I’m an OU fan who comes in peace. Much respect for your program. I personally do not like Riley’s coaching style. Can he change? Yes, and he needs to do something whether it be fire Grinch or modify his philosophy overall. I do not trust him.
Same here. I have nothing but respect for USC as a program. And I respect all these guys in the video for telling it like it is. All of us Oklahoma fans aren't saying anything different from what we were saying when he was here. And it is well documented .Just look at the comment section of Lincoln Riley press conference after the Baylor game in 2021. Lincoln Riley's defense was consistently bad .... And then his offense struggled in 2021. We wrote it off as Spencer rattler not being good enough. And then the offense struggled against Baylor and Iowa State plus struggled against Kansas.... We blame that on Caleb being a Tru freshman. The truth is that his defense was bad and then his offense was also bad at times
Appreciate you commenting here. Riley needs to scrap the Leach approach to GO5 football, figure out what real PHYSICAL football looks like, and adjust accordingly. He has ZERO future until he becomes like Whittingham in his approach to the game. And then he can learn how to manage the clock. He's woeful there.
@@brianjacob8728He’s had physical OLines though at Oklahoma right? He did run the ball there successfully and he’s put RBs and OL cats into the NFL as well. The OL here just isn’t good enough and until the season started I bet he and we all thought it would be adequate enough. When we get it going he doesn’t stick with it either. Grinch you just CAN’T have back. Utah is not good on offense and were a patchwork team. We gave them their best performance and some of his alignments and matchups AGAIN were major issues and head scratchers.
As a former High School and NCAA D2 coach-one of the hardest things to do is to teach Defensive Ends or outside LB to stay at home and “set the edge “. Set the edge means never go deeper than the ball and stay on the outside shoulder of the offensive player in front of you. The last 2 season this very rarely happened. Always rushing deeper than the ball and drifting inside. Can’t play defense if you can’t set the edge.
I’m a Sooner fan, and I have nothing but respect for you guys. USC is a blue blood. You deserve better. We deserved better. If Lincoln wasn’t so arrogant, he could be great. But he’s losing control of his program and his surroundings. He needs help and he won’t admit it.
thx for opining and I agree with you, but Riley's issues are deeper than that. Football is a physical game. If you're going to pretend otherwise, you're not coaching the right sport. Try for women's softball. That seems to be more appropriate for Riley and Grinch.
I believe another legit question is without Riley governing Caleb like he should is Caleb's attitude and ego starting to cost this football team. Dont get me twisted here, Caleb is a really good player, but something is off about him lately.
I think he’s feeling all the pressure is on him. He’s having to single handedly carry the team every week and there’s no room for error. Similar to how Spencer Rattler was ruined.
I appreciate that you all are calling it straight. Riley took a BAD strength coach and a BAD defensive coordinator with him. What upset OU was his taking Caleb and Mario Williams and McCutchen from OU to USC. Lincoln only watches out for Lincoln... USC will end up on the short end .... but only for a while. You all deserve a great head coach and you will find one when Lincoln goes to the NFL
Hate to say it, but OU fans warned us about Riley, this isn't surprising to them. The issues run to the top with Riley. I hope Jenn Cohen grabs her man balls and cleans the swamp in the football program, because Riley won't do it. Maybe, we need to hire a dedicated OC and have Riley focus on being a head coach. Riley will follow suit with Tom Herman at Texas(another former young talented coach), he'll be out of our program by year four.
Not a surprise to me. I just had wised, he learned he’s lesson at Oklahoma. Wishing for suckers. Dude needs to improve EVERYTHING especially his demeanor.
Coming from a Utah fan. Pete Carroll used to practice physical af. Former players used to say practice was harder than the games itself and that’s why they were so ready come game day. Lincoln is too focused on a flash in the pan approach. USC needs to get physical and focus on that especially headed to the B1G. The skill players always will come to SC. If USC focus’ on physicality and practicing that way I think they would get back to being elite. Lincoln Riley is not the coach to do that though.
This loss was due to 3 primary things: 1) Caleb Williams SELFISHLY trying to pad his stats as a PASSER after having a terrible last week at Notre Dame, and therefore NOT running / using his legs against Utah as much as he should have (including failure to convert two 2 pt conversions for 4 points total). 2) Bryson Barnes UNSELFISHLY using his legs to hurt USC all night long (even more so than he did with his passing). 3) Alex Grinch failing time and time again to adjust to Utah / Barnes' strategy of continuing to use his legs to hurt USC (even on that final drive). How Riley keeps Grinch on as a defensive coordinator when he has completely failed to win against a single good team (namely Utah 3 times now because USC hasn't played Oregon or Washington yet in 2 seasons, although those games are coming up pretty soon), and just barely survives against teams that USC should be defeating comfortably, is beyond me?
I have nothing but respect for USC as a program. And I respect all these guys in the video for telling it like it is. All of us Oklahoma fans aren't saying anything different from what we were saying when he was here. And it is well documented .Just look at the comment section of Lincoln Riley press conference after the Baylor game in 2021. Lincoln Riley's defense was consistently bad .... And then his offense struggled in 2021. We wrote it off as Spencer rattler not being good enough. And then the offense struggled against Baylor and Iowa State plus struggled against Kansas.... We blame that on Caleb being a Tru freshman. The truth is that his defense was bad and then his offense was also bad at times
PACKAGE DEAL: What makes anybody in, "The Media," think that any NFL team would hire Lincoln Riley and pay him more money than USC? Would Caleb Williams owe him a favor of some kind to bring him along? He's got more things to worry about than "The Media" and shieding his players from them!
As long as Lincoln Riley coaches USC they will keep losing games like Notre Dame and Utah because they are soft on both sides of the ball and defense is a alien concept to Riley.
Lincoln Riley is a average coach that inherited many elite quarterbacks at OU. Which helped him recruit Caleb. He is not a offensive genius. He is a legend in his own mind. His play sheet is a post it note. It says Caleb run around and make shit up.
Love you guys, but this is why we all tune in. I LOVE THIS!!!! 35:11, then Erik staying professional but cracking the smile at 35:54. I don't want Musings with Arlidge, I want straight rants!
The offense needs a spark, they should get the ball into Zachariah Branch’s hands more on offense. They should target him on passing plays at least 10 times a game.
