I loved The Bell Jar and that book made such an impression on me, but I completely understand your stance towards it and the decision to put it down. While reading it I was so put off by the main character's behaviour and thoughts, however, I couldn't help but be fascinated by such raw and I think accurate depiction of depression and the way it used to be treated back in the day. That made the reading worth for me.
Ok. So I'm 78 and went through every stage of women trying so hard to be seen as capable humans equal to men.The attitude was that parents were willing to send their daughters to university solely with the motivation that she would marry a man who would get a good job and be able to support a family. The new bride was expected to work as a nurse, secretary, or teacher until she got pregnant. After the child wad born, she was to stay home and enable her husband to succeed and reach his dreams while she took care of the home and the children etc. Any woman who refused to do this was seen as weird or uppity or kept down as much as possible. Needless to say, this was horrible for women and benefited the men who were excused for having affairs and ignoring their wives and children. Women were described only by how thin and "attractive" they were to men. And we are still fighting. I married on my 21 st birthday and you are right, I choose wrong. But,video dud everything Iwas taught and it nearly destroyed me. Women should never let men define their worth!!
I’m so sorry to hear it all. I’m definitely grateful for life and opportunity I’ve had. I can’t imagine all the pressure to conform. We definitely need to keep fighting 💪
I think that when discussing The Bell Jar, we must not forget that it is an autobiographical novel, so when she mentions electroshock therapy, it is because she underwent this "treatment" herself :) Of course, you don't have to like this book because of it, but it is an important detail because it shows her thoughts and state of mind that led to her death
@@BookswithEmilyFoxyes, it is even said that after its publication it pissed off many of her friends from college who recognized themselves and their stories on the pages of the book :D I think what attracts people to this book (or what attracts me) is the showing of how depression pulls a person deeper and deeper and deeper, and her depression resulted, as we already know, from several factors: childhood, the fact that someone tried to g*ape her or even so many doubts about her future. The awareness, that despite such great dreams and the potential that she saw in herself, everything was supposed to lead to the birth of children, and she had no allies.l on her side. Later, she describes her stay in a psychiatric hospital, the mentioned electroshocks and how difficult the experience was. And I think that, because it's her last and only novel and it's autobiographical, it's of great value because it explains to us what happened to her :)
The Feminine Mystique could be read like an historical document such as the Declaration of Independence. Friedan spawned a feminist revolution that grew to include minority women. It is very fair to note that she wrote from a privileged white woman’s perspective, but it began a discussion that persists to today. Thus it was a world-changing document.
I’m hoping to finish it and be able to see that more. The first two chapters were of course just establishing the current state so I didn’t get to the important part!
The Bell Jar can be seen as a semi biografical novel, when i looked more into her life the book makes more sense. There are also quite a few references to her poetry ( i think you'd perfer some of them). What made me personally appreciate it was that it was the first novel of a severly depressed women I'd read and unfortunately related to her deep sadness a lot. Also reading it as a semi biography I looked at it as more of a lense into the mindset of a depressed person of that time and how society/medicine "treated" or react to a person suffering mentally. I do understand if her character flaws make it unpleasant, i truethfully forgot about all the racecism, probably skimmed over those bit at the time. So in that regard thank you for pointing it out
Not even 2min into the video and I had to stop it to tell you Simone de Beauvoir is FANTASTIC!!!!!! Her fiction is so so so good, Emily!! And her bon fiction as well. It's insane. I haven't read thar many of her yet, but I loved everything I've read of her till now. I'm new to your channel, so I don't know exactly which one would be better for you to begin with, but I guarantee you it's worth it
So I do have to say, I read The Bell Jar over 20 years ago and loved it. However, I probably didn't pick up on the racist comments at the time because I was feeling seen with the depression I was experiencing during my time in high school. But I'm glad that you did read it and told us, so that I now know that the book contains racist comments and will not recommend it anymore. So, thank you.
