We just had our roof done by RV Armor and are very happy with the finished product. The technician was awesome, he explained everything to us and answered any questions we had as he was working. He is also an rv'er and travels the country with his family doing this as a side business. We did not have any leaks or problems just wanted to do it as a preventative measure because as business owners of 30 years we have found preventive maintenance is cheaper and more convenient than "oh crap we need this fixed now". Best of luck with which ever one you choose to go with.
I have an RV FlexArmor for going on 3-years now and absolutely LOVE IT. I drove 9-hours to Dependable RV in Mississippi from Illinois. Gary and his team did an outstanding job on the roof. The roof I had got air under the membrane due to a lack of proper glue application from the factory and got worse with each camping trip. The roof actually blew up like a balloon on the way to Mississippi...but that is another story. It was cheaper for me to drive down and back to Mississippi(including hotel room for two nights) then to have the same roof reinstalled on my rig from a local dealer. The crew removed my entire roof and applied directly to the wood after a primer was applied. Gary kept me updated on a daily basis and i was able to view the progress at the end of each day. As noted on my post to your roof damage video, some of our camping club members were so impressed that 3-4 other members have also made the drive to Mississippi to have Gary and his team complete their roof as well. On a 90+ degree day, I can go up on the roof and the RV FlexArmor will be cool to the touch and unless there is a HEAVY rain, I do not hear it inside the coach. As you have stated, I think location is key to your decision....good luck on your choice.
We definitely would go with FlexArmor if we were not fulltimers and there were a location close to home. It is thicker than RV Armor. But with both offering lifetime warranties for the life of the trailer we feel the "come to you" factor of RV Armor and the fact we don't have to go back to FlexArmor if we do a roof mod is the deciding factor. Glad to hear that it adds extra sound insulation too. What a great bonus!
Do you feel it makes a notable difference in how hot your rig gets in the summer? Summers are killer around here, and anything that keeps things cooler is a big selling point in itself, for me.
We researched RV Armor, Rhino Roof, Flex Armor and we had Flex Armor in Denton Texas install our new roof April 2020 and we love it! Fantastic insulation and sound reduction as well. Our insurance covered everything, including our hotel room, meals etc and we saved money! Customer service was top notch and we would ONLY consider Flex Armor in the future. We have been fulltime since 2015. Our one year old Flex Armor roof looks like new!
Glad to hear such a good report on FlexArmor! We agree that FlexArmor is the way to go if you are not full time, and live close to one of their shops. But we don't want to drive hundreds of miles to one of their locations each time we make a change on the roof. I really don't think you can go wrong with either company, but FlexArmor is definitely thicker, so more sound proof and more protection. Thanks for your comment!
We drove from Northern Indiana to Pigeon Forge, TN. to have our Flex Armor roof sprayed on. We are very happy with the roof. It looks great and more important is the fact we will never have to worry about it leaking.... I felt more comfortable with a shop environment rather than out in elements having this done, plus Flex armor is thicker there for harder to damage.
Awesome balanced review....we have a RV FlexArmour 1 hour from our house. I have spoken with both companies also and both are awesome choices. We have a 24 foot Class C motorhome. 3 years old....discovered a very tiny leak, but I'm gonna nip this whole thing in the bud. I've resealed a rv roof before, lots of work and still have to spot-seal after that. I think this ought to be standard install out of factory....it's gonna be a real game changer. We're having ours done in the next few months.
We had the RVFlex Armor coating applied 3 years ago prior to starting to full time in our 24’ Class C and highly recommended it. We did not have any roof leaks, but since leaks cause so much damage and are difficult to prevent, we wanted to make sure that we never had one. After having solar installed we took the motorhome back to RVFlex Armor for the day, and had the mounting feet sealed into urethane roofing material. There have been zero leaks and I doubt you would have had your EPO roof material tear if your roof had the RVFlex Armor coating which is 3/16” thick and very tough but flexible. I recently broke a vent cover on a tree limb and was able to replace it since it did not impact the vent flange. I think that is it important that the coating that is applied in a controlled environment and having to drive to the installation location and hotel is worth the quality of the product. I have no relationship with the company other than being a very happy customer.
Glad to hear, Larry. We initially loved FlexArmor and if we weren't fulltimers we would definitely go with them. I think the choice will be easier once they have a lot more locations. They really do have a good product!
Just this week, we had our FW roof done by RV Armor. Since it's brand new, I can't comment on longevity but, it sure looks good. I weighed both systems in my head, RV Armor and Flex Armor ... I like the idea of RV Armor being able to "come to you" for the job and future repairs if needed.
Yes. That was our thoughts exactly. Glad to hear you came to the same conclusion. We will be getting our roof done later this year so feel free to check in about yours if anything changes.
bigvern542 I had RV Armor do my 2003 American Tradition Pusher in NJ a few years ago,it is still in great shape. The communication with the office set up and technician were hassle free. The finish product was better than new,my only regret was for not getting it done sooner.
I have had FlexArmor do roofs for 3 RV’s now. Admittedly, I’m only an hour’s drive from New England RV Roof where the work is done, so going back for any possible accessory changes later isn’t an issue. The product is amazing! I first had it done on my Arctic Fox 865 truck camper, and that camper now has over 50,000 miles and a lot of tree branch encounters in its history, but the FlexArmor doesn’t even show a scratch! Also … at least in the facility where I had it done… any repairs needed to the roof are done thoroughly before application of the polymer roof, and at no additional charge. They also use their own special solar panel mounts that work well with the polymer coating, so the installation includes removal and replacement of your solar mounts, again at no added cost. Each RV (my other two were Grand Design toy hauler trailers) took three days total, although if you need roof repairs before application, that can add to the time. The application is done in an almost “clean room” environment, so you can be sure the temperature is perfect, the polymer cures properly, and no dust or dirt contamination occurs. I have no experience with the other vendor, so I can’t comment on them.
We keep hearing more and more good things about FlexArmor. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience, so glad! And thanks for watching, see you in the next video!
Had same tree nick with my RV. I was fortunate to find a RV repairman with a machine that did a spray in roof. $100.00/A foot. I have a 30’ RV. Insurance took care of it all after a &500.00 deductible, I also got new plywood grade A and the roof is lifetime warranty. Love my RV roof. It has lasted now for 4 years. My seals are still in excellent condition and I maintain my RV myself (wash, repair, clean, & lube everything) This is the main reason that I won’t trade/sell my RV. Would have to be a really good reason for me to give it up. It’s like a small studio size for me. Down side it’s 30 amp. But can’t have it all. But maybe one day. A class A. Happy Trails 🏝🏕🚌
Sounds like you went with RV Armor or something similar. We love that they will come to us and that there's a lifetime warranty. Sounds like you have the perfect setup!
RV parks don't always allow work to be done on the RV except for emergency repairs, or I have heard some only allow one local company they have contracted with.
Had an RV Armor roof applied at the Green Cove Springs, FL location and were totally satisfied with the product, company and results. For my money, I want the controlled shop application. They repaired wood damage from a water leak, changes fan covers as well as a/c gaskets. Have since sold this coach and the transferable warranty was a plus to the new owner. I’d use them again if a new roof was needed on my current rig.
We agree that FlexArmor is the better product and that's why we wanted to go with them at first. Unfortunately, until they have more locations we will have to go with RV Armor. If we were stationary leaving near a FlexArmor location we would definitely go with them. Glad to hear you were happy with your roof. Congrats on your new rig!
Hi guys, seems which ever one you choose will be a great solution. Hope your able to get it done soon. It’s been beautiful here in KY, just a little chilly. Happy and blessed Easter🤗❤️
Agreed! They are both good products. We would definitely go with FlexArmor if they had stores everywhere so we wouldn't have to drive hundreds of miles when needing a roof mod. We think we'll be just as happy with RV Armor. And yeah I am missing KY right now!!! Happy Easter to you!
thanks for the video - my 2020 has the TPO starting to bubble up in the front. It's stored inside. The roof seems fine underneath, think I've no wood/deck damage - just adhesive failing. I'm going to try repairing the TPO myself: taking the Dicor off the front and sides, unscrewing the gutter rails a few feet, unscrewing and removing the front cap trim, pulling back the TPO and applying new glue, rolling the TPO back in place then doing new Dicor on those areas. Also, going back and checking all the rest of the side & back seams (Dicor) as well as all vents. I especially want to see how to inspect around the AC - where water is even present in condensate HOPEFULLY running off the roof and NOT into any gaps... I did price the spray on - under $6k here in Houston (where I am). Maybe some day. But, I don't like the idea of is simply being put on top of the TPO. If the adhesive fails, might it still bubble up? I'd also like to confirm solid undamaged decking underneath before spending on such a project.
Yep, both companies put the new roof right on top of the old one. Crazy! Sounds like you are handy enough to fix your own. Best of luck, and thanks for watching.
Someone in my Newmar group just put Flexarmor on their roof. But the company took the whole roof off, and put down new insulation and planking and then put the coating on. Cost $9000.00. They really like it but they wish they had covered everything inside the rig because any where their were fans , little particles came in and landed all over their stuff. (But they also had the whole roof removed)
Good to know. A solution to anyone going with FlexArmor would be to cover everything with drop cloths just in case. We have heard good things about FlexArmor. We would probably go with them if they had more than 16 locations across the US. As it is now, each time we need to make a change on the roof, we would have to drive hundreds of miles for them to touch up the roof. So we are still thinking we will go with RV Armor, but both companies are good and both have lifetime transferable warranties.
