Cancer Treatments For Oral Cancer In Cats and What Happens If Treatment Fails: VLOG 126
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- Feline oral squamous cell carcinoma (SCC) is the most common cancer in the mouth in cats. This is a challenging cancer to find early and treat. In this VLOG, Dr Sue discusses treatment options including surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy, and why she often focuses on supportive options instead such as pain management and nutritional support.
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My cat Sonny just got diagnosed. It is too big to operate. I am absolutely heart broken and shattered.
Same here. Sending positive thoughts your way.
Me too 🥺
Me too I just can’t do this rn. My cat was diagnosed on her 14th birthday two days ago and yesterday I had to let her go. It was the worst days of my whole life. She didn’t deserve to suffer like that.
In September 2021, our Ebony (16-yo) was diagnosed with SCC. A 1.5cm lesion under her tongue. We decided not to treat the SCC, but to provide palliative care, which included Piroxicam (every other day), Buprenorphine (as needed) and the antibiotic Amoxicillin/Clavulanic. After a few days on the antibiotic, the bad breath was gone, and she was eating normally again. But three months later, the bad breath had returned, and she stopped eating. We thought this was the end and brought her for what could have been her final Vet visit. I asked about trying another round of antibiotics. The doctor agreed, but said there would be no promises, but we could give her the weekend to see if she rebounded. Again, the antibiotic kicked in and she resumed eating and was doing fine. But again, the infection returned. So again, we resumed the antibiotic, but this time I asked to keep her on it with the understanding that at some point it would stop working. She did fine for another 2 months, until finally the SCC won out. She survived for 5.5 months with a good quality of life, before we had to euthanize her. I believe the antibiotic played a huge role in her longevity. When the infection was present, she would not eat because of the pain. Also, keeping the infection at bay prevented her from becoming septic. I think antibiotics are a critical part of palliative care.
My cat was just diagnosed with this SCC yesterday. I have been inconsolable and researching what to do at the same time. Your comment really helped me narrow down how I wanna approach this for my lil guy. Thank you so much. I will be bringing this up with my vet at his consult.
@KiSaty
If you need some further insights, I'm a pet parent dealing with this and there's two FB groups focused entirely on feline squamous cell carcinoma.
We would be glad to welcome you.
I was curious as to why if its cancer antibiotics make a difference? My kitty has also mouth ulcers, and the ad breath goes away with antibiotics and now it's back again. She has felv and fiv and I've been trying everything!!
Thank you so much Dr Sue! My 22 yr old ..'little ancient one', Shadow..is STILL with us 6 months after developing squamous cell cancer in her upper right jaw. She developed an abscess in the same area and had to have her back molar (and the tiny tooth behind it), and her bottom right canine out in the first week of December, a fortnight after she had her last full check-up to see if she would cope with the surgery (being so old)..and an antibiotic shot, to try and settle the abscess.
Her blood work came back better than most kitties less than 1/4 of her age, with no kidney, liver or other issues, so her operation date was set. My vet biopsied the mass (which I had previously been told was most likely squamous cell cancer).. and very sadly, it did come back positive. It absolutely broke my heart when I heard she may only have 1-3 months to live. Especially being so old already. I chose not to put her through any more 'treatment' than she was already going through, due to her age alone.
I was giving her Loxicom after her pain meds from the sugery ran out.. if she seemed off her food, as she's always had a great appetite, but that doesn't seem to cut it lately. i took her back to the vets last week and she was prescribed 'Gabapentin'. Any thoughts on that?? I thought last week I was probably going to have to make the call, as I can't stand the thought of her being in any pain or discomfort.. yet here she is still, purring beside me as i type this. She was my kids childhood pet (1 of). My kids have 'grown & flown', yet she is is still here. She has only lost 200 grams since diagnosis but I noticed that before confirmation at the vets. The appetite stimulator is what we are trying next, and maybe an opiate based pain med..combined with my endless adoration, compassion and undeniable love . She may actually get to make it to her 23rd birthday in November, as long as she isn't suffering.
Much love, respect, and appreciation.. from Melbourne Australia.
My cat too. Did your cat make her 23rd birthday?
This is rare 😔 glad to hear you had more time.