Mr Rochester is an interesting character because, objectively speaking, he’s not a great person (he does and says some really awful things to the people around him), but I do think he respects Jane as a human being and sees her as his intellectual equal, something which is quite rare in 19th century literature. On the other hand, St. John Rivers is purposefully portrayed as his exact opposite: he’s a conventionally “good” man by the standards of his time (kind, charitable, very religious), but he fails to see Jane for who she really is and is very condescending towards her. So I don’t necessarily think Mr Rochester is a good romantic interest in general, but I do believe he’s perfect for Jane in particular.
‘Intellectually equal’😂you’re not wrong, she is as dumb as he is. As for respecting her, are we talking about the guy who lies and manipulates her and threatens to beat her up if she doesn’t agree with him😂
I agree with you 100%. It's about Jane's character growth & what man would allow her to be free ("I am no bird; no net ensnares me"). I've listened to a video on Far From the Madding Crowd & in it the creator discusses the issue of women's role in marriage during the Victorian period which wasn't a marriage of equals, but the husband assuming a dominant role. In their marriage Rochester will have a dominant role as a man, but she'll have the dominant role in the relationship because he is dependent on her due to his loss of sight. Thus equalling the power in their relationship. Sorry for the garbled mess; I tried to remember what I was taught in university. 19th century novels are much more than just the story & Charlotte Brontë really played with power dynamics in Jane Eyre.
I read the Bell jar many years ago and I remember enjoying it. Clearly, I was not as aware of things as I am now. I would probably have the same reaction as you if I read it now
I’ve only read the inseparables by Simone de Beauvoir and I absolutely loved it! It is a fictionalised version of her relationship with her childhood best friend and it was published after her death. I definitely recommend it!
I've read The Bell Jar as a super depressed teenager and at the time I found the depiction to be pretty realistic. I haven't tried it ever since so I have no idea what I'd think about it as an adult 😅
Kinda the same! According to Goodreads, I read it in 2016. That would mean right at the peak/worst of my depression. I don't really remember the story in itself, only a certain... Feeling of "yes, that's how it is". I had trouble connecting with the MC, though. The strongest element of the book I remember is "blond character in the asylum". I just looked it up, and it's Joan, but I don't know if she's really blond. 😅 I wonder what I would think of the book now too. I have a feeling reading it would be a bit more difficult.
Clicks video proceeds to add most of your nonfiction shelf to my tbr. It’s a subject I’ve been getting more and more interested in. My cousin actually read invincible women and loved it earlier this year. Also, glad to know to stay well and clear of the bell jar. It has not aged well
I think this video definitely qualifies as a Read it or Unhaul It 😂 also HATED The Bell Jar when I read it in college. The character was insufferable, the racism, and I didn't think the depiction of mental illness was great either. It made me VERY depressed after reading it, and I promptly chucked it in the bin.😂😂
I agree with you about The Bell Jar. I read it in High School and hated it. That was a while ago so I thought about re-reading it. Thanks to your video, I will not put myself through it. ❤
I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the books, but I appreciate the honesty of this vlog! I remember feeling put off by The Bell Jar when I read it back in the day, when I had hoped to relate to it.
I’m 40 years old. That was my favorite movie when I was young. I quit “The bell jar” in a few chapters. I almost always agree with you in taste of books but I hated “the color purple” and I DNF it 🤣
I had read The Bell Jar early 2000s in high school and I remembered liking it. This summer I re-read it, and kept underlining things, so much so that I was like, oh, am I depressed? 😂 Definitely wrote a lot of “Yikes” for racist descriptions tho
It's so insane and funny how "all" the books you hate are my best friend's favorite books 😂 i swear she's a good person!! 😂 every time i talk to her about you dissing her faves, she's falsy offensed that I watched every videos of yours 😅 even tho i totally don't rwad the same things as you. But I SWEAR, she is the most open-minded and sweet person i know but for example, she adores Murakami and Sylvia Plath 😂❤.
