I reckon that Will is going to get taken over by Vecna like Max was, and his friends will try to snap him out of it by playing “Should I Stay Or Should I Go?”, but it won’t work this time because he’s outgrown his favorite song just like he outgrew Dungeons And Dragons, meaning that Mike and Lucas inadvertently sealed his fate by convincing him to act more mature in Season 3. If they want to twist the knife even further, they could also have Jonathan beat himself up for not knowing what music Will does like because he was too busy smoking “smelly plants” and fretting about Nancy to pay him any attention while they were in California.
My wife and I loved ST, we kind of binge watched all of the seasons about 2 years ago. And have been so excited for season 5, she unfortunately passed away last summer in June, so she won’t be able to see what happens, but I’m still gonna watch it and tell her about it. I hope they kick the Mindflayers ass in my wife’s memory
I like the theory that eleven will close the gates with her in it and then they will rewind time. Sacrificing herself for the good of the gang also she would not technically be dead.
I think that either Will is going to die or Eleven is. Steve and Max are also in danger, there are for sure going to be impactful deaths. I like the tunnels theory and Will’s importance in STS5. I have a terrible feeling many are dying.
@@iCantThinkOfaName3 lol the duffers also said that the reason they don’t want to kill people off is because the grief can take away from their character arcs, and since this is the last season that doesn’t apply anymore. just because they said they’re not killing off everyone doesn’t the characters are safe.
Always felt as if each OG character having a duplicate, or maybe duplicates in the Upsidedown. The D&D Vale of Shadows which has already been referenced in ST actually has evil doubles of characters in the alternate dimension! The original Montauk Project which is rooted in timetravel has soul transference, & also has different versions of the same character ending up in the same timeline! We see Will with a body double in S1, Billy seeing another version of himself (maybe multiple) in S3, Nancy making the comment "As far as we know" when responding to Robin when asked how the Upsidedown resembles Hawkins. Lucas reading Stephen King's The Talisman also has "twinners"....the X-Men Jean Gray reference....& not forgetting the Duffers themselves being twins!!!
I think will definitely has powers and I think the first scene will show his first visit to the upiside down prior to season 1, i also think this is why upside down is set on the day will went missing as I think he created Hawkins as a place to hide would also explain why he has so many parallels to Henry
Waiiit✋🏾 i think you're onto someting. Until you said that i didnt realized that the upside-down didnt originally look like Hawkins, it was like a wasteland. I dont know about will creating it but we already know that vecna has illusion powers
0:26 the theory about Henry being 11’s father all I’m gonna say is, when you’re able to go and watch The First Shadow, should be hitting broadway soon but I live in London and have seen the play 3 times and gives a massive insight into the theory 👀 the duffers did say the show is also cannon and links up to ST5! Love the videos
Just so you know, it has been confirmed by the duffers that the original plan was to kill Max of compleatly, but they changed it. For reasons unknown - still.
I think it would be suitable for Eleven to die, for that very reason. Also, she's such an important part of the series, so if she gets killed off, that would mark the end of the series.
They're probably using the tunnels to avoid the military. We know from season 2 that those tunnels are pretty much under the whole of Hawkins so what better way to get around undetected.
I think they mentioned watching season 2 because of Kali or 8. She has powers like Vecna with having other minds see thing that she projects. It’s the one thing that 11 does not have and could be the tipping point in the favor of our hero’s to defeat him.
@ th-cam.com/video/su0OO1-hLlQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=b8LjwWEMcKbb4iJR If the link doesn’t work DLA Alternative has a couple videos on his channel talking about max and the dig dug theory.
You know it's super weird about Rich being drafted to go to Vietnam, is that his birthday September 14 was the first birthday draft number picked. So, he was literally one of the first people picked to be drafted. Now here's a theory if MK ultra is connected to the government and the government chose who was drafted then wouldn't it be convenient if Rich's birthday was the very first number to be drafted? Maybe the government wanted to possibly get rid of him.
