Hey! This is the live version. From the record "061502", which coincidentally is the date of their last show. Interesting choice. The original is from their 1999 release, "We Are the Romans" and is obviously a lot... Cleaner. Fun fact, I was at this show!!!! That may have been me screaming in the crowd! Botch is kind of a big deal in the hardcore scene in the northwest. The boys hail from Tacoma, Wa, and played frequently in Portland, Or, my neck of the woods. Keep in mind they started in the EARLY 90's. There was NOTHING like them being produced at the time. They were so far ahead of their time. That's why they did so well. It was a bummer when Botch broke up, we loved them so much in the Northwest. I probably would have recommended something from "The Anthology of Dead Ends" EP like "Japam" or "Afghamistam" but this is a fine choice. You should take a listen to the band "Minus the Bear" now. Dave Knudson, the guitarist for Botch started MTB after Botch. What's cool is that MTB is an indie band and sounds NOTHING like Botch but you can still totally here Knudson's playing style in both bands.
I've seen Minus the Bear mentioned a few times so I guess they'll be coming up soon. I can't say I'm eager to dive back into Mathcore but I'll always give it a fair shot with an open mind.
@@CriticalReactions But that's just the thing. MtB is NOT Mathcore. They're INDIE! No screaming, all singing, toned down guitars the whole bit! The bands couldn't be any different! But Dave Knudson's guitar style comes through in such interesting ways! So now that you heard Dave in a heavy, harsh setting I'd love for to hear him in an Indie setting it's an awesome way to experience a musician. In two VERY different bands. For MtB I highly recommend the song "Absinthe Party at the Fly Honey Warehouse".
Long time listener first time TH-cam commenter (ever) I second everything this person said, please check out the “anthology of dead ends” ep it’s their final effort and about as long as a Yes song (good review btw) or “We are the Romans” and I think 99% of BOTCH fans would be stoked. Have a good day 👍
Man. Thank you for doing this. Seen these guys more times than I can count. Most reaction analysis channels are sleeping on Botch. One of the best DIY bands ever. Thank God For Worker Bees, really anything off American Nervoso or We Are The Romans is gold. (Never been a huge fan of this particular live recording, but better than nothing).
One of my personal favorites. Is there a reason you chose the live version? This was their last recorded live show, maybe their last show ever, I'm not sure.
you provide content nobody else does. but your extended analysis only interests other musicians like us that know what youre talking about. keep if up if u feel like this is what you wanna do
I'm happy with what I'm doing right now. I've found a way to spread musical appreciation and understanding in a format that resonates with people. I might eventually branch off from this and do achieve those same goals in a different format but for now I'm content! :)
Should also check out the band These Arms Are Snakes. Features drummer and guitarist of Botch just a bit less agro but amazing post-hardcore. Botch rule .
Very interesting track. I think I was more constantly fascinated by the combination of the dissonant sounds and the rhythmic complexity, yet I'm not sure it ever came together into a really coherent song. This is one of those where I feel a conflict between my analytical "left-brain" that appreciates this kind of mathematical complexity, and my emotional "right-brain" that wants some melody, hook, or groove to latch onto. Still fascinating, and I could see myself checking them out when I'm in a very specific mood.
You should definitely check out the studio version of this song, it's a lot cleaner than the live version that was reacted to here and feels more like a coherent song
Finally 🙏👌 Definitely need to check out Minus the Bear now 🙏Same guitar player... Completely different style... I have seen them dozens upon dozens of times being blessed to live in Olympia WA 👌 From literally playing in the kitchen of an RV to venues 😂
Haha I recommended him to listen to MTB too! Fellow NW'er here! Portland. Botch was amazing and way ahead of their time. I honestly love both the bands and it's awesome to hear Knudson's style shine in both. You can listen and tell it's the same guitarist.
This is a far from perfect version of this song. It's a live recording of the band's last ever live performance. Great for the fans, but terrible for a first time listen.
I bet someone else has mentioned this, but just in case... Botch included the guitarist of Minus the Bear and the bassist of Russian Circles. This was a kinda weird song to introduce someone to Botch with imo. If you feel like revisiting them, you should check out "C. Thomas Howell as the 'Soul Man'," "Frequency Ass Bandit," and/or "Afghamistam"
20 years later and they released 1 new song saying #noreunion #onesongonly, would be a great react. Check out "One Twenty Two". I saw them at the show before this recording and jeeez it was insane, to date I've never seen such a great performance. I love that they helped shape a generation of hardcore/mathcore/metalcore to follow but its also a shame they quit only after 9 years. Greatful we got Minus the Bear, and These Arms are Snakes, and Russian Circles out of them though.
