Forgotten Mysteries You've Never Heard Of
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
- Unveil the enigmas of history! Delve into ancient riddles - from Malta's megaliths to Indus script, Rohonc Codex, and Eleusinian secrets. A journey ending in unexpected inspiration. Intrigue awaits!
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I would love more of all of these subjects. Indus valley, Pythagoreans, greek cults and/or Mediterranean cultures, eastern European history, all of it.
I agree. I want a deep dive on all of it, too, especially the Story behind Pythagoreanism cult.
Q/"How did the ancients make a Maltese Cross ?" A/ - Tweak his nose "
If you enjoy stuff like that Graham Hancock might be right up your alley! Take it with a grain of salt as his theories are often disproven or disputed, but his documentary is well produced and still fun to think about!
Linguist here.
In terms of the Indus Valley symbols shown at 11:07, I would (in case anyone is interested) say that it's highly likely that the symbols all represent a single object or phonetic sound but they might be slightly altered to indicate gender, plurality, ownership or other indications related to the context of the connotation (think: Polish noun forms and determiners).
I.E. the symbols could convey 'my butterfly','her butterfly', 'two butterflies', 'the dead butterflies from the past', etc.
It is unlikely, in my opinion, that each symbol connotes a distinct and separate meaning/sound since ancient communication always favored function over form.
What this means is that due to limited materials, the imperative of being clearly understood, and the relative time and effort necessary to compose the written language would negate stylistic/artistic choices and lead us to believe that there was a definite intention to convey meaning rather than aesthetics.
That's just my two cents. I could be dead wrong.
I gave my 2½yr old nephew a piece of chalk and the first thing he drew was the ol "twig and berries ". (Pretty good depiction too) Humans gonna human.
I would love an Indus Valley civilization deep dive. My best friend is a pre-vedic Hindu by way of Guyana so now really enjoy any pre-vedic history.
You mean he's a Jain?
By the way of Guyana? U mean Guyanese?
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We don't actually know what genetic connection present-day Indians have to the people of the Indus Valley civilization.
@@anthonysaunders345yes we're the oldest culture and civilization still alive and still being continuing
I agree with Simon, honestly, our ancestors were probably painting boobs on cave walls 30,000 years ago.
Wonder when the drawing penis' fab started.....never understood that....just why?
I can't let this opportunity for a movie quote to pass by, "I do not envy you the headache you will have when you awake. But for now, rest well and dream of large women."
After that fight, Fezzik deserved all the booba dreams
My favorite movie! ❤
Yes Simon, I would like to see a video (or a part of a video) on the Pythagoreans.
I really appreciate you covering the Indus Valley civilization as it gets too little attention. I visited the Punjab when traveling in Pakistan in the early 1980s, so I am interested in topics from this area.
As for decoding the writing of the Indus Civilization, it reminds me of the Mayan system of writing. If I remember correctly archaeologists pecked away at the problem for decades until one very young man cracked the code. Genius is where you find it, and no one can predict when it will occur. Let's keep our fingers crossed...
I'd also would like the pathagorian video
Yeah, the person in question is still the foremost expert on Mesoamerican script. But if there is common thread in writing systems it seems to be their use in government declarations, like the naming of kings, property rights and legal contracts. Odds are the tablets are shipping contracts and ownership documents.
@@TK199999yes, I would say they are auditing/accounting records, which is why the Sumerian language and the Phoenician language was created.
Maybe it's just cause I have been rereading the Dune series (all of them) over the Summer. But I can't help hear the description of the Temple in Malta and not think the lowermost floor is probably just cistern for freshwater during the summer months which is why the stairs don't go all the way to the lower level's floor; you probably didn't need to go any lower to collect water and they used this as an early warning that water supply was getting too low to last much longer. Likely the temple was more of a Town Center in a Religious State hence having an upper floor that is more general, an inner set of temples on the second floor, and a massive vault of a room with no obvious purpose and a strange almost hidden stairwell. It likely served as a temple and collection/distribution center run by the Clerics that doubled as government.
A cistern is a fascinating idea to solve the riddle, but would there not be some evidence of stored water? Long-term water lines, dried bacteria or mineral build-up related to water being found in the rock, etc.? Of course, this assumes that they'd even test for that, but the microscopic work of archaeology has become pretty remarkable of late.
