Most Arab Armies are built to protect their regimes from their own people , not face foreign armies . So most of the time , they are thugs in uniforms who intimidate and terrorise civilians . The regime would have a few elite regiments, but most of the army is poor quality to avoid giving the army the ability to overthrow the regime . Internal arabic politics make Byzantine one look mild . Most aren't nation-states, but a regime held by a family or autocracy with the country being a patch work of tribes , sects , castes, or minorities with no national sense of unity .
That's exactly why sudan has such a gruesome war. The sides fighting as actually the army factions made by the previous deposed dictator. He design it that way to keep himself away from a potencial coup. Didn't work, the 2 factions united temporarily to coup him. And now they are fighting for absolute power against one another. And sudan is in the state it is, sudanese being displaced and starving.
They lack strategy and still believe it is the 700 AD. There isn't an Arab army today that can win a war against Iran let alone a European army or Israeli army.
You tip-toe around the real issues for 51 minutes and then, finally, when you simply have no choice but to cover the meat of the reasons why Arabs are incompetent at war, you move the rest of the discussion behind a paywall? What a cheap move. I have now unsubscribed.
Cheap? It's his prerogative to run his business and channel as he does, as it is yours to subscribe or not. To me, he put a lot of work into this, whereas you just enjoyed the fruits of his labour. The only one coming off looking "cheap" is you.
Thanks, now I will block this channel from my feed. I don’t have a problem with someone asking for payment. But I do have a problem with disingenuous bait and switch tactics…
We were told in Kuwait that most Arab armies didn't have very good radio and digital communications ability because their ruling regimes frowned on them training on it in peacetime. An army that can communicate is an army that can coordinate a coup to overthrow the regime.
Call me simplistic, but they weren’t fighting under the banner of Allah and his messenger or to lift oppression. Ethnocentric-nationalism has no place in Islam
@@ashcarrier6606 bad radios this, no communications that, only a poor excuse. Ethnonationalism and Arabism and Baathist crap was their downfall. Many of those leading were downright confused Marxist ideologues also when they were already reeling from the effects of their colonial collaborators.
bro, you did a good job a few times, but I can not get behind your policy of cutting the episodes in half and putting the other part behind a paywall. do special episodes and add stuff for patreon, but this is strange. especially because your introduction is misleading. tell straight away what you do, like...dunno, sam harris. last I watched was paetreus and it ended okay. it s a pity. you lost me on this. still, wish you all the best.
The reason why Jordan was less bad than the other countries in 1948 is because the Jordanian army was made up of British. The commanders were British, they were the difference
There is a distinct Arab aversion of performing physical labour and all that comes with it. Even for lower-class Fedayeen being assigned to combat equipment, like (Centurion) tanks, Arab troops make a clear distinction between actual fighting and the activities that make that they are capable of performing these, like maintenance and operational security. The actual fighting is top of the priority-list. Then a veeeeeerrrrry long item piece of absolutely nothing other than abhorrance and utter disdain for that manual labour involved in maintenance, training and such. Then there are the barracks duties, traditions and ceremonies, which are again rated very highly. The mere idea of having to apply a grease-gun to do running maintenance in combat-breaks, turns an Arab tank-crew's stomach, since that is considered to be below the rated level as fighting military personnel. So it is skipped. The Arab world is extremely class sensitive and stratified where levels absolutely not mix and often have loyalties to their own class or faction first. If their officers and cadre are not of their own faction, class and/or level, then it is unwise to expect cohesion and loyalty within the unit and any performance other than stricly theatrically performative will go straight out the window.
Arab militias are rarely facing competent opposition in conventional conflicts, and generally they’re saved by the grace of politics and international associations.
I knew a 25ID veteran of the 1st battle of Mosul who calls the phenomenon of young Arab fighters running out in the open, spraying and praying as "stupid brave" I know exactly what he meant and of course the line between bravery and stupidity is fine.