Our 20 year old calico was diagnosed finally due to the vet being able to see the tumor on back of tongue. Said it looked like hamburger and it was eating away the tongue. We had taken her for regular checkups and mentioned a year or more ago that she would start doing these hard swallow sounds and nobody did any looking. She is still damn frisky but for last 3-4 weeks she can't eat regularly. Use of her tongue has gone so she has to chomp the food and drinking water is difficult , she's gone from 4.5 lbs to 3.6 lbs and dehydrated. So we are having home euthanasia tomorrow unfortunately. If anyone detects signs of this, take your vet by the hand / squeeze it very tightly as if you were gonna crush a can, and tell them to do what is needed to find what the problem is. No telling how much pain our cat has dealt with. Good luck out there.
My cat Gabbie has this. Im taking her in to go to sleep tomorrow. I'm going to miss her greatly.
I just found out yesterday from my vet he had scc cancer. He was drooling and thought it was dental and found a big cut on tongue and did biopsy and scheduled to put him to sleep on Monday. I know it's the right thing to do but so sad . I had cancer 2 years ago and he was by my side thru it and was so worry if anything happen to me who would take care of him. Now he has cancer and I can tell he is in pain and having a hard time eating and sleeps all day. I can't stop crying . He is 10 1/2 and adopted him 9 years ago in Jan. I feel your pain and was thinking of rescheduling. So confused right now
Edit Did take him in earlier on Thursday cause he was going down fast and didn't want to wait for Monday. Haven't moved his stuff and the pain is deep and grateful for are 9 years together and he is pain free. This cancer when finally found they are lucky to last a month later. I didn't want him pumped up on pain meds just so I could have a few more months with him. He was ready to go and it was about him not me. When he past in my arms the vet show me his tongue and it was purple swallowed and I cried and no amount of pain meds would of fix it and no guilt on my decision, just pain . We were probably away from each other only 2 days in 9 years. It's rough now and know things will get better .
My fur baby was diagnosed today. Lower jaw was looking more and more deformed. I want to make sure she is living out the next few months happy and comfortable. My hardest decision will be knowing when it's time to let her go. She is 15 and a gentle soul. This video was very informative.
Folks she is telling you the truth; this cancer is no joke. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemie's pet. Our cat was diagnosed ,3 months later it took her.(she did fight to the end)
Thank you for everything you are doing Dr Sue. Praying for those pet parents whose pets are unwell.🇬🇧💕🙏💕🇺🇸
Thank you 😻😻 I appreciate the love and support. xo
This is gonna be a long one but I'll try to be as detailed as possible. It all started when my cat Growler wouldn't eat his dry food. I figured maybe since he's old that his teeth just couldn't handle it anymore. I just switched him to wet food until we can get him in to get looked at. I will admit I should have moved quicker on this. Anyway he was still eating and doing fine. Then I started to notice weight loss and then I noticed he just stopped eating but he would look at his food like he would want to eat. I finally was able to take a good look in there and there was a cyst/abcess/tumor/w.e. growing under his tongue. We took him in asap, and got him set up with meds (antibiotic shot, gabapentin) and then we made an appointment for surgery to remove it. Only about a week or so later he had his appt and the vet called me and told me he thought it was SCC. He said that if they remove the tumor it would probably grow back in 1-3 months. So far post surgery it's almost been a month. Still nothing yet or it's too small to see. I suppose they always come back no matter what and I don't have my hopes up but oh well. So he had his surgery regardless to remove the tumor. I felt I owed it to him to at least try. It cost almost a grand. I figure if it can give us a couple extra months with him and we just keep him comfy then it's worth it. Even just two weeks would have justified it. So far he's fine. Even putting weight back on. He doesn't eat hard food anymore. Just chicken, pate, ice cream, and basically whatever he wants. Water/milk, and I know it's not optimal for cats but I figure if he's going then he may as well just get spoiled with all the stuff he enjoys. Anyway post surgery they gave him another shot and then some anti inflammatory medicine he takes once a day. We also have gabapentin in case we feel he isn't feeling too well. Symptoms from post surgery were about a week of drooling and he barely ate anything. Once the stiches subsided he has been pretty good with his diet. I guess I can only hope for a miracle at this point. His attitude has changed a little bit too. He seems to know that his time is limited. He's been spending more time with us and being less independent. Sometimes he also just sits and looks restless. I wish I could read his mind. I feel his journey on this planet will be soon but I also feel it was a very meaningful one. He's touched the hearts of many people. He changed me for the better, and it will be like losing a son. I hope to find him at that rainbow bridge when my time comes.
