Finally I got to see this xD Great work as always ^^ I don't think that GW would, but they should. In the end, all they need to do is change the helmetless heads.
I think your incomplete understanding of the lore and the "right way" to paint space marines ended up with a really interesting result. Totally gonna borrow some of these ideas! looks great!
Of course they should make female Space Marines! Times change and so should GW! Super nice result Lyla, I really liked the entire thing, yes the snow is included in this! Well done! 👍🏆
As to what you said about armour it is generally made by a forge world then transported to the force thay needs it not sure of it is coloured before hand tho
My view on this is build what you want and anyone that protests is not worth your time. Sisters of Battle aren’t a good analogue as they are specifically distinct from Marines, using faith in the Emperor for their power rather being genetically and physically superior to regular humans. If they can write lore that enables primaris marines then they can easily produce lore that enables female marines. An interesting parallel is Stormcast, with a clean slate GW easily put female stormcast right in there and they are as analogous to marines as you get in AoS. Untethered from decades of lore it’s very obvious that GW are focussing a lot more on equal representation in some factions within AoS. As a space wolf player I’ve found that snow is easy to make by mixing snow flock, white acrylic modelling paste and PVA glue. Mix the snow flock and acrylic paste until you get a stiff mixture and then add the PVA until it loosens up. This should give you a snow paste that holds its shape pretty well and looks like trodden snow when set, sprinkle snow flock over the top of the still wet mix to get a fluffy snow effect if desired. Great job with the mini diorama!
Gender politics have little use in the Imperium. The Cult of the Emperor in the Imperium is roughly based on the Roman Catholic Church. Space Marines are as much monks as they are soldiers and sisters of battle are just as much nuns as they are soldiers.
Gender politics have little use in the Imperium. Therefore, it is silly to remove half of the population from a pool of applicants to be turned into super soldiers. Make female space marines. Make brothers of battle. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD UPDATE THE IMPERIAL GUARD AND ELDAR.
The Imperium doesn't dabble in gender politics it deals only in faith and order. Like the Catholic Church they deal in ideological absolutes. To quote the rule book "An open mind is an unguarded fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded." Women are allowed to fight in the Imperial Guard and the Sister's. There's no troop strength loss there.
@@beaushaver3779 but the lore is flexible and malleable. It is there to support the sale of miniatures. It is not some immutable certainty. If it were, Tau wouldn’t be in the game. Neither would Primarus marines. Lore changes as the game progresses. There are only no lady space marines right now because the original models didn’t sell well in Rogue Trader. That’s it. There is no good reason not to have female space marines except for what you’ve quoted, lore. Lore can and does change all the time. Remember when Space Wolves (about as un-monk like as you can get) we’re allowed to take Leman Russ tanks? They sure can’t do that now. Lore changed to reflect that rule too. It’s time lore changed enough to allow everyone into the poster child faction instead of telling them “oh no girls in this faction, but it’s ok, there is a whole faction of girls!”
I believe the creators of the warhammer franchise have the full right to exclude any race or gender if they so wish. People should stop believing everything is that doesn’t include everyone is offensive. Its a story. A fantasy story. Leave people to have their own stories without forcing stuff on them.
Hello Lyla, Here is a suggestion for your winter wonderland work in progress. Spray a lite dusting of matt varnish or clear varnish on your diorama then with a powder sugar duster sprinkle a combination of table salt, granulated sugar powdered sugar baking soda over the wet varnish then tip your diorama upside down and shake off the excess. 😉 this prosess can be repeated until you achieve your desired look. P.S. I was one of the people who suggested blue stuff. 😉
And as for super power women kicking ass is armor, Stormcast Eternals have many women models. Mixed in with the men. They are Heroes Reborn from far places and cast into soldiers of order in the war against chaos. Happy Hobbying!!
i already asked myself why they stay as male/female, if i understand correctly their corpses are reconstructed as they was dying right? why letting them as a male or female then, this is probably better to format them as a "better" version, and since it cost energy from Sigmar to recreate them (and gender organs for example) making them as "perfect" clones would be better (but i don't know AOS that much, and maybe there is something blocking sigmar to do it that way)
Great topic! Awesome conversion and paint job. I think as a hobbyist you can and should do what you want. That’s what makes the hobby fun. Having friends to hobby with and play games that have a good attitude is what’s important. Wish I had a female counter part to do hobby with. I’d support her 110%. That being said….I’m going to poke a little fun at ourselves. The lore says space marines are sterile. They don’t have families, they can live hundreds of years, which means no real attachments and function emotionally more like robots. If you want a female looking version of that in a more “masculine” looking armor I say go for it. Let’s talk about these “cool” space marines that “we” want to fit into and make representations of ourselves to be (and I’ve modeled too). The lore is that these are warrior monk, emotionless, feel no pain, no surrender, fight to the death, no retreat, emotionally muted former humans who’ve been flushed with chemicals and multiple organ surgeries. They might look like men, sorta, but they have no emotion like you’d find in a Imperial Guard unit. Even the Sisters of Battle are probably just as emotionally detached as Space Marines from society. They are Warrior Nuns without the massive invasive surgeries and chemical washes. They are more interested in barbecuing their enemies alive then giving or receiving love letters. I’d guess that Space Marines and Sisters of Battle would fit into multiple categories of the DSM-V. We’ve got marine chapters themed to all kinds of stuff already. White scars are Khan themes. Blood Angels look Roman. Space Wolves look Viking. Etc. I’m totally ok with a mixed fighting force of any gender or racial make up, whatever. Personally, I think I would be cool to start recruiting Xenos like the tau into human ranks like the tau, by lore, can recruit humans into their ranks. Makes the hobby more interesting and fun. Do we need more space marines though…. Lol…. I guess so…. Just be a good sport when the Ad Mech, Drukhari or whoever is OP at the time crushes you.
For a first kitbash this is amazing and better than where my current skills are. And I'm all for heresy As for for female space marines: I really have no strong feelings one way or the other. Sure, now there is lore reason why not, but it's a fictional universe and easily could add something in. At the same time I often feel it's a disservice to both sides just to take something that already exists for male characters and just copy it to female characters. Female heroes are better when they are their own persons rather than just clones of male counterparts. But I will never discourage anyone who wants to make all female chapters. I love to see other people's takes on things. Part of what makes this hobby interesting
Male here, and sisters of battle collector, i love the modern female models. That said, GW just produce what sells, and will be a demand for woman space marines the’ll produce them even if lore wise space marines are genetic experiments carring the Emperror’s genes. In the last years we’ve seen a lot of interest toward female characters (female stormcast eternals, female genestealer cult magus, the goddess of the sylvaneth, a whole new sisters of battle army…) time will tell.