I do love these theories. I think the one that seems most plausible is that Max is gonna be awoken about midway through season 5. One theory that I have is that oneone is going to take control of the Mind Flayer and use it against vacna, and give him hallucinations, just like he did to the group in season 4.
the directors themselves have talked about a main character(s) dying, so it is likely it'll happen. the episode is NOT called, "the vanishing of .... wheeler" it's called "the vanishing of ......" so assuming it's holly is extremely far fetched even if it was Billy's flayed version that died in the rightside up, there was still the other version that died/ got stuck in the upside down. if he does come back i believe it'll purely be flashbacks bc it's impossible to survive what happened to him AND they showed his dead body i think it's way more likely for them to bring Eddie back, as his character follows the Kas storyline perfectly and we never saw him actually dead, just being attacked. that being said the directors did mention someone from a previous season/ someone who died will be returning in this season.
In S4, when entering the Wheeler House in the Upsidedown Steve makes a comment along the lines of him inhaling the toxic white stuff. Could that be a foreshadowing of what's to come for him in S5?
I think that Season 5 will have a biblical style ending. The fight between El and the Upside Down will be just like the fight between Jesus and Satan in the Book of Revelation in the Bible. Will's painting of the three-headed dragon in the season 4 final seems to indicate that Vecna is not alone but rather part of a trio. In Season 1 Episode 2, Hopper mentions that the last time someone went missing was summer 1923 and that the last suicide was fall 1961. What if these two people are actually collaborating with Henry Creel/001/Vecna in an attempt to conquer Earth and they form an allegory to the unholy trinity of the Dragon (1923 missing), the Beast (1961 suicide), and the False Prophet (Vecna). Max seems like she will definitely play a major role in Season 5. In Season 4, Max listens to the song "Running up that Hill" by Kate Bush in order to escape Vecna's curse. The bridge to the songs reads: "Oh, come on, angel Come on, come on, darlin' Let's exchange the experience" Perhaps this line foreshadows her role in Season 5 as an "angel" fighting for El (the Jesus figure) against the forces of the Upside Down (Satan). Vecna said that the people he kills don't die but rather are inside his head. Maybe El will be able to acquire this power from him and retrieve their consciousness's then she will resurrect Vecna's victims somehow (not physically) which will represent the resurrection of the saints at the Second Coming of Jesus. The fight will be on three fronts: 1. Hawkins 2. Upside Down 3. Vecnas Mind Lair where Max currently is and she will serve as El's hand in that realm. Max will come into contact with Vecna's victims and bring them back to reality. Just like how "the voice of an angel" saved Victor Creel from his son murdering him, so Max, the "angel", will bring them back to reality somehow. The name, El, is Hebrew for "God" which makes this even better.
Jus so ya'll know before netflix put the episode titles out the episode titles were leaked in september. And episode two was called the vanishing of mike wheeler sorry for the spoiler.
i think that bille will be in the upside down and help max to get out of vecnas mind but will then have to leave her because he can only exist there and that max will have some sort of powers (sh will be blind but she will be able to spy on vecna) until vecna will somehow disappear
I think it’s extremely unlikely that the Duffer Brothers would use Holly Wheeler as a spin-off. I know they want to do a spin-off, but I firmly believe they want to leave Hawkins behind and start fresh with a different story and characters. Holly might be a minor character, but you can’t tell her story without her family. I would bet my life savings on the original cast moving on from Stranger Things, and there will be no spinoff with Holly. However, I definitely think the episode will center around Holly disappearing. Why bring in a new actress if you’re not going to utilize her in a significant way? Very sound logic there.
I think Will should die, not because of his sexuality or anything, I just thing it makes sense. He is the One. Eleven could die too, PLEASE GIVE MAX BACK!!!! PLEASE!!!!
