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- Q was always willing to help the crew to become better beings, but his assistance was always rejected. The crew even behaved hostile towards him, which led to his visits becoming tumultuous. We explore how the Enterprise crew mistreated Q during his visits and explore the consequences of their actions. The Enterprise crew’s poor treatment of Q is a reminder that we should always be open to new opportunities and assistance, even if it comes from an unlikely source.
The archetypal analysis I mentioned has been published on Patreon and ready for you to check out!
A special thanks to @The Captain for his feedback over on Patreon. His insightful observations helped to make this a better video.
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Great essay. The performances of Stewart and DeLancie do a lot of the heavy lifting, it seems
Yes indeed! Two great actors who had a wonderful on-screen chemistry.
Interesting video! I never really viewed Q as a villain. More like an annoyance. And an inverse of the prime directive (for better or worse). I think its time for another tng binge 😊
I like how you referred to Q as "an inverse of the prime directive." Well said!
Thanks for another excellent video! I appreciate how thorough you were by including so many TNG scenes from all the relevant episodes. I also enjoyed the buffering before the ads. That made the ads almost fun to watch, and it made your video seem like an 80s TV show, which is an awesome thing!
When Q was first introduced, the only mental reference the fandom had was TOS, so I think when we first met Q (dressed in costumes and uniforms from Earth's past) as a judge putting the crew on trial, our minds probably subconsciously made a connection to Trelane (who dressed in costumes from Earth's past and put Kirk on "trial"). And when Q reappeared in future episodes, our brains probably made a connection to Harry Mudd (TOS's one recurring villain). As your videos demonstrate, however, Q (despite his Mudd-like humor) should probably be thought of more as a Metron type of character: one who really aids humanity and helps to "up-lift" it as opposed to a malevolent force. I think that probably explains why, from the first season, Q was--subconsciously--assumed to be a villain, while his actions indicate the opposite.
Thanks again for posting such an excellent video. Your superb work is greatly appreciated.
That's an excellent analogy between Q and TOS's Trelane and Mudd. While I explored the Q/Trelane connection in another video, I never thought of the Q/Mudd similarity, another great comparison! All three seem rather foppish too. Thanks for the complements, and for helping to make the final video better than it was.
I'm atheist. But if a demigod appeared to me asking for friendship. To quote Ghostbusters, you say "Yes."
Imagine having a demigod in your pocket. All you need to do is admit weakness. Admit you need help. Snap of a finger and you're either back at your savestate, or flung away from danger.
I don't recall Q going full murder hobo foe the Enterprise.
Q is... Neutral good. Maybe even chaotic good.
Yeah, they missed a golden opportunity by not working with Q. But then again, that would have dramatically shifted the flavor of the series.
TNG's writing drips with potential. Their charectization of Q in TNG and Picard is an aspect of this. Thanks for a great essay.
My pleasure, and thank you for the great comment!
Q is very definitely maligned. I feared Q in Encounter at Farpoint, but he turned out to not be very villainous at all. Through his very obvious love for Picard, you can see how he wants to save Picard and help him grow. Q really is Picard's greatest friend.
Agreed!
Think of Q as mischevious rather than malevanant, the things he did were 'pranks'. Yes even if he did introduce the Borg 'earlier' than letting it naturally occur. His pranks had lessons in them as well.
This was an excellent video! Not just because I'm a TNG fan, and a fan of Q in particular. I consider Q very mischievous, but I've never thought of him as a villain. You made some excellent points in illustrating Q's character traits and how he is misunderstood and mischaracterized by the crew. Well done!
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for the awesome comment!
I love John DeLancie he was great especially in Star Trek
I loved him as Q
Some of the abuse Q gets might be partly deserved but i think most of it is meant to be for comic relief
John De Lancie's great performance is what made Q the character he was. Thanks for posting!