If you look at the history of China, you will realize that the Song dynasty is weak compare to others. This is because the founder of Song dynasty overthrown the previous emperor thru a coup. To prevent the same thing happen to him or his descendant. He consolidate all military commands into his own hand thru a top down approach. From that moment onwards, his army have never won an offensive battle. This is because his commanders must follow his plan of attack. If his commanders want to change the plan, they must send a letter and a map to explain why and get his permission before they are allow to do so. Otherwise, they will be treated as disobedience and punish with death. This kind of inflexibility is fatal during battle. Commanders are promoted based on loyalties and not based on competency or experiences. This is same thing for those Arab countries where the regime gained political power thru a coup. The ruler have zero trust for those commanders in the battle field.
Ummmm, posting incomplete presentation are a very bad and even cruddy and disgracecul way of raising revenue by hiding the rest in Patreon. I will therefore no more frequent this channel and advise anyone else from going there.
You just wasted 51 minutes of my time. Let people know right at the beginning that you’re going to screw them at the end with a paywall. I’m unsubscribing and eliminating from my feed. Brutal.
@@will._.x_.861unfortunately, they still do. Slavery ended officially in most Arab countries in the middle of the last century, but some places like Mauritania still have tons of slaves. Also, in Arabic, in most Arab countries, they refer to blacks as ‘slaves’ in everyday conversation. It’s like the ‘slave neighborhood’ in Gaza city. It’s still called that today
@ I was thinking that the Ottoman Empire relied on these troops they called Janissaries. From what I understand, they were largely made up of Christian boys from the Balkans.
Israel has produced great generals like Rafael Eitan, David Elazar, Ariel Sharon, Yonatan Netanyahu, Moshe Dayan, among others. On the opposite side you´ve got incredible losers like Hafez al-Assad, a terrible coward and mediocre general who took power violently and lost a war with Israel even though Syria had lots of tanks and airplane from the USSR. In Egypt, same story, Gamal Abdel Nasser, Hussein of Jordan, the first took power and established a military junta, the second had become a king propped up by Britain. Arab countries have to find a way to produce generals, but the problem is as soon as they are created, they try to take power and become dictators.
Great conversation. One reason that doesn't get mentioned a lot is Army's do well when they are forged out of indigenous experiences like a civil war. Most of the Arab Army's who lose or get disintegrate at the first contact are copycats Army's either from the west or the Russians. Another thing is that there is no sharing of experience and expertise among the comonderes. The incentive is for the individual comonderes to be the only one with the knowledge.
Is it the same reason they suck at soccer ⚽️? Yes. Completely Missing the industrial revolution. But also if he's saying in an information age playjng fields even out then they should improve at both and maybe already have.
I wonder how much an impact geography has. There are some mountainous areas, but there’s a whole lot of flat desert. The region’s water availability drives population location. It seems like, relative to most others, the folk who occupy these lands have much less protection from geography.
When their allegiance was to Allah and his messenger none could defeat them or the ummah. Anyone who harbours ethnonationalism is doomed to fail, and especially is humiliated quickly if they profess to be of the believers. That is why they failed and will continue to fail unless they get back to the true bath.
Not having watched this yet, I will take a guess it has something to do with tribal and/or religious loyalties. Which, I think in the case of Gaddafi's Libya, was an issue (tribal).
Lybia case is a bit diferent. Ghadafi generals turned on him cause he was ordering the military to attack unarmed civilians (arab spring). It wasn't all, but some of them. Tribalism exists there but they weren't the main driver. The civil war that followed had a lot of tribalism influence.
I'd be interested in a similar hard look at American fighting forces, because to be honest, my impression is that they have won what they have won since (and including) WW2 largely as a result of superior industrial power, rather than any intrinsic efficiency of either troops or command, both of which seem to me to be suboptimal.
Better equipment than Israel or the USA or the UK? Riiiight. Which foes have Arab armies fought? Israel, USA/UK, The World in 1990, Iraq vs Iran, Lybia vs Chad maybe qualifies. So Chad won as underdog, Iran and Iraq fought a bloody tie, and otherwise Arab armies have lost to the strongest military technology in human history. How mystifying.