Does anyone think that Caleb get just upset when watching the Grinch’s defense. One nice thing with the Cal game it’s on the pac12 network so Lincoln, Riley, and grinch can’t embarrass themselves on national TV
As expected, the panel is seeing what we see...clearly...Now its up to Riley to become a real head coach next year by purging his Oklahoma-based staff, bringing in both a new O Coordinator and D-Coordinator, support staffs, sports performance, and recruiting advisor(s) (like an Ed Orgeron). USC paid for an elite coach and they are entitled to an elite coaching staff to support him. As for this year, he has an opportunity to sit Grinch after UCLA and let his D-Advisor simply things over the 3-4 weeks before whatever the bowl game (Gasparilla? Famous Idaho?)..........Oh, and great column by Chris at WeAreSC...
Riley’s early success at OU should be a credited to he walked in with Bobby Stoops staff and players. When his recruits time came OU declined drastically. Firing Mike Stoops bought him another season. SC is in trouble.
Keep Nua if he will stay he's aces. Not sure about Dante, but I am seeing some improvement there and he's a great recruiter. Don't count on coach O. I doubt he'd even be interested.
Not a coincidence that USC hasn’t got any sacks the last two games when they’ve played the two most physical and best teams on the schedule to that point.
The season started in SB. Any assessments based on the first 6 games were going to be misleading to the positive. The fact that so many negatives became painfully obvious portended what is now happening, and will continue. I think USC loses out from here.
@Chris…I can’t believe I found you via youtube. Hope you are well. Sorry about USC. I told Jin that USC will be at best 11-2 with LR. I’ve watched him at OU for years and he doesn’t know how to finish. If he can’t keep a team focused in Norman, he definitely won’t in LA. Grinch is all on LR. I was shocked that he brought him to USC.
Riley seems like hes afraid to open the playbook on offense.. He can't seem to get the O-line together for starters.. If Caleb is getting pressure, throw in a fullback or a blocking tight end to help.. His own offense continues to get out schemed,and is being outcoached by every team now, much like Grinch's pathetic schematics on Defense! Just horrific! This team has plenty of playmakers and talent, but Riley seems completely discombobulated on how to call a game.. This isn't all on the players, this mess mostly falls strictly on these incompetent coaches! This is utterly embarrassing now and could get much worse if he doesn't figure out something now!
Jeezus… I think Marc should coach!!! He has all the answers and knows what he wants in his team that he owns. Let him watch practice so he can tell the other coaches what they are not doing right. #InMarcWeTrust
Love your program! 60 years a Trojan fan! Seen really BAD and CHAMPIONSHIP YEARS! This is WORST than Helton years cuz we have a better team but not better coaching! I'm old school! RUN THE DAMN BALL! RUN THE BALL! We should have beat Utah by running the ball! Angel USC'78
What is usc doing with air raid? SC is a ground and pound team. Look at the history of great backs SC produced. All the great linemen. Enough of finesse football.
I think some people, myself included, began having doubts about Riley when he made the decision to bring Grinch. Ok you'd give it a chance because Riley had shown himself to be a great QB-passing game coach, he wasn't Helton, and the early returns on Riley-Caleb duo were terrific. They weren't a great "team" last season because of personnel deficiencies, and you saw the same BS from Grinch that we saw in Norman, and the defense completely fell apart at the end of last season. Fast forward a year. Your Heisman winning QB is still here, but he and Riley's offense isn't as good, and the awful defense remains despite the influx of better talent. The program has a head coaching issue now, just as it has since Pete left. Same brand of football with more attractive packaging.
I feel your pain, but he does what he does and he'll tell you what he's up to if you listen carefully. He's going to retire early (or leave for a better deal). He doesn't care too much about criticism anymore bc he's locked in his early retirement payday. He knows it will be hard to get rid of him. He can ride out his contract and retire rich. USC raided the OU coaches and players, but spared OU the ugly divorce. BTW, he'll talk sht about you too once he leaves.
He seems to be very happy that he's not recognized in LA, his kids can live a normal life, unlike when he was in Oklahoma. They may be able to live a normal life real soon when he's no longer in LA!
We are who we were afraid we'd be. Having said that, some new blood in the coaching room and a bona fide DC next year can really help turn things around, quick. Fight on! ✌✌✌
He wont fire grinch. He was under pressure to do that at oklahoma. He had the perfect opportunity to leave grinch at oklahoma but he chose to bring him. They are boys...trust us... they are the real package deal
CW is gonna end college ball without a PAC-2 conf. Ring and no bowl win. The kid is super talented. That is 💯% mismanagement of his career on Riley’s part. A damn shame.
Riely was hired as head coach at Oklahoma but they were established and he didn't have to build it. Here he has to build it and he maybe realizing it isn't easy
Everyone says without Caleb, the team would be hurting even more. I believe it’s the opposite. We would be running more which we need to do. Caleb and Riley were out to win the second Heisman. The team came second. They wanted the razzle dazzle of running around the pocket with those great last second throws. It worked last year, but the competions defense knows about that now. He holds on to the ball and gets creamed. Riley and Caleb are buddies instead of Coach/player. After three interceptions, the back up, Moss should have come in. He’s no slouch. I just don’t like it. How many times did the play clock come down to 1 second before the ball was hiked. Times to do that, but not all the time. I just don’t like it. How many Carrie’s did Marshon L (spelling) get in the game. Look how Arizona ran the ball with Scaterbo (spelling). Play after play after play. Run the ball stupid. When the defense is expecting run after run it opens up receivers down field. I thought the Helton years were gone. Coaching. It’s all about Riley and Williams. How’s that working out now?
Actually agree. Playing moss would force Riley to run a more balance offense and he's have to set up his passing game off of the run, which it should have been all along. But Riley would have to run physical practices to get this offensive line to jell and that's not happening now. Riley created this mess with his wrong approach to the game. If he's serious about restoring his image, he needs to start over with his approach to the game and start hitting early and often. I doubt he has it in him to do this.
It's all Chris's fault. Instant replay-every time Chris says "_____has the worse offense/defense in football, they just do" said offense/defense has its best game ever. :) But seriously, we USC fans need to stop acting like other teams are just crap and we should walk all over them, it's not reality. Look at last few weeks Pac 12 games. Last week ASU gave Washington fits is everyone excoriating the huskies?
