I just finished modding the scissors from my fantasticar multitool to fit into my LM Curl in the file slot. I'm using the Curl as my go to multitool to carry at work as a firefighter and the original scissors are absolutely terrible. This was a a total game changer mod IMO. The Curl is so so good now.
Omg, ok the fact that you did this mod has made me want to try it out on my Gerber center drive but replace the knife blade with them. I've already modded the tool set just need a pair of outside opening scissors so I don't have to destroy the lanyard hole on it.
Great video. I forget the importance of scissors in edc. Keep em coming. This channel is turning out to be the best resource I have found for multitools. Mike
I must say I love that you go back over your footage and kept yourself honest on review. It was interesting seeing your results. I myself generally don't rely on only one set of Scissors for all tasks. For most precision cutting I tend to reach for my Victorinox... and when I am cutting on tough material I reach for a pair of EMT shears from Maratac. I've got a few mini Maratac shears I haven't used yet that I should try out. Haven't tried to actually rate the cutting as precisely as I'm mostly interested if it did or didn't cut.
There are tools then there are tools on a multitool. There are dedicated tools performing as expected. There's also tools in a multitool that we use on the fly due to conveniences. A multitool is a miniature tool box in our pocket. Expected to perform but with limitations unless modified of course. We feel all product tested is quite adequate for its meant purpose and as we all know due to its size, they all have limitations. Great experiment mate.
Damn near every video demonstrating the effectiveness of multi tools scissors …uses paracod as the exclusive measure. Nothing else. As if we’re all walking around cutting parador all day. So I appreciate that your video actually tests on multiple items. Great video
Id like to see how the Gerber dime stacks up vs other small multitools like the Leatherman Micra and the sog snippit. That and a retest after everything gets sharpened, some scissors have good geometry but don't come sharp from the factory.
@@mdeamicis Unfortunately true. I love the Dime and have 3 of them right now, but the scissor is just bad. I wouldn't expect more than a 3-5 on this test.
Nice video, I know how much work goes into these tests. Very glad to see the things I was planning to cut in my scissors comparison are different from yours! 😅
@@maxlvledc sure thing! I have Swiza’s scissors (on my D10) that I’m looking forward to testing because they are wildly different from other folding scissor options
I picked up a knockoff of the raptor for $30 just to see how it compared. The play in the pivot points were pretty much the same, the knockoff felt like a factory error but still gets the job done the only real difference for me was price and packaging. Considering how often things get "lost" in the field the knockoff works for me.
I would definitely like to see you re-test the Raptor after tightening the pivot. If you are able to maybe even contact Leatherman and ask if looseness is intended and if they would do anything about it if sent in for service. If you get around to retesting the Victorinox from the first video you could do both together and have a "second chances" special episode.
Can you please test the 10cm pocket scissors from Victorinox? The one with the precision tip! I think about buying one of these for my toolkit. Would be great if you could put it to the test! Cheers from Germany!
The James Brand Ellis Multi-Functional Folding Knife 2.6" Sandvik 12C27 scissors use the lock back spring and a large thumb pad so it can cut zip ties for $120
I fail to see how that has ANYTHING to do with cutting zipties. Use a plier or snip. Using a scissor on zip ties is very likely to create play at the pivot.
@@maxlvledc The large pad reduces the thumb PSI. I respectfully submit that zip ties are commonly encountered in the field and a blade is not an option. I use to twist them off with pliers but lighted my EDC to JBE and countycomm T driver. Thanks for your research, I do enjoy your videos.
@@Rob_Logan On a multool, you have a knife, which will slice a zip tie way better than tine scissors. And anyone who has to cut ties a lot cas nips in their tool bags. Ask me how I know.
I carried a victorinox for 20 years, and I’ll be honest, I absolutely hated the scissors on it. I don’t know if I got a defective product or what, but it never worked that well for me. Im not a fan of the spring mechanism. About 4 or 5 years ago, my wife got me a Leatherman Free P2 and I love it. One of the reasons I like it so much is the scissors work so much better for me. I haven’t had any trouble with them. Even cut through some 2-3 lbs leather I needed to get through quickly. (I wouldn’t use it to cut up a side or anything but it worked in a pinch). Thanks for the video!
Well, a test of brand-new scissors is one thing, but how they fare after a longer time of use is the dimension an true practic user would be interested the most, wouldn't he? I've observed that the Chinese scissors are pretty good out of the box, but after some use, particularly on harder material, they get dull. Insofar the Victorinox stuff fares way better, but dedicated scissors tend to dominate the field there.