Arab militaries and Israel were mostly even throughout the 60s and 70s because they were supplied by the Soviets pretty heavily. The United States fought Iraq in 1991. It was the fourth largest army in the world and considered to be a heavyweight, which made their defeat so quickly shocking
@@kurtwicklund8901 Are you high? How is getting attacked by EVERY surrounding Arab country being "more numerous"? A simple check on Wiki shows it was more like a 2-to-1 disparity...in the Arab state's favor.
@@kurtwicklund8901 A simple check of wiki shows that is untrue. How is getting attacked by EVERY surrounding Arab state make the Israelis "more numerous"?
The US drew in the Korean War, lost Vietnam, demolished iraq in 1991, conquered and occupied Afghanistan for 20 years, conquered and occupied Iraq again (US is still there!). That nets out to 3-1-1. Mind you, none of these conflicts were full scale wars for the US, as the US never officially declared war or moved to a war time economy.
Most Arab Armies are built to protect their regimes from their own people , not face foreign armies . So most of the time , they are thugs in uniforms who intimidate and terrorise civilians .
The regime would have a few elite regiments, but most of the army is poor quality to avoid giving the army the ability to overthrow the regime .
Internal arabic politics make Byzantine one look mild . Most aren't nation-states, but a regime held by a family or autocracy with the country being a patch work of tribes , sects , castes, or minorities with no national sense of unity .
This is the most important point!
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That's exactly why sudan has such a gruesome war. The sides fighting as actually the army factions made by the previous deposed dictator. He design it that way to keep himself away from a potencial coup. Didn't work, the 2 factions united temporarily to coup him. And now they are fighting for absolute power against one another. And sudan is in the state it is, sudanese being displaced and starving.
They lack strategy and still believe it is the 700 AD. There isn't an Arab army today that can win a war against Iran let alone a European army or Israeli army.
You tip-toe around the real issues for 51 minutes and then, finally, when you simply have no choice but to cover the meat of the reasons why Arabs are incompetent at war, you move the rest of the discussion behind a paywall? What a cheap move. I have now unsubscribed.
Cheap? It's his prerogative to run his business and channel as he does, as it is yours to subscribe or not. To me, he put a lot of work into this, whereas you just enjoyed the fruits of his labour. The only one coming off looking "cheap" is you.
Thanks, now I will block this channel from my feed.
I don’t have a problem with someone asking for payment. But I do have a problem with disingenuous bait and switch tactics…
I just clicked on to this video. And read this. You have just saved me 51 minutes thanks
As I started to wonder for how much longer he can talk around the topic I took a look at the comments. It safed me another 45 minutes.
You just saved me a minute
We were told in Kuwait that most Arab armies didn't have very good radio and digital communications ability because their ruling regimes frowned on them training on it in peacetime.
An army that can communicate is an army that can coordinate a coup to overthrow the regime.
Call me simplistic, but they weren’t fighting under the banner of Allah and his messenger or to lift oppression. Ethnocentric-nationalism has no place in Islam
@MM-tw7pu Who mentioned any of this?
@@ashcarrier6606 bad radios this, no communications that, only a poor excuse. Ethnonationalism and Arabism and Baathist crap was their downfall. Many of those leading were downright confused Marxist ideologues also when they were already reeling from the effects of their colonial collaborators.
bro, you did a good job a few times, but I can not get behind your policy of cutting the episodes in half and putting the other part behind a paywall.
do special episodes and add stuff for patreon, but this is strange. especially because your introduction is misleading. tell straight away what you do, like...dunno, sam harris.
last I watched was paetreus and it ended okay.
it s a pity. you lost me on this.
still, wish you all the best.
The reason why Jordan was less bad than the other countries in 1948 is because the Jordanian army was made up of British. The commanders were British, they were the difference
There is a distinct Arab aversion of performing physical labour and all that comes with it. Even for lower-class Fedayeen being assigned to combat equipment, like (Centurion) tanks, Arab troops make a clear distinction between actual fighting and the activities that make that they are capable of performing these, like maintenance and operational security. The actual fighting is top of the priority-list. Then a veeeeeerrrrry long item piece of absolutely nothing other than abhorrance and utter disdain for that manual labour involved in maintenance, training and such. Then there are the barracks duties, traditions and ceremonies, which are again rated very highly. The mere idea of having to apply a grease-gun to do running maintenance in combat-breaks, turns an Arab tank-crew's stomach, since that is considered to be below the rated level as fighting military personnel. So it is skipped.