As a Chaos Space Marine player fielding both Death Guard and Black Legion and homebrew, I can tell you that heretical is good. The kit-bash looks good and inspired. As far as whether there should be female space marines...maybe? I think it depends on how it's done. If they end up hyper-sexualized, then maybe not, if it's done with the same care as the new-ish female commissar? Sure, definitely. As far as the lore goes, sure officially there is no female space marines, but that doesn't mean you can't come up with your own reasons why *your* army exactly has female space marines.
you done did good....i dont do warhammer, not cause i dont like it, its just not my bag..but i dig what you have done! well done! p.s. your snow turned out good. dont sweat it....we get better the more we play with it...you got this girl
In the lore, it was said that because the Emperor was obviously male, he wanted it so that his Angels of Death would be easy to create via scientific processes by keying the Astartes implants to male zygotes to make the surgical processes much more easier to understand for himself. I could imagine he didn't want to mess up a perfectly healthy and fit female candidate in case of any mistake brought on by unreliability because whilst he could know about and understand the biology of a female human, he didn't exactly know EVERYTHING about the nooks an crannies of the form and didn't want to risk anything. The risk is already high enough because when the aspirants go through the surgeries, they have to be awake AT ALL TIMES and may die from the pain as a result of the previously 19, now 21 surgeries and implants. Speaking of which, Belisarius Cawl, Archmagos Dominus of the Adeptus Mechanicus, created Primaris Space Marines which are stronger, faster and better in every way (which pissed off a lot of the community). They apparently yield a far superior closeness in geneseed purity to their Primarchs, their fathers and the Emperor's demigod sons, which can probably alter the narrative on Adepta Astartes and actually bring them into the setting. I mean, they have female Stormcast Eternals. I, for one, would welcome this change, although if they had the helmets on, you probably wouldn't be able to tell them apart.
This is amazing work as always. GW could easily make female space marines. GW should make female slave marines. GW won't make them until the community expects them too.
interesting take as far as women space marines go well GW made the Sisters of Battle for that role will GW ever make female Space Marines i seriously doubt it although they did make female Stormcast which was cool, but if you look at the GW range as a whole there are very few female models most of them are male which i think kinda reflects the over all assumption that men are the warriors and fighters and so on is it right no, but its what we have to work with, as for women being welcomed into the hobby there have been massive leaps forward in that since i started in the hobby nearly 25 years ago, GW even now feature female staff on their painting tutorial videos to encourage women/girls into the hobby....great video and dont worry about the kit bashing problem lots of people struggle with it when they start doing it, me included
They were a thing dating back to Rogue Trader. I think GW decided to rollback on the concept because they pursued the Sisters of Battle instead. There are also the Sisters of Silence who fight alongside the Adeptus Custodes.
Good video and great looking model. I’m inspired to try blue stuff, never knew it was that easy to make a mold. One bit of feedback: your audio sounds very mushy and distorted in this and other videos of yours. Can’t tell you how to fix it, but IMO cleaner audio would improve your videos.
My way of getting around that for my Chapter was to invent another primarch, taking "The Angel" (an actual lore creation of the emperor) as the prototype primarch and using her DNA to develop the geneseed.
This is brilliant! The armour colour for both marines were a solid 10/10, I’m used to the simpler GW way of painting without all the blending, but this was so much better. Great job. Oh. Games Workshop should definatly crawl out from the Dark Ages. Genderlocking Space Marines is really dumb, and it wasnt made «cannon» before the year 2002, so they cant even say that its «always» been like this. Female Space Marines now.
I don't get the complaints either way. Lore says they can't happen so just run a female army. Or swap out for female heads. Just don't expect decades of lore and by now tradition to change. Hell last month they reconfirmed woman can not become space marines, so don't expect that to change when it comes to official stuff.
So I don't really care about female space marines in general or not and calling the space marines the main characters is a bit of a stretch these days. There are also plenty of places where there are females present in other armies and even entire armies that are exclusively female. I don't see the need specifically to shoehorn female space marines into the lore to satisfy some fanatical need for gender equality when that equality already exists in the game and when shoehorning male characters into the all female armies would not be seen as equality but disempowering. Whatever that means when we're talking about tiny plastic figures one inch tall. All that said I also don't have any issue with someone kitbashing their own female space marines for their personal armies or displays. I've seen some very impressive work doing just that. However I do see three very good reasons for there to be no female space marines. Reason 1: I've seen some of those early female space marine models. Even in the 80s there were plenty of female players. The reason male and female players didn't buy too many of them and why stores started requesting that games workshop stop sending them is because the sculpts were fucking terrible. Like truly awful. Now this could be gotten around by getting better sculpts in high quality plastic and resin like the current minis but I would still argue against it. There are mixed gender armies and units and single gender armies and units and that brings it's own balance to the game. Plus the future is supposed to be dark and regressive in many ways. The idea of regressive and segregationist gender policies helps add to that atmosphere. Reason 2: Just practically speaking, in universe, the point of the space marines was to create the most physically powerful and imposing warriors from human stock possible. The Emperor was not concerned with gender equality but the cold hard facts of the science. That would naturally lend itself to male stock. Remember that in many ways the future is ass backwards. Think more like the brutal WWI trench fighting than the high tech long distance combat of the Iraq war, either Iraq war. There is high tech weaponry but a lot of the combat is in your face and hand to hand. In today's military a woman can indeed perform just as well as a comparably trained man. However if you remove the distance and some of the high tech and change the combat to a much more in your face style of fighting and you would naturally choose well trained male warriors every time. Even if you're able to genetically modify something as complex as a human in the ways 40K says humans were altered you'd only be able to alter what was already there. Male and females have fundamentally different physiologies such that even if you genetically altered a female in the same way she would still be less physically imposing than a male counterpart. In a universe that depends on brutal physical strength in combat as much as 40K does you would be very hard pressed to find a reason to choose a female over a male. Reason 3: 40K is a bizarre and extreme evolution of our own society based on some extremely fantastical events and an ocean of time separating now from then. However there are some similarities and historical patterns. When you consider that in 40K the Imperial Truth was long since corrupted into the Imperial Religion the gender separation of the armies makes sense both in universe and as a historical evolution. If the Imperium is centered around worship of the God Emperor then the different Chapters of the Imperium and the societies that evolved around the different official offices of the Imperium that exist to serve that religion would tend to naturally be segregated by gender much like the Christian monastic orders of the Middle Ages and how the remaining orders of monks and nuns still stay separate to this day. The simple reason being that your life's purpose is to serve your god. Anything else is a distraction and a sin. You insulate yourself from the temptations of the world by renouncing wealth and taking vows of poverty. You insulate yourself from pride and ambition by taking vows of service. You insulate yourself from temptations of the flesh and heart by taking vows of celibacy and segregating yourself from the opposite sex as much as possible. Even if the Emperor had created female space marines the male and female space marines would have naturally begun to segregate themselves over the millennia until the idea of mixed gender Chapters would seem almost heresy against the Emperor. And we know what happens to heretics.
Holy cow, I wish you could see my daughter running down the street with her helmet on, swinging a broom around like an axe, and giving her best battle cry!
Delighted u reup loaded the vid went to watch it in my watch later and was gone than saw ur post about taking it down, great vid as always and you have loads of support and i totally agree with having female space marines, why not, could create some cool lore because of it in the books and even chapter specific female regiments or elites or whatever who cares 👍
Nice work! On the Woman space marine argument, I am of no strong opinion either way. If they do decide to do so good for them, if not, also good. My request would be it needs to find a way to fit into the lore. Like someone else said on this vid, the Primaris introduction could have been a great time for it. As a side note, I'm doing just about all that I can to NOT paint faces. I mean, I have Dark Angels, Grey Knights Necrons and Tyranids. so far I've found ways give helmets to those who come without them. My Phobos Librarian for example, I used a Grey Knights helmet from a friend. :) (I didn't have GK at the time) I look forward to more of your content.
That looks awesome. So many neat tips with the pool of blood and the moulding. I’ve never played warhammer, but figure if the canon shuts out half your audience then the company should change the canon.