I had the same problem with my oxide black surge. The pivot seems loose and the scissor separates and bends thread and line when trying to cut. If i put pressure on the thumb ramp outward to maintain blade contact then it works better, but it is a total disappointment and is the reason i have been looking for a solid set of scissors. The surge scissors were such a let down, and the leatherman flat bits such a compromise that i have been scouring the internet trying to find a tshank blade handle that can fit in the kit. Its the only surge tool that can't be substituted. Right now i use the gingher 5" craft scissors, but i am not a reviewer and haven't had a need to cut anything tougher than 550. It does very well. Looks like your electrician sheers only without the wire strippers etc.
The old Surge scissors (with the plastic handle extension) works better than the new ones. The knock-off on the Fantasticar seems to be fairly similar to the old ones.
I feel like this speaks to Leatherman's uneven QC, because I have a new Wave that can do all that stuff (that I have access to) easily, but I have no trouble believing that if I bought another, it would do just like your curl. I wonder how the lot of them would do with fresh edges.
i think a rough grit sharpen on the wingman would be a very interesting video .do u still have the hanwei gardening shear multi tool? also the spirit scissors would be interesting as i wonder if they r better than the 58mm. vic needs to make a larger scissor model for the 111mm. one that has no second tool. currently they use 91mm and have a small phillips in the same layer.
You asked for ideas of where to go from here. What about... 1. EDC from different eras in history. Like, what do you remember your dad or grandpa carrying? 2. Edc from different cultures. Do other countries know the value of carrying something we might never have considered?
Great video and presentation. This help me to form opinion about scissors designs. Higher score relates to : - blade thickness to length ratio (assuming edge’s finish grind angle are equal) - steeper outside angle (e.g. like #19/19+ as opposed to #17/18) - slight curved or toe in blades (small ones are linear) - (not on current samples) : inside walls of blades formed / grind concave. The next and most important design rule is each cutting edge must be overlapping by 60~99% of blade width in the closed position. If we are limited to 10% or less on edge-edge overlapping, the next option is an offset hinge. Offset by 60~99% (of the blade width) above the overlapping.
Multiforce scissors seem like a curious omission considering you had been singing their praises in your videos on them. Nevertheless, insightful video; appreciate your diligence 🙏🏼
@@maxlvledc Totally understand. I'm just fixated on them atm bc I'm about to attempt your Multiforce knife build w/ the Swiss Card scissor swap, and use the Multiforce scissors in my Quiet Carry Q3. That said, your supererogative testing isn't lost on me, and I'm grateful to be able to benefit from your efforts. Looking forward to your future coverage.
This experiment sort of highlights the conundrum for those of us that expect things to perform at their intended function, as well as to be versatile enough to get things done beyond their intended design. I mean, let's face it. A multitool is a jack of all trades right? So can it be said that to expect mastery from one is kind of unreasonable? This is especially obvious when were talking about the scissors. It all comes down to the hinge, and the blades. Sturdy and robust scissors can plow through denser, thicker and harder materials but will sort of fold or tear more delicate and flimsy or thin materials. Scissors that perform well at precision or cleanly cutting very thin and flimsy materials are usually delicate themselves because the function dictates the design. Some of these designs have solved the problem and accel at cutting a wide variety of materials. It shows that a lot of effort went into the designs, because the completion is fierce and demanding. But at the end of the day, I just don't have faith in and multitool scissors standing up to regular use because the hinge will just loosen up more and more and the cutting will get worse and worse. That's why, for me at least, a multitool is sort of a last line of defense. You keep one in your pack or glove box for the times that it might save your ass. But you will never really do serious work with them unless you are truing to punish yourself or prove the point that it can be done. And anything can be done if you are motivated and smart enough. So what are we to do? Done the cargo pockets and load them down with scissors, and pillars, and ratchets, n sockets, n screwdrivers, n all the other tools these geniuses have managed to cram into something the size of a snickers? Nah. I'll still EDC a surge to handle most of the things that come up day to day without having to stop and go find tools. But I absolutely believe in 2nd and 3rd tier kits for short and long trips away from home. Keep om doing what you do. You're good at it.
Use a higher grit sandpaper cut it three or four times and retry it. I did it with a pair of Gerber multi tool scissors and it helped. Who knows it may work if not then send it back for a warranty replacement or repair.
Yeah I forgot about that one. Never cut wax paper or craft paper (with the wax on the back) the scissors get all slick. Also wiping them down with alcohol helps clean them up.
You should check out the Xiaomi HUOHOU 10 in 1 Folding multitool. They are scissors based tool (and may be the same scissors on the nextool mini...but I am not 100% sure). They are the best edc scissors I have ever used and would love to see your view of them.
