What's My Line? - The Supremes; Lana Turner; PANEL: Digby Wolfe, Suzy Knickerbocker (Feb 27, 1966)
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- MYSTERY GUEST: The Supremes; Lana Turner
PANEL: Arlene Francis, Digby Wolfe, Suzy Knickerbocker, Bennett Cerf
NOTE: Closing credits added from an older rerun pre-GSN-credit-crunching.
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The Supremes' were so elegant looking. Lana Turner is fabulous, charming and delightful.
That wine seller looks like a movie star! So handsome!
The Supremes were beautiful.
Weren’t they?!
@Robert A. Lofgren Jr. Chile. Take a chill pill. Get over it. Florence was not the star. She did not have IT. DIANA ROSS DID AND STILL DOES.. Hence her having a pop hit on the charts RIGHT NOW. GET OVER IT.
Yes. Loved Mary Wilson.
I love Diana! The essence of glamour
Arlene Francis was so smart; she figured out that last one in about 90 seconds, and had enough class to stand for an elderly woman.
I was certain that she was going to stand up,she always respected the elder!
Nice outfits the Supremes wore. I had one like the one Ms. Florence Ballard had on when I was a kid in grammar school. I had the hair style too. My older sister would put curlers in my hair the night before and comb it out. She had all their records. She would mimic Ms Ross when we played house.
My mom, in 1966-67, had a wig like Florence had on. She called it her Dutch Boy wig.
"Are you Jayne Mansfield?"
"No, but thank you."
CLASSIC
Tremendous ovation and applause when Lana Turner signed in. She seemed to be very touched by it. 16:00
Lana Turner was the epitome of the Studio System Star, a glorious creation of Old Hollywood whose like will never be seen again. The public always clamored for her.
Johan Bengtsson
She seemed remarkably nervous to me. I don't know much about her career, but I suspect that the height of her popularity was already far behind her when she made this appearance, and she may have been worried that she wouldn't be remembered . I think she was genuinely both touched and grateful for the enthusiastic reaction she received from the studio audience.
SaveThe TPC Right you are. As far as I know she had her biggest success in the 40's and 50's. She was also famous for her eight marriages (among others Artie Shaw and Lex Barker) and that her daughter Cheryl Crane stabbed her mother's lover Johnny Stompanato to death in self-defense after he had violently attacked her mother in 1958.
Johan Bengtsson Yikes! Yet another gruesome story. I hope there won't be any more of them...
SaveThe TPC Hollywood is full of gruesome stories but I shall try to restrain myself in the future. :)
I had forgotten how beautiful Lana Turner was.
She was gorgeous for sure
Vavavavooom!
Lana's facial expression at 18:53 after John said what he did is priceless.
Arlene is amazing, I can’t figure out how she gets so many correct!
Because she's smart! Lol
Arlene Francis was in the theater doing plays so she knew and worked with many of these stars. She also kept up with the plays and movies.
I was knocked out by how quickly Suzy figured out there as a group and then said Supremes
Arlene was blessed with intelligence, insight, wit.
@@paulamiles9559 Like Arlene, Suzy knew who was appearing at the major nightclubs.
The Supremes are quite beautiful women.
Specially Florence.
Lana was a really nice woman in person and that comes through here
She was either a hypocrite, a liar, or incredibly naïve. She wrote that when she loved a man she married him, like an old-fashioned girl, but Esther Williams could hear her and Fernando Lamas having sex through her dressing -room wall long before he married Esther. She asked why didn't they get somebody not ugly for 'Postman', her best film, (John Garfield--ugly??). She said Tyrone Power was the love of her life without realizing he was bisexual; she denied being pregnant by Mickey Rooney--maybe at that young age she didn't know? And who knows really what happened that night with Stompanato--did Cheryl take the rap?
@@rogerpropes7129 She (Lana Turner) admitted to having an abortion but the child was with Artie Shaw, not Mickey Rooney. Mickey Rooney claimed (in later years) to have slept with Lana Turner (and Norma Shearer, among others) but think it was just a way to sell books.
@@rogerpropes7129 Roger, I agree with you.
@@johnfd0210 Mickey Rooney had an interview years later with BBC and said that those were lies to sell the book once the interviewer brought them up. I'm inclined to believe Lana that she didn't have a relationship with him. You look at her future relationships/marriages and Mickey doesn't seem her type.
