It's interesting because even though I'm fairly certain I have intuition as a savior, I have moments where it would seem to be a demon, where I feel paralyzed about making a decision because I don't have enough facts. But every time, I end up going "screw the facts, what is the big picture?" And then later on whenever I come back to a decision in a similar vein, I don't bother with the sensory any more. So like the first time I bought a car I was overwhelmed with all these stupid little details, but I imagine the next time I buy one I won't do much sensory research at all.
D.H. Everybody uses all functions, it’s just that N saviors / S demons will constantly dismiss S in favor of N. Like 90% of the time. Cue the concept of 90/10 savior/demon imbalance that Dave always talks about
>where I feel paralyzed about making a decision because I don't have enough facts. That's you jumping on Se and overdoing it (while normal Se/Ni people or the reverse, that have those in the middle, are more balanced and do not have huge swings), essentially having tidal waves and a swing. We all do this all or nothing with our inferiors and end up running back to our saviors...
Screw the facts i have enough to go on is NI. Its our blessing and our curse. To hell with Se my Ni is 90% accurate is basically what your saying. Saviors running amuck
My ISTJ boss has serious issues with Ne-Fi (Consume) things: thought his wife is going to leave him because his mom got in an argument with her (she didn't leave and they are on better terms now), someone doesn't have time to do him a special favor so he assumes they're plotting against him (there was no plot), thought his daughter's boyfriend was going to dump her because he makes more money than she does (they ended up getting engaged). Jumping to one bad conclusion after another and living in fear of it. Another ISTJ co-worker of mine has his issues with Ne-Te (Play), falling for every single conspiracy theory imaginable and being easily persuaded into any big picture explanation of something In both cases, they have an unrealistic assessment of how the known information fits in with the unknown. They somehow become convinced that a low-probability possibility is absolutely certain.
Huh, I'd thought based on the video, your boss is actually a saviour inituitor. It seems like he's making a lot of unsubstantiated guesses which is exactly what demon intuition doesn't do... Like he would have the opposite problem. A truckload of evidence for his wife cheating or something, but "he can never be too sure". Jumping to conclusions is seen as a single observer, saviour intuition problem.
I'm an ISFJ and at 2:09 I felt so exposed coz last year, I bought a new phone and I did the exact same thing ignoring my inferior Ne and using my Dominant Si to make my research on the facts. To me it's the fear of the unknown and not wanting to make a mistake that I could have avoided if I just follow facts. 😂😂😂
That last line hits especially hard...makes me think that I have demon tertiary intuition & yet, I can't go all in because I don't have a clear, visible, "written" result!
Afraid to fail at their demons? That's a helpful yardstick. I'm afraid to fail at fact and data gathering. I know it's necessary but I find it so anxiety provoking that it is effectively a mental block. Hypothesising, on the other hand, is easy.
"Make 10 guesses" Hmm... sure... I guess we're so used to hypothesizing rather than guessing. It's hard coming up with an idea that feels worthwhile without feeling like there are enough facts (INTP)
So, at about 1:14.. Is that a conversation in their own Se dom head? Or.. Another person with the same 1st & last functions, but in a more healthy/reasonable state? Or, an opposite type (with savior Ni & demon Se)?
What do you think about the theory that the people who are typed with their 3rd function as a savior are actually in a "Loop" and are seeking our typing because they're in a "rut" and want help/answers? Just a theory.
Sensors do great in some areas while intuitors excel in others. Sensors need proof for everything while intuitors jump to conclusions right away. So when I am searching for something as an intuitor, I will tend to dismiss and rule out areas very quickly (oh, my keys couldn't have been in the kitchen, there is no reason for me to put my keys there) whereas Sensors will search every nook and cranny (could the keys be in the kitchen? I normally wouldn't put it there but it might have been a mistake). Turns out that intuitors are more efficient (filtering out possibilities) whereas sensors are more wasteful (going through every detail).
By your definition sensors aren't more wasteful but more accurate... Since you know they don't make assumptions but actually go and look at the facts(which takes more time than simply intuiting) ...