Amazing video as always man, but more so, recently! Gotta say, I EDC the surge and perhaps it has never dissappinted me, I cut everything with total ease, however for most demanding tasks where I know I will be using something more robust, I bring my Cas hanwei multitool shears, which are extreme yet not that huge. I'm also edc-ing the SOG snippet to prepare myself for switching the surge for the gerber dual force, and those scissors are extremely capable for their size, IMO a complete must for people who want capable yet small scissors in their edc, however the fiskars scissors of the last video got me wondering... Greetings from Mexico.
200% agree on wingman they are arrg! The leatherman surge black is inferior to the silver for some reason. I can cut stuff on the silver surge that the black won't even attempt and I think it's something to do with the black oxide coating & yes, I see the flex on mine that the silver surge doesn't have. On the raptor, have you tighten up the screws? My raptor does much better than yours but I'm forever tightening them which is my main complaint. I don't like your precision test because most scissors will fail this but can't think of some else you could try. But overall, your points are spot on.
@@maxlvledc I didn't consider that, so I've changed my mind on your precision test. Normally you have a specialised tool to pick stitches. And on top of that you shouldn't really expect small scissors to cut some of the straps you have. But some of them did last week did. Good testing.
I watched this whole damn video to see one pair of scissors and while they were in the intro they were not tested at all. I hate it when creators do that kind of stupid crap. Thanks for anoying the shit out of me, you rock.
Always was happy with my victorinox spirit scissors until I lost it last year. Can’t justify buying a new one now but I think it’d hold it’s own in the gauntlet.
Interesting stuff. If you've got any Gerber multitools it'd be interesting to see how the supposedly Fiskars-produced scissors on those do. Also LM Micra, Squirt PS4, Style CS or PS maybe. Gerber Dime and Sog Snippet might also be interesting in comparison.
Great test. I too came to the conclusion that the smooth scissors on the regular Victorinox knives were way better than the serrated ones on the Evolution (ex Wenger) models.
Well, according to my experience, it depends. I have lots of VIC models and also quite a few of the original Wengers and then also Wenger-style modern Victorinox. Generally, I'd agree, but there are materials where the Wenger style type is better. "Way better" is a bit too much, i'd say. Admittedly, the Wengers are more difficult to sharpen, but they last longer before that becomes necessary.
Love your vids, especially the mods. Would the fantasticar scissors (perhaps with some grinding) work as a replacement for the wave + serrated blade? Next vid idea?!
Related question- would the fantasticar awl work as a replacement for the wave + scissors? Then we can grind our wave + large flathead into a chisel. Have we found our parts donator to modding our wave + without having to cannibalize more expensive leathermans? That would be great to know
probs to u for the testing of these. IMO all reviews should have testing and without it its hard 2 grasp the true capability of a product. keep the hard work up and congrats on recently hitting 10k subs.
Hi my beloved Maxlvledc, i stopped the video at 04:52. You gave the Curl 1 point for the ribbon. It pinched and clamped. When you tested the evo-grip you pressed "total fail instantly. I myself own a pretty collection of leathermans and vics myself and on top i am not in one team or on one side. My personal EDC is the Wave+. This is not to hate arround or anything. You ll receive 1 like anyways. But my friend you went a bit harsh on the Vic evo-grip. Edit: I ll watch on now :)
It looks/hears to me that the raptor should me thightend. Way to much play? I have one and that has never happend, thightend the screw many times. Love the video!
The surge scissors are ok, but the swisstool x ones are a lot better. Weird that you included such exotic victorinox ones and not the standard 91mm, wich are the best in the world for multitools.
Good afternoon! I'm using the Google translator, I just watched this video, I thought it was interesting for you to show the mult tool Letherman scissors, I'm trying to adapt, replace, the Letherman Surg scissors, I want to install the Raptor Scissors, imagine the Raptor and the Surge in the same Mult Tool, it would be spectacular, hugs from Brazil
Been carrying the Wingman for ages at work (I can only carry a locking blade tool with good reason in Europe, so after work I have to take it off my person), As an IT proffesional I have to cut tie wraps a lot. I can tell you the Wingman sucks at doing it. It takes to much effort to get the scissors out and they can cut those tie wraps but just picking them with the plyers and twisting is way easier and faster... I switched to a Victorinox Compact that never leaves my person (has no locking blade so it's OK for Europe) the scissors on that go through tie wraps way easier and I can carry it whereever I go:) I think the Ruike has a locking blade doesn't it?
Who the hell cuts things that are circular out on the end of the blades of scissors? I think some of that was a tad unfair because they would have cut if put in even the middle of the blades
Not impressed by the scissors in my surge either, i have to push down and slightly to the side so the blades stick closer together when cutting. As for the paracord, i think you were cutting it a bit to close to the tip, compared to the other scissors, might be that.
