❤as I am learning- I admit- I get a lol confused😂. Hope it's OK to ask❤: when doing in-hand in beginning of video I see the horses' neck bent at base of neck- not at the pole. It "appears" to my untrained eye that the horse is not straight🤔. Thanks for video- either way❤❤❤
I am absolutely fascinated by the Academic groundwork. I have been looking into it for a few months now and really want to try some with my horse. I have a question I have not been able to find the answer to, and I'm hoping you'll be able to help me. My mare was previously trained to move away from a raised whip (not stressed movement, it's very calm) but obviously is the opposite of what you want here - if I'm viewing correctly, the raised whip is to signal the hindquarters coming to the inside (towards the whip)? My question is - when beginning this sort of work, is it a natural response for the horse to offer to move the hindquarters toward the whip, which can then be reinforced? Or do you have to cue them in some other way originally (other than the whip) to train them to respond the correct way to the raised whip? I hope that makes sense, and please feel free to ask for clarification if my question doesn't make sense. Thank you - and gorgeous horse by the way :)
i taught my horse the same. it does move away from the whip indeed! you teach this by pointing to/tapping the OUTSIDE hip (with the whip over the back). then the horse moves away from the pressure (= moves the hip towards you) . when the horse understands what to do, you make your aids smaller and smaller until it moves towards you when you raise the wip and point to the outside hip only and then you can try the same in movement. but be careful at first and don't get angry if your horses doesn't understand it right away. some horses are confused at first and you have to teach it in small steps! it's might also help to start teaching it next to a fence at first to make it easier for the horse to find the right answer for the new aid. you can also teach your horse to come towards a target (whip, pool noodle, etc) with positive reinforcement but it might be a little more difficult and confusing. especially if your horse learnt to move away from the whip. if you can't imagine what this looks like: here is link for you to a video. it shows how to teach this (travers). it's in german but you can see how she's doing it even if you don't understand her. th-cam.com/video/HNiJKGknIro/w-d-xo.html it's very nice to teach this even you don't do work in hand. for example you can use it if you want to mount your horse and it's too far away. it's kinda cool when you can only raise your hand and your horse parks next to you.
Hello Kai, thanks for your question :) Yes indeed I teach the horse to come towards my whip in that case. Whip cues that are presented low are talking to the inside of the horse, and whip cues that are given high address the outside of the horse. That way you can build a complete frame of aids, just like in riding. The aids for inside rein and inside leg are given low, the aids for outside rein and outside leg are given with a raised whip. Later they are reduced to much more subtle cues and mainly body language. Body language plays an important role in teaching these aids. So the whip is just to make things a bit more clear for the horse, it's not the essential. It's not about stepping towards the whip with the hind end, it's about learning the quarters-in, which is one of the two balance directions of how the horse can move (the other being shoulder-in). So I'm teaching the horse the different ways to shape his spine (versal and traversal). This is just the very beginning of it. How to teach the quarter-in to a horse can be very individual, but in general I do not like the approach to just teach them a whip cue by tapping on the outside hip and asking them to move away from the pressure. That can lead to many problems and the horse still doesn't understand a quarter-in just because it can move in the hind end. In fact, most quarters-in that I have seen being taught like that take a long time to develop into a correct one and often there goes an amount of tension with that that I do not want in my training. Many horses simply do not know what you want from them when you tap on their outside hip, so you would have to increase the pressure to an amount that it finds uncomfortable or annoying, which I refuse due to ethical reasons. I prefer to teach the quarter-in from the shoulder-in. When the horse can do a shoulder-in, I will bring his shoulder a bit out with the inside rein, while keeping the bended shape. Just like a banana. You bring the one end of the banana a bit out and the other one comes in. If you are interested in learning the academic groundwork, I also teach online. You can shoot me an email to info@academicartofriding.pl. You can also buy teaching videos by Bent Branderup.
@@academicartofriding-bettin7324 oh, im sorry. i only knew that way of teaching it. my horse didn't get stressed when i taught her this and i didn't have to use a lot of pressure so i assumed that it would be same with other horses. but yeah, i also had the problem of getting a counter shoulder in instead of travers with this method at first and it took a while to correct that.