Hm, I don't know if I using N as a savior or a demon. I always read that intuition means to ask why? what if? and sensing what is? People who use intuition always write that they mainly look at possibilities and the future, how it could be also if it doesn't seems to fit with the known reality and sensors would just look at the known reality and don't think in alternative ways. So if someone thinks "It also could be this way, what if it changed" also if the facts doesn't support that perspective, does this mean he/she prefers intuition as a savior? I was always a person who thinks in terms of possibilitys and hope so as example, I believe that a world without war could be possible but all people in my enviroment say it would never be possible because there has always been war. So, this was an example about how I think and look at things mainly and so I was always called a dreamer and naive because I always see the good in people and can easily forgive. I also want to understand people and know there are reasons beneath the surface behaviour why they act like this. So, I'm a bit confused about this N/S thing and hope someone can help me :)
SensitiveBreath your example about no war clear to me that you may have dom F as first faction , so if you really want to know your self let me ask you this : are you realistic person or in your mind you far away from reality and lost in imagination world (most of times) when you go with your friends that you like , do you consider your self energetic person from outside or more clam are you messy person in somehow or you very organized answer this and i will tell you
SNAKE IX Thank you for your response and your help :) I also thought that I may could have dom F but I'm really insecure because I don't know if I'm a decider or observer :/ and after Daves video about demon thinking I'm even more insecure because it isn't a big matter for me to reasoning for others why I don't value/like or value/like something if I myself know the reason :) I think also an T dom could wish that there isn't war anymore and believe that it is possible :) 1. I would say that I'm not a very realistic person and I would always called a dreamer, naive and that I'm unrealistic with my idealistic thinking, my ideas what I want do in the future and so on. Hm, I would say that I'm more a calm person. I can be energetic and talk vividly, can be goofy but just in a group with good friends but I think that I'm rather calm but friendly and warm but I can be very reserved when I'm upset. It isn't easy for me to describe myself because I'm very insecure. Ok, this also isn't easy. I'm not very organized but also I'm not a absolut messy person. I hate things how paperwork and so on and I'm a bit chaotic but I'll clean up if it is really necessary. I like a clean environment. But I don't like this everyday activities, somehow this "normal" life bores me, I want live a special life with a deep meaning.
Cliven Longsight Thank you for your help and your response :) Hm, I don't know if I'm a double observer or double decider :/ Because I'm a very insecure person in terms of myself so I don't know if my thinking is linear or lateral because I'm not sure if I really understand what it means :( So I don't know if I think in individual facts or trends of facts. Can you perhaps give me examples and questions who relate to your questions here so that I'm able to answer this? I just feel so stupid that I can't answer these questions, I'm sorry. English also isn't my native language which is why it is even more difficult. I don't have any selfesteem and I suffer because I'm always think that I'm really stupid and dumb :( Who am I? I have an identitycrisis and I think it comes from my childhoodtrauma, my father was/is alcoholaddicted. One question I can respond to is these with clumpsiness. I'm a clumpsy person so I often stumble over low edges as example. I was almost run over by the car once because I was deep in thought. That people don't get along with my ideas I thought would be up to that that they see them as unrealistic. So they understand what I'm saying but look always on the "what is now/how it was in the past" and then calling me unrealistic because it always was this way so it can't be changed. As example if I say that a world without war would be possible someday than all my friends or familymembers say that it would be wonderful but it will never be like this because there has always been war. Or quickly condemn people based on there behavior but don't want to look beneath the surface or consider that every person has reasons for how they behave and so don't try to understand the why. I also give people always a chance because I believe in the potential and good of people.
SensitiveBreath i think i got it , i believe you are ESFJ which is Fe Si Ne Ti , i got this result from many factors here that no need to talk about it otherwise it will be long page haha, so it seems you like real life and don't know what imagination mean to other personalities so this make you S not N, and the reason why you found my questions was hard because your weakness is Ti , and one of the reasons why i figure it out fast because i have a lot of ESFJ's in my family they are very practical and also very emotional and they see the world from these principles , please read about ESFJ and ISFJ you going to see your self in one of 2 but most likely ESFJ ;)
SNAKE IX Thank you for your help :) Hm, I don't like the real life and with the imagination I don't know how you come to that conclusion. Of course it is just your assumption and I'm unsure about my type but the problem is that I can find me in all descriptons of all types somehow :/ But I will consider your typing and think about it :)
In summary: people with Demon Intuition can take a guess (or lots of guesses) as the excessive gathering of facts may distract from important abstract or big picture information that may need to be considered.
