I was excited when we got George Springer. But man that contract is really hurting us right now. Got to hope he can stay healthy be an avg defender n hitter cuz we have to play him.
I like the speed that Gimenez brings. Jays were almost last in sb last year. Buddy was crazy good in 2022. His defense is insane. He's only 26. We also get a decent BP arm. Good trade for both sides. Jays fans need to stop crying. 😥😢😭
Dude he has a career .715 OPS. This was a terrible move. Jays need thump in their lineup and Horowitz had better thump and great potential to be an even better banger. Jays literally keep trading bats away for worse bats. I don't care if a guy can field or run fast, Jays lose because they can't hit or hit HRS and this just made them even worse. This stinks of the Varsho con job.
@@Flexb123 so if we got Gimenzez from 2022, you'd soil your pants. Its a good deal. We needed a FT 2B since Semien left. Hypothetically, Vladdy is our 1B for the future. Where does Horwitz fit?
23m a year for the last 3 years of his deal for a guy who forgot how to hit. He is another Varsho and we give up a solid good hitting player who gets on base all the time.
Ignore what remains to be done: the Jays are better after this trade than they were before. Spencer was a high point in this dismal season, but he clogged up the DH slot and at age 27 has 2-3 decent months to show for it.
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This was somebody that I did not expect Toronto to trade for The guy just signed a 100 millionish dollar deal over 7 years in 2023 with Cleveland. Who knows what he will bring to The Lose Jays
I like this trade. Spencer defense at second was blah and Gimenez speed on base will put pressure on pitchers. We needed a good lead off hitter and this guy can do that. Also he is coming into his prime. HorwitZ is older and to be honest limited in where can play. plus we got a decent bull pen arm.
At first I was pissed guys…. But the more I look at this I don’t mind it. Spencer Horowitz was a good bat but a shit defender and 2B. Gimenez is an elite defender with the potential to hit for very good average. Gimenez is also younger with room to grow. And Gimenez can downright fly on the base baths. My only issue is the money owed.
Cleveland fan here. Listen, Gimenez isn't just a 3 time gold glove second baseman. He's one of the best gloves ever to play the game and he's in his prime. Statistics, a few highlight reels and awards might have you believe that Derek Jeter was a great SS. But his range was terrible. That is not the case with Gimenez. Just wait and watch, you'll be singing a different tune. BTW, Gimenez was an amazing shortstop before he switched positions. Finally, Gimenez isn't just a .250 BA. He's a base stealer with a great theft percentage (99 stolen bases, 15 cs). Gimenez is also very comfortable moving runners over and has a good amount of post season experience. And don't dismiss his ability to hit. He averaged 27 doubles, 4 triples and 16 home runs his previous 2 seasons. Gimenez hit .297 and slg .466 in 2022. He's also super gritty. In 2022, he led MLB getting hit by 25 pitches and has been hit 35 the last 2 years, but he also stays healthy. The Guardians made this move because they drafted a 2nd baseman with the #1 pick last year and Gimenez is getting too expensive for a very frugal ownership. Save this post because 5 years from now Toronto fans will probably look back on this trade very favorably.
100 million for a glove only 2nd base. That's a total waste of money. Who gives a fck about defense at 2nd? Clement could play there for a fraction of the price.
Remember that a new CBA goes into effect before the 2027 season, right before the salary of Gimenez escalates to $23.5M annually. The luxury tax threshold will be increased, and who knows where player salaries go with that new CBA.
Blue Jays haven't had a full time 2B since 2021. No more sticking utility players in there year after year. Blue Jays are 27th in MLB for stolen bases in 2024 with only 27. They acquired a guy who stole 30 bases in each of the last two seasons. Sandlin's whiff rate and K rate are quite good. Hoping they add enough pen arms to push Zach Pop to Buffalo and keep him there.
Yes, Giménez is still young. Yes, he's a Gold Glove caliber second baseman. Yes, he steals a lot of bases. Yes, he's controllable for the next six seasons. But if you take his career best year out (2022), his on-base percentage sucks, he hits for little power, his peripheral stats are marginal, and have you seen the way his contract is loaded? They'll be paying this clown $23,571,429 for the last three years of his contract, and it will be FOUR years if they manage to exercise his $23 million team option in 2030. I know we can't see into the future, and perhaps he becomes a better player, but $23.6 million for THIS??? Seriously? The thing is, he's been in the league for five years now, three of which have been full seasons, so I kind of doubt he's going to suddenly blossom into the kind of player that justifies the kind of backloaded contract he has. This guy is going to become an albatross around the GM's neck in the future. Whoever that happens to be after Albatross "The Loss" Crapkins is fired as GM (LONG overdue). This is a B-level player at best who will be probably way overpaid by the end of his contract. This is yet another player who this front office has brought in that is defense first, offense secondary, and that is overpaid to do so. IMO, even with Sandlin, this is a net zero trade in the long run. They're doing it again. The song remains the same. And to think they're letting Vladdy and Bo slip through their fingers, too. These jokers need to go. Oh, and why does no one want to come here to play in Toronto? Because, they see the way they treat their homegrown star players by ignoring, stonewalling and gaslighting them. Don't think for a moment that other players don't see it. So why the hell would top talent be swayed to come here with these clowns running the show? Prediction: Vladdy will be a Met in 2026 so he can play with his buddy, Soto. Can you say rebuild? Thanks for nothing, Loss Crapkins!
