More VS BS!! Arturia VS v Pro VS Mini v Modwave
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2024
- I know, I know ... I'm obsessed! But as I've been playing with the Prophet VS so much recently and the Pro VS Mini has arrived I'm trying to clear the decks to give the Analog Solutions Maximus a workout! I thought I'd finish things off with a look at the Arturia Prophet VS V as so many of you have asked.
I also realised the Korg Modwave has VS waves installed in the factory banks - so thought I might as well see how they stack up to the waves I took from my original synth.
So please forgive me - I promise that's all for now (until I have another play with the Super 6).
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@StarskyCarr Korg Modwave has aliasing when you use Vintage8 and Vintage12 bit modes, it's a setting in the oscillator mod section.
Cool … I forgot about those. … there’s always something - pinned
That’s great tbh. I really like the character of their cleaned-up waves, but for instance I prefer the steppy NES triangle wave over an “ideal” one so having the option is great. Not super surprised since Opsix has 8 and 12 bit waves as options as well! But it’s nice to know.
Just tried… works a treat.
On the modwave you can also try the 16 steps modifier on the wavetables, or alternatively not use the mod effects at all, but use the pre-effects' Decimator set to Timbre=Bit Depth mode, which also works with samples as well as wavetables. By default the Timbre=Bit Depth preset decimates to 12 bit, but you can set it to anything between 5 and 24 bits via the editor. Actually the pre-effects section is a cornucopia of waveshapers and distortion effects; currently you have to use the editor to fully explore it though. You also mentioned that the modwave doesn't have chorus effects, but of course it does.
Behringer just released a firmware update to the Pro VS Mini
1. Three Oscillator Modes: Discover new sonic horizons with our three distinct oscillator modes: Modern, Modern Bright, and Vintage.
2. Master Tune Control: Precision is at your fingertips. You can now fine-tune your instrument with the new Master Tune control, allowing adjustments from 432Hz to 448Hz.
3. Enhanced Control: We've introduced a new CC #47 to seamlessly manage the Filter Envelope Amount.
4. MIDI Preset Changes support, you can now easily navigate your preset externally
5. Pattern and Program Management: The new parameter enables you to link and unlink pattern and program numbers. to suit your needs.
6. Improved Key #16 Sensitivity: Enhanced sensitivity on Key #16 for greater consistency.
This firmware update is designed to elevate your musical journey with the PRO VS MINI synth. We can't wait for you to explore these exciting features and take your sound to the next level.
Update now via the Synthtirbe app and let your creativity soar!
I've got the Arturia VS. More than close enough for me. Thanks for the comparison vid. Top class.
I was playing around for a while recently with that Arturia VS…I love it. Had a feeling that this sound is something what my ear is familiar with. Arturia has also lots of additional features. Definitely one of my favorite Arturia synths!
My personal favourite is their Korg MS-20 but all of their soft synths are excellent.
with other behringer synths like the model d and neutron they sound good even if not exactly like the thing they are trying to emulate. this VS just misses the mark by quite a bit and also doesnt really sound very good. The arturia once again doing a stellar job at emulation. cant praise them enough on their softsynth recreations.
Worth mentioning the Behringer is dirt cheap and tiny vs the Modwave, as for the Arturia… well I personally don’t like VSTs but I do like multisample instruments so I’d say that very good but a totally different thing IMO
Neutron doesn't try to emulate a different synth.
This series is really helping cure my excitement waiting for my Pro VS pre-order to arrive here in Australia. The muffling and loop points are disappointing.
Do you know if it does MIDI out on USB and if the joystick sends CC? I can at least use it to control my Wavestation SR via my DAW.
Honestly I like the tone of the provs or everything I didn’t think that I’d actually like another product of theirs but this just sold me
All of the VS waves are a multi sample in the Prophet X. They are also in the Tempest and Evolvers as well.
I’ve got the tempest. I should take a look. I’ve never had an X but I know they’re in there. Someone suggested I could’ve just got them via sysex from that but I don’t think it’s possible after speaking with sequential.
@@StarskyCarryou can get them from the Evolver. The software editor allows you to upload and download your own wavetables. If I remember rightly, you can even draw them in with your mouse. Not used the software for some time.
I did this track a while back. All from the Tempest using the VS waves. m.th-cam.com/video/2CN1jbf8jT4/w-d-xo.html
If it’s like the Modwave editor and the Waldorf ones I own you can’t access the factory waves for downloads. Which is a shame.
@@StarskyCarr the Factory waves are duplicted in the user wave slots and can be saved and loaded in the librarian so I don't think that would be a problem.ive not tried, but it makes sense that it should work.
I'll have to have a play at some point. Ive tended to use the "analog" waveshapes most of the time tbh as I'm an old fogey 😁
Behringer said the flattening was intentional to make it sounds warmer, but they kinda ruined what gives the Pro VS its signature sound.
That’s odd tbh. You could always just pull the filter down for a similar effect. But it still doesn’t explain the weird buzzes and things in the oscillators.