Ooof! Tell yourself "It's OK to fail at my demon". This just saved my life with Fi inferior. Jesus. Be my therapist lol. For real though. Thats gonna be my secret mantra for now on
We all use intuition. You start with the intuition part because that gives you a lead, but you feel obligated to get all the facts on the table before you make a decition. Ergo, you favor you Se. The Ni doesn't care about the facts. If you would have favored Ni over Se, you would have made a guess REGARDLESS of wether or not you had all of the facts. but you use Ni nontheless because it's in your functionstack.
The Se inferior guy explaining how dominant Se works based on his assessment as the opposite is cute & well appreciated :) It's more like: "Sit down & research more 'facts' & 'theories!?' No no no.. *FK* that! Let's DO more things & experience Reality for what it *is* ... THEN, let our intuition sort it out naturally in the 'flow.'" ( *almost eats sh!t on the 1st rail slide run because he forgot to tighten his wheels... does a ninja roll to safety instead* )
So, if someone has Ne or Ni as first or second function in the function stack but it is a demon, does this mean that this person is a so called sensor? Does the order of the functions doesn't play a role in determine the type? How can you figure out that N is the first or second function if it is your demon function? Sry, my english isn't my native language.
SensitiveBreath your first function will always be a savior. But your second function can be a demon. For example an entj or an infp can have savior S.
Cliven Longsight Thanks for your response :) Is it because of that that Daves system makes it possible that you, as example could have Fi as first and Ni as second function where Ni also is your savior? In this case Te and Se are the demons but which type would it be? An Intj or Istj? Sry if I don't understand it really well, english isn't my native language.
SensitiveBreath no i always disagree with dave about some personalities can have 2 introverted factions or 2 extroverted one after another , this clearly break the balance in any person , anyone who have first faction as introvert faction will be introverted person same apply to extrover faction when it come first , so if someone have 2 introverted factions just like you said Fi Ni , do you understand he will become extremely introverted !! or become an alien more or less that this won't allow him to understand any simple thing in reality , this will destroy this person in early age when he start develops his/her first 2 factions
INTJ, same. I'm absolutely incompatible with someone who has demon N. I can spot them instantly too. Just say something quirky that makes everyone else in the room laugh...but not them. They just look at you like they're offended. They're straight up-and-down, black and white. No sense of humour, no imagination. I'm pretty sure they're where the"Karen" meme came from. Especially if they deem themselves cops, i.e: are ISFJ. High Fe, no N. They can f**k right off.
Oscar Chavez You made a stupid and pointless comment to look funny and get attention. I made a comment to point it out? The mention of my spelling mistake was very compelling though. Congrats.
My mum is Se saviour and she is really annoying sometimes. She spends HOURS in shops gathering and gathering the sensory and is extremely terrible at narrowing down. I will form conclusions pretty fast and mums like "oh you never know, lets keep looking" and it will turn out that I was right most of the time. She hates when i make generalisations about anything at all. Also, she is way too indecisive and has to ask us our opinion on anything before she does it (Fe saviour), which wastes time. Fe is probably the worst and least useful function; you are literally putting everyone elses value judgements (ie an irrational culture) over what actually fucking makes sense logically. So you end up buying into everyone elses stupidity. But mum thinks im rude if i dont do everything the "correct" way (how tf is it the correct way if other cultures do it completely the opposite?).
The correct way for Fe is the correct way for the tribe, so the culture, the country and how "everyone is doing it". Thanks for your examples, it's very helpful for understanding those concepts.