Caleb isn’t gonna win the Heisman, so stop calling plays to add to his highlight reel. U hired Kiel McDonald (RB Coach) away from Utah, it’s time to use him. The easiest way to show how tough u r, follow a former member of the coaching staff that owns u and run the ball. I’m not saying to run it 80/20, but 60/40. It will help protect the D, giving the chance to rest and recover.
Here’s Webster’s Dictionary definition of Muleshoe; moo-el-shoo, a quiet west Texas town, also used as an adjective to describe person(s) capable of double speaking regarding two of their possible occupational locales while jetting unannounced to a third. Used as a verb, to describe the act of being oblivious to all superiors, the press corps, and blind devotion to one’s mutually oblivious defensive coordinator. Used in the past tense as if to be muleshoed; similar in context to a fully extended punt kick to the groin of a fan base and taking zero responsibility or questions thereof. Used in the first person as in I was muleshoed, see photo of Caleb Williams or see photo of Lincoln Riley muleshoed by photo of Alex Grinch or photos of USC and OU’s athletic directors.
Thank you Greg Katz for finally saying it - the team has a divided locker room on its hands now. I truly believe that the NIL dark side is finally rearing its head. When you have kid millionaires walking around and flashing their expensive clothes, cars and accessories, amongst other players who get paid regular salaries (whatever the stipend is now at SC) those other players do not want to go to war for Caleb or with CLR. It is obvious that many starters do not give 100% effort in the game. This explains the underwhelming performances across the board. It is sad that it's gotten to this point that quickly. But that speaks of the soft nature of the leadership by CLR. Same thing is going on at Texas A&M, by the way. I do hope we can still right the ship somehow and not go the way of A&M, which would be truly pathetic.
@@underthesun312 All these teams have issues - Alabama (coach who is GOAT, tough, demanding, authoritative) and Ohio State great still but showing cracks, Georgia (NIL + best recruiting ground) with behavior issues by players with all these arrests and driving tickets, Michigan - wheels are about to come off of that one with the cheating scandal (I am so happy Harbaugh will have what's coming to him soon), I could go on and on...
Do you want to be a fashion model or a football player. I think they all should be wearing the same thing when they come into a stadium especially on the road
The real issue with Riley is that he is a QB coach, and probably shouldn't even be an offensive coordinator, let alone a head coach. He has done quite well guiding 3 recent QBs to Heisman trophies, and helped another who had already won the Heisman (Jalen Hurts) to prepare for the NFL. But the way he runs the offense (if he is indeed running it) just drives the whole team ragged. That up-tempo hurry up style of offense, when snapping the ball with 30 secs left on the clock is not a particularly good idea. Even if the offense succeeds and scores, the drive is over within 2 to 3 minutes. That doesn't give the defense adequate time to rest. And when the offense doesn't succeed, that just means the defense has to go out into the field that much faster! By the end of the game, players on both sides are probably having to play way too many snaps, and it's especially harmful for the defense, who tire out quicker. This is just not a good overall formula. Other teams use up-tempo offenses as well, including Oregon, but even they use it more selectively and strategically. I suggest that Lincoln Riley realize that and not wear out our players to the point of exhaustion, so that they are not left totally vulnerable in the 4th quarter.
Guys - here is the absolute best choice to replace Alex Grinch: Jesse Minter - DC at Michigan. He’s a young up and comer whose built an incredible defense in the Big 10 and may quickly evolve into the next “hot” head coaching candidate. He would be a perfect fit for Riley’s staff as they prepare to transition over to the Big 10
The media can say what it will now but they pumped up this team as well, when in reality your offensive and defensive line is still lacking in physical ability to control the line of scrimmage its lineup 2-te and go every game.
I love your show, guys, but commercials every two minutes is ridiculous!!! Almost as much advertising time as content time. I'm close to giving up on the show...sorry.☹
Utes fan. Love watching CW. And wish USC was better (just not against Utah). I think CW got used to doing the Caleb Williams show. Last year, everybody wanted to bring the house on him. Including Utah. And that's where the problems began. And Utah won only because CR7 loves a good shootout. This year, Utah, was like "nope, we aren't doing the Caleb Williams show. We are dropping 7, controlled pressure, and making him play football like the other 21 guys in the field." And something like that just didn't occur to USC... But I think CW is a smart guy and he will figure it out...
2 point conversion entire offensive line tried cutting Utah's defensive line and caleb held the ball and Utah's defensive line was all over hime while our line just laid there
Last week, I was ragging on here about Riley & how Caleb was running like a naked guy in a prison shower... This week, seriously apoligize for adding to your misery. It sounds more like Riley's "illness" is Administrative Leave forced by the Dean & AD
Id be shocked if they didn't lose Ja'Kobi Lane, Sam Greene, A'Marion Peterson, Raleek Brown, Korey Foreman, Raesjon Davis, Anthony Lucas to the TP. Barrs and Sullivan are seniors. If they have eligibility. I don't see either coming back. WTH was Darwin Barlow thinking not hitting the TP last season.
Some people say grinch has to be good because he was hired by Ohio state, but they fail to realize that he shared to D coordinator job and only lasted that season
LR is a first time HC. He was protected at Oklahoma with Stoops advice & the entire administration guiding him with national attention not to implode. LR is a good coach but not elite in all phases of coaching. USC will win 8-10 games a year. LR is obligated to Grinch coming to SC & isn’t going anywhere. I said the LA media will turn on Riley quickly. SC has only lost 2 games ugly or not. Losing 6 games in 2 years would be expected but spoiled & expectations were way high on a Offensive HC. Bob Stoops built Riley into something he is not. If Stoops does not hire Riley at OU he would still be a OC at a mid major on the east coast or mid west. Riley knows what he is and saw a retirement fund and USC was a perfect ship. This is why he didn’t take the LSU job. LSU would have been a quicker disaster. Remember this is the same SC administration that gave Helton an extension. Live with the 8-10 wins a year going into the Big 10 then fire him immediately & cash him out and go get Kyle Wilingham with whatever money you can raise….
Also, last year's team didn't have to play Oregon or Washington, or otherwise it's not very different from this year. They barely beat a bunch of mediocre Pac-12 teams last year that they should have otherwise dominated. And of course, they got beat twice by the only good team they played (Utah). Well, it's happening again this year, and because they will have to play Oregon and Washington, it will be even worse! 😮🙄
Why is everyone so surprised with Grinch having a true freshman cover a makeshift running back? He has had a true freshman playing linebacker for most of the season when he clearly shouldn’t have been. This is what he does. He is incapable of putting the best players on the field, and when they are on the field he puts them at a disadvantage.