I am so sorry for growler. I know how tough it can be and how connected people can be with their animals. 💔💔
This is kinda similar to wut u talm bout she getting skinny doesn’t eat her dry food only wet n has been sleeping on my chest a lot n she been eating my food 😢😅
I’m assuming we can’t do anything bout this damn tumor but I’m making the best out of it by spending the time I can with her Ik she strong but damn tumors
This video is very informative, thanks. I'm devastated, my cat got diagnosed with oral squamous cell carcinoma and she is only 2 years old 😢 She is full of energy (one and only symptom : slight bloody discharge from the mouth but the carcinoma under her tongue is already big). I wish I had insisted on brushing her teeth, I would have spotted the tumor earlier 😢 Can't stop crying.
Thank you, Dr. My boy was diagnosed a couple of weeks ago. He's still eating, thankfully. I've been giving him Prednisolone in pill form, but I'm going to ask my doctor about liquid. I'm so heartbroken, but I'm going to make sure he's comfortable for as long as he has.
Did the liquid Prednisolone help? Thank you
@@barbaraallen512 It did. I lost him about 7 months after he was diagnosed. I miss him so so much!
I am so sad. My cat was diagnosed a wek ago and i'm already grieving. I want him to be comfortable as long as possible
Hi @dr Sue Cancer Vet team. Has this information changed in the 3 years since it was posted? Is there an updated video? My country New Zealand has no pet oncologist. Thank you
My boy was just diagnosed with this. He's 15 yrs old. I love him to much to put him through any more pain 🥲❤️
So very sorry. I'm awaiting biopsy to see if this darkness is upon me too. I will fight for his life.
@Christopher Jones
I hope it's not squamous cell cancer. My boy lost his fight on the 13th of march. He fought hard. I will mourn him until I die . I will pray for your kitty. Please let me know the results of the biopsy. Good luck to you all ❤️
What if you don't trust your vet because of what they have done and can't afford to go anywhere else?
Love your videos and energy!
Thank you!! 😻😻
Could you talk about the diet animals with cancer have to follow? Like limiting carbohydrates, introducing fats...
My mum cat got put down yesterday due to cancer in his mouth jawline, he was to far gone for surgery and we didnt want him to suffer but i wish he was here
I took my cat to the vet on October 20 2020 and while the cat was under anesthesia the vet inspected his mouth. He told me that my cat had a lesion that was most likely cancer. He said he was 99.99% sure so I didn't think a biopsy was necessary. Well fast forward to now and my cat hasn't slowed down 1 bit. He's as active as he's ever been. He eats soft wet food and dry cat food. The abscess on my cats cheek eventually did become swollen it looks like a wound next to his mouth now. Does this still sound like cancer?
Mirtazapine can come in liquid and pill form also.
My cat's Necropsy showed Squamous Cell Carcinoma of her lower jaw. She had been successfully treated for Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy that became Congestive Heart Failure. She lived over 4 years with this heart condition with 2 different Diaretics and 1 Blood Thinner. She could not be treated for the Squamous cell carcinoma because of her heart condition
My 8 year old cat had an inflated eye, was breathing poorly, had high fewer and had fluids coming out of his eye. He was also constantly hiding (something he never does). I had his blood tested and it came back as a high levels of inflammation . They discovered that he had a mouth tumor and the test results came back as a tumor. I gave him different kinds of antiobiotics for a week and on the next visit the tumor completely dissapeared. It's been a month and all the health issues he had (inflated eye, heavy breathing, eye fluids, inflammation, fewer) just dissapeared and the cat is fine. The vets are not even able to explain what just happened.
Did it return?
Wish I had seen this when my cat had an SCC in his tongue 5 years ago. I decided to do radiation and did only one treatment before having to euthanize him. It made his symptoms SO much worse...had I known I wouldn't have done it. In 2.5 weeks I went from having a normal acting cat to one I had to PTS. It was that fast...:(. In hindsight I should have done a feeding tube and given him palliative care.