Billy didn’t die cos he was possessed he wasn’t cos he fought the mind flayer and then died so that proves he was good before he died aka not possessed
Is it just me but everyone who makes these theories always forgets about how max is still in a coma and we don’t know if she’s going to die or not or what’s going to happen to her but I know I’m curious! Not putting this too the guy who made this video but I just noticed that cause I’ve watched several and none have talked about it just saying. This was before the max one but also the other people doing this forget
everyone is in danger Eleven Will Steve Max Mike Dustin Hopper Jonathan Nancy like literally everyone is doomed at this point no one is safe in this final season death is lurking in the shadows a war is coming to hawkins.
@@keimondbell-s4k Nancy and Jonathan are safe, Steve is in danger because he is the third component to their love triangle, Mike and Dustin could die, will and eleven for sacrificing themselves for their friends, especially will or eleven because it all started with them, eleven opened the gate, but none of this would be happening to the gang if will hadn’t been taken ugh I cannot wait to get more teasers
@@samcere1442 dude the thing you don't understand is that nobody is really safe this season everyone is at risk not just Eleven Will Steve and Max but everybody is what i'm saying Nancy and Jonathan aren't safe either nobody is safe this season they could literally kill off everyone if they wanted to but they're not doing the game of thrones thing we don't really know who's safe or who will die this season we're just gonna have to wait and see that's just my opinion but yet again Jonathan and Nancy aren't safe nobody's really safe that's all i'm gonna say just speaking facts.
@@keimondbell-s4k tbh you’re right, we’ll just have to trust that what they end up doing with make sense. maybe that’s why they blurred the name out in the first place, because it’s not holly maybe it’s Nancy wheeler. maybe the reason they’re not releasing trailers is because they know we’d figure out the plot
I have a good one in the next season there is one episode called escape from camazotz and camazotz is a bat Wich means he appears at night now what if camazotz goes to the gang and it shows them bad flashbacks so what if he shows Karen her brother who is possibly vecna that night where vecna kills Mrs creel and we know that Mr creel survives the attack and Karen needs to kill vecna and goes to the upside down or the right side up and she is stuck with eleven or eight or whoever goes in and kills vecna for good
I reckon that Will is going to get taken over by Vecna like Max was, and his friends will try to snap him out of it by playing “Should I Stay Or Should I Go?”, but it won’t work this time because he’s outgrown his favorite song just like he outgrew Dungeons And Dragons, meaning that Mike and Lucas inadvertently sealed his fate by convincing him to act more mature in Season 3.
If they want to twist the knife even further, they could also have Jonathan beat himself up for not knowing what music Will does like because he was too busy smoking “smelly plants” and fretting about Nancy to pay him any attention while they were in California.
My wife and I loved ST, we kind of binge watched all of the seasons about 2 years ago. And have been so excited for season 5, she unfortunately passed away last summer in June, so she won’t be able to see what happens, but I’m still gonna watch it and tell her about it. I hope they kick the Mindflayers ass in my wife’s memory
Damn
Sorry to hear that
I like the theory that eleven will close the gates with her in it and then they will rewind time. Sacrificing herself for the good of the gang also she would not technically be dead.
If that’s the ending I’d save myself time and never watch it.
@ why what ending do you like
I think that either Will is going to die or Eleven is. Steve and Max are also in danger, there are for sure going to be impactful deaths. I like the tunnels theory and Will’s importance in STS5. I have a terrible feeling many are dying.
For me it is going to be Dustin who's gonna be sacrificing himself for Eddie or something related to Eddie.
Actually the duffer said they won’t go out game of thrones style (everybody dies, including the villains)
@@iCantThinkOfaName3 lol the duffers also said that the reason they don’t want to kill people off is because the grief can take away from their character arcs, and since this is the last season that doesn’t apply anymore. just because they said they’re not killing off everyone doesn’t the characters are safe.
A terrible feeling? Wouldn’t it be terrible writing if they all survived?
@@jrschmiss lol depends on the storyline I was just trying to be poetic
Always felt as if each OG character having a duplicate, or maybe duplicates in the Upsidedown.
The D&D Vale of Shadows which has already been referenced in ST actually has evil doubles of characters in the alternate dimension!