@@rogerpropes7129 Since when does sex=love? Yea Lana Turner had sex with Lamas, but that doesn't mean she was in love with him and wanted to marry him. She wasn't pregnant with Mickey's child and denied any relationship with him (and looking at her future relationships, Mickey wasn't her type anyways - and Mickey confessed to fabricating many details in his memoir to sell books). It's not her place to call out Tyrone Power's sexuality. And her daughter Cheryl is still confessing to killing Stompanato. And forensic evidence supports her. I read her book and don't remember her calling John Garfield ugly so I can't comment on that one.
I don't know what gripe you have against Lana, but she never said she was perfect.
Even back then Diana wanted to be called the leading lady!
Diana Ross ruined the Supremes. She was only made the lead singer because she slept with Berry Gordy. It was Florence Ballard's group. Both she and Mary Wilson could sing Diana Ross under a table.
Lana Turner's daughter Cheryl Crane, who caused by far the biggest scandal in Lana's life, is still alive (age 80). Her daughter stabbed to death Lana's boyfriend who happened to be a Mafia gangster. It was front-page news for months, and Lana had to take the witness stand at her daughter's trial. Most said it was the greatest performance she ever gave.
Wonderful to see The Supremes.
Such a gorgeous woman with the most beautiful smile. Loved her.
it's damn cute how when there's a really famous, beautiful actress like lana turner coming to shake their hands, the male panelists smooth back their hair like teenagers again...
When women’s hairstyles looked like helmets. I really liked their style of clothing though. Very elegant and classy.
Lana Turner is gorgeous!
So is Suzy Knickerbocker who is 48 here and looks fantastic.She lived to be 98.
@z There is some connection between her being married 7 times and he death? As if she had stayed married to one guy she would still be alive?
Every so often, WML springs a guest panelist or mystery guest I've never heard of. With this episode, Digby Wolfe joins the elite group of forgotten eminences who have sent me running to Google.
@zyeah he’s so great no one knows who the hell he is....”Digby”. Not exactly a name for the Ages
He was well known in Australia and England. Doesn't make him any less interesting or important in his sphere.
Interesting fact that Lanas 14yr old daughter killed Lana Turners boyfriend by stabbing him. I believe it was like 8 years before this episode. She spent 3 weeks in a detention center and it was soon ruled justifieable homicide.😎🚫🗡
Good episode and it's great to c the Supremes on the show!Lana Turner is lovely too.
Seguro que Lana Turner estará contentísima con el comentario que usted ha hecho. 😆
If the chalk sign ins somehow survived, that would be valuable.
Sure do miss delightful, clever Dorothy.
z Ooh I disagree with nearly all of that. I've found Arlene mildly funny and pleasant over the years but that's about it. The tonged wig-like hair, the tiaras, chandelier earrings and that Wilma Flintstone twang of hers with the upraised, elongated tone when she asks a question "of some kiiiinnnd?'....all of it, grates on me. She's my least favourite out of the classic 'Kilgallen, Allen, Francis, Serf' panel.
@z just your low life opinion!
@@davidsanderson5918 I think you forgot that this is/was Showbiz!
Her death was a mystery and still is
John downplayed John Pennel's prowess as a pole vaulter a little bit. Pennel was a 4 time world record holder, an Olympian and the winner of the Sullivan Award which is presented to the county's top amateur athlete. He was only 25 when appearing on this show and sadly died at the young age of 53 of cancer.
Good knowledge!
great looking guy
John Pennel is my father. It's great to hear such great comments!
"The Supremes". Years after they were Diana Ross and The Supremes. They were -and are- my favorite singing threesome. Frorence Ballard, RIP, was not too long with the group.
I am pleased to hear the additional information. The comments section is always interesting.
Very few of these celebrities ever acknowledged the audience. Lana Turner had a lot of class and did acknowledge it - in such a gracious way.
THE SUPREMES--best of the best girl groups. I know you guys like Flo or Mary but Diana had the wow factor, she was show business all the way., very glam.
OMG! I KNOW!! I started fan girling when I saw her lol
Yea that is unfair that everyone loves Motown yet puts down Miss Ross, its biggest star. I liked Diana's voice early on but it was a bit grating. By the 70s, she had developed into a great singer, when her voice gained some maturity. I am not interested in her personally, I am there for the music. She is a good musician.
AMEN! SO TRUE!!!!!!
@Robert A. Lofgren Jr. 😂😂😂😂😂Florence and Mars had class?!😂😂😂😂😂😂😩I can’t!!!!!!!