What can we say? The mix just isn’t there right now. Everyone sees it and it’s obvious. Lincoln Riley, I am 100% sure, has put all of his effort into making this team into a national championship team. But there were many things in the way. NIL chief among them. Riley needs to start paying college players. I am talking about those recruits who are blue chip offensive and defensive players. Period. If he starts doing this (and please remember all the other bigtime programs are doing the same thing and have been since 2021) then things will happen in a good way and in short order. He is under tremendous pressure. Lately there are reports that he may be stepping back as head coach. I pray that he hasn’t experienced anything like a heart attack. The pressure that comes along with being a head coach needs to be respected, and I certainly hope that Lincoln Riley, who has two daughters and a wife is going to be ok. Not just that, but able to resume his dream job, being the head coach for USC. I hope everyone who reads this will be able to express some compassion and support for this young man, regardless of how much money he is being paid to do his job.
Bro ur way off...he's leaving alright...on Caleb's coattails if he can find a team that will take em both. Once Riley's ego takes big hits like it's took this season and like it took when he left Oklahoma right before he left Oklahoma he turns tail and runs Mark r words he ain't there for the Long Haul baby
wrong on the coach speak. When JR got raped vs Missouri in 1976, he came out and said things are going to change. And they did. USC would have won another NC had they recognized and adopted that mentality in fall camp. Riley needs to be brutally honest with himself and the media. He sucks. Things need to change.
Amen Chris,.... as usual. SMH. Caleb Williams is Jekyll & Hyde. Unrefined talent - he doesn't deserve to be #1 in the draft or even the first QB in the draft, but I do like having our 8th Heisman in Heritage Hall. But at this point, the dude is an embarrassment. AS FOR THE "D" wow against a barely functional offense made them look like world beaters. I think name an interim DC and fire Donte immediately. WHO really thinks Riley was to sick to make his podcast appointment. Not a good look to circle the wagons already. He simply wasn't ready for prime time, and he was NEVER the best OC in the country - he doesn't believe in the run game. Makes us wonder why he insisted on closed practices. Not even going to talk about his bloated salary and bennies now - I'd puke my breakfast. Wish we could fire up the Gulfstream and re-deposit CLR back in Norman. Man has ZERO cred left at this point -- so early SMH Totally agree with Chris & Marc
Don't get the Mcafee hate. That show was so dry and boring for the past decade before they put him on. They rarely interacted with the fans. It seems like Herbstreit actually enjoys his job now.
Lincoln Riley is NOT the right coach for USC. He's a clown 🤡. 2-5 vs Top 25 at SC, 1-5 overall in bowl games, 0-3 in Playoffs, 0-3 vs Utah. At least Helton had a Winning record vs Utah.
Also if you listen to him, he said he doesn't care about his legacy and wants to retire at a young age. You get a legacy by winning big games. So he's saying he doesn't care about winning. Next point, to be able to retire at an early age, you have to make alot of money. So y'all stuck till someone offers him more money. Then he'll take his circus act over there and prepare for one half of a football game 😂
I am an OU fan I don't come in peace, yall deserve all of this crap, if yall were winning yall would be trashing us, sucks to suck! Its funny year 2 for BV, 7-0.
I’m an OU fan who comes in peace. Much respect for your program. I personally do not like Riley’s coaching style. Can he change? Yes, and he needs to do something whether it be fire Grinch or modify his philosophy overall. I do not trust him.
Same here. I have nothing but respect for USC as a program. And I respect all these guys in the video for telling it like it is. All of us Oklahoma fans aren't saying anything different from what we were saying when he was here. And it is well documented .Just look at the comment section of Lincoln Riley press conference after the Baylor game in 2021. Lincoln Riley's defense was consistently bad .... And then his offense struggled in 2021. We wrote it off as Spencer rattler not being good enough. And then the offense struggled against Baylor and Iowa State plus struggled against Kansas.... We blame that on Caleb being a Tru freshman. The truth is that his defense was bad and then his offense was also bad at times
Stinkin Lincoln has no morals and is a Habitual Liar
Appreciate you commenting here. Riley needs to scrap the Leach approach to GO5 football, figure out what real PHYSICAL football looks like, and adjust accordingly. He has ZERO future until he becomes like Whittingham in his approach to the game. And then he can learn how to manage the clock. He's woeful there.
@@brianjacob8728He’s had physical OLines though at Oklahoma right? He did run the ball there successfully and he’s put RBs and OL cats into the NFL as well. The OL here just isn’t good enough and until the season started I bet he and we all thought it would be adequate enough. When we get it going he doesn’t stick with it either.
Grinch you just CAN’T have back. Utah is not good on offense and were a patchwork team. We gave them their best performance and some of his alignments and matchups AGAIN were major issues and head scratchers.
@@pmiahky only the ones he inherited from bob stoops. he hasn't been able to recruit/coach up that level of talent since.
As a former High School and NCAA D2 coach-one of the hardest things to do is to teach Defensive Ends or outside LB to stay at home and “set the edge “. Set the edge means never go deeper than the ball and stay on the outside shoulder of the offensive player in front of you. The last 2 season this very rarely happened. Always rushing deeper than the ball and drifting inside. Can’t play defense if you can’t set the edge.
I’m a Sooner fan, and I have nothing but respect for you guys. USC is a blue blood. You deserve better. We deserved better. If Lincoln wasn’t so arrogant, he could be great. But he’s losing control of his program and his surroundings. He needs help and he won’t admit it.
thx for opining and I agree with you, but Riley's issues are deeper than that. Football is a physical game. If you're going to pretend otherwise, you're not coaching the right sport. Try for women's softball. That seems to be more appropriate for Riley and Grinch.
I believe another legit question is without Riley governing Caleb like he should is Caleb's attitude and ego starting to cost this football team. Dont get me twisted here, Caleb is a really good player, but something is off about him lately.
I said the same thing. Something is off with Caleb.
Caleb is good if he’s protected. He seems rattled when he’s not. That’s where he makes mistakes, IMO. Not the Heisman deserving player people expect.