I think what you're describing there could be more of a Sensing sort of idea, when they think this is the culture this is how it's always been so this is how I should do it, but I suppose that's more of a general lifestyle thing, and the small individual decisions like that could a quick Feeling decision. But I don't think it's really an Fe trait inherently or specifically. And I'd say Fe is much more useful than Fi or Si which are more 'This is what I like, this is most important!" or "This is what I have always done! This is most important" Fe isn't naturally a decider, I think it is more of a way to relate to the tribe ie tribe values like "This will probably make the most people in my specific smaller tribe happy as opposed to just me or a few people so this is how I wanna act to them." Like Dave said in an earlier video "If an Fe person is in Nazi Germany, that doesn't mean they are just gonna go along with it, Fe people have specific moral beliefs too, that is not at all just an Fi thing, everybody can do everything, it's just that Fe is more focused on the social spectrum and not just how they themselves feel." (Absolute paraphrasing, lol) It's kinda meaningless to just say that one whole type sucks or that one function is inherently shitty based of off just one person's experience. Of course there are negatives aspects to every possible type and every possible function and it's not wrong to point those out or criticize them, but that's different than saying here's one aspect of this thing so this whole thing is terrible, (even though it could be argued that I did that in my Fi and Si examples, but shhh) which would be a stupid generalization in a lot of situations, but there are smart generalisations as well, so don't generalize all generalizations to be good or bad. Lmfao, that got way more meta than I intended, holy shit. Okay, I forgot what the hell I'm talking about so I'm done. Also quick experiment, do you think you can type me based on my discussion style in this comment, I'm kinda curious about that. Oh, also you had a pretty good comment here for the most part, I was just criticizing the parts I thought you got wrong. I criticize because I care!
I think putting how everyone feels over reasoning is better than putting just how you feel over reasoning. Though just straight up reasoning is better than both, lol.
David Braasch I know all the functions have their strengths and weaknesses; I had to get my rant out though. And for me, Fe is the most difficult function to comprehend. As in, why use it? Whenever I use Fe its like im pushing back this huge force; its so tiring. I find it difficult to force myself to consider what others VALUE. My social skills are shit because I speak with no Fe filter, no "will other people like what I have to say, does this follow the tribes values and conventions?" So I offend people all the time. I am frequently accused of being selfish; im sorry (not really though) what you wanted completely slipped my mind. Last year i had several tidal waves of "oh, im so isolated from the tribe", but using Fe made me sick and tired. I reckon its my main demon. Fi is annoying when you ask for reasons and it just outright ignores you but at least its kinda amusing. When i see lots of Fi I'm entertained by this persons uniqueness (we have that in common) rather than disgusted by how much of a sheep they are like i am with Fe. Also nah bruh I cant type you based on one comment, although I am typing the Konosuba characters at the moment. Aqua is definitely Fi saviour. Shes got that "im special, bow down to me, im not selfish im a martyr" thing going on. She also just does things because she wants to, and she doesnt care if its stupid (it usually is pretty stupid and everyone is trying to convince her to do the more rational thing). Megumin is Blast first. No explanation required. Consume last bc she does not want to learn any other types of magic; shes completely invested in EXPLOSION. Sleep 2nd; im basing this off her tendency to collapse every time she fires off her magic, and her reluctance at first to duel with her rival. That means shes Oi first, then De then Di then Oe. Dunno other than that. Darkness is...weird. She throws out all these Te reasons why shes acting as a meatshield but really shes doing it because she Fi wants to because shes a pervert.
It's interesting because even though I'm fairly certain I have intuition as a savior, I have moments where it would seem to be a demon, where I feel paralyzed about making a decision because I don't have enough facts. But every time, I end up going "screw the facts, what is the big picture?" And then later on whenever I come back to a decision in a similar vein, I don't bother with the sensory any more. So like the first time I bought a car I was overwhelmed with all these stupid little details, but I imagine the next time I buy one I won't do much sensory research at all.
D.H. Everybody uses all functions, it’s just that N saviors / S demons will constantly dismiss S in favor of N. Like 90% of the time. Cue the concept of 90/10 savior/demon imbalance that Dave always talks about
>where I feel paralyzed about making a decision because I don't have enough facts.
That's you jumping on Se and overdoing it (while normal Se/Ni people or the reverse, that have those in the middle, are more balanced and do not have huge swings), essentially having tidal waves and a swing. We all do this all or nothing with our inferiors and end up running back to our saviors...
I’m pretty sure I’ll buy the same car I bought but a newer model 🤣
Screw the facts i have enough to go on is NI. Its our blessing and our curse.
To hell with Se my Ni is 90% accurate is basically what your saying.
Saviors running amuck
Could it have to do with how you were raised?
"Nobody's afraid to fail at their saviors..." except people with savior Si.
...yuuuup.
LOL- so damn true.
So true. They think they have failed no matter what
I'm an ISFJ with a dominant Si and this is true.
awwwwww
Ni: "It's okay to guess. We're guessing and most of the time we fail.."