What I find most interesting about Q is that he is the dramatic representation of Gene Roddenberry's personal conflict with religion. Roddenberry was obsessed with meeting God in his chosen dramatic forms of screenwriting and visual production. Over and over in TOS and TNG, we see the crew meet a godlike being, including Trelane and Apollo. In the unproduced TV Trek movie about Titans, Gene again pitched a "crew meets God" scenario. Gene created Q and added him and all the dialogue surrounding Q, which set the tone of the crew treating Q as inferior to themselves for a host of various reasons, to a screenplay already written by DC Fontana. Q is a direct reflection of how Gene saw God. Gene is also playing with the often stated Trek trope that to any culture, any sufficiently advanced culture will appear magical. We see a lot of episodes of TOS and TNG in which a non-space faring culture is awed by the technology of a more advanced culture and never do the less advanced cultures treat the more advanced with anything less than respect or fear. But when the Trek crew encounters more advanced cultures, no matter how advanced, the Trek crew never for an instant believes anything to be magical, but always sees the more advanced culture as bullies and meanies and trying to play the Trek crew for fools. Gene was saying humanity was too evolved by the 1960's to be fooled by magical religions and godlike beings and those things were always trying to bully people into doing stuff they didn't have to do, but clear headed science thinkers of the 20th century were free of that slavery. Others might disagree with Gene, but it is fascinating for Gene to throw open his thoughts to us so openly on this subject as Gene had a lived experience which many of us would find great mental difficulty in dealing with. During World War II, Gene proved himself an American hero as a bomber pilot, but the personal price was very very high as bomber pilots in a war and who fly as many missions as Gene did are responsible for the deaths of many many human beings, something which his country called upon him to do for freedom and the good of the world, but a thing he did which must have haunted him forever as you can see in his writing and TV shows. Gene knew what war was, Gene knew what death was, Gene struggled his entire life to know if there was a higher power or if he was being fooled the whole time. Q, in a nutshell, is Gene's struggle personified. Kirk Forever!!!
@ manlystranger, that is an absolutely brilliant comment full of a great deal of insight. The "crew meets false god and exposes him" trope pervades TOS for sure, but I think Q might be one of the few examples of that in TNG (other examples that might meet the classification are first season episodes like "Justice" where Roddenberry's direct influence was stronger). I think Harlan Ellison once commented (something to the effect of) that Roddenberry only really had one s.f. idea and that was that humanity encountered god and discovered that he was an infant.
Although I think Roddenberry was an atheist before and during WWII, so I am not sure if he later (after the war) wondered if he had been fooled or not, but maybe the peaceful, evolved future of humanity that he envisioned was a way for him to make sense and cope with his war experiences. I think you are right, though, that Roddenberry's psychology and worldview are interesting elements to add to any discussion of Q.
You bring up several great points, and I was actually moved thinking of how Roddenberry's wartime contributions haunted him. We've all done things we regret, but that would be on a whole other level that thankfully none of us have to live with. How much of Gene's original vision of Q as a personal reflection of God do you think survived across TNG? Do you think a lot of what Gene put into Q was lost as successive Q episodes were created without his input?
You've definitely given me something new to ponder when it comes to Q. Thanks for posting!
I agree that Q was one of the few godlike beings in TNG, but I'm not sure that he fits into the "false god" category. We definitely wouldn't think of him as a "god" in a religious sense, but at the same time, he's not exactly "false" either, as his abilities are decidedly real. While he does claim to be God in "Tapestry," he's doing that to razz Picard. The entity for "Justice" is a great example though, as it actually has a planet thinking of it as a god.
I remember that Ellison quote, he was quite a contrary guy! He never forgave Roddenberry, or the other ST staff writers, for changing his story.
I really like your thoughts on why Roddenberry created an enlightened, peaceful future for humanity. I can see it as a way for him to deal with his wartime experiences.