Great singers, but they collectively had a hard time responding to the questions.
With all John's vast knowledge, it was embarrassing that he treated The Supremes as if they were almost new on the scene, when at this point they were two years into the spectacular run of 10 hit songs, many #1's, surpassed only by The Beatles, knew the leader's name as "Diane?" not Diana, and neither of the others.
Diane was intended to be her birth name, but thanks to a clerical error at the hospital where she was born, she became Diana instead, but it didn't matter because her father still calls her Diane.
Her exit exemplified her charm. Her exit was as graceful as her entrance.
Miss Lana was always gracious with her fans
Lana Turner was a gorgeous and stunning woman. And for some reason, the more I watch this show, the more annoying Bennett Cerf gets. “Lay-nuh” Turner, smh 🤦🏻♂️.
After 13:15: Suzy Knickerbocker: Do you deal in spirits? John T. Pennel: Yes.
From what I find on the Internet, the correct answer should have been no. I quote sentences I have found: "A spirit is distilled alcohol." "Wine is not a spirit". "Wine is not distilled." Your witness, Mr. Mason.
+romeman01 Correct with regard to the narrow definition of "spirits," but oddly enough, seconds earlier, John does split almost exactly the same hair with regard to "booze."
I think they were trying to make up for what happend on the question before when they asked if dealt in booze. Im not sure the technical def'n of "booze" but it seems booze is a pretty broad term and it seems that responding No was misleading. With that still lingering in the air, Suzy is trying to determine if alcohol is involved so they are trying to steer her that way. It was convoluted and happened a bit on the show.
Lana Turner was certainly a "classy lady." It's just too bad she had lousy taste in men!
same thing with Dodo Day and Debbie Reynolds!
Sadly when one has a penchant for the equipment it objectifies the male and after a time most thinking women want a man who is more than a human dildo.
@@jennmooney THANK you, lol!
@@jennmooney, let me guess..Rene Descartes..
LOL! I had no idea that was Lana Turner. I enjoyed her far more than Marilyn Monroe
Thanx to W G W for restoring this episode so well. Various pieces of this episode have kicked around TH-cam for years, mostly in really bad shape.
Great show!
WHOA! This show sure had lots of unexpected guest celeb! Who'd have thought Lana Turner and. .. the Supremes would have been on the very same show on the same night? I wonder if the four of them got the chance to meet backstage or at the post show party. Alas, Diana Ross is the only one out of ALL the celebrities on this episode who's still with us (and all the panelists and John Daly have also departed).
No "han partido"; lo que ocurre es que se han muerto.
@@opale1572 They weren't dead THEN!
Diana Ross will be 80 on March 26,2024.
@@GGE47That's right! Talk about time flying!
John Pennel, After his pole vaulting career, Pennel moved to Glendale, California, and worked in sales for Italian Swiss Colony wines as well as marketing for Adidas and other companies. He also appeared in television commercials. In the early 1990s, he was diagnosed with stomach and liver cancer and died at age 53 in September 26, 1993 RIP
He was gorgeous and so sweet.
So young.
I have the MADAM X movie and it's the saddest movie of all time and I have to be in a tough mood to see that excellent film. If some people want to see the greatest tear jerker flick of all time and want to have a good cry this is the Queen of all tear jerker movies ever !
I heard it madmax?? 😂😅
I completely agree. That and Back Street
I love Mrs. Montgomery's reaction to the audience when her line is announced. She seemed like a lovely lady.
Love Lana Turner. As a side note it's interesting to see the clothing and hair styles of the period. I'm a great fan of WML
No matter how many marriages, affairs, or scandals, the public always adored Lana Turner. It shows here in the ovation she received. The Supremes looked great. I loved Diana's dress.
Lana Tuner. A beautiful and classy lady!
Lana Turner's life... What a soap opera.
Lana was famous for saying " I liked the boys and the boys liked me"
There are times when Benet Cerf opens his mouth when he should just SHUT UP when it is not his turn. He is always giving
things away that doesn't concern him.
My love for the Supremes makes me a white Supremeacist!
Aa real movie star! Noticed as she exited she acknowledged the audience. A real star! So are the Supremes!
The Supremes were as gracious but much more humble. It was unheard back then of black entertainers to be on such a show. Racial segregation was at its peak.
By 1966 segregation was
much milder in the north.
