How much power can a stock Abarth engine handle?! + My 300+bhp unleashed on the road!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Hi guys,
In this video I tackle the very current issue that is 'stock engine power limits'
I discuss why you need to forge, what causes the engines to fail and I also show you guys how my 300+bhp sounds under full load!
Nicely said Grant. I’ve shared this on my channel.
Hey dude. Wow thank you!
Love the video. Informative to inexperienced and experienced people in the Abarth community
I'm hoping this is a video that can be regularly used for reference when people ask about stock block limits
Good video mate always give out good facts and info cars looks and sound spot on keep up the good work
Thanks bro means a lot.
Great video again Grant, going from strength to strength with every video 👍 must admit I've never understood going for the highest Dyno number, power on/under the curve has always interested me more as it's useable day to day as well as saving/prolonging the engine. Your Abarth is testament to what a good tune and parts that compliment each other can produce in terms of a useable yet fast every day car and long may it continue. Sounds beastly by the way 👌
Thanks bud. I feel I have to preach what I practice and vice versa. It boils down to the difference between a powerful car and a fast car... They are not always the same thing. Sounds like you have sussed it!
@@Gdl1992 Oh absolutely, I mean you've certainly got enough tuning experience having seen the good and unfortunately the bad side of engine tuning! I find myself coming more and more to the conclusion that these videos will be good reference when it comes to tuning my own car once it has arrived. Whilst it's not gonna be an Abarth so parts will be different in my eyes the principle is what matters no matter how different the tuning ends up being. Would very much rather have 300bhp for 5k rpms than have 600bhp for 500rpms that's for sure 👍. Looking forward to the next video already
Great video and a very honest overview
Thank you
This clips is from 2019 and it's now 2024. I'm from Australia where it's brutally hot for most of the year. My 595 is making 300hp and 420nm of torque. It's my daily drive and I drive it mercilessly. I have all the supporting mods, but can not recommend strongly enough the injection of water/meth injection to cool the charge. However, the best friend of any Abarth engine be it 200hp or 300hp plus is a great tuner who understands how these engines work. A poorly skilled tuner will destroy a cars engine an hour after it drives off the dyno.
I agree i tried to get power and the only way in the end is forge the engine agree 100%.
Informative and on a personal note,my engine blew,spark plug broke bits fell into engine crank put a hole through bottom of engine.Couldn't identify why it happened but I was doing motorway speeds and above for a few miles beforehand.
Great video with plenty information, has given me plenty to think about going forward with mine. Cheers mate
If I can help a few people along the way that's all that matters. Thanks for the support
Would you say that 240hp and 240lbft would be a reasonable goal for a street car. As its my only car I'm not wanting to over stress it and potentially kill the motor
I covered stock block limits in the video. That will be absolutely fine. But you will most probably want more torque
Thanks for the insight. Currently on an ihi turbo, with intake, back box delete, forge actuator and a map. Was dyno'd @ 180bhp and 332nm before I fitted intake and actuator so need to go back and see how it's doing
@@bomfunk77 yea having new actuator will allow. You hold boost a bit better and squeeze a little extra possibly
Wise words. Interesting video, thanks.
Great video 💯💯💯🙏. Your car sounds 🔝🔝🔝💯💯💯🙏👌
Great stuff. I am in the states and I love my car! I have a 500t a.k.a. (abarth engine with sport body) I have a blue spark and the tork motorsports multiair springs. I love it! I want 200bhp. That is what I think is safe. I live in AZ so it gets really hot here. So running high hp would not be ideal. I totally get your point and I am so glad we have someone like you that can tell it straight. We here get the garret turbo stock where I think you guys get the IHI stock. I think I'm around 180-190 hp right now. But I am l planning on getting a front mount and a down pipe and u think that will be all. I will be buying a new car next year. Then this one will be getting a forged engine.