"I have no idea what these guys are doing" 🤣 Neither do I but I like it. There is something about mathcore/math metal that I really enjoy. I listened to the entire playlist while playing a video game and it was just fun. Also, I think it is interesting that you thought of Westworld. I watched it when it came out and then BTBAMs Automata 1&2 came out and I swore they might have been influenced by Westworld when I dug into the lyrics. 🤔
It's always a strange feeling when you just happen to run into two different works of art in quick succession where you can make so many connections, allowing two works grow you appreciation for both of them despite the fact that the creation process of each might have had nothing to do with the other.
@@CriticalReactions Yes. I agree and I wonder if something subliminal was going on if not intentional. If you haven't listened to all of Automata 1 and 2, I wonder if you would see the same connection I made. I never mentioned it to anyone else or if I did, they hadn't seen Westworld. I personally enjoyed the series a lot.
Drummer Tim Latona recorded much of the Botch reunion tour on his channel. th-cam.com/video/xkomurgWrKU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ooRs-6pA4bpp72yn. This was the only band he was in. He’s an unsung hero for this genre that doesn’t get nearly enough credit.
i believe that dissonance simply doesnt exist. contemporary music is not about the chord but the effects you apply to those chords. you have to be lovable/impressive not good
Gosh, I'm just so disappointed... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...that you chose to make up the word "pan-a-thon" when "panopticon" was like right there. Otherwise good video, Botch rules (and Dillinger of course) and I'm stoked to check out the other mathcore reactions you do this week. Lately I've been a lot more drawn towards the more experimental, dissonant, noisy chaotic stuff like mathcore, avantgarde tech death/black metal, IDM electronic and more good weird like that.
@@jonathanolson1185 Good call, I've explored lots of the main mathcore bands at this point but still need to get around to Psyopus. I also recommend checking out The Dazzling Killmen as a great precursor band to mathcore.
Hey! This is the live version. From the record "061502", which coincidentally is the date of their last show. Interesting choice. The original is from their 1999 release, "We Are the Romans" and is obviously a lot... Cleaner.
Fun fact, I was at this show!!!! That may have been me screaming in the crowd! Botch is kind of a big deal in the hardcore scene in the northwest. The boys hail from Tacoma, Wa, and played frequently in Portland, Or, my neck of the woods. Keep in mind they started in the EARLY 90's. There was NOTHING like them being produced at the time. They were so far ahead of their time. That's why they did so well. It was a bummer when Botch broke up, we loved them so much in the Northwest. I probably would have recommended something from "The Anthology of Dead Ends" EP like "Japam" or "Afghamistam" but this is a fine choice. You should take a listen to the band "Minus the Bear" now. Dave Knudson, the guitarist for Botch started MTB after Botch. What's cool is that MTB is an indie band and sounds NOTHING like Botch but you can still totally here Knudson's playing style in both bands.
I've seen Minus the Bear mentioned a few times so I guess they'll be coming up soon. I can't say I'm eager to dive back into Mathcore but I'll always give it a fair shot with an open mind.
@@CriticalReactions But that's just the thing. MtB is NOT Mathcore. They're INDIE! No screaming, all singing, toned down guitars the whole bit! The bands couldn't be any different! But Dave Knudson's guitar style comes through in such interesting ways! So now that you heard Dave in a heavy, harsh setting I'd love for to hear him in an Indie setting it's an awesome way to experience a musician. In two VERY different bands. For MtB I highly recommend the song "Absinthe Party at the Fly Honey Warehouse".
Long time listener first time TH-cam commenter (ever) I second everything this person said, please check out the “anthology of dead ends” ep it’s their final effort and about as long as a Yes song (good review btw) or “We are the Romans” and I think 99% of BOTCH fans would be stoked. Have a good day 👍
Can wait for the reunion shows next month
@@patricknaron4477 did you get tickets? They sold out in two seconds, I couldn't.
Man. Thank you for doing this. Seen these guys more times than I can count. Most reaction analysis channels are sleeping on Botch. One of the best DIY bands ever. Thank God For Worker Bees, really anything off American Nervoso or We Are The Romans is gold.
(Never been a huge fan of this particular live recording, but better than nothing).
i love how cheerful you are while listening to chaos
God I love botch
goated band
I hope you get to Candiria or The Number Twelve Looks Like You this week
One of my personal favorites. Is there a reason you chose the live version? This was their last recorded live show, maybe their last show ever, I'm not sure.
You should do coalece & rorchach next for your venture down this Avenue. And kiss it goodbye which features members of rorchach.
They have a cover of O Fortuna that is pretty cool. I haven't listened to it in more then a decade tho.
I'll have to check that out!
you provide content nobody else does. but your extended analysis only interests other musicians like us that know what youre talking about. keep if up if u feel like this is what you wanna do
I'm happy with what I'm doing right now. I've found a way to spread musical appreciation and understanding in a format that resonates with people. I might eventually branch off from this and do achieve those same goals in a different format but for now I'm content! :)
Should also check out the band These Arms Are Snakes. Features drummer and guitarist of Botch just a bit less agro but amazing post-hardcore. Botch rule .