@Meta Trek, you are right. Q should not really be thought of as a “false god.” Just as a god-like being, but one who did not desire worship as you video shows. Speaking of Ellison, I have to say his original teleplay had a lot more in common with recent Trek as opposed to TOS: drug use/dealing among the crew and officers suffering from depression. Maybe Ellison was just ahead of his time. :)
@@MetaTrek It appears to me Gene was heavily involved with Q and the writing surrounding Q through at least the first three Q episodes and maybe the fourth. From that point forward, the characterization and crew response to Q in all Trek series is basically as first written by Gene. The crew response is always to disbelieve Q and mischaracterize his past behavior, as you pointed out in the video. In a response to another on this thread, you correctly point out Q is not a false god as he possesses all of the powers we would normally associate with a god, like omnipotence, omniscience, knowledge of the past and future, apparently unlimited control of matter and space, etc. Yet when Gene's crew encounters Q, even though they do acknowledge he has all these powers, they view him as just another alien lifeform, and even judge themselves morally superior to Q. To most people, if it walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck. But Gene is clearly telling us there is no god, there are no gods, if you see anything which you think might be a god even it if has the powers of a god, it is an alien lifeform, much like us but most likely morally inferior. This is basically a rehash of the TOS Apollo episode with the one difference being Q did not claim to be a god. Apollo did. So the question becomes, was Apollo a god? Gene tells us Apollo is not a god, but he was worshipped as a god and he did have the powers of a god. How much closer to a god can one be than both Apollo and Q? A response to this thread by another viewer stated Roddenberry was an atheist, which I believe is an accurate description. I believe this is significant because Roddenberry was not an agnostic, which is someone stating they do not know if there is a god or not, possibly someone who has not engaged in a personal journey with religion and therefore has no opinion. An atheist is someone who has struggled with religion, someone who has studied and read about god, but has decided no such entity exists. Many warriors who experience battle state there are no atheists in foxholes, which is a way of saying when you live in deadly fear for your life every moment of every day, you cannot make it out alive without hope in a higher being to protect you. I cannot say if this is true as I have never been in battle, but I do believe Gene struggled greatly and perhaps daily with accepting or denying a higher power. During the time of Trek, both TOS and TNG, Gene lived a life of pleasure in the moment, which I believe was a direct response to his war years and later life-threatening situations. Gene, as a commercial airline pilot, once crash landed in the desert and was close to death both for himself and his passengers. I have no idea what Gene was like prior to his war service as there is not much out there other than he used to play pretend ship in a cardboard box as a kid, and I don't know how he felt about religion or god, but after the war, Gene developed a moral code for himself of which many of us might be dubious about the morality as it allowed him to engage in behaviors we might see as immoral, but from this he extrapolated a future which we know as the bright tomorrow of Trek. But even with his bright vision of the future, Gene struggled in the here and now and died an early death because he indulged in chemical pleasures of the moment which destroyed his physical being. In those last few years, Gene gave us Q, which was his doubling down that god like powers do not make gods. Gene might also have been talking about humans in general and himself is particular. As a bomber pilot, Gene controlled great powers which were used to decide life and death, a decision we typically see left to a god. Great powers don't make one great. So much packed into everything Gene wrote, sorry to ramble on so long, but I love thinking about this stuff. Keep up the great work! I enjoy the channel!! Kirk Forever!!!
Picard went to the Darren Stevens School of how to deal with powerful beings.
For all we know all of Stat Trek could just be a huge dream-halucination of Pike. We all just have been watching thr very long episode of the Cage.
Wouldn't that be something! With beings like the Talosians, how could Pike really know that he ever got away?
@@MetaTrek I was thinking that even the holodecks could just be a hint, and the godly beings that keep poping up. Perhaps Kirk is how Pike sees himself. The Pike in the chair in menagerie is just him being locked away and helpless to do anything about living in a vivid hallucination. I need to put more thought into this
Those are all excellent thoughts/connections. Perhaps Pike got a little uppity just prior to the events in "The Menagerie" and the Talosians devised "the accident" to put him back in his place. Once they felt he had been properly punished/conditioned, they did away with the chair, and used Spock and Kirk as the means to do so. This could be quite a subversive tale to tell!
I could never understand why Picard or the command crew, were such an assholes to Q. And why they never even attempted to walk their talk with him. Ie first contact protocols, even after an unusual way that Q choose to engage with Picard and company.
I'm actually delving into the the reasons why Picard and his command crew acted the way they did towards Q. I'll be publishing that video on Patreon sometime next month. I make a community post here on youtube for anyone whose interested in checking it out.
They were mean to Q, weren't they? I think Picard cared about Q, and even loved him in the end, but Picard was the paragon of virtue, stoicism, and righteousness, so he could never let Q in. Give Q a break? Um, no! Even if Q made Picard's life a little better, Picard saw him as an enemy. The crew never saw the sides of Q that Picard saw in private, so of course, they all hated him.
Picards "confrontational" attitude towards Q shows quite a good diplomatic instinct.
They understand that Q doesn't want any one to worship him as a god he is amused by every one standing up to him. Q has been trying to save and advance humanity especially he likes to save Picard.
All very good points. Thanks for posting, and for subscribing!
the only example of a puerile joke Q pulls on a crew member I can think of is when he turned Beverly Crusher into a barking dog. it was pretty funny
Oh yes, that was a good one! Ironically, Q does that two episodes _after_ Picard makes the puerile joke comment!
I believe Q's actual purpose was to be a catalyst for humans ( or at least the enterprise crew) to adapt and move beyond to new heights as opposed to the autopilot Starfleet probably expected. The Q definitely don't see other races as very much, but I do think he did start to like these humans anyway.