Thanks bro. Yea I presume the 500t is multiair engine same. As the US as the t unfortunately isn't sold in the UK. Sounds like the right sort of figures. Allowing a better flow of air in and out of the engine is certainly the way to go. To maximise gains but also to prevent as much drop off as engine gets hotter
Yes. ALL 1.4 litre engines in the US are multi air. I also recommend the spring upgrade. Its added a very noticeable gain to mid and top end pull. Hell they're only 90bux! I know for 2019 and up Fiat released a 1.3 multiair II that comes with 170bhp stock. It's for now only available in the 500x. Which is a 4door crossovers type car.
@@nabismith8023what spring upgrade specifically?
@@NostalgiaHDOS
Multi air springs.
@@nabismith8023 thank you
Thank you for making this video.
Love that ending to help prove your point, well done ! 👍
Thank you much appreciated
as always informative and easy to digest...without being impolite what would the cost without the mistakes of chasing power to make a strong forged engine , power circa 250 as you mentioned and advice on the clutch and drive shafts..pleae
Hi, thank you.
At 250 bhp the engine is safe to run unforged. However if you felt you were going to subject it to an acceptional amount of abuse then bring the torque down slightly. A friend of mine has just recently don't the tts260 turbo on his Abarth and made 255 bhp and 260 ft lbs. It drives like a dream and is so linear and very fast without any fuss. It is also super safe on the stock engine.
Forging an engine properly including labour is going to be around 5k to be honest as there is so many little things that need addressing.
And on the clutch front for 250 bhp I would highly recommend a cg motorsports dual friction clutch. It's capable of holding the power/torque and a lot more should you want to go a bit crazy. But gives you a fairly good pedal feel and could be used every day. It's not expensive either and can be used with a stock flywheel.
Very knowledgeable guy
Thank you
Subscribed, looking to push the 1.4 multiair engine abarth
Thank you. Fortunately multiair and t jet bottom ends are the same so the same limits apply
I have the stock FIAT 500 pop. (This is like the anti-Abarth with its 101hp. 🤭) However, I greatly enjoy doing my own maintenance like chasing down the faults triggering the check engine light and with simple work such as replacing wheel bearings, breaks, struts, ext. I Have an intrest in upgrading to an abarth but have no intention of racing as I simply enjoy the ride and how well it handles in harse weather here in the states.
❤ed the video as it is highly informative…
Soooo, what you’re saying is: we need to redesign the piston rings? hmm…🤔
My car runs at 210 and I think it’s great pay attention to wheels ( weight ) tyres ( pressure) brakes (pads) fuel (octane) balance the car
Same here, low down intake, Garett 1446, oem Exhaust and catback emptys.
Pretty sure I need a better coolant system.
this damage could be (and probably is) pre-ignition or detonation.
May i ask what are those dials stuck on the left side of the dashboard. Seen then on another video and got me curious. Great video btw
Thank you.
That dial is my oil temperature gauge. Its a recent addition.
I plan on buying an abarth but not for its power but rather its charm and character. Especially the sound! the stock power is plenty for dd but i would't mind a 200hp stock internal abarth.
Hi Grant, is there a build sheet available for your car? What parts/tune did you use to get to 260bhp? Thanks.
I will happily do a video on my. Current setup and previous setups.
way late comment here...BUT YOU make a GREAT POINT!!! IF you REALLY want to CRANK IT UP ⬆️ and NOT wreck it...then build it RIGHT. Also...prepping 4 the fire...’sometimes’ you can OVERPOWER a chassis and completely ruin the drive ability of a street car. If every time you punch it the car looses traction or can only be driven on perfect roads in perfect weather...Then what’s the point??? and to be honest...IF you are an outright SPEED FREAK...Then a Turbo ‘Busa is the only fix that’ll scratch that itch...🔥👋👍 (I live in N.Italy 🇮🇹 where 80-90kmh in a 50kmh zone is normal btw AND the mt twisties are fantastic)
A couple of questions I have is, 1- I thought you could only put 215 bhp on front wheel drive cars? 2 - back in the early days, and I do this with my Integrale, is let engine idle for 2 minutes after a run. This was originally used to preserve the turbo. Would this not help in the long term for “melted pistons”?