@@t.y.-yh2lj We need offense. Horwitz is better offensively and virtually free. Gimmenez is 15 mil tax hit. Look at the opportunity cost. You could do so much with that money. I would rather roll Ernie Clement out for 162 games at second base next year and overpay Corbin Burnes by 15 million. That would be better than this trade. That's just one example.
Alsways good to add another glove to a team that can't hit. We will get to see a fantastic highlight pack by SN at the end of the year of Gimenez and Varsho doing great on the gloves and they might even be able to find 2-3 hits in the year to add to the pack.
Still 20 plus million to spend on a starter or a bat and we can still make a trade. 30 stolen bags and his bat has potential! An 8-0 reliever that's dirt cheap! I wish Horwitz the best but potentially a really good move for the Bluejays!
@@bliddiarClement is a journeyman player. Nice backup or pinch hitter. He is not an everyday player. The Jays now have a real solid second baseman. This will make potential free agent pitchers give the Jays a much more serious consideration.
Love Horowitz but why would Cleveland trade their starting second basement who they signed long term? Seems they are trying to get out of a bad contract
how many games did defence lose last yr?...not too many...how many games did lack of offence cost the jays?....yep...ya see my point?...they dont need the Dalton Varsho of the infield....i hate the philosophy of this teams management
Cleveland fan. Watched every game. Sandlin didnt make CLE playoff roster. High 80's fastball. Side arm. Homerun machine. Gime is a leader, great player. Yips at the plate. Were excited about Horwitz. Feel like we stole him from you.
Pretty casual reaction to be mad about picking up a guy with 30 steals and 4 war last year for 15M ... they'll add some pop in free agency in other moves
😂😂😂😂 you guys need to understand that Shapiro and Napkins are destroying the Jays on purpose because they know they will be gone next year! Probably back going to Cleveland ( it's sabotage)
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I was excited when we got George Springer. But man that contract is really hurting us right now. Got to hope he can stay healthy be an avg defender n hitter cuz we have to play him.
4 WAR player with a crappy bat, looks like we traded 1.7 wins for 4 wins and free's up DH spot for potential pete alonso
I like the trade.
I don't tbh, Gimenez contract at this last 3 years are going to be over 20 millions, he's not worth that money
@@glenn8886 New CBA goes into effect right before his salary increases to that level.
Trading prospects for defence again? This smells of the varsho trade….
I like the speed that Gimenez brings. Jays were almost last in sb last year. Buddy was crazy good in 2022. His defense is insane. He's only 26. We also get a decent BP arm. Good trade for both sides. Jays fans need to stop crying. 😥😢😭
100% agree! This was a great trade for the Bluejays!
Yup. A positive.
Dude he has a career .715 OPS. This was a terrible move. Jays need thump in their lineup and Horowitz had better thump and great potential to be an even better banger. Jays literally keep trading bats away for worse bats. I don't care if a guy can field or run fast, Jays lose because they can't hit or hit HRS and this just made them even worse. This stinks of the Varsho con job.
@@Flexb123 You will see.
@@Flexb123 so if we got Gimenzez from 2022, you'd soil your pants. Its a good deal. We needed a FT 2B since Semien left. Hypothetically, Vladdy is our 1B for the future. Where does Horwitz fit?
23m a year for the last 3 years of his deal for a guy who forgot how to hit. He is another Varsho and we give up a solid good hitting player who gets on base all the time.
New CBA goes into effect right before his salary increases to that level.
Ignore what remains to be done: the Jays are better after this trade than they were before. Spencer was a high point in this dismal season, but he clogged up the DH slot and at age 27 has 2-3 decent months to show for it.
Their bats are worse and that's their biggest issue. Giminez has a career .715 OPS with barely any thump. Jays don't need more 8 and 9 hitters FFS
Best news, Atkins is still a Blue Jay, nobody else, but we are going to win, because I'm still here.