Yeah, is Caleb HOLIER-THAN-THOU?
he’s rightfully upset. they’re losing games.
I think he’s feeling all the pressure is on him. He’s having to single handedly carry the team every week and there’s no room for error. Similar to how Spencer Rattler was ruined.
I appreciate that you all are calling it straight. Riley took a BAD strength coach and a BAD defensive coordinator with him. What upset OU was his taking Caleb and Mario Williams and McCutchen from OU to USC. Lincoln only watches out for Lincoln... USC will end up on the short end .... but only for a while. You all deserve a great head coach and you will find one when Lincoln goes to the NFL
Usc fans realizing Oklahoma fans were right about everything is worse than usc losing.
SC made their decision based on Riley’s celebrity. He is an outstanding OC but lacks the skill set to be an effective ball coach. Fact
@@THarjo-ks6pf bingo
Haha…that was f’ing funny.
Hate to say it, but OU fans warned us about Riley, this isn't surprising to them. The issues run to the top with Riley. I hope Jenn Cohen grabs her man balls and cleans the swamp in the football program, because Riley won't do it. Maybe, we need to hire a dedicated OC and have Riley focus on being a head coach.
Riley will follow suit with Tom Herman at Texas(another former young talented coach), he'll be out of our program by year four.
Riley is a qb coach. That's it.
Not a surprise to me. I just had wised, he learned he’s lesson at Oklahoma. Wishing for suckers. Dude needs to improve EVERYTHING especially his demeanor.
Their identity is called, “SOFT”!!
😂😂😂😂 made me spit my drink
Out
Coming from a Utah fan. Pete Carroll used to practice physical af. Former players used to say practice was harder than the games itself and that’s why they were so ready come game day. Lincoln is too focused on a flash in the pan approach. USC needs to get physical and focus on that especially headed to the B1G. The skill players always will come to SC. If USC focus’ on physicality and practicing that way I think they would get back to being elite. Lincoln Riley is not the coach to do that though.
This loss was due to 3 primary things:
1) Caleb Williams SELFISHLY trying to pad his stats as a PASSER after having a terrible last week at Notre Dame, and therefore NOT running / using his legs against Utah as much as he should have (including failure to convert two 2 pt conversions for 4 points total).
2) Bryson Barnes UNSELFISHLY using his legs to hurt USC all night long (even more so than he did with his passing).
3) Alex Grinch failing time and time again to adjust to Utah / Barnes' strategy of continuing to use his legs to hurt USC (even on that final drive).
How Riley keeps Grinch on as a defensive coordinator when he has completely failed to win against a single good team (namely Utah 3 times now because USC hasn't played Oregon or Washington yet in 2 seasons, although those games are coming up pretty soon), and just barely survives against teams that USC should be defeating comfortably, is beyond me?
I have nothing but respect for USC as a program. And I respect all these guys in the video for telling it like it is. All of us Oklahoma fans aren't saying anything different from what we were saying when he was here. And it is well documented .Just look at the comment section of Lincoln Riley press conference after the Baylor game in 2021. Lincoln Riley's defense was consistently bad .... And then his offense struggled in 2021. We wrote it off as Spencer rattler not being good enough. And then the offense struggled against Baylor and Iowa State plus struggled against Kansas.... We blame that on Caleb being a Tru freshman. The truth is that his defense was bad and then his offense was also bad at times
The best part when Chris goes on his rant @37:40 lol
PACKAGE DEAL: What makes anybody in, "The Media," think that any NFL team would hire Lincoln Riley and pay him more money than USC? Would Caleb Williams owe him a favor of some kind to bring him along? He's got more things to worry about than "The Media" and shieding his players from them!
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As long as Lincoln Riley coaches USC they will keep losing games like Notre Dame and Utah because they are soft on both sides of the ball and defense is a alien concept to Riley.
Lincoln Riley is a average coach that inherited many elite quarterbacks at OU. Which helped him recruit Caleb. He is not a offensive genius. He is a legend in his own mind. His play sheet is a post it note. It says Caleb run around and make shit up.
@arledge it is ridiculous, and you are right that it isn't okay. Keep preaching.
Just imagine if Whittingham had SC players. Undefeated and no close games.
Definitely. He would toughen them up and they would be unbelievable. Even that defense would make a lot more stops.
Love you guys, but this is why we all tune in. I LOVE THIS!!!! 35:11, then Erik staying professional but cracking the smile at 35:54. I don't want Musings with Arlidge, I want straight rants!
The offense needs a spark, they should get the ball into Zachariah Branch’s hands more on offense. They should target him on passing plays at least 10 times a game.
Marc for MLB. Finally our #55.
Does anyone think that Caleb get just upset when watching the Grinch’s defense. One nice thing with the Cal game it’s on the pac12 network so Lincoln, Riley, and grinch can’t embarrass themselves on national TV
Yup he has no faith in the defense.
Exactly what Caleb is thinking....maybe Caleb told Riley Grinch is the weak link. Caleb has the I told you so look on his fave.
8 games deep into the season and we are what we are.
yup. nothing is going to change. nothing can change, bc this is who Riley and Grinch are. They aren't qualified for their jobs and it's showing.
Riley is getting out-recruited in SoCal by the SEC and Oregon
As expected, the panel is seeing what we see...clearly...Now its up to Riley to become a real head coach next year by purging his Oklahoma-based staff, bringing in both a new O Coordinator and D-Coordinator, support staffs, sports performance, and recruiting advisor(s) (like an Ed Orgeron). USC paid for an elite coach and they are entitled to an elite coaching staff to support him. As for this year, he has an opportunity to sit Grinch after UCLA and let his D-Advisor simply things over the 3-4 weeks before whatever the bowl game (Gasparilla? Famous Idaho?)..........Oh, and great column by Chris at WeAreSC...
I love the idea of going after coach O, putting him on staff to recruit and to help with culture. That man had kids ready to run through walls for him
I'll just add, a Special teams coach. Duh!
Riley’s early success at OU should be a credited to he walked in with Bobby Stoops staff and players. When his recruits time came OU declined drastically. Firing Mike Stoops bought him another season. SC is in trouble.
Keep Nua if he will stay he's aces. Not sure about Dante, but I am seeing some improvement there and he's a great recruiter. Don't count on coach O. I doubt he'd even be interested.
This is so painfully obvious to our untrained eyes but it will never happen.