Sietch Malta
when he said the steps ended before the floor, the first thing I thought of was that it was full of water. My brain went to a bathing pool or just controlling rain/groundwater, but a cistern for drinking water is a cool thought!
@@donaldwatson7698 Totally there would be. This is why I don't assume I solved it, I am sure this idea has been proposed by the professionals and either finding it was not used for water storage or inconclusive. This was just my brain woolgathering.
I think your description of what the building's purposes were is pretty much correct. The culture was most likely Matriarchal and fertility based. There is quite a bit of archaeological evidence to back that up.
Thanks for doing The Lady of the Seinne, one I (and others I'm sure) suggested a while ago. The Laerdall CPR dolls have helped countless people and will continue to for generations!
The mystery of the Rohonc Codex makes me want to play the long game and fake some "important literature from an unknown language", writing some lengthy text in a fictional language with few, if any, hints to how to translate it, then either bury it in a time capsule that says not to open it until 2400 or something, or pass it down to my future kids and have them pass it down to theirs, so on and so forth, all so that in some distant era, when people find it, they spend ages trying to decode and translate the "lamguage", thrown off by a lot of random gibberish and such to complicate it, only for the it to somewhere say something like "Dear historians and archeologists of the future. I just wasted your time."
Hi Kahadi. Have you heard the saying, "As you sow, so shall you reap"? It says in effect that in the end we all get exactly what we deserve, no more and no less. So your dreams might come true. If I was King of Karma, I'd make sure that YOU were reborn to become the scientist of 2400 who frustrates his life away trying to decipher the nonsense he'd created 400 years previously when he was you. And part of your experience as that scientist would be to receive yourself the public humiliation and scorn that you're planning for others. As King of Karma I'd laugh at you just as you're gleefully laughing at making yourself a "force for ignorance" in the future. Can you see any moral fault in my plan? Take an honest look at yourself too. Cheers, P.R.
How about videos on modern mysteries? Such as how does Simon make so many videos across so many channels?
Unsolveable!
I know this is a joke, but the answer is; work-ethic, and the love of money(also, he should have been a teacher 30 years ago, bc he just wants us all to learn things, and make sure we value fact more then legend)
Leveraging the work of others. Pitch meetings, script writers, videographers, editors/error proofreaders , social media account managers, so rather then him doing the 100’s of hours of work to run them all he pays others so he can be the ‘face’ just filming 75 percent pf his worth time hours. He’s smart and dedicated and you don’t get to a value of (per internet google) 30-40 million net worth without figuring out how typically to build a team. I just hope he is paying it forward to them!
He has two identical twins.
@@EmeraldEyesEsoteric Wouldn't that make them triplets?
Best episode in ages Simon, thoroughly entertaining and makes me want to research the separate topics more, 10/10.
Such a lovely comment thank you, makes it all worth it :)
@@anguskeenan4932for whom do you speak?
@@tommydaniels1805apparently that’s Simons 7045th account
@@tommydaniels1805 for the institution of Simon Whistler
This was a top tier video. As for the teaser, I had heard of the unknown girl's death mask and how it was used for CPR Annie before, and I obviously knew "Annie, are you okay" but I NEVER knew they were connected before! That's particularly crazy since I know back before google, yahoo, or even Ask Jeeves, I wondered what that song was really about but never found out.
My honeymoon cruise included Malta. It is truly one of the most beautiful places on Earth and has an amazing history.
Have you been to British Columbia, Canada?
Less history, but so beautiful 😍
@@asylumental little Hollywood? No, but I have heard the mountains are gorgeous!
My niece is currently working there. Beautiful place.
Can't believe they documented the structures on Malta 7000 years ago! Now that's dedication
I would love to see you cover the Harrapan civilisation and the Pythagoean cult would be a good one too. It is said that Helen of Troy was the face that launched a thousand ships, but that pales into insignificance alongside the lives saved by Annie who is probably also the most kissed woman in history.
The first step of CPR training: "Annie, Annie, are you ok?"
As a teacher, I would love to see more on Pythagoras, especially if the Cult of Zero could be covered as well!