Side note- I just noticed you had Why Does He Do That? by Lundy Bancroft on your shelf- have you read it? I don't remember you talking about it. Anyway, I read it after I read Invisible Women and Men who Hate Women. It was informative and upsetting, and I'm so glad that my husband exhibits ZERO of the traits of that book, but I can help other people if possible if their SO is like that.
I really liked The color purple. It was one of the first books i read in english and i felt it wasn't too difficult to follow along. I do recomend. And the movie also, with Whoopi Goldberg, it was very good.
The nonfiction books made me think about a book I own but didn't read yet, but it could potentially interest you! It's french and it's called L'Histoire de la misogynie by Adeline Gargam. ❤
Hi, regarding Simone de Beauvoir - I've read some of her short works at Uni and remember they gave me very weird vibe. There was an essay about her amoure a trois, basically, and how she and Sartre "invited" younger women into their relationship. And later on I've read Consent by Springora (highly recommend, though beware of trigger warnings, it's a heavy book) and learned that de Beauvoir signed the notorious petition of consent - and everything weird about her works kind of clicked. Never ever reading anything by this person again, nope.
I actively hated the Bell Jar and should not have finished it so I think you made the right choice. I am also curious about what people liked about it because, like you, I don't get it. I was vaguely interested in the Feminine Mystique but I am not sure I am now 😅
Wow! I knew there were things in The Bell Jar that were problematic but I was thinking primarily of the narrator’s treatment of her friend and the fact that she’s basically an a-hole. I didn’t remember there being so much racist stuff in there, and the fact that I somehow managed to gloss over all that is very upsetting to me. Those lines you quoted are clearly terrible. I was in high school when I read it, but still. Anyway, you asked if people like the book because it’s an accurate representation of depression: yes, in my opinion. Some like it for that and some like it because it’s Plath and they are fans of Plath’s poetry. It has that real razor blade quality to it which for me at least was a real shock the first time I read it. I’d never read anything that searing and that sharp and that tortured. The poetry, I mean, specifically Ariel. But I can totally understand your DNFing of The Bell Jar. Think I’ll stick to her poetry.
The Bell Jar was on a reading list for one of my college classes and I didn't even get halfway through. I think I ended up just looking up summaries so I could do my assignment. I don't remember anything about it. 🙃
Bonjour Emily! Sorry you had a rough reading week. For a quick pick-me-up feel-good Christmasy romance suggestion: "10 Things That Never Happened" by Alexis Hall. It's an adult gay romance that doesn't have the typical tropes that you tend to hate. It's also absolutely hilarious but made better if you listen to the audiobook. It's set inthe U.K. - so hearing all the various accents is wonderful. The narrator even won an award for his narration. If you need something to cheer you up & in a holiday mood , I highly recommend.👍 P.S. Also goes along with '10 things' lists...
I love Jane Eyre but I hated Mr. Rochester. He definitely fits the gothic romance vibes which rely on elements of horror (creepy and foreboding) but he is no 'traditional' hero to root for. That's just crazy talk by people who don't understand the gothic romance genre.
I loved Jane Eyre but you’re absolutely right about the romance: he’s a total zero. On the bright side, he probably died soon after that, leaving Jane with all his money. She’s probably getting it on with the woman upstairs as we speak. Or reading Ice Planet Barbarians, one of the two!
I think its quite unfair to expect the level of wokeness you have in 20024 from an unhappy depressed woman from 1950s...😅 Also I think if you've experienced being that depressed like sylvia plath, Bell Jar is like finally being heard and understood so maybe youre not the target audience. Also dont let your wokeness miss the whole point of the book 😮 people in the 50s were racist...people even just 10 years ago were racist and not tolerating, we have to remember that "wokeness" is a brand new concept, so when youre thinking its horrible that an author thoght this way or the other... remember rhat EVERYONE though that way 😅
so not being racist is a new concept?? Betty White and Marilyn Monroe and countless other white women from that era advocated for marginalized people. Just say that you excuse racism because it doesn’t affect you and go.
THANK YOU!!! I really didn't enjoy The bell jar but I seemed to be the only one so I didn't share my opinions!! But like, she's not likeable at all and I have a hard time connecting with her at any point in time!! And I'm neurodivergent so I should be all for it but it felt... pointless!!!