The original Montauk Project which is rooted in timetravel has soul transference, & also has different versions of the same character ending up in the same timeline!
We see Will with a body double in S1, Billy seeing another version of himself (maybe multiple) in S3, Nancy making the comment "As far as we know" when responding to Robin when asked how the Upsidedown resembles Hawkins. Lucas reading Stephen King's The Talisman also has "twinners"....the X-Men Jean Gray reference....& not forgetting the Duffers themselves being twins!!!
I think will definitely has powers and I think the first scene will show his first visit to the upiside down prior to season 1, i also think this is why upside down is set on the day will went missing as I think he created Hawkins as a place to hide would also explain why he has so many parallels to Henry
I hope so!
Waiiit✋🏾 i think you're onto someting. Until you said that i didnt realized that the upside-down didnt originally look like Hawkins, it was like a wasteland. I dont know about will creating it but we already know that vecna has illusion powers
Great theories not a single one was boring! You're awesome
Thank you!!
0:26 the theory about Henry being 11’s father all I’m gonna say is, when you’re able to go and watch The First Shadow, should be hitting broadway soon but I live in London and have seen the play 3 times and gives a massive insight into the theory 👀 the duffers did say the show is also cannon and links up to ST5! Love the videos
Just so you know, it has been confirmed by the duffers that the original plan was to kill Max of compleatly, but they changed it. For reasons unknown - still.
Money
I think it would be suitable for Eleven to die, for that very reason. Also, she's such an important part of the series, so if she gets killed off, that would mark the end of the series.
They're probably using the tunnels to avoid the military. We know from season 2 that those tunnels are pretty much under the whole of Hawkins so what better way to get around undetected.
I have a crazy theory I think the second episode will be titled The Vanishing of Will Byers(2)💀💀💀💀
And we will see what happened to will in season 1
No because it says the vanishing of blank wheeler.
Ugh. I really dont want ANOTHER season of characters talking about Will constantly.
@@killwalkerit’ll be a-ok
it was revealed that it is some wheeler with a five letter name so probably holly wheeler
I think they mentioned watching season 2 because of Kali or 8. She has powers like Vecna with having other minds see thing that she projects. It’s the one thing that 11 does not have and could be the tipping point in the favor of our hero’s to defeat him.
If u haven’t heard the mad max theory with dig dug, it’s got great potential with the Billy theory
id be grateful if you could direct me on where to find out more as i cant find anything on it 🥲🫡
@ th-cam.com/video/su0OO1-hLlQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=b8LjwWEMcKbb4iJR
If the link doesn’t work DLA Alternative has a couple videos on his channel talking about max and the dig dug theory.
@@keykennedy59 thank you legenddddd !
If vecna gets a machine gun, they're all gonna die! End of story! 😂
You know it's super weird about Rich being drafted to go to Vietnam, is that his birthday September 14 was the first birthday draft number picked. So, he was literally one of the first people picked to be drafted. Now here's a theory if MK ultra is connected to the government and the government chose who was drafted then wouldn't it be convenient if Rich's birthday was the very first number to be drafted? Maybe the government wanted to possibly get rid of him.
I think there is a different reason the Duffers said we should rewatch season 2.
They are using the tunnels again. Also something in season 2 may have the clue!
@@karenduncan2478 Sure, but apart for the tunnels. It's about the characters' relationships.
i literally love you so much
Thanks for the love!
I do love these theories. I think the one that seems most plausible is that Max is gonna be awoken about midway through season 5. One theory that I have is that oneone is going to take control of the Mind Flayer and use it against vacna, and give him hallucinations, just like he did to the group in season 4.
I like the Billy theories, haha. Long shot but cool theories
the directors themselves have talked about a main character(s) dying, so it is likely it'll happen.
the episode is NOT called, "the vanishing of .... wheeler" it's called "the vanishing of ......" so assuming it's holly is extremely far fetched
even if it was Billy's flayed version that died in the rightside up, there was still the other version that died/ got stuck in the upside down. if he does come back i believe it'll purely be flashbacks bc it's impossible to survive what happened to him AND they showed his dead body
i think it's way more likely for them to bring Eddie back, as his character follows the Kas storyline perfectly and we never saw him actually dead, just being attacked.
that being said the directors did mention someone from a previous season/ someone who died will be returning in this season.