Se: 💀🏃🏃🏃🏃🏃
Because we rarely fail at our sensory that we use Se😂😂😂😂😂
why this guy's humor always gets me every time
yep, always and every time
This dude has obliterated all the objections I have had in the past to the cognitive functions and mapping them to MBTI. Well done Dave.
What were your objections ? What did he do ? It's interesting.
Yeah, let us know!
We will never know.........
My ISTJ boss has serious issues with Ne-Fi (Consume) things: thought his wife is going to leave him because his mom got in an argument with her (she didn't leave and they are on better terms now), someone doesn't have time to do him a special favor so he assumes they're plotting against him (there was no plot), thought his daughter's boyfriend was going to dump her because he makes more money than she does (they ended up getting engaged). Jumping to one bad conclusion after another and living in fear of it.
Another ISTJ co-worker of mine has his issues with Ne-Te (Play), falling for every single conspiracy theory imaginable and being easily persuaded into any big picture explanation of something
In both cases, they have an unrealistic assessment of how the known information fits in with the unknown. They somehow become convinced that a low-probability possibility is absolutely certain.
Interesting. It just goes to show how bad humans are at probabilities.
Had no idea ISTJs thought this way....poor bastards.
Huh, I'd thought based on the video, your boss is actually a saviour inituitor. It seems like he's making a lot of unsubstantiated guesses which is exactly what demon intuition doesn't do... Like he would have the opposite problem. A truckload of evidence for his wife cheating or something, but "he can never be too sure". Jumping to conclusions is seen as a single observer, saviour intuition problem.
I'm an ISFJ and at 2:09 I felt so exposed coz last year, I bought a new phone and I did the exact same thing ignoring my inferior Ne and using my Dominant Si to make my research on the facts. To me it's the fear of the unknown and not wanting to make a mistake that I could have avoided if I just follow facts.
😂😂😂
*I know you and your friends are awesome at picking phone's*
I'm dead. This is the internet Dave, deal with it 😂
I actually am great at picking phones and so far have never regretted any purchase decisions concerning phones.
That last line hits especially hard...makes me think that I have demon tertiary intuition & yet, I can't go all in because I don't have a clear, visible, "written" result!
Afraid to fail at their demons? That's a helpful yardstick. I'm afraid to fail at fact and data gathering. I know it's necessary but I find it so anxiety provoking that it is effectively a mental block. Hypothesising, on the other hand, is easy.
"Make 10 guesses"
Hmm... sure... I guess we're so used to hypothesizing rather than guessing. It's hard coming up with an idea that feels worthwhile without feeling like there are enough facts (INTP)
After watching this I'm a typical ISFP I am demon Ni and Demon Te. I do gather facts and when I think I got it I'll read more lol
Ugh, same... but as an isfj
So, at about 1:14.. Is that a conversation in their own Se dom head?
Or.. Another person with the same 1st & last functions, but in a more healthy/reasonable state?
Or, an opposite type (with savior Ni & demon Se)?
Thank god i don't have N as a Demon
Agreed. I relate. I'd be lost without my intuition.
@@catstrawford im lost with my intuition
@Saadet Öztürk INTJ sucks😢. My heart can't take this much fear anymore😢
What do you think about the theory that the people who are typed with their 3rd function as a savior are actually in a "Loop" and are seeking our typing because they're in a "rut" and want help/answers?
Just a theory.
Which functions do you normally feel the most pain in?
I've heard it's the most 4th, and the "5th" function is what we normally worry about. Is this true? Anyone have any input? Would greatly appreciate.
@@Cossaw shadow Function
Sensors do great in some areas while intuitors excel in others. Sensors need proof for everything while intuitors jump to conclusions right away. So when I am searching for something as an intuitor, I will tend to dismiss and rule out areas very quickly (oh, my keys couldn't have been in the kitchen, there is no reason for me to put my keys there) whereas Sensors will search every nook and cranny (could the keys be in the kitchen? I normally wouldn't put it there but it might have been a mistake). Turns out that intuitors are more efficient (filtering out possibilities) whereas sensors are more wasteful (going through every detail).
By your definition sensors aren't more wasteful but more accurate... Since you know they don't make assumptions but actually go and look at the facts(which takes more time than simply intuiting) ...
Hm, I don't know if I using N as a savior or a demon. I always read that intuition means to ask why? what if? and sensing what is?
