I've found that no matter how much cutting I do with those notch filters, the frequency never goes away. I can make it "better" but i can't seem to remove it. Once I hear it, I hear it forever. What to do?
A lot of DC offset on that vocal ! That mid range ringing thing, I always find it around 1kHz or 2kHz (often both at the same time). By the way your before and after switching around 5:54 is a bit ridiculous 🙂😂you're literally flipping between them in the middle of the phrase, more than one, for less than a quarter of a second - not enough time for the sound to register.
12dB high pass at 249 Hz? 😮 Not sure if that was exaggerated to make it really obvious or not. I often find myself high-passing vocals around 120-150 Hz and cutting a few dBs around 200 Hz.
I would either use a low-shelf instead of a low-cut or still do a low-cut, but use it more to cut out the sub-bass rumble but still keep that definition.
It is all personal preference. We all have. The same gear and plugins. Everyone has a unique taste and hears differently. And obviously the room is half the problems or all. But at the end of the day it is just your perception of how you make it sound. Because all sounds raw are just dull. And it is up to the person to put emotional feelings or vibes. Same difference. But that is the most important element 😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Hi Joe, in the case of the Kaotica eyeball, IDK if you had any client using it. BUT what is your opinion on the sound of it? i think it sounds a lil bit muffled in the low end. That "woom woom" you mention in the first minutes of the video.
@HomeStudioCorner Thanks so much for responding. I really appreciate it. I've spent all day watching your videos. I'm halfway through recording my first song so I keep going back to you for tips. You are doing a fantastic job of teaching. It's greatly appreciated.
Thanks so much Joe! I like everything you touched on not many engineers talk about this enough. You know a ton about this stuff I’ve been watching (struggling) all week to get this artists vocals correct for all 12 songs on his project. (Couple different studios and microphones on a few song) 2nd I’m definitely interested in hiring you to possibly take my own vocals and find which frequencies aren’t good and notch them out so I can have a starting point to my songs. (I’m not sure how much rap/Hiphop you mix) but, one of the things I’ve noticed with certain artists like Travis Scott, Young Thug is them recording in difference places and studios, their album / song catalog all sounds very level with the same EQ. I know they use Sony C800G > NEVE / BAE 1073 > CL1B I know Travis has his vocal chain set and has a copy on his flash drive. Obviously at some point in his career years ago, someone EQ his vocals perfect for him and he’s kept those settings for a few years. I’m interested to build a starting point made for my personal vox chain like those guys do
Another great video sir. The first tip is critical. Every time I get called in to help out a band with their live sound, the FIRST thing I do is go into all the vox channels, (and many of the instrument channels), and low cut the eq out to around 150hz. Just doing that one thing usually fixes most of what's wrong with their mix. Each case is different, but it is always the place to start.
I tend to roll off the low end on everything that it should not be on. Vocals, shaker,tambourine, because especially when miked up there can be a low end rumble that is exposed with a subwoofer. 😃
Im not 100% sure but ive been told . That when you sing in the higher register you naturally get louder and you stop singing from the gut and it goes head . So the noise comes from there. I have it also.. Its annoying as hell. Funny thing is i hear it way more then other people do.. We are our own worse critix... LOL
Hi Joe, wouldnt it be possible to tame these frequencies with multiband compressor, to get rid of them only in the nasty places instead of always? Thanks, great channel.
I see what your sayin, but If you did this this, than an entire group of frequencies would be punished for one resonant frequency. The side effect would be that you would hear it still but lose the good stuff.
The best thing I did for my vocals was to buy a decent mic. When it sounds great going in, it’s a lot easier to get it to sit right. I actually liked that low end on your vocal 😂
Let me find it first..and then we’ll all cringe together.. super funny 😊
I've found that no matter how much cutting I do with those notch filters, the frequency never goes away. I can make it "better" but i can't seem to remove it. Once I hear it, I hear it forever. What to do?
I tend to make resonance notches Dynamic filters if they are less than 50% of the time. Room resonances should be static.
A lot of DC offset on that vocal ! That mid range ringing thing, I always find it around 1kHz or 2kHz (often both at the same time). By the way your before and after switching around 5:54 is a bit ridiculous 🙂😂you're literally flipping between them in the middle of the phrase, more than one, for less than a quarter of a second - not enough time for the sound to register.
I can hear the whistle very easily in that example. He had to flick A/B quickly because it's only a quick moment the problem appears.