Thank you, this was extremely informative. I'm currently waiting for the biopsy report for my 15 year old Ragdoll cat, Jinxie. It should arrive next week. Doesn't look promising as I suspect it is SCC. Thank you for your honest opinions about this awful condition. I appreciate it.
I am so sorry you are dealing with this. Some cats will so better but I want you to know the options. I hope you found part one and I have lots of other vlogs that should be helpful. 💜
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@@DrSueCancerVet Thanks again, Dr. Sue. I did watch the video. Jinxie was never in a "smoking" home, never wore a flea collar or any flea meds for that matter, and only received canned tuna maybe once every two years as a special treat because I was concerned with mercury levels in tuna. He's always been an inside cat, and I adopted him at a year old, the day before he was headed to the pound, because the people who purchased him didn't want him anymore. He's been the most beautiful & loving companion for all these years. I hope to make him as comfortable as I can until the time comes. His oral lesion is on the frenulum. Thank you again, your videos are extremely helpful and straight forward.
@@kristycannon7923 not really helpful. Just a lot of rambling and expensive treatments with no cure
@@justincase4925 Actually if you were paying attention, she was saying all the expensive treatments, in the end didn't really help, that making your pet comfortable was the most important thing until it's time to humanely put them to sleep. I had to put my beautiful Ragdoll cat to sleep two weeks ago. It was awful, but I loved him more than to allow him to suffer. Dr. Sue's opinion helped me to decide the clear path for palliative care for Jinxie. I don't regret it. We had some quality time over the past 2.5 months I wouldn't trade for anything.
@Kristy Cannon I am sorry this happened to your kitty, I am in that process to find out what to do. She has a mass in her tongue and I am hopeful that it is not cancer. May I ask what steps or testing did you do? Thank you 🙏
Jinxie's biopsy came back today. He has SCC. My question, can cryotherapy be helpful by using liquid nitrogen to spot freeze the cells in the lesion? Just curious, though not knowledgeable. Thanks, Dr. Sue.
Look up this interview on youtube: "Veterinary Oncologist Trina Hazzah and Pet Cannabis Expert Angela Ardolino"
This oncologist cured this type of cancer on a dog. See the interview (about 3/4 of the video). She did 2mg cbd + 2mg thc and targeted therapy (no chemo) on the particular dog.
Where is part one please
Thanks 🙏
It was listed below in the description but here you go 😻
In case you missed it be sure to check out VLOG 125 where Dr Sue gives you an overview of oral SCC and covers causes, symptoms, and recommended diagnostics.
th-cam.com/video/1J3cQt8ClE/w-d-xo.html
my cat has a tumor on the side of her mouth. I'm not sure what to do. can i give her life gold to give her a better quality of life? i would love an answer as I need help caring for her. thank you
is it recommended to have dental cleaning and if my 15 yr old cat has oral cancer?
It depends on the individual animal. Some may be very close to the end and it would only cause undue stress. It will not make the cancer better, and having it done, won't stop the cause of any possible new cancer/s.. imo anyway.
However, If the cancer is detected early, and your cat is likely to benefit from, specifically DENTAL issues..then it may be helpful in preventing new oral issues. I personally don't believe it will help if he already has SCC though.
The vet didn't do it when biopsying the lesion?? :-\ Mine did, thankfully.
They suspect my cat has this and she is scheduled for biopsy this week. I read an article on PubMed about using cox-2 inhibitors. They gave her Buprenorphine which is an opiod for pain management. Should I be asking to switch to a cox-2 NSAID? Has this been shown to slow down this cancer in any of your patients? Thanks. This was very informative.
I don't think she's paying attention to this channel, sadly.
You should also know that there are newer treatments being tested at the laboratory level, not ready for release to clinics.
1.) Hedgehog Signaling Pathway (Cornell)
2.) IB-DNQ (Illinois)
The latter was seeking cats for clinical studies back in 2017. Maybe it's nearly ready to be launched.
Even if these lives aren't what they were, they deserve life, even if reduced, just as long as they're not suffering (and with meds and management, they're not) and they still are presenting themselves with love and companionship.
What about sublingual cancer treatment?