Not a coincidence that USC hasn’t got any sacks the last two games when they’ve played the two most physical and best teams on the schedule to that point.
The season started in SB. Any assessments based on the first 6 games were going to be misleading to the positive. The fact that so many negatives became painfully obvious portended what is now happening, and will continue. I think USC loses out from here.
@Chris…I can’t believe I found you via youtube. Hope you are well. Sorry about USC. I told Jin that USC will be at best 11-2 with LR. I’ve watched him at OU for years and he doesn’t know how to finish. If he can’t keep a team focused in Norman, he definitely won’t in LA. Grinch is all on LR. I was shocked that he brought him to USC.
Riley seems like hes afraid to open the playbook on offense.. He can't seem to get the O-line together for starters.. If Caleb is getting pressure, throw in a fullback or a blocking tight end to help.. His own offense continues to get out schemed,and is being outcoached by every team now, much like Grinch's pathetic schematics on Defense! Just horrific! This team has plenty of playmakers and talent, but Riley seems completely discombobulated on how to call a game.. This isn't all on the players, this mess mostly falls strictly on these incompetent coaches! This is utterly embarrassing now and could get much worse if he doesn't figure out something now!
Omg!!! That clay helton comment had me cracking up 😂
Jeezus… I think Marc should coach!!! He has all the answers and knows what he wants in his team that he owns. Let him watch practice so he can tell the other coaches what they are not doing right. #InMarcWeTrust
He’s not going to get rid of Grinch I’m telling you now.
Hey guys have some perspective!! From a BIG TEN fan in Irvine - USC is doing so much better than they have been in the past decade!
Love your program! 60 years a Trojan fan! Seen really BAD and CHAMPIONSHIP YEARS! This is WORST than Helton years cuz we have a better team but not better coaching! I'm old school! RUN THE DAMN BALL! RUN THE BALL! We should have beat Utah by running the ball! Angel USC'78
Zoom always chooses the worst possible moment for the person whose video freezes.
What is usc doing with air raid? SC is a ground and pound team. Look at the history of great backs SC produced. All the great linemen. Enough of finesse football.
We're no longer considered "Tailback U" as we were in many years in the past. We're now considered "QB-U." We've lost the USC football identity.
I think some people, myself included, began having doubts about Riley when he made the decision to bring Grinch. Ok you'd give it a chance because Riley had shown himself to be a great QB-passing game coach, he wasn't Helton, and the early returns on Riley-Caleb duo were terrific. They weren't a great "team" last season because of personnel deficiencies, and you saw the same BS from Grinch that we saw in Norman, and the defense completely fell apart at the end of last season. Fast forward a year. Your Heisman winning QB is still here, but he and Riley's offense isn't as good, and the awful defense remains despite the influx of better talent. The program has a head coaching issue now, just as it has since Pete left. Same brand of football with more attractive packaging.
I feel your pain, but he does what he does and he'll tell you what he's up to if you listen carefully. He's going to retire early (or leave for a better deal). He doesn't care too much about criticism anymore bc he's locked in his early retirement payday. He knows it will be hard to get rid of him. He can ride out his contract and retire rich. USC raided the OU coaches and players, but spared OU the ugly divorce. BTW, he'll talk sht about you too once he leaves.
He seems to be very happy that he's not recognized in LA, his kids can live a normal life, unlike when he was in Oklahoma. They may be able to live a normal life real soon when he's no longer in LA!
We are who we were afraid we'd be. Having said that, some new blood in the coaching room and a bona fide DC next year can really help turn things around, quick. Fight on! ✌✌✌
He wont fire grinch. He was under pressure to do that at oklahoma. He had the perfect opportunity to leave grinch at oklahoma but he chose to bring him. They are boys...trust us... they are the real package deal
Excellent analysis
If I were you guys, I’d put money his missed presser Monday was meeting with his agent.
CW is gonna end college ball without a PAC-2 conf. Ring and no bowl win. The kid is super talented. That is 💯% mismanagement of his career on Riley’s part. A damn shame.
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Riely was hired as head coach at Oklahoma but they were established and he didn't have to build it. Here he has to build it and he maybe realizing it isn't easy
Everyone says without Caleb, the team would be hurting even more. I believe it’s the opposite. We would be running more which we need to do. Caleb and Riley were out to win the second Heisman. The team came second. They wanted the razzle dazzle of running around the pocket with those great last second throws. It worked last year, but the competions defense knows about that now. He holds on to the ball and gets creamed. Riley and Caleb are buddies instead of Coach/player. After three interceptions, the back up, Moss should have come in. He’s no slouch. I just don’t like it. How many times did the play clock come down to 1 second before the ball was hiked. Times to do that, but not all the time. I just don’t like it. How many Carrie’s did Marshon L (spelling) get in the game. Look how Arizona ran the ball with Scaterbo (spelling). Play after play after play. Run the ball stupid. When the defense is expecting run after run it opens up receivers down field. I thought the Helton years were gone. Coaching. It’s all about Riley and Williams. How’s that working out now?
Actually agree. Playing moss would force Riley to run a more balance offense and he's have to set up his passing game off of the run, which it should have been all along. But Riley would have to run physical practices to get this offensive line to jell and that's not happening now. Riley created this mess with his wrong approach to the game. If he's serious about restoring his image, he needs to start over with his approach to the game and start hitting early and often. I doubt he has it in him to do this.
It's all Chris's fault. Instant replay-every time Chris says "_____has the worse offense/defense in football, they just do" said offense/defense has its best game ever. :) But seriously, we USC fans need to stop acting like other teams are just crap and we should walk all over them, it's not reality. Look at last few weeks Pac 12 games. Last week ASU gave Washington fits is everyone excoriating the huskies?
Caleb isn’t gonna win the Heisman, so stop calling plays to add to his highlight reel. U hired Kiel McDonald (RB Coach) away from Utah, it’s time to use him. The easiest way to show how tough u r, follow a former member of the coaching staff that owns u and run the ball. I’m not saying to run it 80/20, but 60/40. It will help protect the D, giving the chance to rest and recover.