People who use intuition always write that they mainly look at possibilities and the future, how it could be also if it doesn't seems to fit with the known reality and sensors would just look at the known reality and don't think in alternative ways.
So if someone thinks "It also could be this way, what if it changed" also if the facts doesn't support that perspective, does this mean he/she prefers intuition as a savior?
I was always a person who thinks in terms of possibilitys and hope so as example, I believe that a world without war could be possible but all people in my enviroment say it would never be possible because there has always been war.
So, this was an example about how I think and look at things mainly and so I was always called a dreamer and naive because I always see the good in people and can easily forgive.
I also want to understand people and know there are reasons beneath the surface behaviour why they act like this.
So, I'm a bit confused about this N/S thing and hope someone can help me :)
SensitiveBreath your example about no war clear to me that you may have dom F as first faction , so if you really want to know your self let me ask you this :
are you realistic person or in your mind you far away from reality and lost in imagination world (most of times)
when you go with your friends that you like , do you consider your self energetic person from outside or more clam
are you messy person in somehow or you very organized
answer this and i will tell you
SNAKE IX Thank you for your response and your help :)
I also thought that I may could have dom F but I'm really insecure because I don't know if I'm a decider or observer :/ and after Daves video about demon thinking I'm even more insecure because it isn't a big matter for me to reasoning for others why I don't value/like or value/like something if I myself know the reason :)
I think also an T dom could wish that there isn't war anymore and believe that it is possible :)
1. I would say that I'm not a very realistic person and I would always called a dreamer, naive and that I'm unrealistic with my idealistic thinking, my ideas what I want do in the future and so on.
Hm, I would say that I'm more a calm person. I can be energetic and talk vividly, can be goofy but just in a group with good friends but I think that I'm rather calm but friendly and warm but I can be very reserved when I'm upset. It isn't easy for me to describe myself because I'm very insecure.
Ok, this also isn't easy. I'm not very organized but also I'm not a absolut messy person. I hate things how paperwork and so on and I'm a bit chaotic but I'll clean up if it is really necessary. I like a clean environment.
But I don't like this everyday activities, somehow this "normal" life bores me, I want live a special life with a deep meaning.
Cliven Longsight Thank you for your help and your response :)
Hm, I don't know if I'm a double observer or double decider :/
Because I'm a very insecure person in terms of myself so I don't know if my thinking is linear or lateral because I'm not sure if I really understand what it means :(
So I don't know if I think in individual facts or trends of facts.
Can you perhaps give me examples and questions who relate to your questions here so that I'm able to answer this? I just feel so stupid that I can't answer these questions, I'm sorry.
English also isn't my native language which is why it is even more difficult.
I don't have any selfesteem and I suffer because I'm always think that I'm really stupid and dumb :(
Who am I? I have an identitycrisis and I think it comes from my childhoodtrauma, my father was/is alcoholaddicted.
One question I can respond to is these with clumpsiness. I'm a clumpsy person so I often stumble over low edges as example.
I was almost run over by the car once because I was deep in thought.
That people don't get along with my ideas I thought would be up to that that they see them as unrealistic. So they understand what I'm saying but look always on the "what is now/how it was in the past" and then calling me unrealistic because it always was this way so it can't be changed. As example if I say that a world without war would be possible someday than all my friends or familymembers say that it would be wonderful but it will never be like this because there has always been war.
Or quickly condemn people based on there behavior but don't want to look beneath the surface or consider that every person has reasons for how they behave and so don't try to understand the why.
I also give people always a chance because I believe in the potential and good of people.
SensitiveBreath i think i got it , i believe you are ESFJ which is Fe Si Ne Ti , i got this result from many factors here that no need to talk about it otherwise it will be long page haha, so it seems you like real life and don't know what imagination mean to other personalities so this make you S not N, and the reason why you found my questions was hard because your weakness is Ti , and one of the reasons why i figure it out fast because i have a lot of ESFJ's in my family they are very practical and also very emotional and they see the world from these principles , please read about ESFJ and ISFJ you going to see your self in one of 2 but most likely ESFJ ;)
SNAKE IX Thank you for your help :) Hm, I don't like the real life and with the imagination I don't know how you come to that conclusion. Of course it is just your assumption and I'm unsure about my type but the problem is that I can find me in all descriptons of all types somehow :/
But I will consider your typing and think about it :)
tfw i typed as ne dom for so long only to realize i might actually be a sensor aaaaaa
In summary: people with Demon Intuition can take a guess (or lots of guesses) as the excessive gathering of facts may distract from important abstract or big picture information that may need to be considered.