Picard has reason to be wary of a Godlike entity offering anything, (he's well read afterall) he doesn't want to become reliant on something he can't really control. Especially one that upon first meeting made a sweeping judgement about humanity being evil and shouldn't have been allowed beyond the solar system. Something that would definitely offend the explorer
That's a great insight into Q's role. I agree that he's pushing the Enterprise crew to reach their full potential, even if his methods can be, well, a bit unorthodox. It’s interesting to see how his relationship with Picard evolves over time. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I agree about the crew's treatment of Q. He was mischievous, but never villainous.
Two things from a new subscriber,
1) this is a really novel video. Q really doesn't deserve all of the animosity. Janeway really got that. Excellent points across the board!
2) where did you find those bumpers? "After these messages", etc. these are awesome little nuggets!
Welcome aboard! I'm glad that you enjoyed the content. I made the bumpers in the video, so asking where I found them is quite a complement! I don't know that they ever made any official as bumpers for TNG. I mainly remember them from Saturday morning cartoons.
@MetaTrek had me fooled. I thought they were made by your local channel. "KVRR Thief River Falls, Grand Forks brings you Star Trek. After these important messages" etc..etc..
@@MetaTrekDo you live in the Grand Forks/Thief River Falls area? I lived in Sioux Falls, SD for 4 years while attending college there, although Minneapolis is the furthest north I've ever been.
No, mrgreatbigmoose was just using that as an example. Maybe that's where they live . . .
@@MetaTrek I forgot to mention that I loved the bumpers, too. I knew they were homemade, but they were well done. Imagine if they had ran TNG on Saturday mornings - that's what it would've looked like. Nicely done!
@mrgreatbigmoose Super love your @. A moose so big they called him Mister!
I don't see Q as a villain. Not always following our same morality, but true to his own and never actually evil.
His most interesting act was to send the Enterprise to meet the Borg. He obviously knew they wouldn't let him be part of the crew and I think that encounter went the way he intended. The intention being to meet the Borg and show them they were not prepared.
So, did he introduce the Borg to Starfleet or was that whole thing him giving humanity and early warning? We learn in Enterprise that the Borg survivors of First Contact did did a message to the Dental Quadrant inviting themselves to Earth. And the fact that humanity was a bit more prepared let them ward off the Borg and eventually destroy them. Was he just pushing events into an outcome where we would be the ones to defeat them and stop the ultimate assimilation of the galaxy?
In which case, the death of 17 people served to help save the galaxy. So it's just an extreme trolly dilemma to Q which he made a call on. They can time travel, so why can't they adjust history their will? Does that make them evil if it's not for powers sake or the beings that haven't taken it upon themselves to guard and guide the universe? In which case, what difference is that to "God's Plan"?
You raise some very interesting questions. It's hard to say exactly what motivated Q to do the things he did, but the eventual outcome can easily be determined. As you've pointed out, Q's actions did lead to a great good. Thank you for posting this thoughtful comment!
Theres a missing episode of Star Trek heavily involving Q and Wolf 359 no one ever discusses. Look up "Star Trek Borg". It was a "game"/episode with Q. Pretty awesome and it showed a unique behavior of the borg we never really saw before in the series.
Would be great to see some analysis of that.
I've seen the clips from it, and if I ever take an in depth look at the Borg, I will definitely include it. Thanks for the reminder, and for posting.
Different writers wrote what they thought Q was. Threat of the week, trickster, secret helper.
Exploring the old Beta cannon I Q by Peter David gives one ideas of where they could have gone with the story.
Considering the Q didn't seem so Omnipotent in The Q and The Grey over in Voyager.
One might suspect the Q were concerned about the Borg.
Now if one thought further to one possible origin story of the Borg says the Trilogy Destiny, one could see why. Humans are directly responsible for the creation of the Borg.
What if q wasn't Q's only son.
What if he had another Son named Trelane.
What if Trelane got ahold of a supremely powerful object.
Allowing him to warp reality at large, crossing universes like crossing the street.
Only thier object reacts to dark emotions.
Like those of a nigh omnipotent adolescent?
Also there is the whole Admiral Q bit.
Picard is a career officer and senior captain of the fleet.
That ruffled a few feathers.
Threatening his crew and his species didn't endear Q to Picard.
Picard has a fatherly attitude towards his crew.
You certainly have given us a lot to consider! I especially like the Trelane concept. Is that your own original idea? Sounds like the makings for a great fan-fiction story! Thanks for posting.