There is a diffrece between quality small tools that could be in leatherman (charge and surge) and what is in it. e.g knipex 08 22 145 jaws wera, wiha etc bits screwdriver ergonomics and so on For me lm is kindda necessary evil and for $100+ it should not be one.
Scissors are the toughest tool to get right. Besides Victorinox (not the wenger version you have in this video) there's not a lot of brand that has really good scissors ! Sadly !
As for the surge scissors, I bought my tool like 7 years ago and I don't remember them bending like that. They do tend to push out stuff sometimes like your wingman did tho
15:43 You are using it wrong. Cutting small, round objects works best with most pair of scissors if you cut it as near as possible to the "screw". This also works often with scissors, where the material is "sliding" through the blades. The reason behind is, that not so good scissors have to much "play" between the blades if they are under a slight force. And the law of lever comes in play: The further you cut away from the "screw" the higher the force pushing the blades aside.
Yup. For scissors to maintain that "sheer" profile to the end of the blades, the pivot must be thick enough to overcome the leverage. The longer the blades, the thicker the pivot must be and the more taper the profile has to be. That is the problem that multitool makers are trying to defeat. If you want to pack a lot of tools in the handles, they got ta be skinny.
@@maxlvledc been using the micra for 10 years and stand by its scissors for scale. The Nextool astoumds me though, for machining tolerance at the price point and the scissors on that are the best I have seen in a multitool
I just finished modding the scissors from my fantasticar multitool to fit into my LM Curl in the file slot. I'm using the Curl as my go to multitool to carry at work as a firefighter and the original scissors are absolutely terrible. This was a a total game changer mod IMO. The Curl is so so good now.
Omg, ok the fact that you did this mod has made me want to try it out on my Gerber center drive but replace the knife blade with them. I've already modded the tool set just need a pair of outside opening scissors so I don't have to destroy the lanyard hole on it.
Great video. I forget the importance of scissors in edc. Keep em coming. This channel is turning out to be the best resource I have found for multitools.
Mike
I must say I love that you go back over your footage and kept yourself honest on review. It was interesting seeing your results.
I myself generally don't rely on only one set of Scissors for all tasks. For most precision cutting I tend to reach for my Victorinox... and when I am cutting on tough material I reach for a pair of EMT shears from Maratac. I've got a few mini Maratac shears I haven't used yet that I should try out. Haven't tried to actually rate the cutting as precisely as I'm mostly interested if it did or didn't cut.
There are tools then there are tools on a multitool. There are dedicated tools performing as expected. There's also tools in a multitool that we use on the fly due to conveniences. A multitool is a miniature tool box in our pocket. Expected to perform but with limitations unless modified of course. We feel all product tested is quite adequate for its meant purpose and as we all know due to its size, they all have limitations. Great experiment mate.
Damn near every video demonstrating the effectiveness of multi tools scissors …uses paracod as the exclusive measure. Nothing else. As if we’re all walking around cutting parador all day. So I appreciate that your video actually tests on multiple items. Great video
What irks me is cutting cardboard and paper...the first makes no sense and the second...anything can fing cut paper.
As if we all don't just whip out a knife for paracord.
Id like to see how the Gerber dime stacks up vs other small multitools like the Leatherman Micra and the sog snippit. That and a retest after everything gets sharpened, some scissors have good geometry but don't come sharp from the factory.
Those scissors aint cutting much. Having owned a dime from way back when they were new.
@@mdeamicis Unfortunately true. I love the Dime and have 3 of them right now, but the scissor is just bad. I wouldn't expect more than a 3-5 on this test.
Nice video, I know how much work goes into these tests. Very glad to see the things I was planning to cut in my scissors comparison are different from yours! 😅
Oh??? Plz tag me when you do! Very interested to see.
@@maxlvledc sure thing! I have Swiza’s scissors (on my D10) that I’m looking forward to testing because they are wildly different from other folding scissor options
I picked up a knockoff of the raptor for $30 just to see how it compared. The play in the pivot points were pretty much the same, the knockoff felt like a factory error but still gets the job done the only real difference for me was price and packaging.
Considering how often things get "lost" in the field the knockoff works for me.
Can it cut through a penny though?
Surely this is the end of the madness that is this extremely exhaustive scissor test.
Well done.
Lols, probably a few more videos before I switch gears...otherwise ppl will beg me to go back over and over lol
I am very excited I have the wave myself and am curious to see how the scissors compare but I already know this is going to be a great video
I wonder if the surge scissors need the pivot tightened up?