I wonder if immunotherapy could be helpful, as it is becoming a promising treatment in some cancers for people as an alternative to chemo.???
Dr. Sue - my vet prescribed Onsior for more than 3 days. I had him on a round of 3 pills already back on 1/8 and it didn't seem to do much. So now she wants me to try it again but for a longer period of time and says not to worry about the "max of 3 days" on the label. Is this accurate? Just FYI she is a cat vet but not an oncologist. I am very interested in Palladia and have messaged you at your practice. I am able to pill my cat easily still for now.
Onsior is an nsaid. There have been studies that show nsaids may have some “anti cancer” properties. It’s prescribed off label for this purpose daily. I hope this helps
My 16 year old boy was diagnosed tonight. Four months ago he all his teeth removed with gingivitis..doing great eating and putting on weight. However started to paw frantically at his mouth again and vet *thinks* it is a tumour back of his throat/jaw. He got a steroid/antibiotic injection and I’m hoping it settles him in a few days. Would it be wise to get a biopsy and second opinion.?
Yes. Always a second opinion I've learned the hard way. My first vet says 95% certain, but I've experienced lots of discrepancies through the years on my cats.
My very dear 17 year old passed away after living on anti-inflammatory medication and later Gabapentin for 5 month after diagnosis. I think the surgery is brutal and unnesessary.
Mirataz is a miracle drug!! One dose gives my cat an appetite for 4-5 days. Easy to use as well.
I am a huge fan for my patients too and love that you do not have to pill the cats. Transdermal is an amazing option!
WAY too much going on with surgery and radiation and tubes,my cat is doing well on CBD.
If I may ask, where did you purchase CBD for your cat? Is there a place online where I can order it?
@@FindTheSevenhow are they doing now? Eating, drinking? Does it just help with pain?
Would bloodwork show an infection or cancer?
No
My cat 18 year old boy was diagnosed to the last 3 week. 😢
I’m so sorry 💔. Sending prayers 🤍
@@DrSueCancerVet health carsinoma in the jaw
@@DrSueCancerVet Is there a medicine for that to extend its life?
Miku survived 7.5 months from the day you saw the lesion. Statistics buster again. 😔
Some kitties definitely do better and I think we found hers early when I was doing the CT scan. Sending hugs.
I've been bawling out, we went to check our cat out and the vet said that she has some tumor on her mouth.. and something about her not being able to survive long
please is there any possibility of surviving, is it really impossible? i just can't hand;e knowing any of this
we were given cocoa (our cat).a year ago by a family friend. at that time she came in so healthy, her weight so good. we took her to the vet when we first got her just to make sure everything was alright, and she was PERFECTLY healthy. but now, seeing that in the last few months she's lost a bit of weight and a few of those symptoms been showing, I feel like it must be bad luck that she came to us. I mean the people she was with 7 years, she was so healthy when they didn't even take her to the vet ever.
Other than the symptoms, she's still going around really well, playing, eating (9lbs atm), sleeping well. I just don't get why this had to happen, to be told that there are probably a few months left is the worst thing I could ever hear.
Look up on TH-cam: "Veterinary Oncologist Trina Hazzah and Pet Cannabis Expert Angela Ardolino"
This oncologist cured this type of cancer on a dog. See the interview
@@raibabe19 oh thank you so much for even giving something, sadly a few days we had to take her in. It was impossible to do anything at that point. doctors left us feeling hopeless when we first took her to check it out. It wasn't really big, I only was able to notice because they pointed it out.. but yea they said surgery wouldn't be an option. anyways, thank you.
Check out Ivermectin, it has been used to treat cancers?
So in other words. Do you want to put your cat thru all that for what more than likely will not extend it`s lifespan or quality of life.
Pretty much, my oncologist offered a "quad shot" aggressive radiation treatment 4 grand.
Two doses one day then two the next, but the prognosis is still less than a year, yeah not worth it.😢
Yes it is so heartbreaking to have to euthanize a pet that you love so they do not have to suffer. 💔 I had to do it this last January to my boy of 16 years. I held him as he passed. Still get very upset just thinking about it.
@@jomama7458 It is hard...I just got the news a couple of nights ago. I will be scheduling my girls final appointment next week. I will spoil her this week.