Thankyou!! The video I've been waiting for :) - esfp
Sheldon doing jigsaw puzzle 😆
Awesome vid.
Turi TURI! God you use the same name everywhere! What does it even mean? Is it a tribe thing? :O
Maybe I’m not lead ni. I hardly entirely close on an an opinion totally. At least when it comes to the big things
Ooof! Tell yourself "It's OK to fail at my demon". This just saved my life with Fi inferior. Jesus. Be my therapist lol. For real though. Thats gonna be my secret mantra for now on
I am so insecure abt making my own guesses, that i have to know what the real facts are. Yet, i use intuition. What :D
We all use intuition. You start with the intuition part because that gives you a lead, but you feel obligated to get all the facts on the table before you make a decition. Ergo, you favor you Se. The Ni doesn't care about the facts. If you would have favored Ni over Se, you would have made a guess REGARDLESS of wether or not you had all of the facts. but you use Ni nontheless because it's in your functionstack.
The Se inferior guy explaining how dominant Se works based on his assessment as the opposite is cute & well appreciated :)
It's more like: "Sit down & research more 'facts' & 'theories!?' No no no.. *FK* that! Let's DO more things & experience Reality for what it *is* ... THEN, let our intuition sort it out naturally in the 'flow.'"
( *almost eats sh!t on the 1st rail slide run because he forgot to tighten his wheels... does a ninja roll to safety instead* )
So, if someone has Ne or Ni as first or second function in the function stack but it is a demon, does this mean that this person is a so called sensor?
Does the order of the functions doesn't play a role in determine the type? How can you figure out that N is the first or second function if it is your demon function?
Sry, my english isn't my native language.
SensitiveBreath your first function will always be a savior. But your second function can be a demon. For example an entj or an infp can have savior S.
Cassidy Marshall Thank you for your response :) Is then an Infp whos savior is Si still an intuitive?
Cliven Longsight Thanks for your response :) Is it because of that that Daves system makes it possible that you, as example could have Fi as first and Ni as second function where Ni also is your savior? In this case Te and Se are the demons but which type would it be? An Intj or Istj?
Sry if I don't understand it really well, english isn't my native language.
I guess Fi/Ni saviors and Se/Te demons could be ISFP or INTJ. ISTJs use SiTeFiNe so completely different functions :)
SensitiveBreath no i always disagree with dave about some personalities can have 2 introverted factions or 2 extroverted one after another , this clearly break the balance in any person , anyone who have first faction as introvert faction will be introverted person same apply to extrover faction when it come first , so if someone have 2 introverted factions just like you said Fi Ni , do you understand he will become extremely introverted !! or become an alien more or less that this won't allow him to understand any simple thing in reality , this will destroy this person in early age when he start develops his/her first 2 factions
I understand it now
as an intj, this is horrific to watch
INTJ, same. I'm absolutely incompatible with someone who has demon N. I can spot them instantly too. Just say something quirky that makes everyone else in the room laugh...but not them. They just look at you like they're offended. They're straight up-and-down, black and white. No sense of humour, no imagination. I'm pretty sure they're where the"Karen" meme came from. Especially if they deem themselves cops, i.e: are ISFJ. High Fe, no N. They can f**k right off.
WOOOW interesting..
I'm 50 50 on this
So this is what it’s like on the other side....
*a sleuthing ENTP
I always entPick the best phone.
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I'm an ENTP
P. S why are you still reading?
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The end
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This guy hahaha
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Are you saying that I get easily distracted?? **TRIGGERED**
Oscar Chavez You made a stupid and pointless comment to look funny and get attention. I made a comment to point it out? The mention of my spelling mistake was very compelling though. Congrats.
Yooo this video is so accurate, when I talk about how many agreement I got in because of this 😂😂😂
It me.
My mum is Se saviour and she is really annoying sometimes. She spends HOURS in shops gathering and gathering the sensory and is extremely terrible at narrowing down. I will form conclusions pretty fast and mums like "oh you never know, lets keep looking" and it will turn out that I was right most of the time.
She hates when i make generalisations about anything at all.