That's awesome, thank you much! We will be doing a follow up video showing our new roof installation. Be sure to ring the bell if you haven't already to see the update.
Yes, that's what we love about RV Armor. However, we have since learned that you can't use your AC for two or three days, so that's a consideration, too. Stay safe guys and hope all is well with the fam!
Yay! So glad. It was actually quite complicated in post to combine the two channels. It ended up degrading the audio a little. I changed the setting to record in mono. But that will be a few videos from now as I have a couple in the pipeline with the two-channel like this one. I hate to give up the ability to edit each channel separately but that's also the way it was before we went with the Rode. Thanks so much for your feedback about our sound. We like that we can now record on location. You'll see an example of that in the next video. Have a great weekend!!
@@LizAmazing oh perfect! That’s easy to do in there. Record in stereo the way you originally did it, while editing alt+drag down your audio track. It will make a duplicate of it. Select the top audio track and press shift+g. It will bring up audio channels. In there make sure both check marks are on “L” and press ok. On the bottom audio track press shift+g again but this time make sure that both check marks are on “R”. Now, one of the audio tracks will be you and one will be Paul. If the audio tracks become unlinked with the video while you’re editing select the video and both audio tracks and press control+L. You may have to do that twice since the first time it will unlink what’s already linked and the second time will link them all together. This post is probably confusing since I’m horrible at explaining lol. It’s really easy in practice though and will be really helpful in the future especially while filming outside of the camper. If you need more help feel free to reach out. I can provide you with an email address and I’m even willing to jump on FaceTime to walk you through it.
Glad to hear this. We think Flex Armor is the better option but they have so few locations it is scary. As fulltime travelers we could be caught 500 miles from the nearest shop, should we need to do anything on the roof.
We are also full time but lucky we were near a dealer in York Pennsylvania. RV Armor didn’t have a person close to us. We had a limb go through our roof back in July. We did have two weeks before we could get it fixed. The interior and new air conditioner was fixed in Oct. in IA. Insurance paid for both inside and out plus housing for both repairs. Good luck
Hi Jeri! It was YOUR comment that made us reconsider FlexArmor. Thanks! Here's our video with the roof update: th-cam.com/video/MEZr3NK2mvg/w-d-xo.html
As always a very informative video. The misses really appreciated it when Paul quickly differed to Liz and let her share her expertise. So many TH-cam RV channels don’t do that. Congrats.
Hi Adam! So sweet of you to say. We feel so glad to have found each other. If you don't know, here's our story: th-cam.com/video/jvWDUG3zgdA/w-d-xo.html
I love your great video to help educate people about a bad experience and how to address it. We just had a similar problem with our Solitude 375RES so in searching for information on TH-cam I found your video. I will probably go the FlexArmor route. We are full time but will plan to do it during winter at our home base location near Houston. I did look at the locations on their website out of concern about any future issues, and see that they are now up to about 24 locations. However it clearly is focused on the eastern half of the country, very sparse in the western half. Just to make someone aware who is looking at this in more current times. Thanks again!
Glad to know they are continuing to expand, Bob. Since this video we have heard from folks who have given rave reviews for the (much thicker) FlexArmor. So we are going to go that route after all! Stay tuned for our video of the process in the fall!
I got in fight with a tree limb yesterday the limb won. So I was sitting here researching options thanks for your video. I'm leaning FlexArmor but after watching I'll check out RV Armor. So many decisions, if the tree limbs would just stay away!
Oh my gosh, welcome to the club. And so sorry that happened. Yes, we originally wanted FlexArmor but the downsides didn't work for us as fulltimers. I don't think you can go wrong with either them or RV Armor BUT you need to be close to a FlexArmor shop if you ever need to switch something out on your roof.
There are also places that replace the TPO with a thick commercial grade material and give transferable warranties. One out of Georgia rebuilds any of the damage from water when they do the roof. They also inspect all of the A/C ducts and put in adapters so the duct does not collapse over time like many do and check all the roof wiring while they do the roof.
Yeah, that’s what I thought too. Until a micro burst tore half my fiberglass roof off. I went with this type of product too instead of replacing the fiberglass. Pretty high estimates for a new one piece fiberglass replacement.
@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 one tore our roof off and rolled it up like a sort of can opener! Thank God, while we were not home. Did not touch anything else around there, but 10 miles away, almost an entire forest along the highway was just destroyed! All i could think of was that the Jolly Green Giant came through and not too jolly at that! They, i believe are sudden down burts of air during times of unstable air...like around thunder storm cells and pretornado stuff. They can take a plane down in the right circumstances. That's what they told me it was for our place. Sure upset the wasps!
I wanted to put the RV armor on my last camper watched a lot of videos to show you how to do it yourself but I never was able to push the buy button not sure if I could pull it off. So I would be very happy for when you get that done let the people know the cost of somebody doing that for you. And in my opinion I think the way you’re going about it is the way it’s the one I would choose done deal from my understanding you never have to go up on the roof again what could be better than that
Exactly! Yes, we will share the exact cost when we get it done. They quoted us $150 per linear foot so I think that's a good. yardstick. We have not scheduled the work yet as we are traveling but when we do have it done we will make a video!
We had the RV Armor roof install a few years ago. Even though our 5th wheel is a 2004 Jayco. It was the best decision that we made. I price the rubber roof replacement and there was a few hundred dollars difference. But we are getting not younger an the less maintenance sounds like a winner to me. I’m the one that has to get up there. I wash our roof at least once a year and seal it. So there was not much of an argument from my husband. They came to house and did it in 2 days. They travel the country year around and with the warm season. If I was to get a newer RV I would definitely put on the RV Armor roof again.
Been watching your videos for a while this one is very helpful I am planning to get my frist rv I’m going full-time. Been wanting to do this for a long time
Yay! So glad this video was helpful. I bet you were looking forward to going full-time. It really is a good life! Looking forward to seeing you out here.
That's the deciding factor right there, Michael. If they were all over the place, we would definitely go with flex armor. They are the better product but since both have lifetime guarantees we feel either one is good. Enjoy your new roof!
So, I've put a deposit down on RV Armor. I did that November or December of last year when they were running a "book now for spring sale". I saved a few bucks on my linear foot rate, so it was worth it to book at that time. I feel like I made a fine decision in spite of the roof not being applied yet. There is a FlexArmor dealer about 80 miles from me in Pasco, WA, but that means I have to caravan down with my wife, leave the rig with them, drive 80 miles back home, and then do it all over again when they are done. I like that RV Armor is going to come to me. I do not have a negative opinion of FlexArmor, it just isn't as convenient to me. Nothing is too much more convenient than somebody coming to you to do the work. My roof is EPDM and original to the rig. It's had some caulking done over the years, but previous owners haven't really paid much attention to anything except for periodic patching. There was a bit of water damage in the past, but the previous owner seemed to do what a lot of RVers do: throw a lot of caulk on the offending area and hope for the best. It worked. But the only way to really solidify the roof and weatherproof it is to have an applied roof put on. This is an older rig, so a full strip and reapplication of EPDM might not be worth it. On the other hand the applied roof is a much better option and the fact that I can talk about the benefits of this lifetime roof to the next owner may help my sale price. I'll also feel a lot more confident going out in poorer weather. A lot of great camping is on the wet side of the state and I'd like to go there and not be concerned about leaks. I live on the dry side of the state, which has probably extended the life of this roof. Your video reminded me to email my project manager at RV Armor about when they will show up in the PNW. Spring has sprung here and we are getting beautiful, dry, 65 degree days on a regular basis.
We, too, do not have a negative opinion of FlexArmor. Perhaps in five years or so there will be a ton more locations making it more convenient to go that route. Till then, it's RV Armor for us. Let us know how you like it once it's installed. We'll get ours later this year.
@@LizAmazing so, my roof is finished! The installer took 3 days to do it. The EPDM was totally oxidized, but he felt it was solid enough to base the new roof on. He taped and patched all the cracks and holes. The first coat, a clear primer, made the black roof all glossy after that first day. He had taped and covered all the flaws in the EPDM and laid the primer. At that point the the roof was basically sealed. The next couple of day were the application of the build up coats. He did a great job dealing over the front, rear and side seams of the room to the walls. It is both great looking and nice to know that everything is sealed up and warranted against leaks.
We had RV Armor applied to our rig. Note: the AC cannot be run for the 3 days that the product is being applied because of the condensation pooling / running across the roof. Therefore we stayed with a family member for those days. We had it done in Florida. The inside of the rig would have been over 100 degrees durning the day without AC!
Tonya, that is certainly good to know. We didn't realize that but it does make sense. And of course if you try it get it done at a time where you won't need AC, you run the risk of it being too cold for them to apply the roof. Thanks for your comment!!
According to flex armor it's the exact opposite: they want to remove the membrane and apply directly to the wood. They advise against having it applied to the membrane.