Ps, due to the internet I could look up this J T Pennel. He was an incredible athlete. He actually continued to compete after this show. His very good looks led him into commercials as well. He was handsome enough to play leading men but maybe he did not want that. Sadly he died quite young of cancer. Maybe it was from radiation contaminated wine.
No one knows or will ever admit to the correlation between all the testing of Atom bombs and the rampant escalation of cancer during the last 60 years.
Lana Turner seems to have been on this show quite often. This is the 3rd one I've seen. Interesting?
No one working on the 1948 MGM film "The Three Musketeers" could have anticipated that six of its stars would appear as WML MGs and two others as guest panelists. Besides Lana Turner, the future MGs were Van Heflin, Vincent Price, June Allyson, Gene Kelly, and Angela Lansbury. The future guest panelists were Gig Young and Keenan Wynn. Vincent Price was both.
Arlene, Bennett and John were in rare form tonight! So nice to see! 😎
By fortunate coincidence, Suzy Knickerbocker was on BOTH Supremes appearances.
Vahan Nisanian This episode was after Dorothy’s death in 1965 I assume? It’s before Jayne Mansfield’s death in 1967.
@@moonbeam3362 Yes, Dorothy Kilgallen "died" on November 8, 1965. I only say died in quotes because if I make a reference to her being murdered, some deep state shill types in a "there was never any proof" standard hack comment. So, I'm not going to go there. For now.
The 1960's was an era of black girl groups.
There were also The Chiffons, The Shirelles, The Marvelettes, The Crystals, The Ronettes, just to name a few.
And girl groups in general.
Chris Barat Or even just groups in general.
When did Diana Ross start separating her name from the group ?
Barry G 1967.
The "girl group" phenomenon really peaked in 1963 and ebbed by 1964, when The Supremes began their historic run of #1 hits. They were technically a part of the era, but really transcended it, and lasted far beyond its narrow range. Groups like The Shirelles, The Ronettes, The Shangri-Las, et al., were basically off the Top 40 by 1965, while The Supremes had ten #1 hits by 1967, and then as the re-christened Diana Ross & the Supremes, two more in 1968 and 1969, respectively.
Arlene is certainly one of those women who get better looking with age or seasoning as my mother use to say it.
We used to tease my grandma that she had a 'crush' on Arlene. She admired her so much.
"Lay-nah" Turner. For a well-educated publisher Bennett could certainly butcher the pronunciation of some rather ordinary words and names
That struck me as odd, too, as well-known as she was by then.
Yes, he could. He was especially prone to pronouncing a short vowel as though it were a long vowel, as in the "o" in "roster" and "modicum", the "e" in "felon", and the "a" in "Lana".
Either Bennett speaks New Yorker, he has a slight speech impediment, or both which has nothing to do with being a publisher if he wants to do that.
@Michael Danello Yes, that grated.
And Lana was very specific about how she wanted her name pronounced. Kind of mean of Bennett to go against her.
How darling and sweet is Lana!
I love looking at these shows. I'm reminded of a lot of my life, parents, and grandparents. My grandparents were faithful watchers.
The wine salesman was rather good looking.....Hollywood star looks all of his own.
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He seemed to still be learning about the geography of wine regions in Northern California.
John Gavinesque
The Supremes we're such ladies.
I miss Dorothy too. So smart and sweet
I don't want to sound mean,but the show just isn't the same without Dorothy Kilgallan.
In 1967, Motown president Berry Gordy renamed the group Diana Ross & the Supremes, and replaced Ballard with Cindy Birdsong. Ross left to pursue a solo career in 1970 and was replaced by Jean Terrell, so the group's name reverted to The Supremes. During the mid-1970s, the lineup changed with Lynda Laurence, Scherrie Payne and Susaye Greene joining the group until, after 18 years, The Supremes disbanded in 1977.
Love Arlene.
Lana Turner. “Madame X” 1966. It was one of the oldest properties in Hollywood. There was a 1929 “Madame X” that was one of the first sound features. The 1966 version went off with a distinct thud.
soulierinvestments: The 1929 was with Ruth Chatterton and she was nominated for Best Actress. In 1931 Helen Hayes, won an Oscar, was directed by Lionel Barrymore but the title was changed to The Sin of Madelon Claudette.. Thé remake, also titled Madame X, starred Lana. Chatterton was just famous in the 1930s, and particularly despicable in Walter Huston's 1936 Dodswortb, a film not to be missed.