40k always been more male oriented, not just space marines, however recently they've been slowly (veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery slowly) adding more females figures, but knowing the hardcore fanbase space marines have...i wouldn't bet my money on fameles figures there... changing topic, with some wwhite paint added to the pva-baking soda mixture you can avoid it getting yellow
i'm collecting models from 6 spaces marines army, and i'd gladly add somes females (actually nearly all my inquisitors are females in my grey knight collection), i don't know people who just "hate" female SM, they just "know" that's impossible because of the GenesBlahBlahRandomExcuse so they don't expect it
#1 rule always is build/paint your models however you want as long as it makes you happy. If someone were to bring a well done female space marine army to the table I would be glad to play them any day of the week as long as they are a good sport. That being said, I think this hyperfocus on FEMALE SPACE MARINES from outside the community largely comes from a pop culture/social pressure place and not from people actually in the hobby who are looking for representation. The whole thing spits on all of the equally interesting factions and models with female sculpts/inclusion. It seems so disingenuous to complain about the ONE major faction in the whole universe that is 'boys only' on end when there are so many others that aren't. It's one of the core components of what makes the Space Marine faction special in the first place. Lore and universe immersion are important to me because I like the stories and the worldbuilding; erasing all of that because someone doesn't feel comfortable playing with male models in this one specific faction just seems needlessly destructive and brash when there are plenty of other equally interesting factions to pick from. TL:DR if you don't like those particular toys don't play with them.
It's not about being uncomfortable playing with male models. It's about the way females are depicted. Before the Sisters of battle, most females were depicted as sexy or less powerful. Even with the sisters, they are still made to 'show their body'. Their armour is designed to pop the boobs, which is a terrible idea because of projectile reflection etc(i know bringing reality into a wargame). We are not saying .... replace everything. Male models are bad. We just want more representation in the hobby in a respectful way.
@@_nixxie_ More new models sounds great to me. I think adding more feminine/andro head sculpts to the IG was critical and a great step in that direction. I guess I would like to see new stuff with a different look as opposed to redoing or altering an existing faction with a design ID someone loves.
A quick point… the reason space marines are all men (and mostly white men) is because those were the people playing the game almost exclusively. If you want a more diverse crowd (meaning more players) you can’t push them out by saying “men only” and then present them with nothing but Uber mensch models. That’s not going to be very inviting, and it’s going to earn players a reputation for being pretty toxic. And deservedly so. Who cares if we add female space marines? Does it really change anything? Not from a gameplay perspective and not really from a lore perspective either. It’s wise to not gatekeeper over things like this and it’s wiser still to recognize gatekeeping when it’s happening.
@@stevenwitcher8087 Exactly. And so many people have said you can't criticize the game lore if you are new to the game or that you can't change lore so go play something else. At what point are you considered not a newbie and can voice your criticisms. Sure that is fine if other people play different systems in the area, however, this is often not the case and have to play 40k or AoS as they are the popular wargames.
All sculpts were rough. The hobby is about war which attracts a ast majority of men and little to no women. If they reintroduce female space marine the exact same thing will happen (they won't sell, unless they make them sexy) because the human species hasn't evolved in 30 years. This whole discussion is silly tbh
Okay my opinion on female spaces marines may sound negative and insulting but that is not my intention, so here's my opinion on the matter. If a woman was to under go the extensive body modifications (extra organs, muscles growth and enhancements, skeletal manipulation as well as some others) Your female subject will now be standing at around 7 feet tall and weigh in at around 200 pounds her body would resemble something close to a competitive body builder, any feminine features in her face will be lost due to such. So the interest in such models would be rather low and not cost effective to create, print, box and ship. But with saying that, this is a new era so perhaps at the very least have a "make to order" option.. hell GW could/would charge more per model Those are just my thoughts, I am on planning to add some sisters of battle to my marines just for my head cannon.
Female space marine arent needed. Less sexualized model is what needed, and Games Workshop proved that they can do it in multiple artwork, such as the cover of the book The Dark City. now we just need them in actual miniature model.
Ok, hot opinion time. please know that I'm not some toxic ass, and yes i am a man. in my opinion i don't think that there needs to be any female space marine. for a few reasons, 1. it is written in the lore and although yes it would be possible to change , it would be a really big change and hard to make it not sound tacked on. 2. the hole topic is strange. imagine if you will, all space marines were female from the very beginning. i don't think many people would complain, mostly because they would get called sexist, its kind of a double standard. a perfect example would be if they started making sisters of battle unites mixed genders. as a sisters of battle player, i think that would be a little dumb. 3. if people want female space marines they can make their own, this video is awesome, i love the model and the work you do is epic. so if people want to do this they can, so i don't think GW needs to write female space marines into the lore. again its cool if anyone disagrees with me, this is just my view. (PS: don't worry, kit bashing is hard, i still get nerves when ever i start cutting models up to make something new, you just get better with practice.)
Assuming none of us are toxic asses, I want to offer responses to your points, not sure that they're really a rebuttle. 1) The lore was created to serve the buying habits in the 1980s...not exactly deep and meaingful starting point. That the battlebros are post-human asexual, aromantic meatrobots that live to kill and nothin' else isn't exactly an ideal that I think any healthy person would aspire to and that leads into the a point that I don't think a lot of people appreciate, Warhammer 40k has a lot of satire in it, including the Space Marines. People don't see that and that's why people want more intigration. One of the other 28mag inspired videos (th-cam.com/video/FNsKXidaQ3U/w-d-xo.html) points out that it's very likely that, given, the Space Marine process starts pre-puberty, that male and female bodies would end up Space Marine like in the same form. So allowing Primaris (Marine 2.0) to be 'built' from either prepubesene males or females wouldn't be a stretch in the lore and wouldn't need any more minis. 2) I agree with this point. A full female army wouldn't have issues of discrimination, it'd likely have other issues due to bikini-armor and other tropes. I'll point out that the vast, vast majority of historical wargaming doesn't have openly female presenting characters in them generally. That's the sucky thing about tropes, they exist in context and while an individual example of a trope can make great sense, when that's the only expression of the trope you see, it becomes problomatic. The Sisters of Battle are an interesting example that is getting better, but in the begining were 100% for the male gaze. corsets and high heels don't exactly make sense when dealing with a battlefield. They're also not the flagship force of the game, though this too is getting better. 3) All other things being equal, this makes total sense and given the number of conversions that I've enjoyed watching on TH-cam, I totally appreciate. Where it runs into problems is some of GW's policies on third party elements. If you buy a female head off Cults3d...you can't use it in a tournament army. th-cam.com/video/e6x7ZWf63cg/w-d-xo.html now is that a realistic issue for a lot of people? Hard to say, does it make a barrier? I think Games Workshop should get to choose one of the two, but not both.
@@stephenrider6107 your argument for point 1. Is interesting, I need to read up on my lore for space marine in lore creation. Argument for 2. Definitely agree, I don’t have any problems with sexy characters or sexy designs but in terms of armoured bikinis they are so stupid, that’s a really big reason why I love the sisters of battle, I don’t think they’re very overly sexualized, just genuinely bad ass space nuns and I love it. I think some of the models fail a little bit at portraying this just because of the scale, and the need for more exaggerated proportion’s. 3. Given GW and the new IP changes, I think the community as a whole is being oppressed a bit. But it is completely in their right to ban 3rd party or 3D printed stuff from their Tournaments, as sucky as it is.
@@traeyager5298 *tips hat* I think we're on the same page, I just take it a step further and suggest that GW either 1) give us female space marines or 2) let us use 3d printed/3rd party mods to their models. I went back and looked at the original Sisters of Battle minis and while some of them have some interesting choices, they're no worse than how we see a lot of female super hero costumes today so my argument that they were purely over sexualized was wrong. Fan art is another matter.