I've heard from a few ppl now that BO scissors are worse than the regular ones!
I would definitely like to see you re-test the Raptor after tightening the pivot. If you are able to maybe even contact Leatherman and ask if looseness is intended and if they would do anything about it if sent in for service. If you get around to retesting the Victorinox from the first video you could do both together and have a "second chances" special episode.
I'd be really interested in seeing how the scissors on the Roxon Phantom or Storm perform. The design always intrigued me.
I'll do the nextool, they are very similar
I own them; impressive at first, but don't tackle any tough material with them! The steel's way too soft.
Can you please test the 10cm pocket scissors from Victorinox? The one with the precision tip! I think about buying one of these for my toolkit. Would be great if you could put it to the test!
Cheers from Germany!
have you covered and of the ROXON tools with scissors? I have a roxon scissors knife ordered and wonder how it stacks up to these you tested
That Ruike looks awesome
The James Brand Ellis Multi-Functional Folding Knife 2.6" Sandvik 12C27 scissors use the lock back spring and a large thumb pad so it can cut zip ties for $120
I fail to see how that has ANYTHING to do with cutting zipties. Use a plier or snip. Using a scissor on zip ties is very likely to create play at the pivot.
@@maxlvledc The large pad reduces the thumb PSI. I respectfully submit that zip ties are commonly encountered in the field and a blade is not an option. I use to twist them off with pliers but lighted my EDC to JBE and countycomm T driver. Thanks for your research, I do enjoy your videos.
@@Rob_Logan On a multool, you have a knife, which will slice a zip tie way better than tine scissors. And anyone who has to cut ties a lot cas nips in their tool bags. Ask me how I know.
Thanks for your work. How about "Böker plus Atlas multi"?
I'm curious to see how the vamplier/engineer shears would stack up to the competition, especially to the knipex ones.
I carried a victorinox for 20 years, and I’ll be honest, I absolutely hated the scissors on it. I don’t know if I got a defective product or what, but it never worked that well for me. Im not a fan of the spring mechanism. About 4 or 5 years ago, my wife got me a Leatherman Free P2 and I love it. One of the reasons I like it so much is the scissors work so much better for me. I haven’t had any trouble with them. Even cut through some 2-3 lbs leather I needed to get through quickly. (I wouldn’t use it to cut up a side or anything but it worked in a pinch).
Thanks for the video!
yea, definitely a defective one. I'd put the 91mm vic over basically everything .
Well, a test of brand-new scissors is one thing, but how they fare after a longer time of use is the dimension an true practic user would be interested the most, wouldn't he? I've observed that the Chinese scissors are pretty good out of the box, but after some use, particularly on harder material, they get dull. Insofar the Victorinox stuff fares way better, but dedicated scissors tend to dominate the field there.
I had the same problem with my oxide black surge. The pivot seems loose and the scissor separates and bends thread and line when trying to cut. If i put pressure on the thumb ramp outward to maintain blade contact then it works better, but it is a total disappointment and is the reason i have been looking for a solid set of scissors. The surge scissors were such a let down, and the leatherman flat bits such a compromise that i have been scouring the internet trying to find a tshank blade handle that can fit in the kit. Its the only surge tool that can't be substituted. Right now i use the gingher 5" craft scissors, but i am not a reviewer and haven't had a need to cut anything tougher than 550. It does very well. Looks like your electrician sheers only without the wire strippers etc.
The old Surge scissors (with the plastic handle extension) works better than the new ones. The knock-off on the Fantasticar seems to be fairly similar to the old ones.
I feel like this speaks to Leatherman's uneven QC, because I have a new Wave that can do all that stuff (that I have access to) easily, but I have no trouble believing that if I bought another, it would do just like your curl. I wonder how the lot of them would do with fresh edges.
My System: EDC- silver SURGE+Swisscard lite, Wife- N.O.S. MICRA polycarbonate handle. Home- KAI 7280 11". Tool bag- KLINE electrician+FISKARS gold blade 9 Inch Serrated Titanium Nitride Shop Shears. VERY HAPPY
Would like to see a test of the Roxon Phantom or Storm full size scissor
i think a rough grit sharpen on the wingman would be a very interesting video .do u still have the hanwei gardening shear multi tool? also the spirit scissors would be interesting as i wonder if they r better than the 58mm. vic needs to make a larger scissor model for the 111mm. one that has no second tool. currently they use 91mm and have a small phillips in the same layer.
I can tell you right now the spirit will be worse than the 58 100%
You asked for ideas of where to go from here. What about...
1. EDC from different eras in history. Like, what do you remember your dad or grandpa carrying?
2. Edc from different cultures. Do other countries know the value of carrying something we might never have considered?
Great ideas!