My uni class travelled to Eleysis for a project of which I was head of, focusing around the cult, the arcitecture of the various structures that evolved from 700BCE to the late Roman times when the place was shut down as a "paganistic" site and a small church was built nearby. It's still one of the loveliest memories I have as an undergrad. If you're ever in Athens, do take the few mile trip to visit Eleysis, it's a really weird place, with the ancient ruins among a heavily industrial town. When we visited, we found flowers, candles and sweets left in a nook near the supposed entry to the Underworld, suggesting there's a handful of modern times worshipers there! A few of my friends and I were planning on investigating, maybe making a short documentary on this, but then the pandemic struck. Perhaps it's worth a trip back.
Also vaguely related is Stayin’ Alive cause that song has a very good rhythm for CPR chest compressions
The reason all of the "mystery" (ancient or modern) videos are so popular is because they make GREAT writing prompts, even for non-writers who will never and never intend to actually write; they're the stuff that connect and make "possible" all kinds of fanciful dreams and notions.
Sir, this is a McDonalds
2:05 - Chapter 1 - The megaliths of malta
7:40 - Chapter 2 - The indus valley script
12:35 - Chapter 3 - The rohonc codex
16:30 - Chapter 4 - The elusinian cult
20:00 - Conclusion
Thank you.
21:40 Mike drop😀
Thank you. I never understand why creators don't leave these themselves.
There are so many weird codex's in the world
The "rotundity" of the statues...that's a very gentlemanly way of putting it.
Great episode! It was fantastically written. I'd absolutely love a full video on the Indus Valley civilization and what all we do and don't know about them, as well as a deep dive on the Eleusinian Mysteries and Pythagorean cult. Please!
This feels like it should be on Decoding the Unknown.
A vid on the Pythagorean cult would be rad, my dude.
They liked big butts, and they could not lie, in fact they carved rocks to prove their point.
Read the book, “The Immortality Key.” They go into some evidence tied to Eleusinian Mystery. They basically theorize that they were drinking beer or wine type drinks laced with ergot to help them hallucinate and have transcendent experiences. Putting the body through fasting and exhaustion probably enhanced those effects even more.
Yea but that doesn't explain the secrecy behind them and only is a small part of the festivities that lasted for days. Besides the use of ergot was something very common in ancient Greece it's not like they'd go through all this trouble to hide something everyone knew was happening.
Also we know these rituals had something to do with the myth of demeter and Persephone but we don't know exactly how this all was tied together.
Love it! So smooth, it was criminal?
And... yes a vid on the Pythagoras cult.
Am I the only one with that song stuck in my head?
"Annie are ok? You're a dead corpse, but you're ok?"
As a military history enthousiast, when you mentioned Malta’s claim to fame, I half-expected you to say it was the allies’ unsinkable aircraft carrier in WWII Lol
Would love to see more on the Indus Valley. Especially their Bronze Age/Pre-Bronze Age ties (if they exist) to Sumaria, Acadia, and the other ancient Med cultures.
FYI, the Indus Valley Script has had some breakthroughs, not the least of which is that most of the characters are probably names, the direction it was written, and more. There's a great TED Talk about it.
Ok I have to applaud that conclusion, I had forgotten about our young woman of the seine. But that was a journey she undertook and you presented it with such gusto it made my night
I'd love a deep dive on the Pythagorean cult.
I absolutely love any deep dives into ancient civilizations/archaeological and also space theories/discoveries.❤
"Ancient Tech of Ancient Civilizations" yes, I would like to see more about that... perhaps a mini-series?
Let's see a Deep Dive about each topic you touched on. You know we'll watch them all. 😁
But Yes definitely an episode or two about Pythagoras and crew.
I've always wondered if books like the 'Voynich Manuscript' or the 'Rohonc Codex' might be companions to epic Tolkienesque tales, where the languages are those of a species or race in the story, and the codex describes their world.
That's an interesting theory. Just imagine how mystifying it would be if a replica of an in-universe book (written in Elvish, with no translation guide) was the only surviving evidence of Tolkien's works.
imo i suspect these books maybe written phoneticaly by someone using a version of the alphabet they grew up with and are just attempting to apply it to a different language and like in past centuries when there was no fixed spelling etc... they had to just get a bit creative lol
So I'm Hmong. And the language never had a real written script. Most of it is romanised and is spelt how the words sound in "English." But just recently (possibly in the last 30 years) someone developed the actual script for the language. Most Hmong can't even read this "new script" tho but can read more of the English script, even if those Hmong can't even read English. I always found that pretty interesting.