@@traeyager5298 I'm not going to censor them. I am going to double check the credits for any miniture or painting that I use for an example before using it as an argument.
Why are there no female Space Marines? Two reasons: One is for the same reason that Mattel don't make realistic Ken dolls: Girls don't WANT them; and the second is that there are virtually no female marines in real life, and the ones that do exist (such as in the US marine corp) are mostly there as diversity-quota hires, and have to be protected by the men if they go anywhere near a battlefield. Back in the 1980's when the lore for 40K was being cobbled together, the idea of depicting, in a sci-fi game, women as cannon-fodder on the front line was an ugly one, and I suspect a step too far for Games Workshop and for the 99.99% male fan-base. You can blow up as many men as you want and it's still sci-fi fantasy, but killing women is sinister, in the same way as killing children is sinister. 40K is "grimdark" but not _that_ kind of grimdark.
You see, I take offense. Not because of female Astartes, but because you talked shit on Sisters of Battle. I love the fact that their armor design emphasizes the fact that they’re women. It really empowering to think about it. That they’re proudly wearing this armor design and fighting just as competently as the Astartes (despite being normal humans, too). Like, you can just say that it’s not for you instead of belittling it as misogynistic. Also, Space Marines are extremely overrated, and GW has been putting Sisters of Battle more into the forefront and honestly I’m happy to see that. It’s about time they get the recognition they deserve. I honestly hope they do the same to every faction too, because damn am I sick of Space Marines.
Fantastic job, beautifully done. I have found that Elmer's glue and baking soda works best for what would be scale light fluffy snow. But I put a coat of semi-gloss white on top of it because it does yellow. For melty snow super glue and baking soda it looks like slush. I absolutely think that female space Marines will be back. Get it grrrl.
Space marines are selected from the strongest individuals from each planets to undergo the transformation. Of course, the "strongest individuals" tend to be male, so probably there is a male centered culture on the process of becoming a Space marine, leaving potential female candidates behind. Is that ok? No, by today standards. But it is what you would expect from a ruthless, primitive, superstitious theocracy. Gender equality feels weird in a setting where billions of lives are just a price to pay to protect some old relict. Personally, I like 40k to be as grimdark as possible, but I like even more when people have their own personalized armies.
oh man why oh why i dont think this shuld be a discussion.. i don‘t think there should be female spacemarines i dont go in the whole lore thing here but okey
I already watched to first version but I watched this too because you deserve the views and hopefully it will increase exposure for the video, because the topic deserves that as well. And yes, GW totally should just start making women space marines. They should've done it when they introduced an entirely new line of slightly larger space marines anyway, and explained it in lore as them being the "next generation" space marines (Primaris). They didn't, of course, but they totally should have because that was a great opportunity to do it and justify it, both in terms of new production lines (they were adding anyway) and lore (they're an entirely new type of space marine in universe anyway).
@@IndraSunrise A few want them. A very vocal minority. Guard just got them, and they actually have a diverse gender split. GW has been taking options away, not giving them. It took how long to get plastic sisters?
firstly, im not interested in warhammer, im here for your work, as for female characters, im in kind of a middle ground, not androgynous "one size fits all" armor style, but not over feminized armor. i prefer a more halo reach/halo 5 or mandalorian approach of both clearly female but functional...though i do still love my plate bikinis on occasion
Nice conversation 👍 thinking a female chapter would make an interesting home brew project and story. As for GW producing and writing into lore it’s gonna take some strong arming probably from women who don’t have any interest in the hobby just on an inclusion crusade 😆
It’s good that women are finally starting to play tabletop games like this, but just because they don’t allow kit bashing in tournaments, doesn’t make it a misogynistic hobby. One of the things that I see people doing in hobbies, is disrespecting the Lore for the universe that they’re playing in and then making changes to the Lore/mechanics because they don’t like it, despite just finding out about it. It’s like all the people who jumped on the d&d 5E bandwagon and demanded changes for stuff they should have no say in. To get back onto the topic at hand: there’s nothing wrong with lore, there’s nothing wrong with people who kit bash there marines to have women heads, but if you’re going to play a league game, do not be upset at the fan base, be upset at the people who made the rules and lore.
@@Klamev For real lol...."You shouldn't demand changes for things you don't have a say in but also you should be upset at the people who are capable of making changes."
@@Klamev I find it interesting that you went straight to insulting instead of trying to have a conversation about a differing opinion. Come back and talk with me once you mature a little.
@@nekrataali What I’m trying to say is don’t be mad at the community for something that a company is doing. The only reason why things are the way they are is because no one supported the original female marines in the 80’s. The company reworked the lore to fit what was reflected in the sales for the female marines.
Same thing that I said last time; the lore of 40k changes all the time, and I see no reason why they can't change it again. Additionally I have yet to see a counter against this other than "this is how it was before so it should stay that way," which completely ignores the fact the lore has changed before, models have come and gone, and product lines have expanded where before they were static or even non-existent (like new factions being added, or new units).
Thanks for all of your support, as always!
For what it is worth I thought humor in take 1 was awesome
@@Tristanosaurs Yah kinda sad to see Lyla not tell the neckbeards to shove it lol
Like Bob Ross once said: "We don't commit heresy, we just have happy kitbashes."
Great job by the way!
God it would be awesome if bob ross would’ve been a 40k or fantasy fan
Heresy! And high quality heresy at that! One should never settle for heretical works of low effort. Most excellent all around. Cheers!
That Aquila on the Chaos Space Marine is indeed the most Heretical thing i've ever seen :D
Great Kitbash and Video tho :)
He didn't get the memo. :D
What an awesome diorama, I would hate to be that chaos space marine :O
As a space wolf fan, that is perhaps the best space wolves piece I have seen.
Commenting again for the algorithm, your painting is on another level!
Chaos Primaris? Super-heretical ;-)
Awesome build! Thanks for sharing
I’m more interested in what happened during the crusades and the Horus heresy than what’s going on now in the lore
I think that a game set during the Unification Wars could be fun. Maybe somewhere for Forge World to go after the Horus Heresy finally ends.
Finally I got to see this xD
Great work as always ^^
I don't think that GW would, but they should.
In the end, all they need to do is change the helmetless heads.
They already have women in the storm cast for AoS. It’s not like they don’t already have female warrior heads…
I've been making a fully female army for years. I use female storm cast models and heavily kitbash them into primaries size space marines
Awesome 👍👍
Yaaaasssss! This is perfect
Going to make sure this plays all the way even when I saw first take
I think your incomplete understanding of the lore and the "right way" to paint space marines ended up with a really interesting result. Totally gonna borrow some of these ideas! looks great!
You nailed it. That looks fantastic.
Let me add that it’s awesome to see painters and war gamers of all genders on TH-cam.
Of course they should make female Space Marines! Times change and so should GW! Super nice result Lyla, I really liked the entire thing, yes the snow is included in this! Well done! 👍🏆
Thanks, Leif!
Just joined today, and the amount of information that is helping me out is stunning! Thank you, Lyla!!!!!
Great presentation and an awesome model! Glad you decided to go for the challenge 😄
You beat Horus to second place in terms of heresy in the Warhammer universe. Good job!
great job luv to kitbash never really sure what the end result will be but your was great thanks
Kitbashing is loads of fun! I've done rather minor ones so far tho. But your video is inspirational.
Even hot glue got addressed... Good :D (I hope it was clear that I was sarcastic back in the original video comments)
Love it. Great work. Love the framed Vegvisir too! ;)
There are female space Marines they are called the sisters of battle
Sounds like heresy....... I'm in!