12dB high pass at 249 Hz? 😮 Not sure if that was exaggerated to make it really obvious or not. I often find myself high-passing vocals around 120-150 Hz and cutting a few dBs around 200 Hz.
But what if you like the low end? Sometimes cutting it does balance better but sound thin. How do we find a good middle ground?
I would either use a low-shelf instead of a low-cut or still do a low-cut, but use it more to cut out the sub-bass rumble but still keep that definition.
It is all personal preference. We all have. The same gear and plugins. Everyone has a unique taste and hears differently. And obviously the room is half the problems or all. But at the end of the day it is just your perception of how you make it sound. Because all sounds raw are just dull. And it is up to the person to put emotional feelings or vibes. Same difference. But that is the most important element 😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
TBH resonance freq. are more room or equipment based. MB compression is way more elegant and up to date technique.
Hi Joe, in the case of the Kaotica eyeball, IDK if you had any client using it. BUT what is your opinion on the sound of it? i think it sounds a lil bit muffled in the low end. That "woom woom" you mention in the first minutes of the video.
I honestly can't hear the difference before and after. That concerns me greatly:(
You can get there. Stay the course. Just like a new guitarist can't tell if the guitar is out of tune. Your ears will develop.
@HomeStudioCorner Thanks so much for responding. I really appreciate it. I've spent all day watching your videos. I'm halfway through recording my first song so I keep going back to you for tips. You are doing a fantastic job of teaching. It's greatly appreciated.
Hey Joe, what do you use to listen to your mixes? Do you recommend mixing with headphones or speakers?
Thanks so much Joe! I like everything you touched on not many engineers talk about this enough.
You know a ton about this stuff I’ve been watching (struggling) all week to get this artists vocals correct for all 12 songs on his project.
(Couple different studios and microphones on a few song)
2nd
I’m definitely interested in hiring you to possibly take my own vocals and find which frequencies aren’t good and notch them out so I can have a starting point to my songs.
(I’m not sure how much rap/Hiphop you mix) but,
one of the things I’ve noticed with certain artists like Travis Scott, Young Thug is them recording in difference places and studios, their album / song catalog all sounds very level with the same EQ.
I know they use
Sony C800G > NEVE / BAE 1073 > CL1B
I know Travis has his vocal chain set and has a copy on his flash drive.
Obviously at some point in his career years ago, someone EQ his vocals perfect for him and he’s kept those settings for a few years.
I’m interested to build a starting point made for my personal vox chain like those guys do
Another great video sir. The first tip is critical. Every time I get called in to help out a band with their live sound, the FIRST thing I do is go into all the vox channels, (and many of the instrument channels), and low cut the eq out to around 150hz. Just doing that one thing usually fixes most of what's wrong with their mix. Each case is different, but it is always the place to start.
I tend to roll off the low end on everything that it should not be on. Vocals, shaker,tambourine, because especially when miked up there can be a low end rumble that is exposed with a subwoofer. 😃
You don’t know how many videos I’ve watched on vocal eq nothing compares to your explanation on this.
Wow the birdie was when you said the “w” sound…
Im not 100% sure but ive been told . That when you sing in the higher register you naturally get louder and you stop singing from the gut and it goes head . So the noise comes from there. I have it also.. Its annoying as hell. Funny thing is i hear it way more then other people do.. We are our own worse critix... LOL
Pro tips aside, I really like your sense of humor, Mr. Joe Gilder.
Great video as always Joe! I hear pops and clicks when you turn the plugin on and off. This happens to me too. Any idea how to fix this?¿
I love your videos they are so straight to the point and not complicated.
Hey Joe, I use a high pass filter on my vocal mic anyway same on my guitar mic at this point anyway.
Hi Joe, wouldnt it be possible to tame these frequencies with multiband compressor, to get rid of them only in the nasty places instead of always? Thanks, great channel.
I see what your sayin, but If you did this this, than an entire group of frequencies would be punished for one resonant frequency. The side effect would be that you would hear it still but lose the good stuff.
Amazing, I do it this way!
Thanks for sharing this! 👍
Awesome!
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Dope video
The best thing I did for my vocals was to buy a decent mic. When it sounds great going in, it’s a lot easier to get it to sit right. I actually liked that low end on your vocal 😂
It’s all dependent on the mix, which other instruments must exist with the vocals.