You've joined the questionable trend of saying "whenever" when you actually mean "when". They don't mean the same and are therefore not interchangeable. (Sorry, my grammar brain can't stop noticing it.) Love the idea for this series, btw.
I almost didn't post this but... not every challenge will work out so it's more realistic that way lol
I'm glad you posted! I love all your videos. ❤ How about reading the books from Patrick Stewarts reading list? 🤔
We love your videos regardless of content. ❤
Maybe you can try Lisa Simpson's reading! :)
Good idea!
The best way to describe the Bell Jar is that depression etc explains but does not excuse the behavior.
People we meet at Wuthering Heights by emily henry lol
Maybe there would be less miscommunication 😂
I loved The Bell Jar and that book made such an impression on me, but I completely understand your stance towards it and the decision to put it down. While reading it I was so put off by the main character's behaviour and thoughts, however, I couldn't help but be fascinated by such raw and I think accurate depiction of depression and the way it used to be treated back in the day. That made the reading worth for me.
What a fun concept! I loved seeing the recs for a 2024 spin on it
Ok. So I'm 78 and went through every stage of women trying so hard to be seen as capable humans equal to men.The attitude was that parents were willing to send their daughters to university solely with the motivation that she would marry a man who would get a good job and be able to support a family. The new bride was expected to work as a nurse, secretary, or teacher until she got pregnant. After the child wad born, she was to stay home and enable her husband to succeed and reach his dreams while she took care of the home and the children etc. Any woman who refused to do this was seen as weird or uppity or kept down as much as possible. Needless to say, this was horrible for women and benefited the men who were excused for having affairs and ignoring their wives and children. Women were described only by how thin and "attractive" they were to men. And we are still fighting. I married on my 21 st birthday and you are right, I choose wrong. But,video dud everything Iwas taught and it nearly destroyed me. Women should never let men define their worth!!
I’m so sorry to hear it all. I’m definitely grateful for life and opportunity I’ve had. I can’t imagine all the pressure to conform. We definitely need to keep fighting 💪
I think that when discussing The Bell Jar, we must not forget that it is an autobiographical novel, so when she mentions electroshock therapy, it is because she underwent this "treatment" herself :) Of course, you don't have to like this book because of it, but it is an important detail because it shows her thoughts and state of mind that led to her death
That's an interesting point! I knew about her end but not about the book being autobiographical... still don't like it but interesting nonetheless lol
@@BookswithEmilyFoxyes, it is even said that after its publication it pissed off many of her friends from college who recognized themselves and their stories on the pages of the book :D I think what attracts people to this book (or what attracts me) is the showing of how depression pulls a person deeper and deeper and deeper, and her depression resulted, as we already know, from several factors: childhood, the fact that someone tried to g*ape her or even so many doubts about her future. The awareness, that despite such great dreams and the potential that she saw in herself, everything was supposed to lead to the birth of children, and she had no allies.l on her side. Later, she describes her stay in a psychiatric hospital, the mentioned electroshocks and how difficult the experience was. And I think that, because it's her last and only novel and it's autobiographical, it's of great value because it explains to us what happened to her :)
Didn't Sylvia Plath unalive herself not long after she wrote this?
@natcommon was published in January 1963, she died in February of the same year
The Feminine Mystique could be read like an historical document such as the Declaration of Independence. Friedan spawned a feminist revolution that grew to include minority women. It is very fair to note that she wrote from a privileged white woman’s perspective, but it began a discussion that persists to today. Thus it was a world-changing document.
I’m hoping to finish it and be able to see that more. The first two chapters were of course just establishing the current state so I didn’t get to the important part!
The Bell Jar can be seen as a semi biografical novel, when i looked more into her life the book makes more sense. There are also quite a few references to her poetry ( i think you'd perfer some of them).