Very interesting track. I think I was more constantly fascinated by the combination of the dissonant sounds and the rhythmic complexity, yet I'm not sure it ever came together into a really coherent song. This is one of those where I feel a conflict between my analytical "left-brain" that appreciates this kind of mathematical complexity, and my emotional "right-brain" that wants some melody, hook, or groove to latch onto. Still fascinating, and I could see myself checking them out when I'm in a very specific mood.
You should definitely check out the studio version of this song, it's a lot cleaner than the live version that was reacted to here and feels more like a coherent song
They are perfect
Finally 🙏👌 Definitely need to check out Minus the Bear now 🙏Same guitar player... Completely different style...
I have seen them dozens upon dozens of times being blessed to live in Olympia WA 👌 From literally playing in the kitchen of an RV to venues 😂
Haha I recommended him to listen to MTB too! Fellow NW'er here! Portland. Botch was amazing and way ahead of their time. I honestly love both the bands and it's awesome to hear Knudson's style shine in both. You can listen and tell it's the same guitarist.
This is a far from perfect version of this song. It's a live recording of the band's last ever live performance. Great for the fans, but terrible for a first time listen.
This show was pure destruction. Should have gone with studio recording
Still a perfect version of the song.
Awesome band!
I bet someone else has mentioned this, but just in case... Botch included the guitarist of Minus the Bear and the bassist of Russian Circles. This was a kinda weird song to introduce someone to Botch with imo. If you feel like revisiting them, you should check out "C. Thomas Howell as the 'Soul Man'," "Frequency Ass Bandit," and/or "Afghamistam"
Now that you mention that I hear russian circles and the heavier parts of minus the bear in this.
Drummer was accepted into Julliard
Now ready for The Number Twelve Looks Like You - Grandfather ?
The power of a line 6 delay pedal.....
20 years later and they released 1 new song saying #noreunion #onesongonly, would be a great react. Check out "One Twenty Two".
I saw them at the show before this recording and jeeez it was insane, to date I've never seen such a great performance.
I love that they helped shape a generation of hardcore/mathcore/metalcore to follow but its also a shame they quit only after 9 years.
Greatful we got Minus the Bear, and These Arms are Snakes, and Russian Circles out of them though.
But I’ll be at the Seattle Shows
@@patricknaron4477 NICE! I wonder who the special guests will be... lowkey hoping for TAAS, Harkonen, maybe Great Falls in lieu of Playing Enemy
Welp now you need to listen to Minus the Bear. Same guitarist, slightly different sound.
"I have no idea what these guys are doing" 🤣 Neither do I but I like it. There is something about mathcore/math metal that I really enjoy. I listened to the entire playlist while playing a video game and it was just fun.
Also, I think it is interesting that you thought of Westworld. I watched it when it came out and then BTBAMs Automata 1&2 came out and I swore they might have been influenced by Westworld when I dug into the lyrics. 🤔
It's always a strange feeling when you just happen to run into two different works of art in quick succession where you can make so many connections, allowing two works grow you appreciation for both of them despite the fact that the creation process of each might have had nothing to do with the other.
@@CriticalReactions Yes. I agree and I wonder if something subliminal was going on if not intentional. If you haven't listened to all of Automata 1 and 2, I wonder if you would see the same connection I made. I never mentioned it to anyone else or if I did, they hadn't seen Westworld. I personally enjoyed the series a lot.
It was live
Drummer Tim Latona recorded much of the Botch reunion tour on his channel. th-cam.com/video/xkomurgWrKU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ooRs-6pA4bpp72yn. This was the only band he was in. He’s an unsung hero for this genre that doesn’t get nearly enough credit.
"The Dillinger Escape Plan" and "Botch" bassicaly are the the creators of Mathcore like sound and genre.
add "Deadguy" or "Coalesce" to the pioneers of the genre.
i believe that dissonance simply doesnt exist. contemporary music is not about the chord but the effects you apply to those chords. you have to be lovable/impressive not good
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...that you chose to make up the word "pan-a-thon" when "panopticon" was like right there. Otherwise good video, Botch rules (and Dillinger of course) and I'm stoked to check out the other mathcore reactions you do this week. Lately I've been a lot more drawn towards the more experimental, dissonant, noisy chaotic stuff like mathcore, avantgarde tech death/black metal, IDM electronic and more good weird like that.
Another old school mathcore band you should check out is "Psyopus" if you haven't already.
@@jonathanolson1185 Good call, I've explored lots of the main mathcore bands at this point but still need to get around to Psyopus.
I also recommend checking out The Dazzling Killmen as a great precursor band to mathcore.
Their name really fits. Botched the hell out of that song