@@michaeldanello3966 The great Gladys George I think may have been nominated for her 1937 version. Too bad Ms. George's alcoholism prevented her from becoming the great star she should have been. She had memorable bits in The Hard Way and The Best Years of our Lives in the 1940s, and died at the age of 50. Ruth's character wasn't so bad in Dodsworth. Why do you think that? WEHT her and Nancy Carroll?
Well, regardless of how it did when it was released, it is a great Lana Turner melodrama, a genre she did particularly well. It definitely stirs the emotions.
By this time, florence was quite unhappy and it is certainly evident here
Well she was uncomfortable around Whites in settings such as this.
Page-Hendryx: And you know that how? And why?
It's a shame; 10 years later and, well.... She was a fine singer and founding member.
@@Page-Hendryx I understand that. I can't FEEL it, but I recognize it. At Motown, Martha Reeves is MY girl! I love her voice and that toothy smile of hers while she sings. Hell, ALL of Motown is a national treasure. I look at photos of that little house, then think of and hear in my head the massive, awesome, accumulation of glorious music that exploded from there and my mind is blown to smithereens. Thanks to all involved.
Mary didn't look to happy either.
Yeah John, I wish WML at this point had been broadcast in color. Arlene, Suzy, the Supremes, Lana Turner. There's a line up. Seeing John blush would have been amusing, too.
"And she was broad / where a broad / should be broad." -- Oscar Hammerstein II
Soulier I had forgotten that song!
Always love watching Arlene Frances, something so evanescent about her.
MAN THAT TURNER WAS ONE GREAT LOOKING LADY....
What a group of gorgeous Guest Stars !
Wow, Suzy "Eileen Elder Mehle" Knickerbocker looked pretty young for 47 or 48..I thought she was mid- 30's..She was a cutie.
I knew when I heard her talk that she was a Texas girl..yep..just barely= El Paso.
And, she lived to be 98..
50 year journalism career, but controversial, accused of sometimes writing fiction when she did her society columns..
R.I.P.
"Uncertain stomach." Wow. A commercial euphemism right up there with "Stopette's" unsightly moistness.
One of the best lines...
Oh its only lana turner. She's just people like you and me. She may be people, but shes not like you and me.
I love lucy...excellent !!!
I once asked my Mom who she thought was the most beautiful movie star.....she thought about it and answered "a young Lana Turner...."
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My mom thought Phyllis Diller was.
Definitive answer in order: 1. Hedy Lamarr; 2. Elizabeth Taylor; 3. Catherine Deneuve; 4. Vivien Leigh; 5. Lana Turner; 6. Carmel Myers; 7. Marilyn Monroe; 8. Nicole Kidman; 9. Debra Paget; 10. Grace Kelly, Maureen O'Hara, Ava Gardner....
That's so true. but her looks began to fade in her 30s. I didn't think she was beautiful anymore by the time of Imitation of Life. She was only 38 at the time.
@@CountachQuattrovalvole There's another outrageously gorgeous woman in Marriage, a forgotten starlet named Frances Gifford.
Ms Katherine Montgomery looks more like royalty than a racetrack ticket sales lady.
It's interesting to see how their path varies in different shows.
In most shows they identified foods pretty quickly. But in this show they for some reason had the idea that it was not something that you ate.
wow, Lana turner!
What is it with Bennett Cerf so often mis-pronouncing the names of celebrities ?
He did it intentionally to get attention. Obviously it worked.
He went for the save at the very end when he pronounced her name correctly, but the damage had already been done.
John Pennel was soooooo hot.
Sounds like a cat's shriek from the audience. :) 11:00
kinda
That's what I thought! It puzzled Suzy Knick, etc., too. What was that all about? Tourette's?
Who else went, "*SQUEEEEEEEEEEE* ITS DIANA ROSS!!!!"?
I would be curious to see what it looks like on the panelists' desk, behind the name plates.
Lana Turner….Class….Beauty….Glamour
And kindness. She was nice, which might have been overshadowed by her extraordinary beauty class and glamour, but still a valuable thing. Miss Lana was very popular with her peers- she was a real.lady.
Love Love Love Lana!!!
I ❤️❤️💕 Lana Turner... classy, beautiful, charming, sexy and a good actress
Why not answer, yes or no. Oui doesn't detract from their natural voices.
As with most beautiful women, Lana Turner had a lovely smile. A wonderful actress who, from everything I've heard, was as beautiful inside as she was to look at. Class and beauty, when combined with talent, make for a memorable performer.
And she was a good person....sensitive and kind.