They treated John DeLancie's other Q-like character Discord the same way in My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. In that series he's pretty much the same character-chaotic trickster who comes to learn how to appreciate others and be a more compassionate being. At least with the ponies most of them come to feel less antipathy toward Discord and learn to see him as a friend. Sadly, many people in the fandom make the same mistake TNG's writers do. They focus on the 'bad' things he's done without ever looking at all the good. Q and Discord might not understand human nature but they both do their best to help in well-intentioned albeit misguided ways.
Well said. I wonder if they didn't hire DeLancie to voice Discord on account of him having played Q in the past.
@@MetaTrek The writers have said in the past that they absolutely hired him because he played Q. Discord is pretty much Q if Q was in a kid's cartoon. They were all Trek nerds and when the idea was floated around the writer's table everyone jumped on board immediately. DeLancie was perplexed at first but eventually, once he understood how similar Bronies were to Trekkies he even went so far as to film a documentary about them. Part of why he did it was because he felt people were misunderstanding & hating them unfairly.
Interesting, I'll have to check that documentary out. Are you a Bronie, Trekkie, or both?
just to add. you bring up good points. Very complex indeed.
You're very good at living up to your channel's name. ❤
I just love exploring the depths of _Star_ _Trek,_ so much to cover, and so little time!
I see Q not as villain but more as a flawed hero or antihero. Q is a mischievous pain in the behind. And there are definitely things that indicate that he shouldn't be trusted. For instance, in the episode where he became human, Picard got him to confess that his true reason for wanting to be sent to the Enterprise was for protection against all the enemies he created by tormenting other creatures. So, that is not only a case of him being dishonest about his true intentions but evidence that he has a long history of tormenting other beings for his amusement. And in the same episode, his fellow Q said that was the reason Q was kicked out of the Q continuum in the first place. He couldn't go to a single solar system without hearing about the trouble Q had caused.
And on Deep Space 9 we hear a similar story. Picard's girlfriend said that being with Q was dangerous given how many enemies he made. He was referred as the god of lies. Q suggested they meant that with affection, but I don't think that was the case. Vash felt that associating with him was dangerous. And we also found out that Q wasn't being completely honest about why he gave Riker the powers of the Q. It wasn't because the Q admired humans as he suggested. It was because they feared us. They were worried that humans would one day become as advanced as they were. And he was trying to tempt Riker as Picard said. So, I'm with Picard on that part. He definitely wasn't to be trusted. And as for being more diplomatic with him. That might have helped. But a being who was willing to put the entire crew of the ship in danger because someone got lippy with him is beyond dangerous. Picard had every right to question Q's morality under those circumstances.
But in spite of all of that, I said that I didn't see Q as a villain? Why? Q also did a lot of good. Much of which he wasn't given nearly enough credit for. Q introduced the Enterprise crew to the Borg and cost them the lives of 18 crew members. Picard said that the lesson could be learned without the loss of those crew members. I disagree. It was the only way Picard would take the threat seriously. And we find out later that billions of lives hung in the balance. Guinan said that Q caused the Borg to become aware of humanity's existence and set events into motion more quickly as a result. But she was wrong as well. The Borg were already on their way. In a previous episode, we find out that colonies along the Romulan neutral zone were destroyed. In Best of Both Worlds, we find out that the Borg were responsible. And Commander Shelby, the Federation's expert on the Borg, prevented the Enterprise from being assimilated at a key moment by instructing Data to randomly fluctuate their shield frequencies to break free of the Borg tracker beam. Where did she get her expertise? From data collected from their first encounter with the Borg. Including the damage done to the hull of the ship when those 18 people were killed. Their sacrifice was not in vain.
But Q didn't just save humanity from the Borg. He saved them from his fellow Q as well. In All Good Things, the Q decided to put an end to the human race to make room for a more deserving species. And Q was ordered to do the deed. Except that he did so with a small twist of his own. He gave Captain Picard one last opportunity to save humanity. And he even gave him a few helpful hints along the way. Although, it's also worth mentioning that Earth isn't only planet Q saved from destruction. On the episode where he became human, he not only tried to sacrifice his own life to save the Enterprise and it's crew, but he then saved Bre'el IV by putting it's moon back in it's proper orbit.
The conflict is necessary due to dramatic reason. Where they good friends, where would the drama be?
Thankfully someone sees the truth of what is going on.
I'm just glad to know that others out there have seen the same things that I have.