Looks really cool.
Great Kitbash.
I loved the commentary on the Gold for each model. It gave me a lot to think about.
Keep up the great work.
Very entertaining! The tip about applying the blood effect is a gem!
As to what you said about armour it is generally made by a forge world then transported to the force thay needs it not sure of it is coloured before hand tho
Oh a reupload? Guess i just have to watch the entire thing again
Obligatory, really
My view on this is build what you want and anyone that protests is not worth your time. Sisters of Battle aren’t a good analogue as they are specifically distinct from Marines, using faith in the Emperor for their power rather being genetically and physically superior to regular humans. If they can write lore that enables primaris marines then they can easily produce lore that enables female marines.
An interesting parallel is Stormcast, with a clean slate GW easily put female stormcast right in there and they are as analogous to marines as you get in AoS. Untethered from decades of lore it’s very obvious that GW are focussing a lot more on equal representation in some factions within AoS.
As a space wolf player I’ve found that snow is easy to make by mixing snow flock, white acrylic modelling paste and PVA glue. Mix the snow flock and acrylic paste until you get a stiff mixture and then add the PVA until it loosens up. This should give you a snow paste that holds its shape pretty well and looks like trodden snow when set, sprinkle snow flock over the top of the still wet mix to get a fluffy snow effect if desired.
Great job with the mini diorama!
IT'S BACK.
Indeed!
Gender politics have little use in the Imperium. The Cult of the Emperor in the Imperium is roughly based on the Roman Catholic Church. Space Marines are as much monks as they are soldiers and sisters of battle are just as much nuns as they are soldiers.
Gender politics have little use in the Imperium. Therefore, it is silly to remove half of the population from a pool of applicants to be turned into super soldiers.
Make female space marines.
Make brothers of battle.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD UPDATE THE IMPERIAL GUARD AND ELDAR.
The Imperium doesn't dabble in gender politics it deals only in faith and order. Like the Catholic Church they deal in ideological absolutes. To quote the rule book "An open mind is an unguarded fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded." Women are allowed to fight in the Imperial Guard and the Sister's. There's no troop strength loss there.
@@beaushaver3779 but the lore is flexible and malleable. It is there to support the sale of miniatures. It is not some immutable certainty. If it were, Tau wouldn’t be in the game. Neither would Primarus marines.
Lore changes as the game progresses. There are only no lady space marines right now because the original models didn’t sell well in Rogue Trader. That’s it.
There is no good reason not to have female space marines except for what you’ve quoted, lore. Lore can and does change all the time. Remember when Space Wolves (about as un-monk like as you can get) we’re allowed to take Leman Russ tanks? They sure can’t do that now. Lore changed to reflect that rule too.
It’s time lore changed enough to allow everyone into the poster child faction instead of telling them “oh no girls in this faction, but it’s ok, there is a whole faction of girls!”
Sir tell it to the High Lord's of Terra lol
Okay Lyla, im watching this again 😉
Thanks!
I believe the creators of the warhammer franchise have the full right to exclude any race or gender if they so wish. People should stop believing everything is that doesn’t include everyone is offensive. Its a story. A fantasy story. Leave people to have their own stories without forcing stuff on them.
Brilliant work as usual :)
Hello Lyla,
Here is a suggestion for your winter wonderland work in progress. Spray a lite dusting of matt varnish or clear varnish on your diorama then with a powder sugar duster sprinkle a combination of table salt, granulated sugar powdered sugar baking soda over the wet varnish then tip your diorama upside down and shake off the excess. 😉 this prosess can be repeated until you achieve your desired look.
P.S. I was one of the people who suggested blue stuff. 😉
I love it! It’s fantasy you can do whatever you want
And as for super power women kicking ass is armor, Stormcast Eternals have many women models. Mixed in with the men. They are Heroes Reborn from far places and cast into soldiers of order in the war against chaos. Happy Hobbying!!
i already asked myself why they stay as male/female, if i understand correctly their corpses are reconstructed as they was dying right? why letting them as a male or female then, this is probably better to format them as a "better" version, and since it cost energy from Sigmar to recreate them (and gender organs for example) making them as "perfect" clones would be better (but i don't know AOS that much, and maybe there is something blocking sigmar to do it that way)
That looks bad ass!!
Great topic! Awesome conversion and paint job.
I think as a hobbyist you can and should do what you want. That’s what makes the hobby fun. Having friends to hobby with and play games that have a good attitude is what’s important. Wish I had a female counter part to do hobby with. I’d support her 110%.
That being said….I’m going to poke a little fun at ourselves.
The lore says space marines are sterile. They don’t have families, they can live hundreds of years, which means no real attachments and function emotionally more like robots. If you want a female looking version of that in a more “masculine” looking armor I say go for it. Let’s talk about these “cool” space marines that “we” want to fit into and make representations of ourselves to be (and I’ve modeled too). The lore is that these are warrior monk, emotionless, feel no pain, no surrender, fight to the death, no retreat, emotionally muted former humans who’ve been flushed with chemicals and multiple organ surgeries. They might look like men, sorta, but they have no emotion like you’d find in a Imperial Guard unit. Even the Sisters of Battle are probably just as emotionally detached as Space Marines from society. They are Warrior Nuns without the massive invasive surgeries and chemical washes. They are more interested in barbecuing their enemies alive then giving or receiving love letters. I’d guess that Space Marines and Sisters of Battle would fit into multiple categories of the DSM-V. We’ve got marine chapters themed to all kinds of stuff already. White scars are Khan themes. Blood Angels look Roman. Space Wolves look Viking. Etc. I’m totally ok with a mixed fighting force of any gender or racial make up, whatever. Personally, I think I would be cool to start recruiting Xenos like the tau into human ranks like the tau, by lore, can recruit humans into their ranks. Makes the hobby more interesting and fun.
Do we need more space marines though…. Lol…. I guess so…. Just be a good sport when the Ad Mech, Drukhari or whoever is OP at the time crushes you.
For a first kitbash this is amazing and better than where my current skills are. And I'm all for heresy
As for for female space marines: I really have no strong feelings one way or the other. Sure, now there is lore reason why not, but it's a fictional universe and easily could add something in. At the same time I often feel it's a disservice to both sides just to take something that already exists for male characters and just copy it to female characters. Female heroes are better when they are their own persons rather than just clones of male counterparts. But I will never discourage anyone who wants to make all female chapters. I love to see other people's takes on things. Part of what makes this hobby interesting
Male here, and sisters of battle collector, i love the modern female models. That said, GW just produce what sells, and will be a demand for woman space marines the’ll produce them even if lore wise space marines are genetic experiments carring the Emperror’s genes. In the last years we’ve seen a lot of interest toward female characters (female stormcast eternals, female genestealer cult magus, the goddess of the sylvaneth, a whole new sisters of battle army…) time will tell.
As a Chaos Space Marine player fielding both Death Guard and Black Legion and homebrew, I can tell you that heretical is good. The kit-bash looks good and inspired. As far as whether there should be female space marines...maybe? I think it depends on how it's done. If they end up hyper-sexualized, then maybe not, if it's done with the same care as the new-ish female commissar? Sure, definitely. As far as the lore goes, sure officially there is no female space marines, but that doesn't mean you can't come up with your own reasons why *your* army exactly has female space marines.