John Pennell has Robert Taylor's widow's peak, Cary Grant's cleft chin, and Gary Cooper's square jaw. Not a bad package, say I.
Todd Brandt I was constantly thinking how amazingly handsome he was while he was on the screen!
John Pennel is my father :)
Sean Pennel ~ SO AWESOME!!! I must be a great pleasure to see him...I certainly hope so anyway. You should mention he’s your father in the main comments.
Perfect.
@@youngexec777 very handsome father! Bet you are just as good looking.
It is certainly hard to pick the most beautiful movie star of all time but for my money it is LOVELY LANA !!!!!!!!!!!!
Bennett must have been pronouncing her name "Layna" all those years.
Don't ask Flo cause she don't know.
"The area is a very broad one..." Priceless.
LOL at John calling Bennett "Bender"!
She was still gorgeous.
Wow, the Supremes. Amazing!!!!!!!!!!
Dorothy would have asked the correct question is the item consumable.
Lana Turner rhymes with STAR! Well, it does in my dictionary. Ms Ross gets to sit down. She is also a great star but Mary Wilson - having to stand up & behind Ms Ross - looks fed up.
Just caught the date Feb 27.Happy 4th birthday to me..lol!
John, "The area [pin-up girl] is a very broad one." 18:49
That was an embarrassing choice of words for John!
SaveThe TPC It was a slip, John said he blushed. :)
Speaking of which, I love Suzy's voice. It is said that she was born in Texas, yet she has no trace of a Texas accent whatsoever. It sounds more Northern.
What's a Texan accent?
+Vahan Nisanian
Born in El Paso, Texas; raised in southern California; in the early 40's moved to Florida as a young adult and single parent; in 1957 moved to NYC.
I wish Suzy could have been made a permanent panelist.
Arlene is a class act....the way she stands for the last lady, just pure class. On top of that she is smart, witty and Beautiful!
Etiquette say's ladies too, must stand for elders.
She was by far and away the classiest, most genuine, most real, most ingratiating, and most down to earth out of all of them. Not to mention the fact that she was an incredibly attractive woman and very very sweet.
@@dannysullivan8929 She was indeed all of the above. 👍
@@rmelin13231 Big time
But she did not stand for Eleanor Roosevelt. Strange.
Poor ol' Bennett, he just could NOT pronounce anyone's name! Lay-na Turner!!!???!!! Hahaha!!!!
Or even LAN-ah Turner... (as if to rhyme with banana)
I think the name he was pronouncing was what Uncle Bennett wanted to do all those years of viewing Ms Turners' movies.
John also called Diana Ross 'Diane'. Tough show for names!
@@kennethbutler1343 In the case of "Miss Ross," "Diane" was what her parents had wanted to name her, but became "Diana" through a clerical error on her birth certificate.
Though Lana Turner was cute, I personally find Rita Hayworth a far more attractive and beautiful "pin-up".
Rita was a product of glamourous grooming, not a perfect beauty.
@@rogerpropes7129 Susan Hayward was a pretty natural beauty. They did very little work on her, unlike Rita and Marilyn. Shelley Winters, a superb actress, was never pretty. I was surprised that she was considered a beauty in old time H'wood
@@johnnymfan5065 Early in her career, Shelley Winters was attractive, back in the "Winchester '73" days. She had a huge ego though and never seemed to think Hollywood gave her the prominence she deserved.
@@preppysocks209 Shelley was Ok looking but not up to the very high standards of beauty of old time Hollywood beauty-eg Rita, Lana, Kim, Natalie,Sophia, Ava, Hedy, Liz, Linda Darnell, Ann Sheridan,et. al but she thought she was. so all if ok. Hollywood treated Shelley well when she became a character actress. She won two Oscars. She wasn't cut out to be a Glamour Girl. I saw a low budget cheesy movie with Shelley,A House is not a Home. She was superb even in that.
Their faces were pretty equally beautiful in the 1940s, though Rita may have edged out Lana in Gilda. She looked sureral. Sadly though alcohol caused their looks to fade early. Lana got less attractive after 1948's 3 Musketeers, by Imitation of Life, I really didn't think she was pretty though at only 38 years old which was kind of old at that time, 1959. Rita treated Kim Novak very kind on their film when Kim had replaced her as the Queen of Columbia Pictures. I think Rita was glad to step aside. Kim has on numerous occasions spoken of how great and sweet Rita was. She usually is interviewed for specials about Rita. She loved her.