They must have changed that bc we talked to the National Sales Manager who stressed that they do NOT want to remove the membrane. They will....for more money but state the product is better when applied to TPO directly.
That is the best way to go. If insurance covers it, go with either of those companies versus The manufacturer tpo junk. I believe they both warranty it for life and rv armor will replace your skylights and other older items on roof. But yes, rv armor is a better way to go if you don't want to have to take it in to them every time you need to make changes.
I had FlexArmor applied to my roof and absolutely love it. I went through the same considerations you went through but came to a different conclusion than you. I found FlexArmor to be a more “complete” application. I had to drive about 150 miles to the FlexArmor facility. Good video nonetheless.
We agree that FlexArmor is the better product of the two. As fulltimers, we know we'd risk driving hundreds of miles to one of their (only 16) locations each time we needed to make a roof mod. Looking forward to them having A LOT more locations. And glad to hear that you are pleased with their product!
I'm still debating which one to go with. Flex armor is only about an hour from base and I'm not a full timer. My roof is in great condition and i keep maintaining it but i really want to upgrade it, just a matter of priorities and convincing wife of the cost.
New to your channel do you enjoy it very much. Sorry about your roof situation I had similar but it was a windstorm did the damage to my roof from my RV. I have a 44 foot toy hauler went with flexseal I am very happy with them in three years no problems. But we live about 150 miles from one of their facilities. My decision was based on controlled environment and removing all Ac and vents. Good Luck.
We loved FlexArmor and were going to do it but as fulltimers we didn't like the downsides. They are both great and both offer lifetime warranties so you can't go wrong either way.
OK, I'm looking at these 2 options as well and just saw your video. 1st thanks for the even handed review of both products! 2nd now that you've had one of these installed for a year, which one did you pick and what are your thoughts now?
Thanks so much for your comment, Larry. We originally thought we would get RV Armor for sure, for the convenience of them coming to us. BUT then a viewer commented that they had FlexArmor and afterwards brushed a tree and the roof was still good. We do know that FlexArmor is thicker and, like we say in the video, a better product. So we have decided to go with FlexArmor and will do a video with more details later this summer. Stay tuned!
I think we're going to go with RV armor. We will definitely video the process! Right now we're focused on getting our camper repaired. After that we will schedule with RV Armor. Thank you. And if you are not aware that we crunched our camper, here is the video: th-cam.com/video/Rs4asoBWo_8/w-d-xo.html
Probably what I would do for an older RV I'm looking at a 2015 5th wheel likely roof will be needing replacement. I can get a discount and cover the cost of a new roof if I do it myself.
@Liz Amazing thank you for sharing great content as always! I'm just wondering, would you consider this option preemptively? Or do you think it would be better to wait until there is an issue and you have the option of an insurance payout? I appreciate any feedback you may have to provide.
I think so! Funny you should ask because Paul and I were just saying if we bought another rig we would get RV Armor put on it. It is an added expense but you never have to go on your roof and do your seams, something that has to be done yearly now with a PDMI and a TPO. Thanks for your great question!
I just scratch my roof no fun I was trying to be so careful. It’s just 2 small maybe size of a quarter do you think eternaBond will work or would you suggest to replace the whole roof That RV armor looks like a really good product and good company. Thanks for your help
Hi Mark, Paul here; Months later the Eternabond is still holding and showing no signs of coming up on the repair we did. In fact I just came off the roof where I was inspecting it and it looks as good as the day I put it on. We still intend to do the RV Armor treatment at some point in the future but as of yet haven't had it done mainly because we haven't in one place long enough to schedule it. I wouldn't hesitate to use Eternabond Tape to cover a small tear, or a large one for that matter.
LIZ!!! OMGOSH! THE NEW HAIR CUT IS ADORABLE!😁❤ Outstanding info! As we'll be buying a used 5th wheel we just might have to use these services👍👍👍 Thanks you two❤👋👋
LOL, we sure learned a lot! But I guess it's "on the roof" info! We are very impressed with both companies. FlexArmor is a better product but with only 16 stores across the nation that could mean hundreds of miles of travel each time you need to something on the roof. RV Armor all the way for us!
@@LizAmazing good choice. Apparenlty, both products are high quality. It depends on the indvidaul, the locale, and the travel they do that will help create a good choice for them! Well done!
No maintenance, just wash as needed. No patching or caulking. This is why we like RV Armor and FlexArmor so much! Both TPO and EDMI require you to get up there and caulk and reseal once a year. And yes on UV protection.
So if you have a brand new motorhome would you put this on after a few years or is something we can do while it's new? I can't see spending the money now when it's new. We use our Motorhome in the winter in Florida and they have a location a 20 miles away
Yes, that's a good idea to just do it it now because the TPO is so fragile. We think RV Armor and FlexArmor are both great. Like we said in the video, one of the downsides of FlexArmor is you have to go to them if you need to replace something on your roof.
I am looking at a new trailer and I am just figuring the cost of a roof from RVROOFINSTAL or one of the coatings. That with double Azdel walls I'll be in good shape for years....I hope :) Too bad Grand Design doesn't do Azdel......I would go G.D. if they did. They claim glue doesn't adhere to Azdel but yet GD's owner Winnebago has used Azdel for years....I say B.S. to G.D. on the Azdel claim.
Yeah. Something. They definitely did not have Azdel under consideration when we talked to them last month. Hopefully what they do use as a luan substitute is good enough!
Informative information, love it. How is the patch that you put on to cover the rip, being dealt with? Does the company rip the patch off or cover over it with their product? Always learning something from you two, thanks. 😉
Not sure but it sounds like they will cut the tape out, put the primer down then the cloth and then a couple coats of their product. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Hi Liz and Paul, sorry this happened to you guys. Take a look at rvroofinstall.com. They have a TH-cam channel with many roof installations using a 60 mil industrial roofing membrane. I believe they are located in Georgia. It’s worth checking out. Good luck guys. Enjoy your videos.
Good to know. I think we are going to go with RV Armor though because we won't have to travel all the way to Georgia and with the lifetime guarantee for the life of the trailer, we feel good about it. Glad to know there are other options out there. Glad to hear you are enjoying our channel. See you in the next video.
I called RVRoofinstall and to replace my roof membrane was going to be10K including repairing the rot around the A/C. I have a 2016 Grand Design 303RLS, the seal under the Aft A/C leaked and caused the roof deck to rot. Also had a quote from RV Flex Armor to do the same work and it was around $7200
Since you’re RV is relatively new doesn’t still have a warranty on the roof And how that work when you’re now putting another product over the top of it ?
Yes, it's under warranty. And insurance will pay for a new TPO. But with TPO being like tissue paper, we won't be going that route again. And that's what we thought, that the product is only as good as what it's applied to. But as we say in the video, the material bonds to the original membrane and it becomes a new stronger surface. This is why both companies can offer a lifetime warranty for the life of the coach- doesn't matter how many owners.
Curious, did you contact Grand Design to see having either repair option impact, if at all, Grand Designs' warranty since yours is 2020? The lifetime warranty from the repair options is a huge peace of mind, great job in your research and comparison of the two!
Grand Design's warranty for the roof is 12 years but that's a non-issue since both of these offer lifetime warranties. We definitely do not want to put TPO on there as it is far too fragile. Tissue Paper.
By linear foot -- as opposed to, I guess, square foot? -- do you mean that if you have a 20 foot long roof, RV Armor will charge 20 x $150/linear foot = $3000.00 for a RV roof no matter how wide?
This is another good reason why you should never mount solar panels to your roof. Imagine having to remove/reinstall all that PV. Keep the panels on the ground.
Hi guys 👋...thanks for the info...don't have any one of those roofs...but it is still good to know...looking at Mt Rushmore and moab utah this year...what about you you guys??....think we might cross paths??...take care..stay safe...J&A
We'd love to see you!!! Our plans are in a constant state of flux. We did Moab and Rushmore last summer so I don't think we will be in that area this year. Bummer. Excited for you about your plans, especially Moab!!! That area is unbelievable!
Just waiting on an estimate on my roof where the insurance would not cover. Water seepage so I am going to have that area patched and then go this route and cover the whole roof. In the 45 years I have had been around RVs this is the first roof issue I have encountered. This goes to show just how the quality control is and how unregulated the RV industry is. Sad state of affairs.... Thanks for the information...
You are so welcome. Either RV Armor or FlexArmor will be way cheaper than TPO. Glad to hear you are going to get the whole roof done. Wishing you a fabulous camping season!
Flex-Armor is not an option for me. I'm in SF area in CA and have to drive to OR or AZ for one of their nearest facilities. RV-Armor is quoting $150/ft for their product for my 29' RV, that's $4,350 but they quoted me $7,350 for the job because they have to remove the entire roof and a corner section of plywood. I think that's way too high, don't you?
I don't know about that. If they have to do all that work, that is pretty labor-intensive. I guess you could get a second estimate. We will be going with RV Armor more later this year. We have to schedule it out far enough in advance and get our schedules to align. Let us know how it goes.
Hi Liz, My name is Dave and I run the Flexarmor location in Pigeon Forge, TN. I wanted to correct the misinformation in your video! David Adair is with Flexarmor. Other that that, I think you had a lot of good points. I though it was well considered and well produced.