This trade was awesome you guys! Atkins really made the trade of the offseason!
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This was somebody that I did not expect Toronto to trade for
The guy just signed a 100 millionish dollar deal over 7 years in 2023 with Cleveland. Who knows what he will bring to The Lose Jays
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How's this move getting us more wins? Spent all last season grooming guys to play 2nd, just to trade them! Not a bad move, but not necessary
Maybe hell protect vlad until trade desdline or fa
Very good perspective gentleman
I like this trade. Spencer defense at second was blah and Gimenez speed on base will put pressure on pitchers. We needed a good lead off hitter and this guy can do that. Also he is coming into his prime. HorwitZ is older and to be honest limited in where can play. plus we got a decent bull pen arm.
At first I was pissed guys…. But the more I look at this I don’t mind it. Spencer Horowitz was a good bat but a shit defender and 2B. Gimenez is an elite defender with the potential to hit for very good average. Gimenez is also younger with room to grow. And Gimenez can downright fly on the base baths.
My only issue is the money owed.
Cleveland fan here. Listen, Gimenez isn't just a 3 time gold glove second baseman. He's one of the best gloves ever to play the game and he's in his prime. Statistics, a few highlight reels and awards might have you believe that Derek Jeter was a great SS. But his range was terrible. That is not the case with Gimenez. Just wait and watch, you'll be singing a different tune.
BTW, Gimenez was an amazing shortstop before he switched positions.
Finally, Gimenez isn't just a .250 BA. He's a base stealer with a great theft percentage (99 stolen bases, 15 cs). Gimenez is also very comfortable moving runners over and has a good amount of post season experience. And don't dismiss his ability to hit. He averaged 27 doubles, 4 triples and 16 home runs his previous 2 seasons. Gimenez hit .297 and slg .466 in 2022. He's also super gritty. In 2022, he led MLB getting hit by 25 pitches and has been hit 35 the last 2 years, but he also stays healthy.
The Guardians made this move because they drafted a 2nd baseman with the #1 pick last year and Gimenez is getting too expensive for a very frugal ownership. Save this post because 5 years from now Toronto fans will probably look back on this trade very favorably.
100 million for a glove only 2nd base. That's a total waste of money. Who gives a fck about defense at 2nd? Clement could play there for a fraction of the price.
Remember that a new CBA goes into effect before the 2027 season, right before the salary of Gimenez escalates to $23.5M annually. The luxury tax threshold will be increased, and who knows where player salaries go with that new CBA.
Can we start a collection to send to send Atkins and Trump on a one way trip to Neptune?
Blue Jays haven't had a full time 2B since 2021. No more sticking utility players in there year after year.
Blue Jays are 27th in MLB for stolen bases in 2024 with only 27. They acquired a guy who stole 30 bases in each of the last two seasons.
Sandlin's whiff rate and K rate are quite good. Hoping they add enough pen arms to push Zach Pop to Buffalo and keep him there.
Nightmare on bluejays way at this point i wanna see vlad play 81 games at fenway hitting 400
Yes, Giménez is still young. Yes, he's a Gold Glove caliber second baseman. Yes, he steals a lot of bases. Yes, he's controllable for the next six seasons. But if you take his career best year out (2022), his on-base percentage sucks, he hits for little power, his peripheral stats are marginal, and have you seen the way his contract is loaded? They'll be paying this clown $23,571,429 for the last three years of his contract, and it will be FOUR years if they manage to exercise his $23 million team option in 2030. I know we can't see into the future, and perhaps he becomes a better player, but $23.6 million for THIS??? Seriously? The thing is, he's been in the league for five years now, three of which have been full seasons, so I kind of doubt he's going to suddenly blossom into the kind of player that justifies the kind of backloaded contract he has. This guy is going to become an albatross around the GM's neck in the future. Whoever that happens to be after Albatross "The Loss" Crapkins is fired as GM (LONG overdue).
This is a B-level player at best who will be probably way overpaid by the end of his contract. This is yet another player who this front office has brought in that is defense first, offense secondary, and that is overpaid to do so. IMO, even with Sandlin, this is a net zero trade in the long run. They're doing it again. The song remains the same. And to think they're letting Vladdy and Bo slip through their fingers, too. These jokers need to go.
Oh, and why does no one want to come here to play in Toronto? Because, they see the way they treat their homegrown star players by ignoring, stonewalling and gaslighting them. Don't think for a moment that other players don't see it. So why the hell would top talent be swayed to come here with these clowns running the show? Prediction: Vladdy will be a Met in 2026 so he can play with his buddy, Soto. Can you say rebuild? Thanks for nothing, Loss Crapkins!