The Arab world is extremely class sensitive and stratified where levels absolutely not mix and often have loyalties to their own class or faction first. If their officers and cadre are not of their own faction, class and/or level, then it is unwise to expect cohesion and loyalty within the unit and any performance other than stricly theatrically performative will go straight out the window.
What a sneaky way to get patreon subscribers. I want to hear the rest but I won’t on principle.
Im always impressed how much the arab regular units suck, however im equally impressed how effective arab militias are.
Arab militias are rarely facing competent opposition in conventional conflicts, and generally they’re saved by the grace of politics and international associations.
It’s because of the monkey bars
@@mikhacoffman4522what a joke.
Militias? Lol.
They're just t e r r o r i s t groups facing cilviians
Tribal society
I knew a 25ID veteran of the 1st battle of Mosul who calls the phenomenon of young Arab fighters running out in the open, spraying and praying as "stupid brave"
I know exactly what he meant and of course the line between bravery and stupidity is fine.
If you look at the history of China, you will realize that the Song dynasty is weak compare to others. This is because the founder of Song dynasty overthrown the previous emperor thru a coup. To prevent the same thing happen to him or his descendant. He consolidate all military commands into his own hand thru a top down approach. From that moment onwards, his army have never won an offensive battle. This is because his commanders must follow his plan of attack. If his commanders want to change the plan, they must send a letter and a map to explain why and get his permission before they are allow to do so. Otherwise, they will be treated as disobedience and punish with death. This kind of inflexibility is fatal during battle. Commanders are promoted based on loyalties and not based on competency or experiences. This is same thing for those Arab countries where the regime gained political power thru a coup. The ruler have zero trust for those commanders in the battle field.
Ummmm, posting incomplete presentation are a very bad and even cruddy and disgracecul way of raising revenue by hiding the rest in Patreon.
I will therefore no more frequent this channel and advise anyone else from going there.
This video should be about 42 seconds long.
You just wasted 51 minutes of my time. Let people know right at the beginning that you’re going to screw them at the end with a paywall. I’m unsubscribing and eliminating from my feed. Brutal.
Because they dont have slaves anymore to fight for them
Thank you, dude I was gonna just say that
@@will._.x_.861unfortunately, they still do. Slavery ended officially in most Arab countries in the middle of the last century, but some places like Mauritania still have tons of slaves. Also, in Arabic, in most Arab countries, they refer to blacks as ‘slaves’ in everyday conversation. It’s like the ‘slave neighborhood’ in Gaza city. It’s still called that today
@ I was thinking that the Ottoman Empire relied on these troops they called Janissaries. From what I understand, they were largely made up of Christian boys from the Balkans.
@ fair enough. How many times were Egypt, Algeria, and the levant ruled by people transplanted from the balkans and enslaved? At least 5 times.
@@will._.x_.861
Turks are not arabs
Arabs conquered the region when they were muslims and a minority
Israel has produced great generals like Rafael Eitan, David Elazar, Ariel Sharon, Yonatan Netanyahu, Moshe Dayan, among others. On the opposite side you´ve got incredible losers like Hafez al-Assad, a terrible coward and mediocre general who took power violently and lost a war with Israel even though Syria had lots of tanks and airplane from the USSR. In Egypt, same story, Gamal Abdel Nasser, Hussein of Jordan, the first took power and established a military junta, the second had become a king propped up by Britain. Arab countries have to find a way to produce generals, but the problem is as soon as they are created, they try to take power and become dictators.
Wonderful discussion, very insightful and nuanced.
Great conversation. One reason that doesn't get mentioned a lot is Army's do well when they are forged out of indigenous experiences like a civil war. Most of the Arab Army's who lose or get disintegrate at the first contact are copycats Army's either from the west or the Russians.