What made me personally appreciate it was that it was the first novel of a severly depressed women I'd read and unfortunately related to her deep sadness a lot. Also reading it as a semi biography I looked at it as more of a lense into the mindset of a depressed person of that time and how society/medicine "treated" or react to a person suffering mentally.
I do understand if her character flaws make it unpleasant, i truethfully forgot about all the racecism, probably skimmed over those bit at the time. So in that regard thank you for pointing it out
Not even 2min into the video and I had to stop it to tell you Simone de Beauvoir is FANTASTIC!!!!!! Her fiction is so so so good, Emily!! And her bon fiction as well. It's insane.
I haven't read thar many of her yet, but I loved everything I've read of her till now. I'm new to your channel, so I don't know exactly which one would be better for you to begin with, but I guarantee you it's worth it
So I do have to say, I read The Bell Jar over 20 years ago and loved it. However, I probably didn't pick up on the racist comments at the time because I was feeling seen with the depression I was experiencing during my time in high school. But I'm glad that you did read it and told us, so that I now know that the book contains racist comments and will not recommend it anymore. So, thank you.
Mr Rochester is an interesting character because, objectively speaking, he’s not a great person (he does and says some really awful things to the people around him), but I do think he respects Jane as a human being and sees her as his intellectual equal, something which is quite rare in 19th century literature. On the other hand, St. John Rivers is purposefully portrayed as his exact opposite: he’s a conventionally “good” man by the standards of his time (kind, charitable, very religious), but he fails to see Jane for who she really is and is very condescending towards her. So I don’t necessarily think Mr Rochester is a good romantic interest in general, but I do believe he’s perfect for Jane in particular.
‘Intellectually equal’😂you’re not wrong, she is as dumb as he is. As for respecting her, are we talking about the guy who lies and manipulates her and threatens to beat her up if she doesn’t agree with him😂
I agree with you 100%. It's about Jane's character growth & what man would allow her to be free ("I am no bird; no net ensnares me"). I've listened to a video on Far From the Madding Crowd & in it the creator discusses the issue of women's role in marriage during the Victorian period which wasn't a marriage of equals, but the husband assuming a dominant role. In their marriage Rochester will have a dominant role as a man, but she'll have the dominant role in the relationship because he is dependent on her due to his loss of sight. Thus equalling the power in their relationship.
Sorry for the garbled mess; I tried to remember what I was taught in university. 19th century novels are much more than just the story & Charlotte Brontë really played with power dynamics in Jane Eyre.
i just watched the movie for the first time a week ago and i'm OBSESSED so this video comes at a perfect time 😭🫶
I read the Bell jar many years ago and I remember enjoying it. Clearly, I was not as aware of things as I am now. I would probably have the same reaction as you if I read it now
I’ve only read the inseparables by Simone de Beauvoir and I absolutely loved it! It is a fictionalised version of her relationship with her childhood best friend and it was published after her death. I definitely recommend it!
Emily is a cure for my upset stomach. Thank you.
I've read The Bell Jar as a super depressed teenager and at the time I found the depiction to be pretty realistic. I haven't tried it ever since so I have no idea what I'd think about it as an adult 😅
Kinda the same!
According to Goodreads, I read it in 2016. That would mean right at the peak/worst of my depression. I don't really remember the story in itself, only a certain... Feeling of "yes, that's how it is". I had trouble connecting with the MC, though.
The strongest element of the book I remember is "blond character in the asylum". I just looked it up, and it's Joan, but I don't know if she's really blond. 😅
I wonder what I would think of the book now too. I have a feeling reading it would be a bit more difficult.
Clicks video proceeds to add most of your nonfiction shelf to my tbr. It’s a subject I’ve been getting more and more interested in. My cousin actually read invincible women and loved it earlier this year. Also, glad to know to stay well and clear of the bell jar. It has not aged well
I've been doing yearly round up of the non fiction I've read if you want more recommendations:
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@@BookswithEmilyFox Oh wow thank you! I will definitely check out the video!