Doesn’t change this team at all, hope this is based on a future incoming move
That’s what I’m thinking (or hoping at least). This has got to be piece in addition to other moves yet to come.
Horrible trade that eats up money!!! Fire Atkins
bro is an absolute stud on defense, idk what the hell you're complaining about
@@t.y.-yh2lj We need offense. Horwitz is better offensively and virtually free. Gimmenez is 15 mil tax hit. Look at the opportunity cost. You could do so much with that money. I would rather roll Ernie Clement out for 162 games at second base next year and overpay Corbin Burnes by 15 million. That would be better than this trade. That's just one example.
Shatkins isn't done destroying the jays . All his head is good for is plugging a toilet at Rodgers center
@@t.y.-yh2ljthey're neophyte fans
Good trade. Improved the infield and the guy can hit and run.
They need a power bat and they need a closer now
They need a couple power bats
The only problem with the Blue Jays is Atkins.
Alsways good to add another glove to a team that can't hit. We will get to see a fantastic highlight pack by SN at the end of the year of Gimenez and Varsho doing great on the gloves and they might even be able to find 2-3 hits in the year to add to the pack.
can we trade shatkins?
Jays should grab Alonso and DH him so we have a 1B when Vladdy walks to someone willing to pay him
oh great.. With already no offence you give up another bat for defence!?!? lol
Do we think the Yanks overpaid for Freid?
Yes!
Still 20 plus million to spend on a starter or a bat and we can still make a trade. 30 stolen bags and his bat has potential! An 8-0 reliever that's dirt cheap! I wish Horwitz the best but potentially a really good move for the Bluejays!
Ernie Clement could be this guy for a lot less money
Not a chance. Omg, the potential is not even close!
Clements is not close to this guy.
@ he is a gold glove and could easily match his hitting. I don’t see the point of this move.
@@bliddiarClement is a journeyman player. Nice backup or pinch hitter. He is not an everyday player. The Jays now have a real solid second baseman. This will make potential free agent pitchers give the Jays a much more serious consideration.
@@johnsummerhill8323 a light hitting defense minded 2nd baseman is not a big improvement for this team.
I dont mind these moves if bo can bounceback
Great trade!
Shatkins vs the yankees im scared
Going to miss Spencer !
Grass isnt greener on the other side
Vladdy "oh yes it is"
B2B 30SB seasons, trade away the other 1B and sign Vladdy. The money part? Yea that sucks
Love Horowitz but why would Cleveland trade their starting second basement who they signed long term? Seems they are trying to get out of a bad contract
That is a good question especially when he just signed with the Guardians over 7 years. I think it is a dump of salary on Cleveland's part
thats what it is plus hes a bad hitter
Id rather see Teo come back or Santander as DH than CB
Atkins continues to focus on defense.. where’s the big bat Ross??!!.. we’ve been waiting since last offseason ffs
Roki Sasaki is still there along with Burnes
I dont mind the trade. But it does not move the needle to being a better team. Hopefully just the start
Not super thrilled they trade for another defense first player. Going for run prevention AGAIN ?
Somone tell shatkins that spencers our 3rd best hitter
Our offense just got worse yikes
What if the dummy signs Teo AND Santander and makes Springer DH? If he's not bouncing around out in the field maybe he doesn't get hurt....
how many games did defence lose last yr?...not too many...how many games did lack of offence cost the jays?....yep...ya see my point?...they dont need the Dalton Varsho of the infield....i hate the philosophy of this teams management
Cleveland fan. Watched every game. Sandlin didnt make CLE playoff roster. High 80's fastball. Side arm. Homerun machine. Gime is a leader, great player. Yips at the plate. Were excited about Horwitz. Feel like we stole him from you.
Horowitz is on Pittsburgh now. LOL.
@ yeah i saw that Luis Ortiz and 2 prospects. Even better. Was hoping pitching originally
@@BubbaStylefly It's early. Lots of time to round out the teams.
Trash trade. Atkins, Give us back our Horwitz !!!!
Pretty casual reaction to be mad about picking up a guy with 30 steals and 4 war last year for 15M ... they'll add some pop in free agency in other moves
losing a 28yr old rookie, wont miss a dude who can only hit righties
Jays need Robert jr
What?!
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This trade is kinda not it, I’ll take Spencer as the better at bat
Leadoff? His on base is trash
😂😂😂😂 you guys need to understand that Shapiro and Napkins are destroying the Jays on purpose because they know they will be gone next year! Probably back going to Cleveland ( it's sabotage)
Dumb move
Wow. Another garbage pickup.
Who's care jay finish done
Shitty team.....
THIS IS NOT TRUE HE IS A FREE AGENT
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