam that hardens is another story altogether because you need a damn hammer and chisel to get the stuff out, absolute nightmare. The second benefit to full foam is that the pumps and pack are isolated from the heat of the tub instead of being trapped in that 100+ degree environment which means cooler operation and longer life
I thought air was the best insulator I have an old Morgan spa with no insulation and it keeps it heat better than my neighbors dynasty spa that’s foamed My Morgan is about 3/4 to 1 inch thick if fiberglass (old school stuff) with insulated panels maybe that’s the difference
I think we have different definitions of premium. Premium is pressure treated 2x4's, not painted 2x2's. That stuff will start to rot in 3 years of ground contact. Also, that black plastic bottom is a joke.
@@jayfez8241 the only reason for full foam is to add structural support to a poor design like cheap wood and thin shells , better built spas use thermo locking design to trap heat and ease of repair with lower operating cost of tub
The year, the summer of 1989.. I already had a six string and the weather was mighty fine.. The year I grew my hair.. adventures seemed the things in line.. and Barbara..well, that bell, even now, rings from time to time. Sailing.. Hope you got off from the Jedi , wind is warm, your gal and your wine.. 🍺😎
I see nothing different from the Destiny River we bought 12 years ago. Other than the overwhelming paise you present. The lower wood still rots like any other cheap spa.
Guy whacks jets into tub with mallet "this is the future and is way better than precise torque setting". Way too much reliance on human labor. Guy is hand spraying the ester resin on overhead and blind with no tool balancer, this will result in non-uniform application. Foam spray guy eyeballs foam expansion. Wood frame with cheap tolerances and trusses. They use hand-push dolleys instead of conveyence systems. Obviously hand-applied messy plumbing glue and no clamps on smaller lines. No automated quality. Didn't show drilling but probably a guy with a drill. Dirty plant with no LEAN, visual management, 5S. Typical markings of rust-belt manufacturing. Compare this to videos of the new Wellis manufactury. I was honestly sold by HTU's recommendations of Master Spa until watching this video.
The use of wood in hot tubs still seems primitive to me, even though most still do it. And that twisted mess of hoses and manifolds. Uggg. There needs to be more innovation. Boats, RV’s, Hot Tubs, etc. are boom and bust industries. I think we are at the start of another bust. There was a lot of junk cranked out during the pandemic boom, and those guilty of it will pay the price. If tarifs are implemented there are going to be lots of casualties in the US and Canada.
They are using truss plates because it's faster, they make more money. Not saying they are inferior, to nails at all, but let's not kid ourselves...
I want information on the ABS panel. I've read a lot about mice and other rodents destroying the inside of Master Spas and a few others. Does the vacuform ABS help prevent this?
Wonder what the best brand is in and around Halifax NS Area?
obviously this guy is full of it. He is a slick fast talking salesman and says whatever supports the company he is making money off of. What a shame.
Unfortunately, I don't think they properly water-test all their tubs. I bought one and it arrived with 2 jets not working. (no water flow at all) According to their website they do a 100-point water test inspection on every tub, how can this happen? Sad but everyone wants to make products fast and sell them. We finally got a whole new tub to replace it after 9 months! The replacement has a defect too! The controller turns the pumps on high at random times. I don't think I have the energy to deal with them again.🤕
At least your particular dealer replaced the tub. I own a Marquis & it's Good but next spa will be a Nordic.
What are your thoughts on Dimension 1 spas?
Quality.
Those wood frames look like there is room for improvement. No pressuare-treated wood, truss plates, and staples as fasteners.
Right. The higher end tubs don’t even have wood in the frame anymore because it rots.
Not just rot but expanding and shrinking let alone inconsistent cuts and warping , top brands learned the hard way years ago and now use composite frames
So a frame built with wood is a good thing!? What about rot? Aren’t higher end tubs replacing wood frames with composite?
After 45 years in the spa biz and touring over 25 factories I can tell you most all manufacturers build them just like this but better
Which brand would you recommend today?
@@Davjd_E : what brands are sold in your area as you want a reputable dealer to begin with
@@firerock1611 I'm in metro Detroit so we have just about everything. We don't have Wellis, but just about all the others. MS, Jacuzzi, cal spa, bullfrog, viking, Sundance, artesian.