Hi Dave! Whoops thanks so much about that. It should have said David Hamilton who is the sales director for RV Armor. And thanks for your kind words about our video!
@@LizAmazing I would love to hear about your experience with the other guys. I was of course disappointed in your choice for the obvious reason. But I am honestly curious what your roof looks like in the coming years. I put mine on my camper about 6 months ago. If you ever get to Pigeon Forge, Tn. I would love to host you at our shop so you can do an honest follow up in the years to come. Please be safe in your travels.
@@Longshiprv Thanks David! We have not done the roof repair yet. We messed up the back corner of our camper and that took a few months to get it fixed. We are just now ready to schedule the repair. We love FlexArmor and it seems to be the better product. BUT, as we say in the video, the drawbacks of there being so few locations means we likely would have to drive hundreds of miles should we need to work on our solar or replace a roof vent. Since both FlexArmor and RV Armor offer lifetime guarantees, we feel choosing RV Armor is the way to go. They will come to us, and they will give us product to use down the line if we need to make any roof modifications. Once FlexArmor is more convenient, then that will be the way to go. Thanks again!
You may alos check Tge Roof Man. Their product is life time, its also fire proof. They are able to rebuild yiur total roof, or miner repairs. Check out their web site. It is a rubber base product. My rv came with it been on the roof for 4 years.
I am looking at Crazy Seal, which I understand is a DIY version of RV Armor. Quite a savings if you are able and willing to do the labor yourself. Is anyone familiar with this product? Thanks
Yes. We were originally going to go with RV Armor. But after talking with them, we realized we would have to move out of our RV anyway so the fact they come to you is not a big benefit, as a fulltime RVer. Now we are going to go with FlexArmor. Stay tuned for our video in the Fall about it.
I had My 40 foot cyclone toyhauler re roofed at rvroof in Denton TX I would highly recommend this shop. Would like to talk if you need info on details of our experience.message me
@C. W. Sayre I feel like if anyone at an rv park saw this going on and smelled any smells they would understand. I want all of the rv community to be on the road and having as much fun as we are. Maintenance is a must and you have to protect you're livelihood. What do you think?
This repair is probably the most economical way to go, but I just do not trust the adhesion of the roofs the manufacturers are installing. Seems like I see more campers going down the road with their roofs ballooning up. Unfortunately these coatings will not help this issue at all. If you want to learn more about this check out AZExpert James, he has lots of videos about fixing RV roofs.. great information. Here is one of his recent roof videos: th-cam.com/video/bmUNALxxAZg/w-d-xo.html
Yes, we have heard about the roofs ballooning up. This won't happen with RV Armor or FlexArmor on top of the TPO. Their product bonds to the TPO and becomes a new stronger surface.
Great question! At first we thought we were going to go with RV Armor for the convenience of having the work done on the road. They will come to us. Plus if a touch-up is needed, RV Armor gives you some caulk. With FlexArmor, we would have to go to one of their shops, and there's not that many. THEN we realized even if we do RV Armor, we still need to move out of our rig while the work is done (just like with FlexArmor). After that, we heard from a viewer who said they got FlexArmor and later scraped the roof. The rubber was so thick it withstood the scrape. That convinced us!!! SO...we canceled our RV Armor appt and made an appt with FlexArmor. Stay tuned for a video later this summer! (And we don't think you can go wrong either way!)
Had not heard of them except in relation to truck beds. This stuff is basically the same thing. We are pretty sure we will go with RV Armor for the reasons we listed in the video.
We have the Rhino lining. We are having to have it replaced. The product manufacturer does not warrant the product but instead leaves each applicator to warrant it. They will always blame applicator error. Needless to say, our applicator is out of business. The issue is that unlike these two products, the Rhino roof does not flex. We have cracks all along the edge of the roof. We are currently researching between the same two products Liz is, and also whether we should have the Rhino removed or gone over. Thanks Liz and Paul for a thorough comparison of the two. We still have our own research to do, but you helped us by giving us additional thoughts to consider and questions to ask each company.
Insurance is a business. If you make a claim for tree collision your rates will skyrocket!!!!! Trade in value plummets with an aftermarket roof that is not OEM from their configuration manual. That tree branch scrape needed a piece of Eterna bond tape properly installed. Eterna bond will outlast all of us !!!!! Looky at the RV Geeks, their Tape is 15 years old and looks new, still to this day!!!
I can't imagine that trade-in value would do anything but go up with a lifetime transferable roof warranty. Especially since TPO is so fragile. Knowing what we know now, if we were shopping we'd be looking for a coated roof. And, yes, insurance is a business so our rates could likely go up. But that's what insurance is for, so we're good with that. Grateful. Agreed that Eternabond will outlast us all, LOL!
Even a bad day RVing beats being stationary in a house for us! We love RV life and see no end in sight. Thanks for watching and see you in the next video. Oh, and here's what happened when we drove a Class A motorhome: th-cam.com/video/ILqN1Z3REls/w-d-xo.html
We just had our roof done by RV Armor and are very happy with the finished product. The technician was awesome, he explained everything to us and answered any questions we had as he was working. He is also an rv'er and travels the country with his family doing this as a side business. We did not have any leaks or problems just wanted to do it as a preventative measure because as business owners of 30 years we have found preventive maintenance is cheaper and more convenient than "oh crap we need this fixed now". Best of luck with which ever one you choose to go with.
Glad to hear! We are pretty sure we are going to pick RV Armor. Thanks for sharing your experience with them!
I have an RV FlexArmor for going on 3-years now and absolutely LOVE IT. I drove 9-hours to Dependable RV in Mississippi from Illinois. Gary and his team did an outstanding job on the roof. The roof I had got air under the membrane due to a lack of proper glue application from the factory and got worse with each camping trip. The roof actually blew up like a balloon on the way to Mississippi...but that is another story. It was cheaper for me to drive down and back to Mississippi(including hotel room for two nights) then to have the same roof reinstalled on my rig from a local dealer. The crew removed my entire roof and applied directly to the wood after a primer was applied. Gary kept me updated on a daily basis and i was able to view the progress at the end of each day. As noted on my post to your roof damage video, some of our camping club members were so impressed that 3-4 other members have also made the drive to Mississippi to have Gary and his team complete their roof as well. On a 90+ degree day, I can go up on the roof and the RV FlexArmor will be cool to the touch and unless there is a HEAVY rain, I do not hear it inside the coach. As you have stated, I think location is key to your decision....good luck on your choice.
We definitely would go with FlexArmor if we were not fulltimers and there were a location close to home. It is thicker than RV Armor. But with both offering lifetime warranties for the life of the trailer we feel the "come to you" factor of RV Armor and the fact we don't have to go back to FlexArmor if we do a roof mod is the deciding factor. Glad to hear that it adds extra sound insulation too. What a great bonus!
Do you feel it makes a notable difference in how hot your rig gets in the summer? Summers are killer around here, and anything that keeps things cooler is a big selling point in itself, for me.
We are going through your exact situation right now. Our 2020 FR Salem is ballooning in the very front.
We researched RV Armor, Rhino Roof, Flex Armor and we had Flex Armor in Denton Texas install our new roof April 2020 and we love it! Fantastic insulation and sound reduction as well. Our insurance covered everything, including our hotel room, meals etc and we saved money! Customer service was top notch and we would ONLY consider Flex Armor in the future. We have been fulltime since 2015. Our one year old Flex Armor roof looks like new!
Glad to hear such a good report on FlexArmor! We agree that FlexArmor is the way to go if you are not full time, and live close to one of their shops. But we don't want to drive hundreds of miles to one of their locations each time we make a change on the roof. I really don't think you can go wrong with either company, but FlexArmor is definitely thicker, so more sound proof and more protection. Thanks for your comment!
Are you still happy with your roof? We live close to the Denton shop you mentioned and were considering them for our new rig.
@@frankperry1543 ABSOLUTELY....3 years and going strong and NO MAINTENANCE.....we stand by it 100% and we highly recommend DFW Roof.
We drove from Northern Indiana to Pigeon Forge, TN. to have our Flex Armor roof sprayed on. We are very happy with the roof. It looks great and more important is the fact we will never have to worry about it leaking.... I felt more comfortable with a shop environment rather than out in elements having this done, plus Flex armor is thicker there for harder to damage.
Yes. When it comes down to it, FlexArmor is definitely better. Thanks for watching and enjoy your new roof!
Awesome balanced review....we have a RV FlexArmour 1 hour from our house. I have spoken with both companies also and both are awesome choices. We have a 24 foot Class C motorhome. 3 years old....discovered a very tiny leak, but I'm gonna nip this whole thing in the bud. I've resealed a rv roof before, lots of work and still have to spot-seal after that. I think this ought to be standard install out of factory....it's gonna be a real game changer. We're having ours done in the next few months.
Well done! You put succinctly into words what was going on in my head. Awesome!
Yay! Thanks so much for saying so!