I think this video definitely qualifies as a Read it or Unhaul It 😂 also HATED The Bell Jar when I read it in college. The character was insufferable, the racism, and I didn't think the depiction of mental illness was great either. It made me VERY depressed after reading it, and I promptly chucked it in the bin.😂😂
I'm glad you posted this challenge even if you didn't like the books Kate liked.
Isaac from Heartstopper always has a book in his hand, reading his list could be fun.
I agree with you about The Bell Jar. I read it in High School and hated it. That was a while ago so I thought about re-reading it. Thanks to your video, I will not put myself through it. ❤
I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the books, but I appreciate the honesty of this vlog! I remember feeling put off by The Bell Jar when I read it back in the day, when I had hoped to relate to it.
Love your reviews Emily!!! Thank you for sharing with us 🫶☺️
I’m 40 years old. That was my favorite movie when I was young.
I quit “The bell jar” in a few chapters. I almost always agree with you in taste of books but I hated “the color purple” and I DNF it 🤣
I had read The Bell Jar early 2000s in high school and I remembered liking it. This summer I re-read it, and kept underlining things, so much so that I was like, oh, am I depressed? 😂 Definitely wrote a lot of “Yikes” for racist descriptions tho
Lots of “relatable” quotes of how when you are depressed you become self-absorbed and sick of yourself as well as everything/everyone else .
I haven’t read Jane Eyre since school but I have a copy of wuthering heights to read as i never have. I also loved the colour purple!
In case you didn't know, 10 Things I Hate About You is a retelling of Shakespeare's Taming of the Shrew
Yes! I love how so many movies at the time were retellings like Clueless!
I read The Bell Jar for the first time as a depressed teenager. I was unimpressed. I reread it as an adult and I was still unimpressed. 🤷♀️
It's so insane and funny how "all" the books you hate are my best friend's favorite books 😂 i swear she's a good person!! 😂 every time i talk to her about you dissing her faves, she's falsy offensed that I watched every videos of yours 😅 even tho i totally don't rwad the same things as you. But I SWEAR, she is the most open-minded and sweet person i know but for example, she adores Murakami and Sylvia Plath 😂❤.
LOL that's so funny! You'll know which book to recommend from my worst book of the year XD
I honestly think too many people are conflating Romantic era literature with romance novels.
Read like the Friends!
Added to the list! I won't give a third shot to the shining though :P
Side note- I just noticed you had Why Does He Do That? by Lundy Bancroft on your shelf- have you read it? I don't remember you talking about it. Anyway, I read it after I read Invisible Women and Men who Hate Women. It was informative and upsetting, and I'm so glad that my husband exhibits ZERO of the traits of that book, but I can help other people if possible if their SO is like that.
YAY! First poster!!!
I really liked The color purple. It was one of the first books i read in english and i felt it wasn't too difficult to follow along. I do recomend. And the movie also, with Whoopi Goldberg, it was very good.
The nonfiction books made me think about a book I own but didn't read yet, but it could potentially interest you! It's french and it's called L'Histoire de la misogynie by Adeline Gargam. ❤
I am with you with The Bell Jar, I hated that character and the book also, rated with 1 start and dnfed
Hi, regarding Simone de Beauvoir - I've read some of her short works at Uni and remember they gave me very weird vibe. There was an essay about her amoure a trois, basically, and how she and Sartre "invited" younger women into their relationship. And later on I've read Consent by Springora (highly recommend, though beware of trigger warnings, it's a heavy book) and learned that de Beauvoir signed the notorious petition of consent - and everything weird about her works kind of clicked. Never ever reading anything by this person again, nope.