Vecna mentioned that everyone is still with him once they join him
The vanishing of Will Byers
The vanishing of Holly Wheeler💀💀.
Maybe she would be lost in the same way
I feel that Max will be safe. I feel slightly in danger. I still think Lucas will help wake Max up in hospital playing Running up that hill.
henry isnt going to turn good, that would be the most shit ending ever
In S4, when entering the Wheeler House in the Upsidedown Steve makes a comment along the lines of him inhaling the toxic white stuff. Could that be a foreshadowing of what's to come for him in S5?
I really hope El is able to reach Henry/001/Vecna's humanity like she did Billy.
I think that Season 5 will have a biblical style ending. The fight between El and the Upside Down will be just like the fight between Jesus and Satan in the Book of Revelation in the Bible. Will's painting of the three-headed dragon in the season 4 final seems to indicate that Vecna is not alone but rather part of a trio. In Season 1 Episode 2, Hopper mentions that the last time someone went missing was summer 1923 and that the last suicide was fall 1961. What if these two people are actually collaborating with Henry Creel/001/Vecna in an attempt to conquer Earth and they form an allegory to the unholy trinity of the Dragon (1923 missing), the Beast (1961 suicide), and the False Prophet (Vecna). Max seems like she will definitely play a major role in Season 5. In Season 4, Max listens to the song "Running up that Hill" by Kate Bush in order to escape Vecna's curse. The bridge to the songs reads:
"Oh, come on, angel
Come on, come on, darlin'
Let's exchange the experience"
Perhaps this line foreshadows her role in Season 5 as an "angel" fighting for El (the Jesus figure) against the forces of the Upside Down (Satan). Vecna said that the people he kills don't die but rather are inside his head. Maybe El will be able to acquire this power from him and retrieve their consciousness's then she will resurrect Vecna's victims somehow (not physically) which will represent the resurrection of the saints at the Second Coming of Jesus. The fight will be on three fronts:
1. Hawkins
2. Upside Down
3. Vecnas Mind Lair where Max currently is and she will serve as El's hand in that realm. Max will come into contact with Vecna's victims and bring them back to reality. Just like how "the voice of an angel" saved Victor Creel from his son murdering him, so Max, the "angel", will bring them back to reality somehow. The name, El, is Hebrew for "God" which makes this even better.
Jus so ya'll know before netflix put the episode titles out the episode titles were leaked in september.
And episode two was called the vanishing of mike wheeler sorry for the spoiler.
THEY BETTER HAVE CALIFORNIA DREAMIN' ON THE SOUNDTRACK 😭😭
I think will Byers will help vecna
i think that bille will be in the upside down and help max to get out of vecnas mind but will then have to leave her because he can only exist there and that max will have some sort of powers (sh will be blind but she will be able to spy on vecna) until vecna will somehow disappear
Have they ever explained how they created all of the other children with special powers?
I think it’s extremely unlikely that the Duffer Brothers would use Holly Wheeler as a spin-off. I know they want to do a spin-off, but I firmly believe they want to leave Hawkins behind and start fresh with a different story and characters. Holly might be a minor character, but you can’t tell her story without her family. I would bet my life savings on the original cast moving on from Stranger Things, and there will be no spinoff with Holly. However, I definitely think the episode will center around Holly disappearing. Why bring in a new actress if you’re not going to utilize her in a significant way? Very sound logic there.
I just want will to turn into a villain. If that happens I’ll be happy.
I think Will should die, not because of his sexuality or anything, I just thing it makes sense. He is the One. Eleven could die too, PLEASE GIVE MAX BACK!!!! PLEASE!!!!