We had the RVFlex Armor coating applied 3 years ago prior to starting to full time in our 24’ Class C and highly recommended it. We did not have any roof leaks, but since leaks cause so much damage and are difficult to prevent, we wanted to make sure that we never had one. After having solar installed we took the motorhome back to RVFlex Armor for the day, and had the mounting feet sealed into urethane roofing material. There have been zero leaks and I doubt you would have had your EPO roof material tear if your roof had the RVFlex Armor coating which is 3/16” thick and very tough but flexible. I recently broke a vent cover on a tree limb and was able to replace it since it did not impact the vent flange. I think that is it important that the coating that is applied in a controlled environment and having to drive to the installation location and hotel is worth the quality of the product. I have no relationship with the company other than being a very happy customer.
Glad to hear, Larry. We initially loved FlexArmor and if we weren't fulltimers we would definitely go with them. I think the choice will be easier once they have a lot more locations. They really do have a good product!
@Larry Volenec For your class C- how did you do the overcab?
@@carleenhollingsworth279 It is one complete coating from the rear to the front cab over. I hope that helps!
Just this week, we had our FW roof done by RV Armor. Since it's brand new, I can't comment on longevity but, it sure looks good. I weighed both systems in my head, RV Armor and Flex Armor ... I like the idea of RV Armor being able to "come to you" for the job and future repairs if needed.
Yes. That was our thoughts exactly. Glad to hear you came to the same conclusion. We will be getting our roof done later this year so feel free to check in about yours if anything changes.
bigvern542 I had RV Armor do my 2003 American Tradition Pusher in NJ a few years ago,it is still in great shape. The communication with the office set up and technician were hassle free. The finish product was better than new,my only regret was for not getting it done sooner.
We've heard such good things about RV Armor and FlexArmor. Thanks so much for your comment. Happy travels, and enjoy that American Tradition!
When you had your roof done did they remove the old TPO roof, it being 20 years old already?
I have had FlexArmor do roofs for 3 RV’s now. Admittedly, I’m only an hour’s drive from New England RV Roof where the work is done, so going back for any possible accessory changes later isn’t an issue. The product is amazing! I first had it done on my Arctic Fox 865 truck camper, and that camper now has over 50,000 miles and a lot of tree branch encounters in its history, but the FlexArmor doesn’t even show a scratch! Also … at least in the facility where I had it done… any repairs needed to the roof are done thoroughly before application of the polymer roof, and at no additional charge. They also use their own special solar panel mounts that work well with the polymer coating, so the installation includes removal and replacement of your solar mounts, again at no added cost. Each RV (my other two were Grand Design toy hauler trailers) took three days total, although if you need roof repairs before application, that can add to the time. The application is done in an almost “clean room” environment, so you can be sure the temperature is perfect, the polymer cures properly, and no dust or dirt contamination occurs.
I have no experience with the other vendor, so I can’t comment on them.
We keep hearing more and more good things about FlexArmor. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience, so glad! And thanks for watching, see you in the next video!
I just got a used RV. I plan on taping all the seams with enteratape. Then covering it in 10 gallons of elasomeric paint from home Depot
Wow, that just might work. Thanks for watching. See you in my brand new video right here: th-cam.com/video/vYBwyj8NLxc/w-d-xo.html
Great topic! Sorry you had to go through that. This has heightened my awareness about staying away from trees! Thanks! Love your channel
Thanks Joe. Yes those trees can be like bear claws!
Had same tree nick with my RV. I was fortunate to find a RV repairman with a machine that did a spray in roof. $100.00/A foot. I have a 30’ RV. Insurance took care of it all after a &500.00 deductible, I also got new plywood grade A and the roof is lifetime warranty. Love my RV roof. It has lasted now for 4 years. My seals are still in excellent condition and I maintain my RV myself (wash, repair, clean, & lube everything)
This is the main reason that I won’t trade/sell my RV. Would have to be a really good reason for me to give it up. It’s like a small studio size for me. Down side it’s 30 amp. But can’t have it all. But maybe one day. A class A. Happy Trails 🏝🏕🚌
Sounds like you went with RV Armor or something similar. We love that they will come to us and that there's a lifetime warranty. Sounds like you have the perfect setup!
Another great, informative video - thank you!
Thank you! And watch out for trees!
RV parks don't always allow work to be done on the RV except for emergency repairs, or I have heard some only allow one local company they have contracted with.
Had an RV Armor roof applied at the Green Cove Springs, FL location and were totally satisfied with the product, company and results. For my money, I want the controlled shop application. They repaired wood damage from a water leak, changes fan covers as well as a/c gaskets. Have since sold this coach and the transferable warranty was a plus to the new owner. I’d use them again if a new roof was needed on my current rig.
We agree that FlexArmor is the better product and that's why we wanted to go with them at first. Unfortunately, until they have more locations we will have to go with RV Armor. If we were stationary leaving near a FlexArmor location we would definitely go with them. Glad to hear you were happy with your roof. Congrats on your new rig!
Great advise guys- I am so happy to be a subscriber - Learning all the time- Thank you both
Great and so glad you are enjoying our content! See you in the next video!
Hi guys, seems which ever one you choose will be a great solution. Hope your able to get it done soon. It’s been beautiful here in KY, just a little chilly. Happy and blessed Easter🤗❤️
Agreed! They are both good products. We would definitely go with FlexArmor if they had stores everywhere so we wouldn't have to drive hundreds of miles when needing a roof mod. We think we'll be just as happy with RV Armor. And yeah I am missing KY right now!!! Happy Easter to you!
thanks for the video - my 2020 has the TPO starting to bubble up in the front. It's stored inside. The roof seems fine underneath, think I've no wood/deck damage - just adhesive failing. I'm going to try repairing the TPO myself: taking the Dicor off the front and sides, unscrewing the gutter rails a few feet, unscrewing and removing the front cap trim, pulling back the TPO and applying new glue, rolling the TPO back in place then doing new Dicor on those areas. Also, going back and checking all the rest of the side & back seams (Dicor) as well as all vents.
I especially want to see how to inspect around the AC - where water is even present in condensate HOPEFULLY running off the roof and NOT into any gaps...
I did price the spray on - under $6k here in Houston (where I am). Maybe some day. But, I don't like the idea of is simply being put on top of the TPO. If the adhesive fails, might it still bubble up? I'd also like to confirm solid undamaged decking underneath before spending on such a project.
Yep, both companies put the new roof right on top of the old one. Crazy! Sounds like you are handy enough to fix your own. Best of luck, and thanks for watching.
Someone in my Newmar group just put Flexarmor on their roof. But the company took the whole roof off, and put down new insulation and planking and then put the coating on. Cost $9000.00. They really like it but they wish they had covered everything inside the rig because any where their were fans , little particles came in and landed all over their stuff. (But they also had the whole roof removed)
Good to know. A solution to anyone going with FlexArmor would be to cover everything with drop cloths just in case. We have heard good things about FlexArmor. We would probably go with them if they had more than 16 locations across the US. As it is now, each time we need to make a change on the roof, we would have to drive hundreds of miles for them to touch up the roof. So we are still thinking we will go with RV Armor, but both companies are good and both have lifetime transferable warranties.
Thank you for the video. You’ve helped me make the decision between flex armor, or RV armor.
That's awesome, thank you much! We will be doing a follow up video showing our new roof installation. Be sure to ring the bell if you haven't already to see the update.
So happy you can get it repaired and not be homeless for days. 👍😉
Yes, that's what we love about RV Armor. However, we have since learned that you can't use your AC for two or three days, so that's a consideration, too. Stay safe guys and hope all is well with the fam!
Nailed the audio guys! Major improvement. Great video! I almost just want to get the roof done now preemptively lol. The roof always makes me nervous.
Yay! So glad. It was actually quite complicated in post to combine the two channels. It ended up degrading the audio a little. I changed the setting to record in mono. But that will be a few videos from now as I have a couple in the pipeline with the two-channel like this one. I hate to give up the ability to edit each channel separately but that's also the way it was before we went with the Rode. Thanks so much for your feedback about our sound. We like that we can now record on location. You'll see an example of that in the next video. Have a great weekend!!
@@LizAmazing Worth the effort for sure! Which program are you editing in?
Premiere
@@LizAmazing oh perfect! That’s easy to do in there. Record in stereo the way you originally did it, while editing alt+drag down your audio track. It will make a duplicate of it. Select the top audio track and press shift+g. It will bring up audio channels. In there make sure both check marks are on “L” and press ok. On the bottom audio track press shift+g again but this time make sure that both check marks are on “R”. Now, one of the audio tracks will be you and one will be Paul. If the audio tracks become unlinked with the video while you’re editing select the video and both audio tracks and press control+L. You may have to do that twice since the first time it will unlink what’s already linked and the second time will link them all together. This post is probably confusing since I’m horrible at explaining lol. It’s really easy in practice though and will be really helpful in the future especially while filming outside of the camper. If you need more help feel free to reach out. I can provide you with an email address and I’m even willing to jump on FaceTime to walk you through it.
@@DJILLEE Oh thanks so much! This is much easier than what I found by googling. I will give this way a try, thanks again!
We had Flex Armor put on 2 1/2 days. Love it. Week after we had it put on hit a tree branch no damage.
Glad to hear this. We think Flex Armor is the better option but they have so few locations it is scary. As fulltime travelers we could be caught 500 miles from the nearest shop, should we need to do anything on the roof.