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❤as I am learning- I admit- I get a lol confused😂. Hope it's OK to ask❤: when doing in-hand in beginning of video I see the horses' neck bent at base of neck- not at the pole.
It "appears" to my untrained eye that the horse is not straight🤔.
Thanks for video- either way❤❤❤
I hope you make more videos!
I am absolutely fascinated by the Academic groundwork. I have been looking into it for a few months now and really want to try some with my horse. I have a question I have not been able to find the answer to, and I'm hoping you'll be able to help me. My mare was previously trained to move away from a raised whip (not stressed movement, it's very calm) but obviously is the opposite of what you want here - if I'm viewing correctly, the raised whip is to signal the hindquarters coming to the inside (towards the whip)?
My question is - when beginning this sort of work, is it a natural response for the horse to offer to move the hindquarters toward the whip, which can then be reinforced? Or do you have to cue them in some other way originally (other than the whip) to train them to respond the correct way to the raised whip? I hope that makes sense, and please feel free to ask for clarification if my question doesn't make sense. Thank you - and gorgeous horse by the way :)
i taught my horse the same. it does move away from the whip indeed! you teach this by pointing to/tapping the OUTSIDE hip (with the whip over the back). then the horse moves away from the pressure (= moves the hip towards you) . when the horse understands what to do, you make your aids smaller and smaller until it moves towards you when you raise the wip and point to the outside hip only and then you can try the same in movement. but be careful at first and don't get angry if your horses doesn't understand it right away. some horses are confused at first and you have to teach it in small steps! it's might also help to start teaching it next to a fence at first to make it easier for the horse to find the right answer for the new aid.
you can also teach your horse to come towards a target (whip, pool noodle, etc) with positive reinforcement but it might be a little more difficult and confusing. especially if your horse learnt to move away from the whip.
if you can't imagine what this looks like: here is link for you to a video. it shows how to teach this (travers). it's in german but you can see how she's doing it even if you don't understand her.
th-cam.com/video/HNiJKGknIro/w-d-xo.html
it's very nice to teach this even you don't do work in hand. for example you can use it if you want to mount your horse and it's too far away. it's kinda cool when you can only raise your hand and your horse parks next to you.
@@fiminio9316 That makes so much sense! Thank you 😊
Hello Kai, thanks for your question :) Yes indeed I teach the horse to come towards my whip in that case. Whip cues that are presented low are talking to the inside of the horse, and whip cues that are given high address the outside of the horse. That way you can build a complete frame of aids, just like in riding. The aids for inside rein and inside leg are given low, the aids for outside rein and outside leg are given with a raised whip. Later they are reduced to much more subtle cues and mainly body language. Body language plays an important role in teaching these aids. So the whip is just to make things a bit more clear for the horse, it's not the essential. It's not about stepping towards the whip with the hind end, it's about learning the quarters-in, which is one of the two balance directions of how the horse can move (the other being shoulder-in). So I'm teaching the horse the different ways to shape his spine (versal and traversal). This is just the very beginning of it.
How to teach the quarter-in to a horse can be very individual, but in general I do not like the approach to just teach them a whip cue by tapping on the outside hip and asking them to move away from the pressure. That can lead to many problems and the horse still doesn't understand a quarter-in just because it can move in the hind end. In fact, most quarters-in that I have seen being taught like that take a long time to develop into a correct one and often there goes an amount of tension with that that I do not want in my training. Many horses simply do not know what you want from them when you tap on their outside hip, so you would have to increase the pressure to an amount that it finds uncomfortable or annoying, which I refuse due to ethical reasons. I prefer to teach the quarter-in from the shoulder-in. When the horse can do a shoulder-in, I will bring his shoulder a bit out with the inside rein, while keeping the bended shape. Just like a banana. You bring the one end of the banana a bit out and the other one comes in.
If you are interested in learning the academic groundwork, I also teach online. You can shoot me an email to info@academicartofriding.pl. You can also buy teaching videos by Bent Branderup.
@@academicartofriding-bettin7324 oh, im sorry. i only knew that way of teaching it. my horse didn't get stressed when i taught her this and i didn't have to use a lot of pressure so i assumed that it would be same with other horses. but yeah, i also had the problem of getting a counter shoulder in instead of travers with this method at first and it took a while to correct that.