This is fascinating to learn and I’m curious to know more about who, how and why they came up with the script. Is it based on scripts of the local area? .
It ties into how this episode highlights that much of the history we know of well has been reliant on it being recorded somehow which means there could easily be an amazing amount that has disappeared without leaving a trace of its existence. I truly admire the efforts of archeologists and scientists to discover and piece together our pre-history
I would love to know about the Indus and the Pythagoreans. That mini mystery was AMAZING
I'd love to see you cover the Chinampas or architectural achievements of the Aztecs. They always get overlooked because of the sacrifice stuff. But their agriculture and architecture are insanely cool.
Indus Valley deep dive is a must please. I've watched you from the very start, then when you made that video , where you were contemplating in stopping altogether , I'm so glad you just kept making videos
More ancient mysteries please.
Amazingly good content and production! I could watch a hundred of these ancient mysteries episodes and especially the creepy, scary, or corrupt stories of legend. Fascinating! ❤
I would definitely love to see a video about the Pythagorean cult. Thank you!!
Literally all those deep dives you hinted at sound interesting and I'd love to see the episodes.
You know we are all dying for videos on your alluring mentions! Also, your micro-mystery connection. Sensational!
Simon out here solving all the world's mysteries one upload at the time!
I would love to see a detailed video of Indus civilisation
Please tell me I'm not the only one who, during first aid training while demonstrating "rousing the patient", shook the dummy and said "Annie, Annie - are you okay Annie?" 🙃
Amazing topics as always 😄 I’d love a video about that civilization.
A dedicated Indus Valley video would be awesome.
Simon dear, please make the Indus Valley video! :) Also deep dive videos about other ancient (maybe less known) civilizations would be cool ;)
I love the link between the initial micro-mystery and the song. Very interesting stuff!
Yes please, a deep dive into the Indus Valley civilization would be much appreciated.
I just discovered this channel today and yes make a thousand of these lol
You'll want to spit shine His Bald head in No Time 👍...
Simon, you could start a do a history series covering every society beginning with the Mesopotamians, in this valley, early China, and just keep going from there. 😀
Don't tell him that, he'll start a whole new channel and I don't think he can sleep NOW!
@@maryellen9503 He's lost a few channels recently, so I am pretty sure he's got space to add more now. 🤣
Nice! This was an especially fascinating episode, so thank!👏
Nice one, well written and presented. Cheers.
Relly interesting video and I would like to know more about all the different topics talked about in it! It was fascinating.
Please the indus river civilization stuff is so interesting!
I love Pythagorean everything! I'm intrigued to see what your wonderful writers & researchers would find ❤️♾️❤️
I love most of what comes out of the Whistlerverse, but that conclusion was a right banger!
Fun fact, the face of the women form Siene was and still is a base for CPR Doll (Resusci Anne). So she is saving lives to this day.
Ok, I just watched the ending ;)
Need more on the Indus Valley Civ!! Fascinating
I adore this channel, it's so satisfyingly interesting and smoothly high quality and easy to watch and listen to
Well, now I'm gonna have some Smooth Criminal stuck in my head the rest of the day, lol
Annie.... that's a random fact that will be forever stuck in my brain. Thanks Simon and writer.
Yes to expanded videos on all these topics❤
When you have ever absolved a CPR training, you have 'kissed' the face of the unknown girl of the Seine. A certain Asmund S. Laerdal used her facial print in 1960 to create the latex face of his 'Resuci Anne' which is still in use today.
My boy lets go!
Calm down Bergie 😂 #loveisland
fact boi
That ending was a gosh darn rollercoaster.
Thank you for talking about Malta! Makes me proud to be from here
pure fire, simon! we love ancient mysteries
Would love a in depth video on the Indus valley civilization
Yes Please! in regards to videos focusing on the Indus Valley & the Pythagoreans.
The Rohonc Codex mystery sounds quite similar to that of the Voynich Manuscript. Both have been puzzling experts for centuries. Would be funny if the same person made them both up. Lol
Do more indus river culture vidz.
They are so awe inspiring
I definitely want to hear more about the Pythagorean cult!
Very happy to see you still making videos, your replacement on the other channels is terrible. You are great as a host, love your presentation style.❤❤
I know. It is a shame. I just can't watch those channels any more.