We are also full time but lucky we were near a dealer in York Pennsylvania. RV Armor didn’t have a person close to us. We had a limb go through our roof back in July. We did have two weeks before we could get it fixed. The interior and new air conditioner was fixed in Oct. in IA. Insurance paid for both inside and out plus housing for both repairs. Good luck
@@jeriludvik3337 This is good to know, thank you! Glad it worked out so well.
Hi Jeri! It was YOUR comment that made us reconsider FlexArmor. Thanks! Here's our video with the roof update: th-cam.com/video/MEZr3NK2mvg/w-d-xo.html
As always a very informative video. The misses really appreciated it when Paul quickly differed to Liz and let her share her expertise. So many TH-cam RV channels don’t do that. Congrats.
Hi Adam! So sweet of you to say. We feel so glad to have found each other. If you don't know, here's our story: th-cam.com/video/jvWDUG3zgdA/w-d-xo.html
I love your great video to help educate people about a bad experience and how to address it. We just had a similar problem with our Solitude 375RES so in searching for information on TH-cam I found your video. I will probably go the FlexArmor route. We are full time but will plan to do it during winter at our home base location near Houston. I did look at the locations on their website out of concern about any future issues, and see that they are now up to about 24 locations. However it clearly is focused on the eastern half of the country, very sparse in the western half. Just to make someone aware who is looking at this in more current times. Thanks again!
Glad to know they are continuing to expand, Bob. Since this video we have heard from folks who have given rave reviews for the (much thicker) FlexArmor. So we are going to go that route after all! Stay tuned for our video of the process in the fall!
Where did you take the RV to spray the roof?
I talk about Bob because he is located in Houston area.
I got in fight with a tree limb yesterday the limb won. So I was sitting here researching options thanks for your video. I'm leaning FlexArmor but after watching I'll check out RV Armor. So many decisions, if the tree limbs would just stay away!
Oh my gosh, welcome to the club. And so sorry that happened. Yes, we originally wanted FlexArmor but the downsides didn't work for us as fulltimers. I don't think you can go wrong with either them or RV Armor BUT you need to be close to a FlexArmor shop if you ever need to switch something out on your roof.
did u cut it off in spite and burn it?
@@LizAmazing I don't wan't to be in the club!
There are also places that replace the TPO with a thick commercial grade material and give transferable warranties. One out of Georgia rebuilds any of the damage from water when they do the roof. They also inspect all of the A/C ducts and put in adapters so the duct does not collapse over time like many do and check all the roof wiring while they do the roof.
Glad to know this. Thanks so much!
Well guys this is a subject that I really can’t comment on because I have a one piece fiberglass roof on a class A! Great video. Thomyt
Thanks Thom. We're always learning something. Fiberglass is definitely the way to go though!
Yeah, that’s what I thought too. Until a micro burst tore half my fiberglass roof off. I went with this type of product too instead of replacing the fiberglass. Pretty high estimates for a new one piece fiberglass replacement.
@@billgriffin9503 Bill, what is a micro burst?
@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 one tore our roof off and rolled it up like a sort of can opener! Thank God, while we were not home. Did not touch anything else around there, but 10 miles away, almost an entire forest along the highway was just destroyed! All i could think of was that the Jolly Green Giant came through and not too jolly at that! They, i believe are sudden down burts of air during times of unstable air...like around thunder storm cells and pretornado stuff. They can take a plane down in the right circumstances. That's what they told me it was for our place. Sure upset the wasps!
I wanted to put the RV armor on my last camper watched a lot of videos to show you how to do it yourself but I never was able to push the buy button not sure if I could pull it off. So I would be very happy for when you get that done let the people know the cost of somebody doing that for you. And in my opinion I think the way you’re going about it is the way it’s the one I would choose done deal from my understanding you never have to go up on the roof again what could be better than that
Exactly! Yes, we will share the exact cost when we get it done. They quoted us $150 per linear foot so I think that's a good. yardstick. We have not scheduled the work yet as we are traveling but when we do have it done we will make a video!
Another great video, enjoy watching both of you. It’s nice to see how love y’all love for each other. Have another blessed day
Awww, thanks so much James!!
I have an RV armor roof. I love it. I’ve only found one person in all of internet land that had a negative review
We had the RV Armor roof install a few years ago. Even though our 5th wheel is a 2004 Jayco. It was the best decision that we made. I price the rubber roof replacement and there was a few hundred dollars difference. But we are getting not younger an the less maintenance sounds like a winner to me. I’m the one that has to get up there. I wash our roof at least once a year and seal it. So there was not much of an argument from my husband. They came to house and did it in 2 days. They travel the country year around and with the warm season. If I was to get a newer RV I would definitely put on the RV Armor roof again.
So glad to hear this Linda. We are pretty sure we are going to go with RV Armor as well!
Been watching your videos for a while this one is very helpful I am planning to get my frist rv I’m going full-time. Been wanting to do this for a long time
Yay! So glad this video was helpful. I bet you were looking forward to going full-time. It really is a good life! Looking forward to seeing you out here.
I am in the next year. Saving my money to get my first rv.Trying to learn. As much as I can before I get one
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Brad! Have a great weekend!!
I have done a good bit of research on both products and have chosen Flex Armor. Luckily I have a shop that's does it about 40 miles away.
That's the deciding factor right there, Michael. If they were all over the place, we would definitely go with flex armor. They are the better product but since both have lifetime guarantees we feel either one is good. Enjoy your new roof!
So, I've put a deposit down on RV Armor. I did that November or December of last year when they were running a "book now for spring sale". I saved a few bucks on my linear foot rate, so it was worth it to book at that time. I feel like I made a fine decision in spite of the roof not being applied yet. There is a FlexArmor dealer about 80 miles from me in Pasco, WA, but that means I have to caravan down with my wife, leave the rig with them, drive 80 miles back home, and then do it all over again when they are done. I like that RV Armor is going to come to me. I do not have a negative opinion of FlexArmor, it just isn't as convenient to me. Nothing is too much more convenient than somebody coming to you to do the work.
My roof is EPDM and original to the rig. It's had some caulking done over the years, but previous owners haven't really paid much attention to anything except for periodic patching. There was a bit of water damage in the past, but the previous owner seemed to do what a lot of RVers do: throw a lot of caulk on the offending area and hope for the best. It worked.
But the only way to really solidify the roof and weatherproof it is to have an applied roof put on. This is an older rig, so a full strip and reapplication of EPDM might not be worth it. On the other hand the applied roof is a much better option and the fact that I can talk about the benefits of this lifetime roof to the next owner may help my sale price. I'll also feel a lot more confident going out in poorer weather. A lot of great camping is on the wet side of the state and I'd like to go there and not be concerned about leaks. I live on the dry side of the state, which has probably extended the life of this roof.
Your video reminded me to email my project manager at RV Armor about when they will show up in the PNW. Spring has sprung here and we are getting beautiful, dry, 65 degree days on a regular basis.
We, too, do not have a negative opinion of FlexArmor. Perhaps in five years or so there will be a ton more locations making it more convenient to go that route. Till then, it's RV Armor for us. Let us know how you like it once it's installed. We'll get ours later this year.
@@LizAmazing so, my roof is finished! The installer took 3 days to do it. The EPDM was totally oxidized, but he felt it was solid enough to base the new roof on. He taped and patched all the cracks and holes. The first coat, a clear primer, made the black roof all glossy after that first day. He had taped and covered all the flaws in the EPDM and laid the primer. At that point the the roof was basically sealed. The next couple of day were the application of the build up coats. He did a great job dealing over the front, rear and side seams of the room to the walls. It is both great looking and nice to know that everything is sealed up and warranted against leaks.
@@jeromep Glad to know, thanks so much for checking back with us. We expect to do ours later this year. Happy that you're happy with it!
We had RV Armor applied to our rig. Note: the AC cannot be run for the 3 days that the product is being applied because of the condensation pooling / running across the roof. Therefore we stayed with a family member for those days. We had it done in Florida. The inside of the rig would have been over 100 degrees durning the day without AC!
Tonya, that is certainly good to know. We didn't realize that but it does make sense. And of course if you try it get it done at a time where you won't need AC, you run the risk of it being too cold for them to apply the roof. Thanks for your comment!!
RV Armor for us, still looking good 2 years later.
Yay! Thank you for this. We are going to go with them later this year.
According to flex armor it's the exact opposite: they want to remove the membrane and apply directly to the wood. They advise against having it applied to the membrane.
They must have changed that bc we talked to the National Sales Manager who stressed that they do NOT want to remove the membrane. They will....for more money but state the product is better when applied to TPO directly.
@@LizAmazing Who is the National Sales Manager?
@@gpatterson319 David Adair
Great video information and what a cute couple.
Thanks so much!!!
Thank you so much for some more great advise that I hope I wont need but glad to know about if i do !! I never say" NEVER"
That's right! These roofs apparently get damaged quite easily! Hope you don't need to use this info either! Happy camping to you!
That is the best way to go. If insurance covers it, go with either of those companies versus The manufacturer tpo junk. I believe they both warranty it for life and rv armor will replace your skylights and other older items on roof. But yes, rv armor is a better way to go if you don't want to have to take it in to them every time you need to make changes.