I really doubt that was intentional, it reeks of being done in a hurry. The Korg version by contrast is far better as a cleaned-up version, without losing the distinctive character.
@@kaitlyn__LKorg version? Huh?
Thanks man! Comparing big ones to smol ones is always interesting and even funny sometimes. This video was so light hearted. Now i wouldn't mind to watch big Rolands vs smol Rolands!
what the hell is smoll.. speak english.
Here we are in 2023 talking about a 1986 digital synth. Dave Smith and his team did a good job back then, no?
I have the Arturia VS and that is good enough for me. There is one thing that would stop me buying the Behringer and that is the keyboard starting on F. That really rubs right up against my OCD. 😁
Not only that but it’s really confusing when you’re playing 3 at the same time! 😂
Behringer is buzzing 😂 but it has its own charm! ❤
youre the VS synthesys master, i loved this series
Haha… not sure master is the word I’d use!
Did you multisample your vs waves from your vs ? Or did you record , then resynthesize them on serum, to send them into modwave as wavetables?
They sound pretty nice. Kind of 'crunchy' or crisp on the high end, and the aliasing is kind of cool almost like a modulated detuning on some.
Watch my wavetable upload from this week where I go through it step by step
th-cam.com/video/rUlRafOMHvU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=XIT5t24WnmqSXFNr
@@StarskyCarr ah sorry! I see it now thanks
@@AviPFine no worries, it’s why I went into so much detail - so people can follow and do it for themselves and to understand what I did if they want to buy it. There are so many ways to do it that finding one that works for you is a nightmare.
I noticed the Arturia one seems to use a handful of samples, the aliasing phases about just a little bit. I kind of prefer the aliasing in the oneshot sample tbh.
Was comparing my scope vectron to your waves yesterday. They're pretty much bang on. That plug in is well over a decade old too.
That's another great comparison; thanks again. Would you consider testing your samples with the nanobox tangerine, or even expand this series by sampling with the tangerine to check how good it is? Bo made an interesting video on it, I think that would enrich it.
I’ve asked them for a demo unit but heard nothing back.
Sounds like the Pro VS Mini does not have the aliasing of the original Prophet VS but somehow a worse aliasing of its own instead.
genius job on the sampling! I think Behringer should have hired you to do it! Thanks for doing all the work it took for this video.
Much appreciated. Glad you liked it.
And again, the Behringer is aggressively filtering out the aliasing artefacts, which is desirable if you go for a "clean" sound, but it does make it sound different than the Prophet and the Arturia.
Edit: And the Prophet and Arturia really look like they are using just 4-Bits! 😁 I'm probably wrong, but it does look like it on the scope.
More than 4 bits - that’s just 16 values and the sine on wave 32 definitely has more. I’m sure it’ll be 8.
@@StarskyCarr I know. 😉 The sine definitely has more, but the others really look like they have only 16 steps or so. Yeah, I guess, I'm probably wrong, but I wouldn't put it past Sequential that they were using different bit-depths in order to save precious memory. Yeah, memory was scarce back in the days.😁
Thanks for putting these up! 👍
Wonder if the Behringer is running a at different 'sample rate' or the waves have been crushed to fit then all in the Unit. Still love the little monster and tbh never expected much more than we all got for the price if people want a 1.1 Prophet VS then I think they would be happier with the Arturia in those Price ranges imho of course. Great video as always:)
Cheers. I’ve tried the ones I made in the Microfreak and M which both take it down to 256 samples and they still sound like mine, albeit through a different synth. I really wasn’t expecting what I found tbh. I’m sure if they can they’ll improve them in an update. But yeah… it’s not a VS 1.1 … not yet at least. Otherwise it is what it is… which is pretty good for £90!
New firmware update...boom....👍😎👍
The Arturia VS might be my favorite VST - would it be nice to have the hardware/joystick/etc.? For sure. Not at the current prices (and fear of repairs), though. Charlie Clouser gives it some love compared to his real one(s) too.
Need to buy the VS waves to upload to my Groove 3rd Wave to complement the PPG waves.
I’ll have to get my hands on a 3rd wave not tried it yet.
good to see you at least featuring Behringer on the channel... may it continue ;-)
I am of the opinion that the VS is for people who don't have many synths and definitely don't have a wavetable synth. I have the Arturia VS and it's never occured to me to want anything equivalent hardware wise. It's in a different league to behringer's.
Arturia may be better, but you can't really sit on the beach with it! I wonder if Behringer has fixed the faults mentioned in this video in their latest firmware updates.
I love the Arturia Prophet VS
Coloab with the synthpunk would be fire!
what oscilloscope plugin are you using?
Melda productions
Honestly I like the arturia version better
Me too
Where is the Oberheim Eight-Voice vs Cherry Audio Eight Voice review?