My moms side of the family is from Malta and we still have family over in Malta. I love learning more about Malta 🇲🇹 ❤
A Hungarian here - kudos for pronouncing the name of Rohonc and the people you are naming in that piece, very well.
A video on Pythagorus would be fascinating!
I was thinking the song you were going to refer to was "Stayin Alive" by the Bee Gees. The beat of this song is the beat you are recommended to follow when you give CPR.
The word "elusive" very likely derives from the name of the Eleusinian mystery cult. One cult, at least two words, mystery and elusive.
One of the best episodes I have watched. Thank you Simon, that was a whole heap of fun. MORE!
ok, definitely want to hear more about the Indus valley civilization (thought I knew a bunch, but clearly there's much more interesting stuff to hear)--but what a connection between the Girl from the Seine and Thriller
@17:00 I'd love for you to make a video on the cult of Pythagoras and/or a list video about some cults you find fascinating
"L'Incconu de la Seine" is also better known to us today as "Resussa Annie". This lovely girl's face was used to make the resuscitation training dummy for First Aid lessons.
Interesting mysteries... and a lot of fun the bonus round :D
Indus River Valley Civilization? Hell yes! Pythagorean chick peas? Hell yes!
Indus Valley deep dive would be very interesting. My linguistic brain wants to divide those 27 marks into groups. These look to me like several derivatives in several handwriting styles - i.e. some look like the same thing in different handwriting, some are different enough to suggest related but distinct meaning. Think of words like chair and stool for meaning - both are objects with 4 legs and a flat surface for seating but are distinctly different pieces of furniture. The slight difference in the signs could also have the same function as suffixes and prefixes in slavic languages, sometimes changing the meaning and ust of the word entirely. The position of the sign in relation to other signs might also be significant. That's the problem with linguistic archeology - language needs context.
But, also, TH-cam seems to forget that central and eastern europe existed before WWI. We have uncountable videos about ancient Rome, Vikings, and ancient Middle East but hardly anything about what was happening at that time in what is now Poland, Hungary, Chekia, Ukraine, Lithuania, Romania, etc.
I’d love to see a video on ancient cults if that is something you guys are willing to do.
Indus Valley civilization, yes!
I love these sort of mysteries, I could just listen or read about ancient civilizations forever, its so fascinating. Its even more interesting when we just don't know and you can let your own brain go wild but, I don't think anyone would get it, if you weren't alive then, you honestly have no exact idea how everyone acted and everything worked so essentially its all a mystery. Also history is always changing with new discoveries. We're using our 20th century brains to try and imagine something so old, we just couldn't conceive of exactly what the people thought like if you never lived it. Thats what I like about history in general.❤
It's kind of beautiful (and tragic), that a woman who died from drowning, becomes the face of teaching people CPR. Which can, in turn, save people from drowning
Looking forward to finding some of these on DTU
Just a whole video on Smooth Criminal would be good.
Wow, I knew that the Annie rescue doll was made from that girls death mask, I never knew that it inspired Michael Jackson's Smooth Criminal song, lol!
Also when I was younger I spent many years collect all kinds of books on any ancient civilizations from the area called Mesopotamia, and the Indus Valley people were one of my favorites, but since this was also around the late 1980s and early 1990s, the books I found had very little information on any of them, but that's also why I bought a lot of books about the whole area. I learned about the Sumerians, the Indus people, along with the Egyptians, Greeks and the Romans, and many others that existed back then, by reading all these different books. But now with the internet I have gotten to learn a whole lot more, thanks to channels like this one, well a lot of the ones Simon narrates of course.
And so what I'm saying is I would welcome a whole video about the Indus Valley, as well as other Mesopotamian civilizations that aren't as well talked about as say Egypt of course!
Great stuff! Maybe you need yet another channel of just ancient mysteries… haha
Bump Indus civilization deep dive - would be awesome
I've seen suggestions that ancient statues depicting extreme body proportions on women were self-portraits. Most men might not know this, but when a woman looks down, the forced perspective skews what we see when compared to an outside observer. Our stomach seems rounder, breasts seem saggier, and hips seem wider. I personally think that could also explain why the faces on such statues are fairly undetailed. People wouldn't have a perfect image of their own faces in their head when the only way to see their reflection was to lean over water, which is unlikely to be perfectly still and would require a viewing angle that's also not very flattering.