That's what we're thinking! Thanks so much. We plan to schedule it soon!
I had FlexArmor applied to my roof and absolutely love it. I went through the same considerations you went through but came to a different conclusion than you. I found FlexArmor to be a more “complete” application. I had to drive about 150 miles to the FlexArmor facility. Good video nonetheless.
We agree that FlexArmor is the better product of the two. As fulltimers, we know we'd risk driving hundreds of miles to one of their (only 16) locations each time we needed to make a roof mod. Looking forward to them having A LOT more locations. And glad to hear that you are pleased with their product!
I'm still debating which one to go with. Flex armor is only about an hour from base and I'm not a full timer. My roof is in great condition and i keep maintaining it but i really want to upgrade it, just a matter of priorities and convincing wife of the cost.
Would love to hear an update As to how this held up years later❤
Now that is is almost a year and a half are you still happy with your roof? Also did you guys have the air conditionings removed when you did yours?
New to your channel do you enjoy it very much. Sorry about your roof situation I had similar but it was a windstorm did the damage to my roof from my RV. I have a 44 foot toy hauler went with flexseal I am very happy with them in three years no problems. But we live about 150 miles from one of their facilities. My decision was based on controlled environment and removing all Ac and vents. Good Luck.
We loved FlexArmor and were going to do it but as fulltimers we didn't like the downsides. They are both great and both offer lifetime warranties so you can't go wrong either way.
Excellent research job guys!
Hi Peg! Thanks so much! Once we get this done we can be less afraid of trees!
OK, I'm looking at these 2 options as well and just saw your video. 1st thanks for the even handed review of both products! 2nd now that you've had one of these installed for a year, which one did you pick and what are your thoughts now?
Thanks so much for your comment, Larry. We originally thought we would get RV Armor for sure, for the convenience of them coming to us. BUT then a viewer commented that they had FlexArmor and afterwards brushed a tree and the roof was still good. We do know that FlexArmor is thicker and, like we say in the video, a better product. So we have decided to go with FlexArmor and will do a video with more details later this summer. Stay tuned!
Any follow up. What roofing system did you decide on? If so, are you going to post a video of the repair process?
I think we're going to go with RV armor. We will definitely video the process! Right now we're focused on getting our camper repaired. After that we will schedule with RV Armor. Thank you. And if you are not aware that we crunched our camper, here is the video: th-cam.com/video/Rs4asoBWo_8/w-d-xo.html
I plan on doing a DIY, using eternabond and a roof epoxy.
Probably what I would do for an older RV I'm looking at a 2015 5th wheel likely roof will be needing replacement. I can get a discount and cover the cost of a new roof if I do it myself.
awesome review thank you
Thank you!
@Liz Amazing thank you for sharing great content as always! I'm just wondering, would you consider this option preemptively? Or do you think it would be better to wait until there is an issue and you have the option of an insurance payout? I appreciate any feedback you may have to provide.
I think so! Funny you should ask because Paul and I were just saying if we bought another rig we would get RV Armor put on it. It is an added expense but you never have to go on your roof and do your seams, something that has to be done yearly now with a PDMI and a TPO. Thanks for your great question!
GREAT RV ROOFINNG INFO
Thank you so much! Enjoy your day and see you in the next one.
Could care less about RV. roofing, but Liz your new haircut looks great. Makes you look like Paul’s daughter lol
You are so sweet! Thanks so much.
I just scratch my roof no fun I was trying to be so careful. It’s just 2 small maybe size of a quarter do you think eternaBond will work or would you suggest to replace the whole roof
That RV armor looks like a really good product and good company. Thanks for your help
Hi Mark, Paul here; Months later the Eternabond is still holding and showing no signs of coming up on the repair we did. In fact I just came off the roof where I was inspecting it and it looks as good as the day I put it on.
We still intend to do the RV Armor treatment at some point in the future but as of yet haven't had it done mainly because we haven't in one place long enough to schedule it. I wouldn't hesitate to use Eternabond Tape to cover a small tear, or a large one for that matter.
@@LizAmazing Thank you so much for all your help and information you guys are wonderful sending you positive energy safe travels🙏🏼❤️🤙🏼🏄🏻♂️
LIZ!!! OMGOSH! THE NEW HAIR CUT IS ADORABLE!😁❤
Outstanding info! As we'll be buying a used 5th wheel we just might have to use these services👍👍👍 Thanks you two❤👋👋
Thanks so much Valerie!!! Congrats on your 5th wheel- so exciting and I bet you have lots of things to look forward to this year!
what great "on the ground" info!
LOL, we sure learned a lot! But I guess it's "on the roof" info! We are very impressed with both companies. FlexArmor is a better product but with only 16 stores across the nation that could mean hundreds of miles of travel each time you need to something on the roof. RV Armor all the way for us!
@@LizAmazing good choice. Apparenlty, both products are high quality. It depends on the indvidaul, the locale, and the travel they do that will help create a good choice for them! Well done!
Great Video! ... what type of maintenance is required after? Like cleaning, patching etc. Also Is it UV protected?
No maintenance, just wash as needed. No patching or caulking. This is why we like RV Armor and FlexArmor so much! Both TPO and EDMI require you to get up there and caulk and reseal once a year. And yes on UV protection.
@@LizAmazing so, it's guaranteed to be sealed forever without maintenance at all?
So if you have a brand new motorhome would you put this on after a few years or is something we can do while it's new? I can't see spending the money now when it's new. We use our Motorhome in the winter in Florida and they have a location a 20 miles away
Yes, that's a good idea to just do it it now because the TPO is so fragile. We think RV Armor and FlexArmor are both great. Like we said in the video, one of the downsides of FlexArmor is you have to go to them if you need to replace something on your roof.
I did Rexo seal love the product did just what it said it would but it is a diy product it was a lot of work to prep the roof but termed out fantastic
Good to know. Thanks so much. Sounds like a lot of work but glad to know that's an option.
We have flex armor. Love it.
Yeah, it looks like a great product! I don't think you can go wrong with either FlexArmor or RV Armor.
How long is the rip I had one about 4” I put dicor tape and caulked it for only few bucks??? It been on for about 4 years now
Our rip is 20 feet long! The Eternabond should last for years, and dicor is great stuff, too!
Wow guys - this seems like a pretty stressful ordeal...
Yep, always something.
I am looking at a new trailer and I am just figuring the cost of a roof from RVROOFINSTAL or one of the coatings. That with double Azdel walls I'll be in good shape for years....I hope :) Too bad Grand Design doesn't do Azdel......I would go G.D. if they did. They claim glue doesn't adhere to Azdel but yet GD's owner Winnebago has used Azdel for years....I say B.S. to G.D. on the Azdel claim.
Yeah. Something. They definitely did not have Azdel under consideration when we talked to them last month. Hopefully what they do use as a luan substitute is good enough!
Informative information, love it. How is the patch that you put on to cover the rip, being dealt with? Does the company rip the patch off or cover over it with their product? Always learning something from you two, thanks. 😉
Not sure but it sounds like they will cut the tape out, put the primer down then the cloth and then a couple coats of their product. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Hi Liz and Paul, sorry this happened to you guys. Take a look at rvroofinstall.com. They have a TH-cam channel with many roof installations using a 60 mil industrial roofing membrane. I believe they are located in Georgia. It’s worth checking out. Good luck guys. Enjoy your videos.
Good to know. I think we are going to go with RV Armor though because we won't have to travel all the way to Georgia and with the lifetime guarantee for the life of the trailer, we feel good about it. Glad to know there are other options out there. Glad to hear you are enjoying our channel. See you in the next video.
I called RVRoofinstall and to replace my roof membrane was going to be10K including repairing the rot around the A/C. I have a 2016 Grand Design 303RLS, the seal under the Aft A/C leaked and caused the roof deck to rot. Also had a quote from RV Flex Armor to do the same work and it was around $7200
Since you’re RV is relatively new doesn’t still have a warranty on the roof And how that work when you’re now putting another product over the top of it ?
Yes, it's under warranty. And insurance will pay for a new TPO. But with TPO being like tissue paper, we won't be going that route again. And that's what we thought, that the product is only as good as what it's applied to. But as we say in the video, the material bonds to the original membrane and it becomes a new stronger surface. This is why both companies can offer a lifetime warranty for the life of the coach- doesn't matter how many owners.
Do they apply to the slides also, have had leaks from slides from bad seals.
I don't know that they do slides, is your slide roof leaking? I wonder if new seals and toppers will help.
It was with a previous camper, only had it for 2 years when I went to trade it in they found water damage on the bottom of slide.
Curious, did you contact Grand Design to see having either repair option impact, if at all, Grand Designs' warranty since yours is 2020? The lifetime warranty from the repair options is a huge peace of mind, great job in your research and comparison of the two!
Grand Design's warranty for the roof is 12 years but that's a non-issue since both of these offer lifetime warranties. We definitely do not want to put TPO on there as it is far too fragile. Tissue Paper.
@@LizAmazing strike 4 for GD! What is TPO. I will have to look at Alliance's roof.