@@Davjd_E funny you mentioned Wellis as it’s one I have been following as I like how they are made but most of all the price and ease of serving in if needed , bullfrog is good if you get the right series and same with Hot Springs , artesian is going thru some problems right now so no go for me and Sundance is one I never cared for as lots of reasons why. If you can’t get a Wellis I would go with entry level bullfrog as they are over priced on the upper line up with just bells and whistles that are not important, same with Hot Springs, you can’t go wrong with either one as they usually have the top dealers and both companies stand behind their products
@@firerock1611 thanks, what do you think about Cal Spa?
I bought a Masterspa yesterday because of this video
Don't buy a wood frame folks. I've designed aircraft parts for a living and the last thing you want is wood for a base structure.
What about the Mosquito bomber in WWII? 😉
Do you have any videos on how Bueno Spas are made?
I've seen them at a convention center near me, would like to know when they will return but it goes unanswered. It must be private information, like they don't want us to know.
Wood frames so old school. 🤔
After I drain my hot tub how should I clean it?
I use a jet cleaner prior to changing my water out then a sump pump to empty it. After that, I have an electric cleaning machine in which the head rotates and I use just shower cleaner to clean mine and rinse and towel dry well. I then refill and change out my filters at that time to new ones also. I then test the water and do the chemicals as needed and in a day or two ready to go again for 3-4months
That is a lot of plumbing. I have to say I am more impressed with BullFrog due to their efficient plumbing and no wood used.
How is full foam easier to find a leak and easier to repair, than a hot tub that has insulated panels and everything inside is visible? I understand the R-value will increase just not sold on the repairs and leak locating.
That’s a good point but there is more to it. First, as someone with many years fixing leaks, they are actually easier to find with full foam as long as the full foam is open cell non-hardening foam. You simply trace the wet foam right to the source of leak without having to try and see where it’s dripping from, excavate the wet foam with just your hands, repair and re-foam. The closed cell foam that hardens is another story altogether because you need a damn hammer and chisel to get the stuff out, absolute nightmare.
The second benefit to full foam is that the pumps and pack are isolated from the heat of the tub instead of being trapped in that 100+ degree environment which means cooler operation and longer life
@@ChrisWheatley Fair enough, so this foam is a huge improvement over the old style foam. This makes sense.
I thought air was the best insulator
I have an old Morgan spa with no insulation and it keeps it heat better than my neighbors dynasty spa that’s foamed
My Morgan is about 3/4 to 1 inch thick if fiberglass (old school stuff) with insulated panels maybe that’s the difference
I think we have different definitions of premium. Premium is pressure treated 2x4's, not painted 2x2's. That stuff will start to rot in 3 years of ground contact. Also, that black plastic bottom is a joke.
@@jayfez8241 the only reason for full foam is to add structural support to a poor design like cheap wood and thin shells , better built spas use thermo locking design to trap heat and ease of repair with lower operating cost of tub
To bad there is No Master Spa dealer in Albuquerque, NM!
The year, the summer of 1989..
I already had a six string
and the weather was mighty fine..
The year I grew my hair..
adventures seemed the things in line..
and Barbara..well, that bell, even now, rings from time to time.
Sailing.. Hope you got off from the Jedi , wind is warm, your gal and your wine..
🍺😎
I see nothing different from the Destiny River we bought 12 years ago. Other than the overwhelming paise you present. The lower wood still rots like any other cheap spa.
Wood framing is old school. Composite is the way to go. Termites love wood not composite.
epoxy is better than vinylester..
Guy whacks jets into tub with mallet "this is the future and is way better than precise torque setting". Way too much reliance on human labor. Guy is hand spraying the ester resin on overhead and blind with no tool balancer, this will result in non-uniform application. Foam spray guy eyeballs foam expansion. Wood frame with cheap tolerances and trusses. They use hand-push dolleys instead of conveyence systems. Obviously hand-applied messy plumbing glue and no clamps on smaller lines. No automated quality. Didn't show drilling but probably a guy with a drill. Dirty plant with no LEAN, visual management, 5S. Typical markings of rust-belt manufacturing. Compare this to videos of the new Wellis manufactury.
I was honestly sold by HTU's recommendations of Master Spa until watching this video.
The use of wood in hot tubs still seems primitive to me, even though most still do it. And that twisted mess of hoses and manifolds. Uggg. There needs to be more innovation. Boats, RV’s, Hot Tubs, etc. are boom and bust industries. I think we are at the start of another bust. There was a lot of junk cranked out during the pandemic boom, and those guilty of it will pay the price. If tarifs are implemented there are going to be lots of casualties in the US and Canada.
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