@Maxlvledc would you be able to give a review to the SOG PowerAccess Deluxe? I'm kind of stuck on trying to get the SOG or the Leatherman Signal
The power access deluxe was so bad..I didn't even make a review of it before I traded it
Great video and presentation.
This help me to form opinion about scissors designs.
Higher score relates to :
- blade thickness to length ratio (assuming edge’s finish grind angle are equal)
- steeper outside angle (e.g. like #19/19+ as opposed to #17/18)
- slight curved or toe in blades (small ones are linear)
- (not on current samples) : inside walls of blades formed / grind concave.
The next and most important design rule is each cutting edge must be overlapping by 60~99% of blade width in the closed position.
If we are limited to 10% or less on edge-edge overlapping, the next option is an offset hinge. Offset by 60~99% (of the blade width) above the overlapping.
Multiforce scissors seem like a curious omission considering you had been singing their praises in your videos on them. Nevertheless, insightful video; appreciate your diligence 🙏🏼
These videos get ridiculously long and it's a LOT of work lol. Don't worry I will definitely get to it
@@maxlvledc Totally understand. I'm just fixated on them atm bc I'm about to attempt your Multiforce knife build w/ the Swiss Card scissor swap, and use the Multiforce scissors in my Quiet Carry Q3. That said, your supererogative testing isn't lost on me, and I'm grateful to be able to benefit from your efforts. Looking forward to your future coverage.
This experiment sort of highlights the conundrum for those of us that expect things to perform at their intended function, as well as to be versatile enough to get things done beyond their intended design. I mean, let's face it. A multitool is a jack of all trades right? So can it be said that to expect mastery from one is kind of unreasonable? This is especially obvious when were talking about the scissors. It all comes down to the hinge, and the blades. Sturdy and robust scissors can plow through denser, thicker and harder materials but will sort of fold or tear more delicate and flimsy or thin materials. Scissors that perform well at precision or cleanly cutting very thin and flimsy materials are usually delicate themselves because the function dictates the design.
Some of these designs have solved the problem and accel at cutting a wide variety of materials. It shows that a lot of effort went into the designs, because the completion is fierce and demanding. But at the end of the day, I just don't have faith in and multitool scissors standing up to regular use because the hinge will just loosen up more and more and the cutting will get worse and worse.
That's why, for me at least, a multitool is sort of a last line of defense. You keep one in your pack or glove box for the times that it might save your ass. But you will never really do serious work with them unless you are truing to punish yourself or prove the point that it can be done. And anything can be done if you are motivated and smart enough.
So what are we to do? Done the cargo pockets and load them down with scissors, and pillars, and ratchets, n sockets, n screwdrivers, n all the other tools these geniuses have managed to cram into something the size of a snickers? Nah. I'll still EDC a surge to handle most of the things that come up day to day without having to stop and go find tools. But I absolutely believe in 2nd and 3rd tier kits for short and long trips away from home.
Keep om doing what you do. You're good at it.
100% agree with this
nextool mini or blacknight or pro would be good to see against the micra imo.
Use a higher grit sandpaper cut it three or four times and retry it. I did it with a pair of Gerber multi tool scissors and it helped. Who knows it may work if not then send it back for a warranty replacement or repair.
Apparently, it work also with aluminium paper
Yeah I forgot about that one. Never cut wax paper or craft paper (with the wax on the back) the scissors get all slick. Also wiping them down with alcohol helps clean them up.
Can you do Engineer PH-55 scissors?
It's definitely on my list but atm I need to stick with the ones I have. As ppl use my links I can afford more of them.
You should check out the Xiaomi HUOHOU 10 in 1 Folding multitool.
They are scissors based tool (and may be the same scissors on the nextool mini...but I am not 100% sure).
They are the best edc scissors I have ever used and would love to see your view of them.
Amazing video as always man, but more so, recently!
Gotta say, I EDC the surge and perhaps it has never dissappinted me, I cut everything with total ease, however for most demanding tasks where I know I will be using something more robust, I bring my Cas hanwei multitool shears, which are extreme yet not that huge.
I'm also edc-ing the SOG snippet to prepare myself for switching the surge for the gerber dual force, and those scissors are extremely capable for their size, IMO a complete must for people who want capable yet small scissors in their edc, however the fiskars scissors of the last video got me wondering...
Greetings from Mexico.
Outu Multitool for the win!
