The point about artifacts is they represent information. If they are stolen then that information is lost maybe forever. To say that the information is relevant only to the discovery and cataloguing is also false as more information may be gathered at a later date when our techniques have developed and improved.
The relationship between owner and academics described in 26 minutes in, is that not the same as with museums? The museums gets the prestige and information of the scholars work, the scholar have to thank and praise the museum for access, and the museum gets the justification of keeping the artefacts of going, look these articles published we can't return it here it is studied? The same unethical relationship and power dynamic in the british museum as in the private collections?
Your sound is low and mono, I had to change my headphones to mono and use my sound booster app. I would see no problem with selling replicas of museum antiquities to raise money to support the museum.
Great talk about the risks of looting and highlighting the looting that goes on during fieldwork. The ending discussion however i found contrasted completely with the rest of the talk. I felt that both of you sneered at the British Museum, which is odd considering the wealth of knowledge it contains and tries to protect. The theft of artefacts by an employee should be condemned and quite rightly the issue of looting highlighted. However i think you conflate the individual perpetrator and the institution. This isnt an institutional problem its that individual who is crooked. The museum is for everyone and you can make the samw point about travelling to any museum as a problem, the Smithsonian is in Washington and I live in the UK so thats the fault of the museum because I have to travel to it? Furthermore, the BM has amazing people trying to conserve and distribute knowledge, whilst i dont agree with everything they do, on the whole it is highly admirable what they do achieve and its bizarre that two heritage professionals have such an opposition to it. There is conflict and instability in various nations, YES IN EUROPE TOO, but primarily in the Middle East where looting by terrorist groups, as you both are fully aware, is an ever present issue. This isn't a white saviour complex its a desire and initiative to save the heritage from being dissapeared into private hands. Which should surely be in both your interests? Sorry to rant
A lively and informative conversation, but you sort of lost me when you attributed a tendency towards a theft of antiquities to a particular skin colour rather than providing a more subtle analysis. No doubt many people with different skin colours are complicit in such thefts, just as many people of the targeted group are likely innocent. The expense and difficulties of travel are not unique to Europe, either... these issues are entirely relative. The reductio ad absurdum of this argument would suggest that all antiquities should be left in the ground.
This is what really pisses me off about academic archaeology, so much straining to emphasise immutable characteristics about historic researchers. So much wasted energy and grant money imo.
Even at MAXIMUM volume, and with headphones and/or earphones, I can not hear a single word of this. What a shame! I was dying to hear about it!. This channel should wake the hell up! Why even bother posting this video like this?! I have just found out that if you don't mind having half of your screen blocked by too large lettering, you can see what they are saying by using the subtitles, but it's no substitute for being able to hear the thing.
Given the sheer numbers of looted and illicitly obtained artefacts in not only the British Museum, but also the New York Metropolitan, The Getty locations, the German ones and oh, so many more this whole thing is almost ironic. Of course it is not, but the thief will never be prosecuted - you wait and see ifi am not right
Someone stole the stolen stuff? Clutches pearls
The point about artifacts is they represent information. If they are stolen then that information is lost maybe forever. To say that the information is relevant only to the discovery and cataloguing is also false as more information may be gathered at a later date when our techniques have developed and improved.
So some arrogant jerk in a top hat 150 years ago stole the artifact from its original home. Karma that it gets stolen from these thieves.
Great video! Thanks to you both!
Oh excellent!! Great guest
Good Subject thanks Flint
Sound a bit Fishy to me. By the way its theft not a heist.
The relationship between owner and academics described in 26 minutes in, is that not the same as with museums? The museums gets the prestige and information of the scholars work, the scholar have to thank and praise the museum for access, and the museum gets the justification of keeping the artefacts of going, look these articles published we can't return it here it is studied?
The same unethical relationship and power dynamic in the british museum as in the private collections?
Thanks👍
Your sound is low and mono, I had to change my headphones to mono and use my sound booster app. I would see no problem with selling replicas of museum antiquities to raise money to support the museum.
Great talk about the risks of looting and highlighting the looting that goes on during fieldwork. The ending discussion however i found contrasted completely with the rest of the talk.
I felt that both of you sneered at the British Museum, which is odd considering the wealth of knowledge it contains and tries to protect. The theft of artefacts by an employee should be condemned and quite rightly the issue of looting highlighted. However i think you conflate the individual perpetrator and the institution. This isnt an institutional problem its that individual who is crooked.
The museum is for everyone and you can make the samw point about travelling to any museum as a problem, the Smithsonian is in Washington and I live in the UK so thats the fault of the museum because I have to travel to it?
Furthermore, the BM has amazing people trying to conserve and distribute knowledge, whilst i dont agree with everything they do, on the whole it is highly admirable what they do achieve and its bizarre that two heritage professionals have such an opposition to it.
There is conflict and instability in various nations, YES IN EUROPE TOO, but primarily in the Middle East where looting by terrorist groups, as you both are fully aware, is an ever present issue. This isn't a white saviour complex its a desire and initiative to save the heritage from being dissapeared into private hands. Which should surely be in both your interests?
Sorry to rant
A lively and informative conversation, but you sort of lost me when you attributed a tendency towards a theft of antiquities to a particular skin colour rather than providing a more subtle analysis. No doubt many people with different skin colours are complicit in such thefts, just as many people of the targeted group are likely innocent.
The expense and difficulties of travel are not unique to Europe, either... these issues are entirely relative. The reductio ad absurdum of this argument would suggest that all antiquities should be left in the ground.
This is what really pisses me off about academic archaeology, so much straining to emphasise immutable characteristics about historic researchers. So much wasted energy and grant money imo.
@@KingoftheLizardzyeah cuz archaeologists get grants based on how mean they are
@@seanbeadles7421 we would be even more strapped for cash holy hell.
Even at MAXIMUM volume, and with headphones and/or earphones, I can not hear a single word of this. What a shame! I was dying to hear about it!. This channel should wake the hell up! Why even bother posting this video like this?!
I have just found out that if you don't mind having half of your screen blocked by too large lettering, you can see what they are saying by using the subtitles, but it's no substitute for being able to hear the thing.
I'm sorry and not sure. It plays fine on our two phones and computers with or without headphones... not even near half volume
The same for me. Not good.
Good thing they did..otherwise the world would have zero..
Zero what?
Given the sheer numbers of looted and illicitly obtained artefacts in not only the British Museum, but also the New York Metropolitan, The Getty locations, the German ones and oh, so many more this whole thing is almost ironic.
Of course it is not, but the thief will never be prosecuted - you wait and see ifi am not right
Soo annoying when their good old loot gets looted..
Seriously, karma is a b
Ah, the British Museum, showing it has lost none of its dry, ironic wit
It was an interesting topic until got woke and Self-flagellation.
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