By linear foot -- as opposed to, I guess, square foot? -- do you mean that if you have a 20 foot long roof, RV Armor will charge 20 x $150/linear foot = $3000.00 for a RV roof no matter how wide?
Yes, it's all sold by linear foot. I guess they are all pretty much the same width with just a few inches give and take here and there.
@@LizAmazing RV Armor does have a minimum fee of ~$3400 so lengths
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for shopping! Have a great weekend!!
This is another good reason why you should never mount solar panels to your roof. Imagine having to remove/reinstall all that PV. Keep the panels on the ground.
Some people do that. Thanks for watching Daniel.
How the roof holding?How old it is?
We haven't yet put on the new roof. The Eternabond tape has been holding up just fine. Thanks for watching.
Did you look at PVC? Super durable and if you tear it you can patch easy and have a permanent bond that you can do yourself on the spot.
We've heard of them but don't know anything about them. Paul says he will do some research. If it's EPDM, then we know it's no more durable than TPO.
Hi guys 👋...thanks for the info...don't have any one of those roofs...but it is still good to know...looking at Mt Rushmore and moab utah this year...what about you you guys??....think we might cross paths??...take care..stay safe...J&A
We'd love to see you!!! Our plans are in a constant state of flux. We did Moab and Rushmore last summer so I don't think we will be in that area this year. Bummer. Excited for you about your plans, especially Moab!!! That area is unbelievable!
@@LizAmazing thank...were did you stay...we are looking and making plans...if things don't get too crazy...
Trade it in time" that will fix both repairs. ;)
There you go!!!
Just waiting on an estimate on my roof where the insurance would not cover. Water seepage so I am going to have that area patched and then go this route and cover the whole roof. In the 45 years I have had been around RVs this is the first roof issue I have encountered. This goes to show just how the quality control is and how unregulated the RV industry is. Sad state of affairs.... Thanks for the information...
You are so welcome. Either RV Armor or FlexArmor will be way cheaper than TPO. Glad to hear you are going to get the whole roof done. Wishing you a fabulous camping season!
Camping not happening retirement and fulltime here......😁😎
had ares done a yr a go very happy
Yay! So glad to hear this. We expect to have our roof done later this year.
Flex-Armor is not an option for me. I'm in SF area in CA and have to drive to OR or AZ for one of their nearest facilities. RV-Armor is quoting $150/ft for their product for my 29' RV, that's $4,350 but they quoted me $7,350 for the job because they have to remove the entire roof and a corner section of plywood. I think that's way too high, don't you?
I don't know about that. If they have to do all that work, that is pretty labor-intensive. I guess you could get a second estimate. We will be going with RV Armor more later this year. We have to schedule it out far enough in advance and get our schedules to align. Let us know how it goes.
the linear foot cost, what does that translate to for a regular say 25 ft RV?
We give the linear prices per foot in the video. Just multiply that by the length of your roof. Thanks for watching!
@@LizAmazing Thankyou guys.
Hi Liz, My name is Dave and I run the Flexarmor location in Pigeon Forge, TN. I wanted to correct the misinformation in your video! David Adair is with Flexarmor. Other that that, I think you had a lot of good points. I though it was well considered and well produced.
Hi Dave! Whoops thanks so much about that. It should have said David Hamilton who is the sales director for RV Armor. And thanks for your kind words about our video!
@@LizAmazing I would love to hear about your experience with the other guys. I was of course disappointed in your choice for the obvious reason. But I am honestly curious what your roof looks like in the coming years. I put mine on my camper about 6 months ago. If you ever get to Pigeon Forge, Tn. I would love to host you at our shop so you can do an honest follow up in the years to come. Please be safe in your travels.
@@Longshiprv Thanks David! We have not done the roof repair yet. We messed up the back corner of our camper and that took a few months to get it fixed. We are just now ready to schedule the repair. We love FlexArmor and it seems to be the better product. BUT, as we say in the video, the drawbacks of there being so few locations means we likely would have to drive hundreds of miles should we need to work on our solar or replace a roof vent. Since both FlexArmor and RV Armor offer lifetime guarantees, we feel choosing RV Armor is the way to go. They will come to us, and they will give us product to use down the line if we need to make any roof modifications. Once FlexArmor is more convenient, then that will be the way to go. Thanks again!
Is a RV Flex Armor Roof a good choice for Winnebago?
Don't see why not. If it needs a roof, then YES!
You may alos check Tge Roof Man.
Their product is life time, its also fire proof. They are able to rebuild yiur total roof, or miner repairs. Check out their web site. It is a rubber base product.
My rv came with it been on the roof for 4 years.
Hadn't heard of them, thank you!
Have you had one or the other done yet?
I am looking at Crazy Seal, which I understand is a DIY version of RV Armor. Quite a savings if you are able and willing to do the labor yourself. Is anyone familiar with this product? Thanks
We haven't heard of it but maybe someone on this page can answer. Do some googling and as much research as you can. Best of luck, Peter!
Just got a camper and trying to figure out which option to use
Yes. We were originally going to go with RV Armor. But after talking with them, we realized we would have to move out of our RV anyway so the fact they come to you is not a big benefit, as a fulltime RVer. Now we are going to go with FlexArmor. Stay tuned for our video in the Fall about it.
I had My 40 foot cyclone toyhauler re roofed at rvroof in Denton TX I would highly recommend this shop. Would like to talk if you need info on details of our experience.message me
Did you asked about the chemicals smell if any?
That's a great question. Either one has that potential!
@C. W. Sayre I feel like if anyone at an rv park saw this going on and smelled any smells they would understand. I want all of the rv community to be on the road and having as much fun as we are. Maintenance is a must and you have to protect you're livelihood. What do you think?
This repair is probably the most economical way to go, but I just do not trust the adhesion of the roofs the manufacturers are installing. Seems like I see more campers going down the road with their roofs ballooning up. Unfortunately these coatings will not help this issue at all.
If you want to learn more about this check out AZExpert James, he has lots of videos about fixing RV roofs.. great information.
Here is one of his recent roof videos:
th-cam.com/video/bmUNALxxAZg/w-d-xo.html
Yes, we have heard about the roofs ballooning up. This won't happen with RV Armor or FlexArmor on top of the TPO. Their product bonds to the TPO and becomes a new stronger surface.
Thanks god bless
Thank you for watching, John! See you in my latest video.
Which ever one you choose I hope it turns out great for you...
Thanks so much Jack! And watch out for those trees!!
Which one did you decide?
Great question! At first we thought we were going to go with RV Armor for the convenience of having the work done on the road. They will come to us. Plus if a touch-up is needed, RV Armor gives you some caulk. With FlexArmor, we would have to go to one of their shops, and there's not that many.
THEN we realized even if we do RV Armor, we still need to move out of our rig while the work is done (just like with FlexArmor). After that, we heard from a viewer who said they got FlexArmor and later scraped the roof. The rubber was so thick it withstood the scrape. That convinced us!!!
SO...we canceled our RV Armor appt and made an appt with FlexArmor. Stay tuned for a video later this summer! (And we don't think you can go wrong either way!)
Did you consider Rhino Linings?
Had not heard of them except in relation to truck beds. This stuff is basically the same thing. We are pretty sure we will go with RV Armor for the reasons we listed in the video.
We have the Rhino lining. We are having to have it replaced. The product manufacturer does not warrant the product but instead leaves each applicator to warrant it. They will always blame applicator error. Needless to say, our applicator is out of business. The issue is that unlike these two products, the Rhino roof does not flex. We have cracks all along the edge of the roof. We are currently researching between the same two products Liz is, and also whether we should have the Rhino removed or gone over. Thanks Liz and Paul for a thorough comparison of the two. We still have our own research to do, but you helped us by giving us additional thoughts to consider and questions to ask each company.
Insurance is a business. If you make a claim for tree collision your rates will skyrocket!!!!! Trade in value plummets with an aftermarket roof that is not OEM from their configuration manual. That tree branch scrape needed a piece of Eterna bond tape properly installed. Eterna bond will outlast all of us !!!!! Looky at the RV Geeks, their Tape is 15 years old and looks new, still to this day!!!
I can't imagine that trade-in value would do anything but go up with a lifetime transferable roof warranty. Especially since TPO is so fragile. Knowing what we know now, if we were shopping we'd be looking for a coated roof. And, yes, insurance is a business so our rates could likely go up. But that's what insurance is for, so we're good with that. Grateful. Agreed that Eternabond will outlast us all, LOL!
45’ roll of TPO is $750 mayb less.
I bet! They sure mark it up big time. Thanks for watching.
Ditch that monster 5th wheel and get an ambulance or class C. Can't imagine the stress and trouble of pulling a house around.
Even a bad day RVing beats being stationary in a house for us! We love RV life and see no end in sight. Thanks for watching and see you in the next video. Oh, and here's what happened when we drove a Class A motorhome: th-cam.com/video/ILqN1Z3REls/w-d-xo.html
Hang on to your warranty, just incase there’s another TP shortage.
Good deal!
Have you had it applied?
Not yet, we will keep you updated.
After digging deeper and comparing the two, I'm convinced RV Armor is inferior to Flex Armor. There's no comparison.
Since we made this video, we have come to the same conclusion. Flex Armor is much thicker! Thanks for watching, Robert!