Nice kitbash! Thanks for the Blue Stuff tip!
you done did good....i dont do warhammer, not cause i dont like it, its just not my bag..but i dig what you have done! well done!
p.s. your snow turned out good. dont sweat it....we get better the more we play with it...you got this girl
"no, *two* perfectly good jackets"
Nice kitbash
In the lore, it was said that because the Emperor was obviously male, he wanted it so that his Angels of Death would be easy to create via scientific processes by keying the Astartes implants to male zygotes to make the surgical processes much more easier to understand for himself. I could imagine he didn't want to mess up a perfectly healthy and fit female candidate in case of any mistake brought on by unreliability because whilst he could know about and understand the biology of a female human, he didn't exactly know EVERYTHING about the nooks an crannies of the form and didn't want to risk anything. The risk is already high enough because when the aspirants go through the surgeries, they have to be awake AT ALL TIMES and may die from the pain as a result of the previously 19, now 21 surgeries and implants.
Speaking of which, Belisarius Cawl, Archmagos Dominus of the Adeptus Mechanicus, created Primaris Space Marines which are stronger, faster and better in every way (which pissed off a lot of the community). They apparently yield a far superior closeness in geneseed purity to their Primarchs, their fathers and the Emperor's demigod sons, which can probably alter the narrative on Adepta Astartes and actually bring them into the setting. I mean, they have female Stormcast Eternals. I, for one, would welcome this change, although if they had the helmets on, you probably wouldn't be able to tell them apart.
This is amazing work as always. GW could easily make female space marines. GW should make female slave marines. GW won't make them until the community expects them too.
interesting take as far as women space marines go well GW made the Sisters of Battle for that role will GW ever make female Space Marines i seriously doubt it although they did make female Stormcast which was cool, but if you look at the GW range as a whole there are very few female models most of them are male which i think kinda reflects the over all assumption that men are the warriors and fighters and so on is it right no, but its what we have to work with, as for women being welcomed into the hobby there have been massive leaps forward in that since i started in the hobby nearly 25 years ago, GW even now feature female staff on their painting tutorial videos to encourage women/girls into the hobby....great video and dont worry about the kit bashing problem lots of people struggle with it when they start doing it, me included
They were a thing dating back to Rogue Trader. I think GW decided to rollback on the concept because they pursued the Sisters of Battle instead. There are also the Sisters of Silence who fight alongside the Adeptus Custodes.
Great work! Looks amazing.
Great job, keep up the great work! P.S. I love the kitties.
Great video!
Cat space marines!❤️🐱❤️🐱❤️🐱
Good video and great looking model. I’m inspired to try blue stuff, never knew it was that easy to make a mold. One bit of feedback: your audio sounds very mushy and distorted in this and other videos of yours. Can’t tell you how to fix it, but IMO cleaner audio would improve your videos.
thanks for the video, amazing work!!
Great sculpt. As the lore goes the geneseed for the marines came from the Emperor if I recall. Therefore all XX and no XY marines
Males are XY, females are XX, but yes, in general, the muscle growth hormones are activated by the Y chromosome genes.
My way of getting around that for my Chapter was to invent another primarch, taking "The Angel" (an actual lore creation of the emperor) as the prototype primarch and using her DNA to develop the geneseed.
Sisters of battle are the best GW will do
Why was this video posted twice? Was something wrong with take 1?
She changed the beginning slightly.
This is brilliant!
The armour colour for both marines were a solid 10/10, I’m used to the simpler GW way of painting without all the blending, but this was so much better. Great job.
Oh. Games Workshop should definatly crawl out from the Dark Ages. Genderlocking Space Marines is really dumb, and it wasnt made «cannon» before the year 2002, so they cant even say that its «always» been like this.
Female Space Marines now.
Sisters of Battle.
I don't get the complaints either way. Lore says they can't happen so just run a female army. Or swap out for female heads. Just don't expect decades of lore and by now tradition to change. Hell last month they reconfirmed woman can not become space marines, so don't expect that to change when it comes to official stuff.
So I don't really care about female space marines in general or not and calling the space marines the main characters is a bit of a stretch these days. There are also plenty of places where there are females present in other armies and even entire armies that are exclusively female. I don't see the need specifically to shoehorn female space marines into the lore to satisfy some fanatical need for gender equality when that equality already exists in the game and when shoehorning male characters into the all female armies would not be seen as equality but disempowering. Whatever that means when we're talking about tiny plastic figures one inch tall. All that said I also don't have any issue with someone kitbashing their own female space marines for their personal armies or displays. I've seen some very impressive work doing just that. However I do see three very good reasons for there to be no female space marines.
Reason 1: I've seen some of those early female space marine models. Even in the 80s there were plenty of female players. The reason male and female players didn't buy too many of them and why stores started requesting that games workshop stop sending them is because the sculpts were fucking terrible. Like truly awful. Now this could be gotten around by getting better sculpts in high quality plastic and resin like the current minis but I would still argue against it. There are mixed gender armies and units and single gender armies and units and that brings it's own balance to the game. Plus the future is supposed to be dark and regressive in many ways. The idea of regressive and segregationist gender policies helps add to that atmosphere.
Reason 2: Just practically speaking, in universe, the point of the space marines was to create the most physically powerful and imposing warriors from human stock possible. The Emperor was not concerned with gender equality but the cold hard facts of the science. That would naturally lend itself to male stock. Remember that in many ways the future is ass backwards. Think more like the brutal WWI trench fighting than the high tech long distance combat of the Iraq war, either Iraq war. There is high tech weaponry but a lot of the combat is in your face and hand to hand. In today's military a woman can indeed perform just as well as a comparably trained man. However if you remove the distance and some of the high tech and change the combat to a much more in your face style of fighting and you would naturally choose well trained male warriors every time. Even if you're able to genetically modify something as complex as a human in the ways 40K says humans were altered you'd only be able to alter what was already there. Male and females have fundamentally different physiologies such that even if you genetically altered a female in the same way she would still be less physically imposing than a male counterpart. In a universe that depends on brutal physical strength in combat as much as 40K does you would be very hard pressed to find a reason to choose a female over a male.
Reason 3: 40K is a bizarre and extreme evolution of our own society based on some extremely fantastical events and an ocean of time separating now from then. However there are some similarities and historical patterns. When you consider that in 40K the Imperial Truth was long since corrupted into the Imperial Religion the gender separation of the armies makes sense both in universe and as a historical evolution. If the Imperium is centered around worship of the God Emperor then the different Chapters of the Imperium and the societies that evolved around the different official offices of the Imperium that exist to serve that religion would tend to naturally be segregated by gender much like the Christian monastic orders of the Middle Ages and how the remaining orders of monks and nuns still stay separate to this day. The simple reason being that your life's purpose is to serve your god. Anything else is a distraction and a sin. You insulate yourself from the temptations of the world by renouncing wealth and taking vows of poverty. You insulate yourself from pride and ambition by taking vows of service. You insulate yourself from temptations of the flesh and heart by taking vows of celibacy and segregating yourself from the opposite sex as much as possible. Even if the Emperor had created female space marines the male and female space marines would have naturally begun to segregate themselves over the millennia until the idea of mixed gender Chapters would seem almost heresy against the Emperor. And we know what happens to heretics.
Holy cow, I wish you could see my daughter running down the street with her helmet on, swinging a broom around like an axe, and giving her best battle cry!
Delighted u reup loaded the vid went to watch it in my watch later and was gone than saw ur post about taking it down, great vid as always and you have loads of support and i totally agree with having female space marines, why not, could create some cool lore because of it in the books and even chapter specific female regiments or elites or whatever who cares 👍
I do actually think the sort of brotherly comradery space marines have is nice.
Nice work!