1:51 Never tell me the odds -Dustin season 4
Good theories
I still think Will is going to sacrifice himself for his family
I also see Jonathan sacrificing himself to save Will.
Great vid, but my immersion in the topic was interrupted when you said the word:
"Ekspecially"
It is "especially" no k
Like Espresso with No X.
😭😭😭 thank you and sorry I’ll keep this in mind next time
Billy didn’t die cos he was possessed he wasn’t cos he fought the mind flayer and then died so that proves he was good before he died aka not possessed
Yea, at the end. But leading up to his last ditch effort...he wasn't good at all
They have referenced the empire strikes back!!!! When hooper and the Russian are on the gang way infront of the rift end of season 4!!!!!
If The Shadow Spider Appears in Stranger Things S5. I Ain't Watching.
i feel that Steve Harrington is going to die in season 5
Is it just me but everyone who makes these theories always forgets about how max is still in a coma and we don’t know if she’s going to die or not or what’s going to happen to her but I know I’m curious! Not putting this too the guy who made this video but I just noticed that cause I’ve watched several and none have talked about it just saying.
This was before the max one but also the other people doing this forget
Someone is dying in season 5, and maybe multiple people die.
But Jason stepped on her music thing and doesn’t that mean that 11 and Will are related???
everyone is in danger Eleven Will Steve Max Mike Dustin Hopper Jonathan Nancy like literally everyone is doomed at this point no one is safe in this final season death is lurking in the shadows a war is coming to hawkins.
@@keimondbell-s4k Nancy and Jonathan are safe, Steve is in danger because he is the third component to their love triangle, Mike and Dustin could die, will and eleven for sacrificing themselves for their friends, especially will or eleven because it all started with them, eleven opened the gate, but none of this would be happening to the gang if will hadn’t been taken ugh I cannot wait to get more teasers
@@samcere1442 dude the thing you don't understand is that nobody is really safe this season everyone is at risk not just Eleven Will Steve and Max but everybody is what i'm saying Nancy and Jonathan aren't safe either nobody is safe this season they could literally kill off everyone if they wanted to but they're not doing the game of thrones thing we don't really know who's safe or who will die this season we're just gonna have to wait and see that's just my opinion but yet again Jonathan and Nancy aren't safe nobody's really safe that's all i'm gonna say just speaking facts.
@@keimondbell-s4k tbh you’re right, we’ll just have to trust that what they end up doing with make sense. maybe that’s why they blurred the name out in the first place, because it’s not holly maybe it’s Nancy wheeler. maybe the reason they’re not releasing trailers is because they know we’d figure out the plot
@@samcere1442 thank you for respecting my opinion and I respect yours too it was great talking to you have a great night.
what if they use the tunnels to take Eleven to the radio station
I have a good one in the next season there is one episode called escape from camazotz and camazotz is a bat Wich means he appears at night now what if camazotz goes to the gang and it shows them bad flashbacks so what if he shows Karen her brother who is possibly vecna that night where vecna kills Mrs creel and we know that Mr creel survives the attack and Karen needs to kill vecna and goes to the upside down or the right side up and she is stuck with eleven or eight or whoever goes in and kills vecna for good
Will could be a vessell
Will will die ❤🇺🇸💕🙏🏽
Will will become Bran the Broken and El will be evil Danny🤣🙄
Lets go
I’m not trynna see will and vecna kiss and go off with each other😑😂
I think 010 is Eddie
Season 5 date?
June 24th 2025
@@anglanz1356It's still unknown
@@Astlyn the 2025 part is correct
Expect it no later than Nov 2025
Finn said early 2025.
I hope some main characters die, it would be unrealistic if all of them survive.
It's ESpecially not EXpecially
How many fans have actually seen the stage play?
I agree 3:48
So tired of conjecture.
what if vecna is wills dad
Thank you.
Nope
If we truly want equality we should have no problem with Will being the sacrifice to end the connection with the upside down.
Henry is eleven’s father. Been saying this for a year, and I’m ok with Will dying.
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