Hello, I would like to see a Engineer PH-55 scissor test if it is possible. Thank you in advance. 🙏
200% agree on wingman they are arrg! The leatherman surge black is inferior to the silver for some reason. I can cut stuff on the silver surge that the black won't even attempt and I think it's something to do with the black oxide coating & yes, I see the flex on mine that the silver surge doesn't have. On the raptor, have you tighten up the screws? My raptor does much better than yours but I'm forever tightening them which is my main complaint. I don't like your precision test because most scissors will fail this but can't think of some else you could try. But overall, your points are spot on.
It's not surprising that most can't do the Percision test..makes the one that can stand out more. All the Vics could from last week.
@@maxlvledc I didn't consider that, so I've changed my mind on your precision test. Normally you have a specialised tool to pick stitches. And on top of that you shouldn't really expect small scissors to cut some of the straps you have. But some of them did last week did. Good testing.
How about the raptor response ?
I can't justify the cost just to try it.
@@maxlvledc ok.
I would like to see Xshears and KAI scissors please
quick suggestion:
Try to compare the "nextool flagship pro" scissors next
Great work and Video! 👍
Best scissors for nose hair trimming! Seriously!
Will the pen style scissors with the retractable handles be in a part 3? Excellent content as always!
I think so! Round up of independent scissors I currently have
I've been looking for an idea how to replace the serrated knife blade of Leatherman Wave with good big scissors for a long time. Do you have any idea?
Victorinox 91mm
@@maxlvledc I would like to modify the Leatherman Wave
@@mailanhenry I know, what I'm saying is you can drill the hole 7/32" and it will work in that spot. Similar thickness
Good👍 information very useful!! How🤔❓️about ROXON...
Don't have one..but would love to test
I watched this whole damn video to see one pair of scissors and while they were in the intro they were not tested at all. I hate it when creators do that kind of stupid crap. Thanks for anoying the shit out of me, you rock.
which one?
I already found your other videos on it but thanks for the response.
Always was happy with my victorinox spirit scissors until I lost it last year. Can’t justify buying a new one now but I think it’d hold it’s own in the gauntlet.
Interesting stuff. If you've got any Gerber multitools it'd be interesting to see how the supposedly Fiskars-produced scissors on those do. Also LM Micra, Squirt PS4, Style CS or PS maybe. Gerber Dime and Sog Snippet might also be interesting in comparison.
Great test. I too came to the conclusion that the smooth scissors on the regular Victorinox knives were way better than the serrated ones on the Evolution (ex Wenger) models.
Yep!
Well, according to my experience, it depends. I have lots of VIC models and also quite a few of the original Wengers and then also Wenger-style modern Victorinox. Generally, I'd agree, but there are materials where the Wenger style type is better. "Way better" is a bit too much, i'd say. Admittedly, the Wengers are more difficult to sharpen, but they last longer before that becomes necessary.
Leatherman Micra vs Style CS vs Gerber Splice vs Stake-out, please!
Love your vids, especially the mods. Would the fantasticar scissors (perhaps with some grinding) work as a replacement for the wave + serrated blade? Next vid idea?!
Related question- would the fantasticar awl work as a replacement for the wave + scissors? Then we can grind our wave + large flathead into a chisel. Have we found our parts donator to modding our wave + without having to cannibalize more expensive leathermans? That would be great to know
It will work in the wave....but sadly not for serrated without a lot of work because it's designed to fit on the other side (file/saw slot)
Surprised you didn’t include Multiforce.
I only had space for 8 and I wanted to showcase the Leatherman scissors primarily in this one.
probs to u for the testing of these. IMO all reviews should have testing and without it its hard 2 grasp the true capability of a product. keep the hard work up and congrats on recently hitting 10k subs.
so is the GOAT TOOLS scissor a 19?
Maybe..it's possible..probably an 18
Hi my beloved Maxlvledc,
i stopped the video at 04:52. You gave the Curl 1 point for the ribbon. It pinched and clamped. When you tested the evo-grip you pressed "total fail instantly. I myself own a pretty collection of leathermans and vics myself and on top i am not in one team or on one side. My personal EDC is the Wave+. This is not to hate arround or anything. You ll receive 1 like anyways. But my friend you went a bit harsh on the Vic evo-grip.
Edit: I ll watch on now :)
I do think the early reviews got punished a little as I've developed a sense of how things cut. It's not a perfect science sadly
@@maxlvledc It hasnt to be. Love your contend anyways. Thanks you for answering.
It looks/hears to me that the raptor should me thightend. Way to much play? I have one and that has never happend, thightend the screw many times. Love the video!
I will possibly do that and test again.
My silver SURGE scissors rock -totally different animal than what I saw in your test.
I need to test this...your the fourth person to say this.
The surge scissors are ok, but the swisstool x ones are a lot better. Weird that you included such exotic victorinox ones and not the standard 91mm, wich are the best in the world for multitools.