On the Woman space marine argument, I am of no strong opinion either way. If they do decide to do so good for them, if not, also good. My request would be it needs to find a way to fit into the lore. Like someone else said on this vid, the Primaris introduction could have been a great time for it. As a side note, I'm doing just about all that I can to NOT paint faces. I mean, I have Dark Angels, Grey Knights Necrons and Tyranids. so far I've found ways give helmets to those who come without them. My Phobos Librarian for example, I used a Grey Knights helmet from a friend. :) (I didn't have GK at the time)
I look forward to more of your content.
That looks awesome. So many neat tips with the pool of blood and the moulding.
I’ve never played warhammer, but figure if the canon shuts out half your audience then the company should change the canon.
Why's that? Do the ladies have to play all female armies? Isn't that a bit sexist?
40k always been more male oriented, not just space marines, however recently they've been slowly (veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery slowly) adding more females figures, but knowing the hardcore fanbase space marines have...i wouldn't bet my money on fameles figures there...
changing topic, with some wwhite paint added to the pva-baking soda mixture you can avoid it getting yellow
i'm collecting models from 6 spaces marines army, and i'd gladly add somes females (actually nearly all my inquisitors are females in my grey knight collection), i don't know people who just "hate" female SM, they just "know" that's impossible because of the GenesBlahBlahRandomExcuse so they don't expect it
#1 rule always is build/paint your models however you want as long as it makes you happy. If someone were to bring a well done female space marine army to the table I would be glad to play them any day of the week as long as they are a good sport.
That being said, I think this hyperfocus on FEMALE SPACE MARINES from outside the community largely comes from a pop culture/social pressure place and not from people actually in the hobby who are looking for representation. The whole thing spits on all of the equally interesting factions and models with female sculpts/inclusion. It seems so disingenuous to complain about the ONE major faction in the whole universe that is 'boys only' on end when there are so many others that aren't. It's one of the core components of what makes the Space Marine faction special in the first place. Lore and universe immersion are important to me because I like the stories and the worldbuilding; erasing all of that because someone doesn't feel comfortable playing with male models in this one specific faction just seems needlessly destructive and brash when there are plenty of other equally interesting factions to pick from.
TL:DR if you don't like those particular toys don't play with them.
It's not about being uncomfortable playing with male models. It's about the way females are depicted. Before the Sisters of battle, most females were depicted as sexy or less powerful. Even with the sisters, they are still made to 'show their body'. Their armour is designed to pop the boobs, which is a terrible idea because of projectile reflection etc(i know bringing reality into a wargame).
We are not saying .... replace everything. Male models are bad. We just want more representation in the hobby in a respectful way.
@@_nixxie_ More new models sounds great to me. I think adding more feminine/andro head sculpts to the IG was critical and a great step in that direction. I guess I would like to see new stuff with a different look as opposed to redoing or altering an existing faction with a design ID someone loves.
A quick point… the reason space marines are all men (and mostly white men) is because those were the people playing the game almost exclusively. If you want a more diverse crowd (meaning more players) you can’t push them out by saying “men only” and then present them with nothing but Uber mensch models. That’s not going to be very inviting, and it’s going to earn players a reputation for being pretty toxic. And deservedly so.
Who cares if we add female space marines? Does it really change anything? Not from a gameplay perspective and not really from a lore perspective either.
It’s wise to not gatekeeper over things like this and it’s wiser still to recognize gatekeeping when it’s happening.
@@stevenwitcher8087 Exactly. And so many people have said you can't criticize the game lore if you are new to the game or that you can't change lore so go play something else. At what point are you considered not a newbie and can voice your criticisms.
Sure that is fine if other people play different systems in the area, however, this is often not the case and have to play 40k or AoS as they are the popular wargames.
the head is rather too small...
Thanks for the hints about Blood for the blood god... explains why my last attempts didn't quite look right.
I think that women space marines not selling back in the olden days might have had something to do with the sculpts; which were pretty rough.
All sculpts were rough. The hobby is about war which attracts a ast majority of men and little to no women. If they reintroduce female space marine the exact same thing will happen (they won't sell, unless they make them sexy) because the human species hasn't evolved in 30 years. This whole discussion is silly tbh
Okay my opinion on female spaces marines may sound negative and insulting but that is not my intention, so here's my opinion on the matter.
If a woman was to under go the extensive body modifications (extra organs, muscles growth and enhancements, skeletal manipulation as well as some others)
Your female subject will now be standing at around 7 feet tall and weigh in at around 200 pounds her body would resemble something close to a competitive body builder, any feminine features in her face will be lost due to such.
So the interest in such models would be rather low and not cost effective to create, print, box and ship.
But with saying that, this is a new era so perhaps at the very least have a "make to order" option.. hell GW could/would charge more per model
Those are just my thoughts, I am on planning to add some sisters of battle to my marines just for my head cannon.
Why not just nice looking heads? It's not like the armour made any sense anyway...
Veeeeery heretical! Love it.
Female space marine arent needed.
Less sexualized model is what needed, and Games Workshop proved that they can do it in multiple artwork, such as the cover of the book The Dark City. now we just need them in actual miniature model.
This is awesome.
Ok, hot opinion time. please know that I'm not some toxic ass, and yes i am a man. in my opinion i don't think that there needs to be any female space marine. for a few reasons, 1. it is written in the lore and although yes it would be possible to change , it would be a really big change and hard to make it not sound tacked on. 2. the hole topic is strange. imagine if you will, all space marines were female from the very beginning. i don't think many people would complain, mostly because they would get called sexist, its kind of a double standard. a perfect example would be if they started making sisters of battle unites mixed genders. as a sisters of battle player, i think that would be a little dumb. 3. if people want female space marines they can make their own, this video is awesome, i love the model and the work you do is epic. so if people want to do this they can, so i don't think GW needs to write female space marines into the lore. again its cool if anyone disagrees with me, this is just my view.
(PS: don't worry, kit bashing is hard, i still get nerves when ever i start cutting models up to make something new, you just get better with practice.)
Assuming none of us are toxic asses, I want to offer responses to your points, not sure that they're really a rebuttle.
1) The lore was created to serve the buying habits in the 1980s...not exactly deep and meaingful starting point. That the battlebros are post-human asexual, aromantic meatrobots that live to kill and nothin' else isn't exactly an ideal that I think any healthy person would aspire to and that leads into the a point that I don't think a lot of people appreciate, Warhammer 40k has a lot of satire in it, including the Space Marines. People don't see that and that's why people want more intigration. One of the other 28mag inspired videos (th-cam.com/video/FNsKXidaQ3U/w-d-xo.html) points out that it's very likely that, given, the Space Marine process starts pre-puberty, that male and female bodies would end up Space Marine like in the same form. So allowing Primaris (Marine 2.0) to be 'built' from either prepubesene males or females wouldn't be a stretch in the lore and wouldn't need any more minis.
2) I agree with this point. A full female army wouldn't have issues of discrimination, it'd likely have other issues due to bikini-armor and other tropes. I'll point out that the vast, vast majority of historical wargaming doesn't have openly female presenting characters in them generally. That's the sucky thing about tropes, they exist in context and while an individual example of a trope can make great sense, when that's the only expression of the trope you see, it becomes problomatic.
The Sisters of Battle are an interesting example that is getting better, but in the begining were 100% for the male gaze. corsets and high heels don't exactly make sense when dealing with a battlefield. They're also not the flagship force of the game, though this too is getting better.