I actively hated the Bell Jar and should not have finished it so I think you made the right choice. I am also curious about what people liked about it because, like you, I don't get it. I was vaguely interested in the Feminine Mystique but I am not sure I am now 😅
I'll let you know once I'm done! I was really hoping bell jar would work for me but... it really didnt lol
Wow! I knew there were things in The Bell Jar that were problematic but I was thinking primarily of the narrator’s treatment of her friend and the fact that she’s basically an a-hole. I didn’t remember there being so much racist stuff in there, and the fact that I somehow managed to gloss over all that is very upsetting to me. Those lines you quoted are clearly terrible. I was in high school when I read it, but still. Anyway, you asked if people like the book because it’s an accurate representation of depression: yes, in my opinion. Some like it for that and some like it because it’s Plath and they are fans of Plath’s poetry. It has that real razor blade quality to it which for me at least was a real shock the first time I read it. I’d never read anything that searing and that sharp and that tortured. The poetry, I mean, specifically Ariel. But I can totally understand your DNFing of The Bell Jar. Think I’ll stick to her poetry.
I can't believe I still haven't read any of the books by the Brontë sisters.
The Bell Jar was on a reading list for one of my college classes and I didn't even get halfway through. I think I ended up just looking up summaries so I could do my assignment. I don't remember anything about it. 🙃
As a person who’s struggled with major depression for a long time but isn’t a racist a**hole I despise The Bell Jar
Bonjour Emily! Sorry you had a rough reading week. For a quick pick-me-up feel-good Christmasy romance suggestion: "10 Things That Never Happened" by Alexis Hall.
It's an adult gay romance that doesn't have the typical tropes that you tend to hate. It's also absolutely hilarious but made better if you listen to the audiobook. It's set inthe U.K. - so hearing all the various accents is wonderful. The narrator even won an award for his narration.
If you need something to cheer you up & in a holiday mood , I highly recommend.👍
P.S. Also goes along with '10 things' lists...
I just read 10 Things That Never Happened earlier this month! I loved it, Hall is one of my favourite authors 🥰
Thank you, I'll check my library for it!
I love Jane Eyre but I hated Mr. Rochester. He definitely fits the gothic romance vibes which rely on elements of horror (creepy and foreboding) but he is no 'traditional' hero to root for. That's just crazy talk by people who don't understand the gothic romance genre.
He's definitely a strange character to idealize :/
Lol the "she went around the globe being racist" comment😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Listen, points for originality. I’d never seen one about Aztecs 💀
@BookswithEmilyFox Aztecs???? AHAHAHAHAHAHAH Definitely points for originality ahahahahah
Rory for the win.🎉
Pre university Rory specifically 😂
@BookswithEmilyFox 💯
I loved Jane Eyre but you’re absolutely right about the romance: he’s a total zero. On the bright side, he probably died soon after that, leaving Jane with all his money. She’s probably getting it on with the woman upstairs as we speak. Or reading Ice Planet Barbarians, one of the two!
Hopefully! I find myself hoping for more for the female characters when I read classics… not very realistic 😂
I know. The classics are brutal. Thank god for Jane Austen. 😆
Never been so early 🎉😂
I also hated The Bell Jar and I genuinely don't get the hype.
I was going to suggest Hermione Granger, but... 😂
I think its quite unfair to expect the level of wokeness you have in 20024 from an unhappy depressed woman from 1950s...😅 Also I think if you've experienced being that depressed like sylvia plath, Bell Jar is like finally being heard and understood so maybe youre not the target audience. Also dont let your wokeness miss the whole point of the book 😮 people in the 50s were racist...people even just 10 years ago were racist and not tolerating, we have to remember that "wokeness" is a brand new concept, so when youre thinking its horrible that an author thoght this way or the other... remember rhat EVERYONE though that way 😅
so not being racist is a new concept?? Betty White and Marilyn Monroe and countless other white women from that era advocated for marginalized people. Just say that you excuse racism because it doesn’t affect you and go.
Have you read the Hobbit?
yaaaaaaaaaaas
THANK YOU!!! I really didn't enjoy The bell jar but I seemed to be the only one so I didn't share my opinions!! But like, she's not likeable at all and I have a hard time connecting with her at any point in time!! And I'm neurodivergent so I should be all for it but it felt... pointless!!!
You've joined the questionable trend of saying "whenever" when you actually mean "when". They don't mean the same and are therefore not interchangeable. (Sorry, my grammar brain can't stop noticing it.)
Love the idea for this series, btw.