Here’s Webster’s Dictionary definition of Muleshoe; moo-el-shoo, a quiet west Texas town, also used as an adjective to describe person(s) capable of double speaking regarding two of their possible occupational locales while jetting unannounced to a third. Used as a verb, to describe the act of being oblivious to all superiors, the press corps, and blind devotion to one’s mutually oblivious defensive coordinator. Used in the past tense as if to be muleshoed; similar in context to a fully extended punt kick to the groin of a fan base and taking zero responsibility or questions thereof. Used in the first person as in I was muleshoed, see photo of Caleb Williams or see photo of Lincoln Riley muleshoed by photo of Alex Grinch or photos of USC and OU’s athletic directors.
Thank you Greg Katz for finally saying it - the team has a divided locker room on its hands now. I truly believe that the NIL dark side is finally rearing its head. When you have kid millionaires walking around and flashing their expensive clothes, cars and accessories, amongst other players who get paid regular salaries (whatever the stipend is now at SC) those other players do not want to go to war for Caleb or with CLR. It is obvious that many starters do not give 100% effort in the game. This explains the underwhelming performances across the board. It is sad that it's gotten to this point that quickly. But that speaks of the soft nature of the leadership by CLR. Same thing is going on at Texas A&M, by the way. I do hope we can still right the ship somehow and not go the way of A&M, which would be truly pathetic.
I agree, but what about the other blue blood teams out there that perform week to week with heart and grit?
@@underthesun312 All these teams have issues - Alabama (coach who is GOAT, tough, demanding, authoritative) and Ohio State great still but showing cracks, Georgia (NIL + best recruiting ground) with behavior issues by players with all these arrests and driving tickets, Michigan - wheels are about to come off of that one with the cheating scandal (I am so happy Harbaugh will have what's coming to him soon), I could go on and on...
Do you want to be a fashion model or a football player. I think they all should be wearing the same thing when they come into a stadium especially on the road
The real issue with Riley is that he is a QB coach, and probably shouldn't even be an offensive coordinator, let alone a head coach. He has done quite well guiding 3 recent QBs to Heisman trophies, and helped another who had already won the Heisman (Jalen Hurts) to prepare for the NFL. But the way he runs the offense (if he is indeed running it) just drives the whole team ragged. That up-tempo hurry up style of offense, when snapping the ball with 30 secs left on the clock is not a particularly good idea. Even if the offense succeeds and scores, the drive is over within 2 to 3 minutes. That doesn't give the defense adequate time to rest. And when the offense doesn't succeed, that just means the defense has to go out into the field that much faster! By the end of the game, players on both sides are probably having to play way too many snaps, and it's especially harmful for the defense, who tire out quicker. This is just not a good overall formula. Other teams use up-tempo offenses as well, including Oregon, but even they use it more selectively and strategically. I suggest that Lincoln Riley realize that and not wear out our players to the point of exhaustion, so that they are not left totally vulnerable in the 4th quarter.
Guys - here is the absolute best choice to replace Alex Grinch: Jesse Minter - DC at Michigan. He’s a young up and comer whose built an incredible defense in the Big 10 and may quickly evolve into the next “hot” head coaching candidate. He would be a perfect fit for Riley’s staff as they prepare to transition over to the Big 10
Interesting that there's an ad every 5 minutes...is it just me or is it happening to others too?
Good show boys
Very deflating loss.
I think Lincoln dropped the ball on Raleek Brown. Run Marshawn and Austin and the use Raleek and Zachariah for explosive plays.
100 million dollar contract pretty much established the expectations
Puddy looks almost a pissed as I am.
The media can say what it will now but they pumped up this team as well, when in reality your offensive and defensive line is still lacking in physical ability to control the line of scrimmage its lineup 2-te and go every game.
Maybe SC should on the with Jim Leonhard agent and he can pick his position in coachs story program
Like the panel reported this team just didn't gel, no energy. I'm also see receivers like Mario lose confidence.
A lot of dropped passes will do that to a WR.
Is Lincoln Riley SC’s Saul Alynski’s of our time ?
Plus Gentry can’t tackle. He dives at the feet of runners rather than face up. He is on the ground a lot when tackles should be made
I love your show, guys, but commercials every two minutes is ridiculous!!! Almost as much advertising time as content time. I'm close to giving up on the show...sorry.☹
Utes fan. Love watching CW. And wish USC was better (just not against Utah). I think CW got used to doing the Caleb Williams show. Last year, everybody wanted to bring the house on him. Including Utah. And that's where the problems began. And Utah won only because CR7 loves a good shootout.
This year, Utah, was like "nope, we aren't doing the Caleb Williams show. We are dropping 7, controlled pressure, and making him play football like the other 21 guys in the field." And something like that just didn't occur to USC...
But I think CW is a smart guy and he will figure it out...
If a player is serious about becoming a legit NFL caliber player, which coach should they play for, Riley or Whittingham?
2 point conversion entire offensive line tried cutting Utah's defensive line and caleb held the ball and Utah's defensive line was all over hime while our line just laid there
Last week, I was ragging on here about Riley & how Caleb was running like a naked guy in a prison shower... This week, seriously apoligize for adding to your misery. It sounds more like Riley's "illness" is Administrative Leave forced by the Dean & AD
Yo, I’m from Ardmore! Talk about Starbucks getting a perfect spot right there off the highway.
LR should just resign as HC and stck to OC. USC needs a new HC, DC, DB coach, LB coach, special teams coach, my opinion 🤔
They play favorites! 25, 27 are grinch apologists therefore get playing time. Neither should be on the field for significant snaps.
Yes Puddy! It's all rigged. Guys falling down. Missing tackles. Something weird is going on in ALL sports.
Id be shocked if they didn't lose Ja'Kobi Lane, Sam Greene, A'Marion Peterson, Raleek Brown, Korey Foreman, Raesjon Davis, Anthony Lucas to the TP. Barrs and Sullivan are seniors. If they have eligibility. I don't see either coming back. WTH was Darwin Barlow thinking not hitting the TP last season.
Some people say grinch has to be good because he was hired by Ohio state, but they fail to realize that he shared to D coordinator job and only lasted that season
He was bad there also for the most part
Is he just the new Lane Kiffen? Wasn't Kiffen blocking media or getting upset with them by the end of his second year?
Sure looked like Kiffen’s play calling with those bubble screens constituting 80% of the passing calls
33m:20s, Riley losing credibility, Chris Arledge. 38m:15s
Is Lincoln looking to leave to the NFL- if so- what are odds he goes- would Urban be in play
Riley is a QB coach. That's it.