@@MetaTrek I feel like Lex Luther from Smallville has been done wrong as well as Q, lol.
Sounds like an interesting idea for a video.
Q is like Pan
Yes but Piccard Never did deck "Q" like Commander Sisco Did🤣🤣
But the fact that Sisco did deck Q is fascinating in itself, and does so much more than simply distinguish him from Picard.
You should be Q’s lawyer. Excellent work! #Subscribed
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I don't see "Q" as a villain but more like Loki. A trickster and IMO Pain in the A**😅
Q is most definitely a trickster, and more. I explore what I believe is his deepest archetypal significance over on my Patreon channel, where I have a full length video that concludes my examination of Q. Thanks for posting!
Q never even took a class at the Academy 🤷🏼♂️ How could he even be considered to join the crew? 🤓😎🖖🏻
Good point about Q not having attended the Academy, but that may not be a requirement to join a starship crew. I think the Academy is for officers. Nurses, security, and transporter chiefs may not need to go to the Academy to get posted to a starship. I doubt that Guinan attended the Academy either. So I guess Q could have joined the crew as a type of "guide to the galaxy" had Picard allowed him to.
While Nelix graduated top of the class 😂
In the 2nd to last scene of Voyager's “Deathwish”, Janeway & Chakotay are discussing what department to assign Quinn to, & they observe that they could shut down whatever department they assign him to with all the knowledge that he would bring to the job.
Also, I believe that graduates of equivalent institutions (like Michael Burnam from the Vulcan Science Academy) have been commissioned as officers, as Star Fleet considers such institutions to be acceptable substitutes for Academy training.
Thanks for pointing all of that out. By the way it sounds, Star Fleet must have a pretty liberal enrollment policy.
Q is a force of nature, an fury... The things he does to the crew of the Enterprise AND Voyager, and would have done so to Sisko if he wasn't half Wormhole Alien... Q should appear in SNW, though... But Q has those lines though, he doesn't need powers to flame them... Ask Neelix the Bar Rodent... (Even a Father/Son diss, and now I'm cry laughing)
Interesting
I'd love to be a Q.
by introduce federation to borg cause the federation improve weapons and ship so that it could face the domonion
That's a great point. Q knew when it was time to stir things up.
More than that. I traced some of the key events in different episodes, and that encounter prevented Earth from being assimilated in Best of Both Worlds. We learned that the Borg had been assimilating colonies along the neutral zone prior to this. So, they were already on their way. And Command Shelby got her expertise on the Borg from data collected from that encounter as well. She later used that expertise to prevent the Enterprise to break free from a Borg tracker beam and to help Riker to rescue Picard from the Borg vessel. Which allowed Data to shut down their vessel and to cause it to self-destruct.
You get a Like and Comment for your efforts, for if this isn't a bad faith argument its a bizarre one: why couldn't Picard be more like Patty Hearst? What?!
Also: "I'm not sure what Picard is referring to. When has Q ever acted devious? Perhaps by acts of omission but..." If you'll forgive a reference to a non-Q episode: "Lie of omission is still a lie" - Picard to Wesley, The First Duty. You pull a similar trick saying that Picard is wrong to call Q immoral because he's not by your arbitrary definition rather than Picard's own definition, which is not arbitrary but clear and honest by his own reasonable standards.
Your final thesis is that the characters in the fictional show misrepresent Q in order to fool the audience? They.... don't know they're being watched by you, you know? I admire the obvious time and effort spent here but this feels less like a genuine take and more like an attempt to be contrary. I hope I'm wrong.
Thanks for the like and for taking the time to comment. I would like to clarify one point; I wasn’t suggesting that the characters were misrepresenting Q, I was suggesting that the writers were.
The way they treat Q always irritated me. It's supposed to provide some sort of comic relief I guess, but other than the excellent performance by John de Lancie the others aren't funny.
I would love to see Captain Kirk's reaction to Q. I imagine he would have found Q to be a breath of fresh air compared to the childish Trelane
Irritating is a good word for how the otherwise enlightened crew behaved towards Q. I believe it was de Lancie's great performance, and his likeableness on set, that had them keep bringing Q back. Kirk vs Q would be awesome! There are a series of audio performances featuring Q and Spock.
Q wrote this video
That's quite the complement. Makes me wonder how Q would respond to this video.
@@MetaTrek I'm sure he'd love seeing people who get him
You should have used some footage from Star Trek Picard season 2 to make a stronger point....
Thanks for the suggestion, but this was really an exploration of TNG specifically.