Also, she is way too indecisive and has to ask us our opinion on anything before she does it (Fe saviour), which wastes time.
Fe is probably the worst and least useful function; you are literally putting everyone elses value judgements (ie an irrational culture) over what actually fucking makes sense logically. So you end up buying into everyone elses stupidity.
But mum thinks im rude if i dont do everything the "correct" way (how tf is it the correct way if other cultures do it completely the opposite?).
The correct way for Fe is the correct way for the tribe, so the culture, the country and how "everyone is doing it".
Thanks for your examples, it's very helpful for understanding those concepts.
I think what you're describing there could be more of a Sensing sort of idea, when they think this is the culture this is how it's always been so this is how I should do it, but I suppose that's more of a general lifestyle thing, and the small individual decisions like that could a quick Feeling decision. But I don't think it's really an Fe trait inherently or specifically. And I'd say Fe is much more useful than Fi or Si which are more 'This is what I like, this is most important!" or "This is what I have always done! This is most important" Fe isn't naturally a decider, I think it is more of a way to relate to the tribe ie tribe values like "This will probably make the most people in my specific smaller tribe happy as opposed to just me or a few people so this is how I wanna act to them." Like Dave said in an earlier video "If an Fe person is in Nazi Germany, that doesn't mean they are just gonna go along with it, Fe people have specific moral beliefs too, that is not at all just an Fi thing, everybody can do everything, it's just that Fe is more focused on the social spectrum and not just how they themselves feel." (Absolute paraphrasing, lol) It's kinda meaningless to just say that one whole type sucks or that one function is inherently shitty based of off just one person's experience. Of course there are negatives aspects to every possible type and every possible function and it's not wrong to point those out or criticize them, but that's different than saying here's one aspect of this thing so this whole thing is terrible, (even though it could be argued that I did that in my Fi and Si examples, but shhh) which would be a stupid generalization in a lot of situations, but there are smart generalisations as well, so don't generalize all generalizations to be good or bad. Lmfao, that got way more meta than I intended, holy shit. Okay, I forgot what the hell I'm talking about so I'm done. Also quick experiment, do you think you can type me based on my discussion style in this comment, I'm kinda curious about that. Oh, also you had a pretty good comment here for the most part, I was just criticizing the parts I thought you got wrong. I criticize because I care!
Oh yeah and the video was Fe vs Fi, I think.
I think putting how everyone feels over reasoning is better than putting just how you feel over reasoning. Though just straight up reasoning is better than both, lol.
David Braasch I know all the functions have their strengths and weaknesses; I had to get my rant out though. And for me, Fe is the most difficult function to comprehend. As in, why use it? Whenever I use Fe its like im pushing back this huge force; its so tiring. I find it difficult to force myself to consider what others VALUE. My social skills are shit because I speak with no Fe filter, no "will other people like what I have to say, does this follow the tribes values and conventions?" So I offend people all the time. I am frequently accused of being selfish; im sorry (not really though) what you wanted completely slipped my mind. Last year i had several tidal waves of "oh, im so isolated from the tribe", but using Fe made me sick and tired. I reckon its my main demon.
Fi is annoying when you ask for reasons and it just outright ignores you but at least its kinda amusing. When i see lots of Fi I'm entertained by this persons uniqueness (we have that in common) rather than disgusted by how much of a sheep they are like i am with Fe.
Also nah bruh I cant type you based on one comment, although I am typing the Konosuba characters at the moment.
Aqua is definitely Fi saviour. Shes got that "im special, bow down to me, im not selfish im a martyr" thing going on. She also just does things because she wants to, and she doesnt care if its stupid (it usually is pretty stupid and everyone is trying to convince her to do the more rational thing).
Megumin is Blast first. No explanation required. Consume last bc she does not want to learn any other types of magic; shes completely invested in EXPLOSION.
Sleep 2nd; im basing this off her tendency to collapse every time she fires off her magic, and her reluctance at first to duel with her rival.
That means shes Oi first, then De then Di then Oe. Dunno other than that.
Darkness is...weird. She throws out all these Te reasons why shes acting as a meatshield but really shes doing it because she Fi wants to because shes a pervert.
It doesn't want to put in the same category se cool and se dumb..... IF THESE ARENT FACTS... I don't know what is (recovering demon Ni )
lol
so sensors are just stupid but enjoy life more. got it