Kick ass, sea-bass.😂
Crazy hearing about 250 whp, I can't even get traction until 3rd gear stock with new conti stickys lol
Hope you’re okay? Isn’t there piston ring expansion due to cylinder pressure first? The pressure is the cause of the heat.
Running methanol is a fantastic thing in these engines. Looser engine rings as well.
Hey love the video! Thank you for all the info, I won a Abarth turismo, much could be a safe power for a car that is used in the daily basis? Thank you in advance.
What's a good engine swap for more power then?
I just ordered a TD04 lol I'll try to keep the boost low i guess
Question i have a fiat bravo T-JET with 200000Km , i bought a stage 3 TDO4L turbo to upgrade the original one also installed a cold air intake and an upgraded intercooler also a set of cams from an abarth , when i take it to be tuned will the engine handle 260hp or will it fail due to the high mileage?
Hello, great video! I know the European version of the abarth uses the Tjet engine (if I'm not mistaken) but what route would reccomend to your American owners? Thanks, and keep up the great vids!
Hi, thanks. Despite the very different head setups the t jet and the multiair have the same bottom end. So the limits fortunately apply just the same.
I remember my abarth direnza back box Mk7 st induction kit light work really. And I tell you what it would kill bigger cars. Easily that was without even mapping.
Well said, till this day. I’m sure this was a reality check to many in the community chasing highest numbers.
For us Yanks, please explain what is meant by “forge engine”. Thank you!
what parts do the asseto corsa ones have to make there power over the stock abarth ?
Interesting Video You sound very sensibile mate still dont agree with what my mates have been doing could u recommend someone who could recon an MTA box not too far away cheers?😊
Facks I’m at 217hp 251 tork but I’m tuned for e85 but it’s set up for racing and weight is around 2100ish to 2200ish pounds haven’t weighed it yet but took out 400lbs so power to weight is crazy
2nd viewer!! 👍
Great video but are the engines the tjet or the multiair or is it all the because i have an alfa romeo mito qv and i would like to know if they cab take the power aswell
Same limits apply. To both the t jet and multiair! Happy modding
Hi Grant I have recently bought a 20 plate Abarth 595 competizione 1.4 Tjet last October 2022 and was looking to have a stage 1 remap done however after watching your video I'm know unsure if I should do this or just forge the engine straight off as you've mentioned
Any advice you could give please
If you have the money to build your Abarths 1.4, I would say go for it and do everything right the first time. However I wouldnt even bother trying to reach 300 because the Abarth 500 is a light and small car designed to handle corners, not go in a straight line like an NHRA Top Fuel dragster..
To be honest. This whole process has showed me what is capable when the correct hardware, installed by a professional meets a good tune. The capability of the engine is amazing unforged. The aren't the best handling cars or the best straight liners. What they are is great all rounders that put a smile on your face and taking it too far makes the car a bit too serious and eats Into that a little. And yes you are right, the Abarth being as light as it is means any power you do put into it gives you an advantage.
@@Gdl1992Yes these cars do have a good balance between straight line and cornering. If you know how to put everything on and are experienced, I would say go for it. If not then yes having a professional put things on for you is best. Tuning can determine your detonation as well. So you better know someone who knows what they're doing. 300 can be achieved but again.. Will it be safe to run and for how long. Will your tune be on point or will you end up with splitting your block, running into shattered pistons and bent rods. Its why Im only going up to 225 to 250 with my Abarth and sadly we only have the 500 Abarth or 124 Abarth in the USA. Not to mention this is my first 500 Abarth and after test driving one only once, Ive always wanted one to daily and road course
@@Numbah893 fortunately the blocks are strong unless you go for massively oversized pistons. So block cracking is highly unlikely.
225 to 250 is the cars sweet spot imo. It can handle it and still be used every day.
Who does the mapping on your car? And which ECU is it using, ME 7.9 or ME 17.3.0 ?