3) All other things being equal, this makes total sense and given the number of conversions that I've enjoyed watching on TH-cam, I totally appreciate. Where it runs into problems is some of GW's policies on third party elements. If you buy a female head off Cults3d...you can't use it in a tournament army. th-cam.com/video/e6x7ZWf63cg/w-d-xo.html now is that a realistic issue for a lot of people? Hard to say, does it make a barrier? I think Games Workshop should get to choose one of the two, but not both.
@@stephenrider6107 your argument for point 1. Is interesting, I need to read up on my lore for space marine in lore creation. Argument for 2. Definitely agree, I don’t have any problems with sexy characters or sexy designs but in terms of armoured bikinis they are so stupid, that’s a really big reason why I love the sisters of battle, I don’t think they’re very overly sexualized, just genuinely bad ass space nuns and I love it. I think some of the models fail a little bit at portraying this just because of the scale, and the need for more exaggerated proportion’s. 3. Given GW and the new IP changes, I think the community as a whole is being oppressed a bit. But it is completely in their right to ban 3rd party or 3D printed stuff from their Tournaments, as sucky as it is.
@@traeyager5298 *tips hat* I think we're on the same page, I just take it a step further and suggest that GW either 1) give us female space marines or 2) let us use 3d printed/3rd party mods to their models.
I went back and looked at the original Sisters of Battle minis and while some of them have some interesting choices, they're no worse than how we see a lot of female super hero costumes today so my argument that they were purely over sexualized was wrong. Fan art is another matter.
@@stephenrider6107 fan art is always another matter lol
@@traeyager5298 I'm not going to censor them. I am going to double check the credits for any miniture or painting that I use for an example before using it as an argument.
Why are there no female Space Marines? Two reasons: One is for the same reason that Mattel don't make realistic Ken dolls: Girls don't WANT them; and the second is that there are virtually no female marines in real life, and the ones that do exist (such as in the US marine corp) are mostly there as diversity-quota hires, and have to be protected by the men if they go anywhere near a battlefield.
Back in the 1980's when the lore for 40K was being cobbled together, the idea of depicting, in a sci-fi game, women as cannon-fodder on the front line was an ugly one, and I suspect a step too far for Games Workshop and for the 99.99% male fan-base. You can blow up as many men as you want and it's still sci-fi fantasy, but killing women is sinister, in the same way as killing children is sinister. 40K is "grimdark" but not _that_ kind of grimdark.
Well this is the first i've heard of this :| The painting is great and the diorama turned out amazing but i really hope GW isnt going woke as well.
You see, I take offense. Not because of female Astartes, but because you talked shit on Sisters of Battle. I love the fact that their armor design emphasizes the fact that they’re women. It really empowering to think about it. That they’re proudly wearing this armor design and fighting just as competently as the Astartes (despite being normal humans, too). Like, you can just say that it’s not for you instead of belittling it as misogynistic.
Also, Space Marines are extremely overrated, and GW has been putting Sisters of Battle more into the forefront and honestly I’m happy to see that. It’s about time they get the recognition they deserve. I honestly hope they do the same to every faction too, because damn am I sick of Space Marines.
Fantastic job, beautifully done. I have found that Elmer's glue and baking soda works best for what would be scale light fluffy snow. But I put a coat of semi-gloss white on top of it because it does yellow. For melty snow super glue and baking soda it looks like slush. I absolutely think that female space Marines will be back. Get it grrrl.
I think it yellowed so quickly because my baking soda is so old
Ill be honest your 1st take didnt bother me at all.
Nice work! I appreciate how they've been trying to salvage the Sisters of Battle, but badass women Space Marines is where it's at
Space marines are selected from the strongest individuals from each planets to undergo the transformation. Of course, the "strongest individuals" tend to be male, so probably there is a male centered culture on the process of becoming a Space marine, leaving potential female candidates behind.
Is that ok? No, by today standards. But it is what you would expect from a ruthless, primitive, superstitious theocracy. Gender equality feels weird in a setting where billions of lives are just a price to pay to protect some old relict.
Personally, I like 40k to be as grimdark as possible, but I like even more when people have their own personalized armies.
Okay-okay. But then we need female Ogryns, female squigs too! And what about male eldar farseers?
oh man why oh why i dont think this shuld be a discussion.. i don‘t think there should be female spacemarines i dont go in the whole lore thing here but okey
then don't make them
I already watched to first version but I watched this too because you deserve the views and hopefully it will increase exposure for the video, because the topic deserves that as well.
And yes, GW totally should just start making women space marines. They should've done it when they introduced an entirely new line of slightly larger space marines anyway, and explained it in lore as them being the "next generation" space marines (Primaris). They didn't, of course, but they totally should have because that was a great opportunity to do it and justify it, both in terms of new production lines (they were adding anyway) and lore (they're an entirely new type of space marine in universe anyway).
Thank you! You are so kind
But why should they add them?
@@flamekaizer8476 because customers want them.
@@IndraSunrise A few want them. A very vocal minority. Guard just got them, and they actually have a diverse gender split. GW has been taking options away, not giving them. It took how long to get plastic sisters?
@@IndraSunrise and?
firstly, im not interested in warhammer, im here for your work, as for female characters, im in kind of a middle ground, not androgynous "one size fits all" armor style, but not over feminized armor. i prefer a more halo reach/halo 5 or mandalorian approach of both clearly female but functional...though i do still love my plate bikinis on occasion
Hey, if they serve the glory of the Empire (or fight against it), then that’s a good enough reason for women space marines for me.
Nice conversation 👍 thinking a female chapter would make an interesting home brew project and story. As for GW producing and writing into lore it’s gonna take some strong arming probably from women who don’t have any interest in the hobby just on an inclusion crusade 😆
No care in the world if GW makes fem-marines
Yes, they should. I love this video but am sad that you beheaded one of my poor chaos lads, but I guess all is fair in kitbashing and war.
Who knows, maybe if GW ever does a reboot on 40k we'll see female space marines in canon
It’s good that women are finally starting to play tabletop games like this, but just because they don’t allow kit bashing in tournaments, doesn’t make it a misogynistic hobby. One of the things that I see people doing in hobbies, is disrespecting the Lore for the universe that they’re playing in and then making changes to the Lore/mechanics because they don’t like it, despite just finding out about it. It’s like all the people who jumped on the d&d 5E bandwagon and demanded changes for stuff they should have no say in.
To get back onto the topic at hand: there’s nothing wrong with lore, there’s nothing wrong with people who kit bash there marines to have women heads, but if you’re going to play a league game, do not be upset at the fan base, be upset at the people who made the rules and lore.
I can smell this comment
@@Klamev For real lol...."You shouldn't demand changes for things you don't have a say in but also you should be upset at the people who are capable of making changes."
So the simplist resolution to this problem is to allow kitbashing in tournaments.
@@Klamev I find it interesting that you went straight to insulting instead of trying to have a conversation about a differing opinion. Come back and talk with me once you mature a little.
@@nekrataali What I’m trying to say is don’t be mad at the community for something that a company is doing. The only reason why things are the way they are is because no one supported the original female marines in the 80’s. The company reworked the lore to fit what was reflected in the sales for the female marines.
Same thing that I said last time; the lore of 40k changes all the time, and I see no reason why they can't change it again. Additionally I have yet to see a counter against this other than "this is how it was before so it should stay that way," which completely ignores the fact the lore has changed before, models have come and gone, and product lines have expanded where before they were static or even non-existent (like new factions being added, or new units).
I just assumed that the bulky Space Marine armor and helmets often concealed that some of the marines were women .
That's old school 40K AF.