It was in the last video, along with the 58mm and swisscard scissor. I mention it got a 15+ in last vid
@@maxlvledc oh ok must have missed that, sorry:)
Good afternoon! I'm using the Google translator, I just watched this video, I thought it was interesting for you to show the mult tool Letherman scissors, I'm trying to adapt, replace, the Letherman Surg scissors, I want to install the Raptor Scissors, imagine the Raptor and the Surge in the same Mult Tool, it would be spectacular, hugs from Brazil
I've seen this with xiled on IG doing it with a mut
Thank really well though out and executed test. Now could you please remind us what was the topic of your PhD? 😁✌️
Hahaha
Dude this song is intense
Haha, I need to make my own soundtrack
Been carrying the Wingman for ages at work (I can only carry a locking blade tool with good reason in Europe, so after work I have to take it off my person), As an IT proffesional I have to cut tie wraps a lot. I can tell you the Wingman sucks at doing it. It takes to much effort to get the scissors out and they can cut those tie wraps but just picking them with the plyers and twisting is way easier and faster...
I switched to a Victorinox Compact that never leaves my person (has no locking blade so it's OK for Europe) the scissors on that go through tie wraps way easier and I can carry it whereever I go:)
I think the Ruike has a locking blade doesn't it?
Actually this variant doesn't..it's the L version though so go with the medium for length reasons on the blade
James brand ellis scissors
I can't bring myself to spend the kind of money they are asking for that.
@@maxlvledc lol no worries! Leatherman micra?
How about the scissors on the buck multitool..forget the name offhand
Who the hell cuts things that are circular out on the end of the blades of scissors? I think some of that was a tad unfair because they would have cut if put in even the middle of the blades
Some can't because they move the fibers out at an angle
Yes the ultimate showdown. 👍🏼🙂 My money is on the sak.
Not impressed by the scissors in my surge either, i have to push down and slightly to the side so the blades stick closer together when cutting.
As for the paracord, i think you were cutting it a bit to close to the tip, compared to the other scissors, might be that.
I Try to cut it in both places..1 point for cutting close to the pivot, 1 point for around the tip
There is a diffrece between quality small tools that could be in leatherman (charge and surge) and what is in it.
e.g
knipex 08 22 145 jaws
wera, wiha etc bits
screwdriver ergonomics
and so on
For me lm is kindda necessary evil and for $100+ it should not be one.
Scissors are the toughest tool to get right. Besides Victorinox (not the wenger version you have in this video) there's not a lot of brand that has really good scissors ! Sadly !
The ruike really impressed me
@@maxlvledc yeah they're actually good ! i had one but sold it ! It's a well built multitool !!
As for the surge scissors, I bought my tool like 7 years ago and I don't remember them bending like that. They do tend to push out stuff sometimes like your wingman did tho
It would have been great to test the real victorinox scissors in addition of the evogrip version
They were in the last video
@@maxlvledc Oh, my bad, time to go see this video then !
What is that button saying? “Cannot feck?!?” I really have no idea.
Sog snippit
Sog baton
Sog crosscut
Gerber splice
Only the snippet and splice are something I can attain atm..the snippet will rock this test
The wingman is a perfect example why Leatherman looses sales. It was my first "expensive" multitool and did not encourage me to go back.
"loses"
I know this video is a year old by now but what is your button saying? total fuh?
Cool
No GOAT Tools scissors in this test?
this way way predated the GOAT, but the GOAT performed very very well.
15:43 You are using it wrong. Cutting small, round objects works best with most pair of scissors if you cut it as near as possible to the "screw". This also works often with scissors, where the material is "sliding" through the blades.
The reason behind is, that not so good scissors have to much "play" between the blades if they are under a slight force. And the law of lever comes in play: The further you cut away from the "screw" the higher the force pushing the blades aside.
Yup. For scissors to maintain that "sheer" profile to the end of the blades, the pivot must be thick enough to overcome the leverage. The longer the blades, the thicker the pivot must be and the more taper the profile has to be. That is the problem that multitool makers are trying to defeat. If you want to pack a lot of tools in the handles, they got ta be skinny.
Try the tests again but try to use them to cut a big wad of hair. My wife cuts my hair and that is one thing that almost always messes up scissors.
The Leatherman Micra has far superior scissors, or even better, the Nextool Flagship Pro
Nope...tested it, simply not the case.
@@maxlvledc been using the micra for 10 years and stand by its scissors for scale. The Nextool astoumds me though, for machining tolerance at the price point and the scissors on that are the best I have seen in a multitool
...a spreadsheet.