2015 abarth 500 USA model,Stock pistons and stock engine, dp,BOV,cold air intake,td04HL turbo upgrade,stage 2 ecu upgrade. Can we get 300 hp ?
Hi i have Bravo 1.4 tjet 88kw and i instal biger intercooler,blow off,turbo from 110kw Bravo and complete 60mm exhaust pipes whit 63 mm rear muffler and on a dyno make max 134kw and 245nm torque.Is this a lot for this mods or can i go higher what do you thing?
Keep seeing 400CV ones in Italy on insta
what Garret turbo is this at the dyno graphs? My fiat has a 1.4 multiair with a Garret turbo on it from stock. idk what kind of turbo is it I just know that the A/R is .38. looking it up, seems like a TB03
The stock multiair with use a gt1446 and the one shown on the video is a hybrid 1446
@@Gdl1992 ah, I see. thank you. custom built?
It was from a company in Italy called evolution turbo
@@Gdl1992 hmmm, seems like Italy is one of the main country's to get the parts for the multiair. do you by any chance know the peak nm of torque of the gt1146 with tuning? going to remap the fiat and we're thinking of going towards torque instead of hp. a friend of mine got 250 max but that's weird since mine from stock has 230
Well they are an Italian car. Multiair tuning in Greece are far above anyone else for tuning the multiair at the moment.
We work in lbs ft in the UK. A stock garret and a hybrid garret with not differ too much with torque so expect to see between 275 and 295 ft lbs depending on Individual turbo specification, setup and amount of boost used.
What exhaust is that?
You still using the a for a garage?
Yea currently
Yeah I saw it in there yesterday, they just mapped my car to 210, much fun to be had
Did they take it to tune 4 performance?
There's an abarth out there with a Claimed 500bhp
What is your opinion on a camshaft
For which engine and setup?
Grant in the Garage for the multiair with a upgraded turbo on the 124
@@kaiwenli3432 here in Italy we are starting to swap the tjet head on a multiair block. The only problem is the electronics but the gains are just bonkers on a 124
Would a meth injection help with temperature?
A t jet model also that's 583bhp lol
Hi. thanks for your video that was very informative. I am racing my Abarth in the US touring car championship series in Southern California and it’s a power to weight ratio Touring class. The car weighs about 2400 pounds with driver fully caged. So we’re supposed to be around 225-230 hp to be competitive. I would love to talk to you sometime thanks again for your video. www.dinohamiltonracing.com
Of course hit me up on Facebook or soemthing happy to chat!
Excellent information. We were able to make 258hp/289ft.lb tq on 23psi through the GT1446. We have deemed my car at its limit, respectfully. We don’t plan to do internals or continuing modifying it, but we feel great about it. We ran a 13.82 @ 99.66mph back when it was 21psi through the GT1446 and street tires. On Drag Times, we are the quickest and fastest stock turbo Abarth. No forged internals, no slicks. There is a huge room for improvements, but that record is where we leave it. We won’t continue the chase. We would love for someone to try and top our 13.82 @ 99.66. Please check out our run time @: dragtimes.com/Fiat--500-Drag-Racing.html
Those figures are spot on the safe limits. I presume that your 1446 is a hybrid to achieve that power figure?
1320 Technologies what turbo did you guys use?
Grant in the Garage I track the car very often, I am running on stock turbo 1446, should I upgrade to 1752 without a forged engine?
K Li GT1446 Factory Turbo with 80K miles on it.
That comes down to what your preference is. It is of course possible to run any turbo on an unforged engine it's a matter of tuning it to give it usable performance that can sometimes cause the issues.
Why in the living hell they come out with fiat 500 pop, sport, lounge, gucci, abarth bla bla, there should be a fiat 500 160 hp stock for woman in pastel colors and the abarth 250 hp stock and you'll have all that market segment in your pocket as a manufacturer, simple as that
Fiat and Abarth are separate divisions. Having choice is what sells cars