Another thing is that there is no sharing of experience and expertise among the comonderes. The incentive is for the individual comonderes to be the only one with the knowledge.
Is it the same reason they suck at soccer ⚽️? Yes. Completely Missing the industrial revolution. But also if he's saying in an information age playjng fields even out then they should improve at both and maybe already have.
OMG! If this guy is so reluctant to speak, then why come on the show??? Just spit it out already!
I wonder how much an impact geography has.
There are some mountainous areas, but there’s a whole lot of flat desert. The region’s water availability drives population location.
It seems like, relative to most others, the folk who occupy these lands have much less protection from geography.
Geography has lots of times been the main factor in how cultures developed.
When their allegiance was to Allah and his messenger none could defeat them or the ummah. Anyone who harbours ethnonationalism is doomed to fail, and especially is humiliated quickly if they profess to be of the believers. That is why they failed and will continue to fail unless they get back to the true bath.
Great interview
Somewhat hot take: magical thinking also known as religion?
TL;DW anyone?
Iran isn't Arab. If he means Muzzy then he should say Muzzy.
Not having watched this yet, I will take a guess it has something to do with tribal and/or religious loyalties. Which, I think in the case of Gaddafi's Libya, was an issue (tribal).
Lybia case is a bit diferent. Ghadafi generals turned on him cause he was ordering the military to attack unarmed civilians (arab spring). It wasn't all, but some of them. Tribalism exists there but they weren't the main driver. The civil war that followed had a lot of tribalism influence.
Do Arabs get onto many wars in the 2030s?
I'd be interested in a similar hard look at American fighting forces, because to be honest, my impression is that they have won what they have won since (and including) WW2 largely as a result of superior industrial power, rather than any intrinsic efficiency of either troops or command, both of which seem to me to be suboptimal.
U should research usa wars and battles a bit more.
Look up what the National Training Center at Fort Irwin is, and how it affected the Gulf War.
Better equipment than Israel or the USA or the UK? Riiiight.
Which foes have Arab armies fought? Israel, USA/UK, The World in 1990, Iraq vs Iran, Lybia vs Chad maybe qualifies. So Chad won as underdog, Iran and Iraq fought a bloody tie, and otherwise Arab armies have lost to the strongest military technology in human history.
How mystifying.
You forgot to add that in many of those wars, they were EQUIPPED with the same level of tech.
Name all these numerous wars. 1948 the tech was about even but the Israeli forcez were more numerous.
The whole premise is false.
Arab militaries and Israel were mostly even throughout the 60s and 70s because they were supplied by the Soviets pretty heavily. The United States fought Iraq in 1991. It was the fourth largest army in the world and considered to be a heavyweight, which made their defeat so quickly shocking
@@kurtwicklund8901 Are you high? How is getting attacked by EVERY surrounding Arab country being "more numerous"? A simple check on Wiki shows it was more like a 2-to-1 disparity...in the Arab state's favor.
@@kurtwicklund8901 A simple check of wiki shows that is untrue. How is getting attacked by EVERY surrounding Arab state make the Israelis "more numerous"?
Don't watch.! Bait & switch. Kenneth M. Pollack is available on other TH-cam videos.
They were pretty effective in the 7th and 8th century😅
And what about before? Come on, this is not even funny.
This guy doesn’t answer a question. He is giving us word salad
Before the 8th Century Arabs lived only in ... wait for it ... Arabia mostly.
Arab toy army cripple by design.
For Israeli interest
Next vid should be - why usa loose every conflict after ww2 😂😂😂😂
Umm Iraq, hello?
@@EvoraGT430 why can't Russia build planes, cars, computers, chips, washing machines?
Why is Russia still a third world country?😂
The US drew in the Korean War, lost Vietnam, demolished iraq in 1991, conquered and occupied Afghanistan for 20 years, conquered and occupied Iraq again (US is still there!).
That nets out to 3-1-1. Mind you, none of these conflicts were full scale wars for the US, as the US never officially declared war or moved to a war time economy.