Haha… where’s the time 😂😀👍
To be fair, why not compare Arturia and Korg with the original? Equal treatment as Behringer last video. Here we cannot really appreciate since the original is not present, it is Korg and Behringer vs Arturia and your own waveforms. All modern DSP emulations likely using bandlimited approach unlike the original and its Asic. Interesting that Behringer in the end seems to have more 80's digital artifacts than the other 2 in the contrary to what was said yesterday. Honestly all 3 sounds good with their own personal touch. Thumbs up to Behringer as this is the smaller one you can play anywhere, despite all the efforts to make it looks bad, a great little synth.
Couldn’t fit it all on the table with everything, and I’d need more cameras. Plus editing with a 3 or 4 camera set-up plus screen recording and another stereo track is a massive hassle. I can tell you’ve never attempted it 😂
You can watch my last video and put it together.
The artefacts you’re hearing in the Behringer aren’t 80s style low if effects, just weird wrong things. Of course it’s a lo-fi vibe if it’s own as I say, but not a Prophet VS Lofi vibe.
To be fair I could make 20 minute videos of each, I could do the 4 camera thing to bring it all together and I could spend 4 weeks of my life doing it … all for free… yeah I guess I could go and buy a few more cameras and not pay the mortgage that month. What’s wrong with me 😂👍😂
@@StarskyCarr Thanks, Not really an issue imho, if cameras are the issue, you can just do Arturia vs Original Prophet, especially show us the waveforms of both, especially simple ones, Saw Square etc, that would be interesting as well to make the VS series complete for people interested. Not gonna happen I think 😂👍
Haha.. I started this as a video for my new niche little preset channel for Uber geeks and those wanting to hear my presets before purchase, but decided to throw it up here. Have a feeling I’m over VSing at the moment… plus I have the Analogue Solutions Maximus calling me in the studio. 🎹🎹🎚️🎛️ clearing the decks and doing what I can before moving on 👍
Looks like you have chorus on on Behringer all the time
That's what caught my attention when watchibg the previous video. Yesterday I was playing with my friend and I noticed that the chorus stays when changing presets
It’s not on all the time, only if a preset has it. If it stays on when changing presets then the presets won’t sound the same which is what I was showing. They were so obviously not the same that I moved on to look at potential reasons why.
Thanks @@StarskyCarr
I was wrong, don't know why I got the impression after playing with my friends Pro VS mini... I finally *listened* to the video, great comparison! @@StarskyCarr
Just like the guitar pedals, when the clones are digital, they're different 🤔
Prophet VS oscillators are also digital, the comparing is fair enough
Isn't the original VS digital also?
the oscillators yes, filter is analog but the recorded waves were made with filter off@@_mickmccarthy
@@_mickmccarthy Yes, what I really meant was that when Behringer "clones" digital gear, there is often a noticable difference in sound.
Josh Scott (JHS Pedals) plays some examples in his video "What's the Deal with Behringer?". The analog circuits generally sound identical, but the digital ones don't. They don't sound bad, just different.
@@Rompler_Rocco Ah right, that's interesting though! I guess I'm used to thinking of emulations as soft-synths where the digital synths are naturally more likely to sound correct than their analog counterparts
The Pro BS is pretty lifeless, I bet Uli uses them to make music all the time.
Behringer should call it the AmateurVS (Very Shite).
Maybe the Pro BS
✔️👍🏻 nice
Lets ignore the poor anti-aliasing and other things on the Behringer (could be seen as an artistic parti pris, or "let's do better than the synth we want to clone", why not) , how a manufacturer can release a product with bad looping points! It's unbelivable.
From the few notes he plays on it while saying "not good", laughing etc you are able to conclude that they have wrong looping points? quite amazing too 😀
@@music-ic6tg You don't hear them, realy? They're pretty obvious, at 4:23, 6:40, 9:07 or 9:46 for instance. I'm sorry for you.
@@FLH3official No need to be sorry; suggesting theses artifacts are a result of loop points is merely an assumption, as we know internet is full of experts 👍
@@music-ic6tg I'm certainly not an "expert" but after 35 years of looping in various samplers I should know how a bad loop point sounds. I guess you've the same experience in that domain, so you certailny know that a tuk-tuk-tuk when you pitch down is an evidence. You heard it.
But you're maybe right, perhaps the problem is worse, it's not "a bad looping point" and it's all the wave algorithm management which is faulty in this little box.
I've cut tons of loops as well, and it certainly does sound like a bad point. But who knows what weird bugs a $99 synth might have?
Why are people knocking the berhinger? Its a £90 piece of hardware, what it does for the money is pretty amazing
Exactly , like if someone would say when hearing music made with the mini , wow that misses the sidebands of the waves , korgs own hardware ms20 mini didn't sound like their own 1978 synth either.
Omg this Behringer sound so much worse than I anticipated. Its not worth even 99€, your better off with the Arturia Plugin
The encoders and keyboard on it alone made me want to avoid it
love this comp. behringer has no life. agree that korg may have cleaned up waves assuming thats what engineers were trying to achieve. arturia sounds good. i will say i love my modwave. would not trade it for a real vs- i know, please dont judge. :)
I'm sure Dave Smith is chuckling in the afterlife :)
@@ChrisSmout the ghost of dave smith past will come visit me christmas eve and erase all my custom modwave patches.