Marc are they going to be 8-4 at the end of the season? What is the record 7-5 or 9-3? Or maybe 6-6? I told you guys!
Didn't clay helton say that Stanford was what everybody wanted to be? Now Riley is saying the same about Utah?
LR is a first time HC. He was protected at Oklahoma with Stoops advice & the entire administration guiding him with national attention not to implode. LR is a good coach but not elite in all phases of coaching. USC will win 8-10 games a year. LR is obligated to Grinch coming to SC & isn’t going anywhere. I said the LA media will turn on Riley quickly. SC has only lost 2 games ugly or not. Losing 6 games in 2 years would be expected but spoiled & expectations were way high on a Offensive HC. Bob Stoops built Riley into something he is not. If Stoops does not hire Riley at OU he would still be a OC at a mid major on the east coast or mid west. Riley knows what he is and saw a retirement fund and USC was a perfect ship. This is why he didn’t take the LSU job. LSU would have been a quicker disaster. Remember this is the same SC administration that gave Helton an extension. Live with the 8-10 wins a year going into the Big 10 then fire him immediately & cash him out and go get Kyle Wilingham with whatever money you can raise….
The recruits are going to start looking somewhere else. Fluid recruitment 😅
Recruits stopped coming to USC a long time ago lol
Lincoln and this staff gotta go hire coach O
Also, last year's team didn't have to play Oregon or Washington, or otherwise it's not very different from this year. They barely beat a bunch of mediocre Pac-12 teams last year that they should have otherwise dominated. And of course, they got beat twice by the only good team they played (Utah). Well, it's happening again this year, and because they will have to play Oregon and Washington, it will be even worse! 😮🙄
@MarcKulkin hold Riley to his comments. Keep asking him the questions he doesn't want to answer.
Alcatraz may be the only place in the Bay Area not overrun with homeless people.
Their excuses are Heltonish
MRS JILL SHOULD ALREADY HAVE FLARES OUT FOR NEW DEFENDIVE COACHING UNIT. WETHER LEONARD OR WHOEVER. IT CAN BE FIXED....
Why is everyone so surprised with Grinch having a true freshman cover a makeshift running back? He has had a true freshman playing linebacker for most of the season when he clearly shouldn’t have been. This is what he does. He is incapable of putting the best players on the field, and when they are on the field he puts them at a disadvantage.
Speed defense baby, and they gas in the 4th quarter because of the yoga guy lol. #facts
Why would Riley go to the NFL, it would be pay cut & lifestyle cut.
Lost to the best coaching staff in the PAC12, Its not like USC lost to Stanford.
Wow this comment is just as soft as usc.
What? Utah was playing without their starting QB, RB, WR, and OL. Facts are coaching staff starting with Riley is sus on decision making.
Lol bruh....it is what it is
What can we say? The mix just isn’t there right now. Everyone sees it and it’s obvious. Lincoln Riley, I am 100% sure, has put all of his effort into making this team into a national championship team. But there were many things in the way. NIL chief among them. Riley needs to start paying college players. I am talking about those recruits who are blue chip offensive and defensive players. Period.
If he starts doing this (and please remember all the other bigtime programs are doing the same thing and have been since 2021) then things will happen in a good way and in short order. He is under tremendous pressure. Lately there are reports that he may be stepping back as head coach. I pray that he hasn’t experienced anything like a heart attack. The pressure that comes along with being a head coach needs to be respected, and I certainly hope that Lincoln Riley, who has two daughters and a wife is going to be ok. Not just that, but able to resume his dream job, being the head coach for USC. I hope everyone who reads this will be able to express some compassion and support for this young man, regardless of how much money he is being paid to do his job.
Bro ur way off...he's leaving alright...on Caleb's coattails if he can find a team that will take em both. Once Riley's ego takes big hits like it's took this season and like it took when he left Oklahoma right before he left Oklahoma he turns tail and runs Mark r words he ain't there for the Long Haul baby
wrong on the coach speak. When JR got raped vs Missouri in 1976, he came out and said things are going to change. And they did. USC would have won another NC had they recognized and adopted that mentality in fall camp. Riley needs to be brutally honest with himself and the media. He sucks. Things need to change.
He can’t coach he was given Bob Stoops team , when those guys were gone he stunk , glad you got him , plus he can’t tell the truth , good luck
Amen Chris,.... as usual. SMH. Caleb Williams is Jekyll & Hyde. Unrefined talent - he doesn't deserve to be #1 in the draft or even the first QB in the draft, but I do like having our 8th Heisman in Heritage Hall. But at this point, the dude is an embarrassment. AS FOR THE "D" wow against a barely functional offense made them look like world beaters. I think name an interim DC and fire Donte immediately. WHO really thinks Riley was to sick to make his podcast appointment. Not a good look to circle the wagons already. He simply wasn't ready for prime time, and he was NEVER the best OC in the country - he doesn't believe in the run game. Makes us wonder why he insisted on closed practices. Not even going to talk about his bloated salary and bennies now - I'd puke my breakfast. Wish we could fire up the Gulfstream and re-deposit CLR back in Norman. Man has ZERO cred left at this point -- so early SMH Totally agree with Chris & Marc
Don't get the Mcafee hate. That show was so dry and boring for the past decade before they put him on. They rarely interacted with the fans. It seems like Herbstreit actually enjoys his job now.
Grinch isn’t the problem…
Lincoln Riley is NOT the right coach for USC. He's a clown 🤡. 2-5 vs Top 25 at SC, 1-5 overall in bowl games, 0-3 in Playoffs, 0-3 vs Utah. At least Helton had a Winning record vs Utah.
All I can say is I was correct, we may beat Cal
Good luck in the B1G
Also if you listen to him, he said he doesn't care about his legacy and wants to retire at a young age. You get a legacy by winning big games. So he's saying he doesn't care about winning. Next point, to be able to retire at an early age, you have to make alot of money. So y'all stuck till someone offers him more money. Then he'll take his circus act over there and prepare for one half of a football game 😂
Hey SC don’t forget to send Utah a happy Father’s Day card next year. Cry on✌🏼
Yo yo yo you guys need to stop bashing LR. Tim Prangley Is going to be really upset .
I am an OU fan I don't come in peace, yall deserve all of this crap, if yall were winning yall would be trashing us, sucks to suck! Its funny year 2 for BV, 7-0.