Well we got Tekken 8 on the Horizon and I know a lot of you are very interested, but I also know a lot of you don't know much about 3d fighters. That's ok! Even if you are a SF or Guilty Gear vet, we all gotta start somewhere and thankfully playing other 2D fighting games will help you out when you start on your 3D fighter journey, but there are some particulars that don't easily translate over, so lets talk about them! Give the vid a watch, like if you liked it, and hope this helps you out!
@@gamrage I have tried many times to get into console fighters. I "get" them, just I don't find them as fun as traditional fighters unfortunately. I always kinda bounce off
This is probably the last video for a bit over the holiday barring breaking news or surprise trailer drops. The majority of this channels life I have covered 2D fighting games(even though the first FG I covered "for real" was actually Tekken 7 at launch, fun fact!) so I feel like I got a bit of a duty to help ease everyone into Tekken with the upcoming launch cause its obviously gonna be a pretty big deal! Expect all the usual guides at launch and just probably a lot of Tekken 8 coverage in general in 2024. Need someone on the side of the hero characters like Kuma to help balance out all the mishima fans after all!
Another thing is that characters don't have invulnerability when launched or knockdowns. So you can beat people who are on the ground and don't have to wait for them to stand up.
Worth noting that the Tekken 8 move-lists specifically highlight your characters most important attacks, so you don't even need to guess by looking at the full list yourself!
Oh my god. For most of my life, Tekken was pretty much the only fighting game I played, so I instinctively stand blocked most of the time without even knowing the mechanics there. I've been playing Guilty Gear and Street Fighter a lot these past several years, so I had no idea why I was getting blown up so badly when I was playing the closed beta lmao.
Great (and timely) video idea, as I’m sure a lot of us are in the same boat. Tried to get into Tekken 7 a while ago, but felt pretty overwhelmed by all the changes from 2D. This video does a really great job of breaking down the essential differences and offering helpful tips to adapt. Appreciate the effort!
Yeah, when switching between 2D and 3D fighting games, I immediately noticed that blocking worked a lot differently. In 2D fighters, low attacks come fast and overheads usually take longer. In 3D fighters high and mid attacks come out quickly whereas low attacks are usually slower. The defensive options in 3D fighters also makes the barrier to entry very steep. For every character, there's a multitude of defensive options and just as many offensive options.
The only 3D fighter I ever played was Tekken 5 back in 2006 and back then I had no clue how to play fighting games and would just mash buttons lol. I'm very excited for T8 but going from 2D to 3D definitely has me feeling a bit intimidated. It feels very foreign to me. I played the demo for 8 and absolutely loving it even though I don't understand that much of it. I didn't realize that the huge move lists don't really matter which has me with a sigh of relief because I thought maybe I had to learn a majority of those moves but turns out I can just look at the best moves to learn at first. Though one thing I learned is it's probably good to pick a main in Tekken and REALLY stick with that main you like just due to how much each character is capable of
Interesting, since there was a 2D fighting game drought when I got into these games, I've played a lot of Tekken and Soul Calibur, but never quite got 2D fighters, felt stiff to me and I did not know how to play, 3D felt like a more natural transition to the action games I've played. Now with the first and current Granblue game, BlazBlue, Guilty Gear and especially Street Fighter 6 the switch figuratively clicked and I could retroactively play older 2D fighters I had problems with before. And I noticed at GamesCom playing Tekken 8 that this might be a one way switch, or Tekken 8 plays totally different than the previous parts, however, I had my problems with it. So this video now makes sense to me. ^^
I'm a KOF player, and bought Tekken 7 (yes, just because of Geese) some months ago. The move list really is scary and I have a hard time crouching or jumping instead of side stepping. I'm still more inclined to 2D games, but 3D have their cool perks and this video should be a great help for people like me. Thanks mate! Much respect and please come to Brazil.
Utilize sidestep after your combos, whether they land or they’re blocked. Gives you an advantage for any poor tracking moves your opponent throws out. Some characters have fast attacks with good tracking though
Not to take out of this subject of this video but I just want to say that this has been a great year for fighting games and other in general. With releases like Street Fighter 6 & Mortal Kombat 1 to updated versions of the current games like Dragon Ball Fighterz & Granblue Fantasy getting rollback netcode. As to getting announcements of other fighting games coming soon like Tekken 8 & Project L which looks all amazing. Granted there are some major problems that are still being annoyed with such as microtransactions, cheating, bug fixes and other but still the future looks bright for fighting games as these things can and hopefully be sorted out going into 2024. That being said just wanted to wish you Rooflemonger and your family a Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year. And to everyone else go out and play some fighting games.
I have been playing Tekken almost as long as I have been playing SF, which is to say, since the early ‘90s, and only now did I learn that mids are all overheads as a rule. LOL. I mean, I guess I sorta knew because I knew what a Special Mid was, like T3 WGF. But to realize it’s a rule and why I don’t crouch block on instinct in Tekken just opened my eyes to stuff I unconsciously learned without properly identifying it. I still won’t ever be a competitive Tekken player, but stuff like this helps make things click for people like me. Thank you!
Man I love your content your one of if not the best fighting game creators. I needed this, after getting into sf6 as my first fighting game, you’ve helped me with sf6, mk1, granblue, and now tekken.
Great vid! I recently realized the whole thing about 3d fighters having a greater focus on varied defensive options is why I keep coming back to tekken over other fgs (even if I still love them as well)
Also, if you're interested in moving from 2D to 3D, have fun! and don't take your rank/skill seriously because this game is TOUGH to get used to for newcomers to this genre. You'll get it eventually as you play, and don't spend hours in the lab labbing a specific thing because that'll take all the fun away. Happy Holiday's folks!
As someone who played Tekken for a bit and left (netcode), this was a nice refresher. If you can, a video covering the opposite transition would be nice. I have friends that have played 3D fighters all their lives, but struggle to adjust to 2D fighters, so if you could go more depth into the differences, I think that would help a lot.
The thing to consider is whether you want to enjoy 2D fighting games, I used to be a big Mortal Kombat fan, then I started to play Tekken and honestly, 2D games now just seem like it was made for babies - and it's not even players' fault, it's just even if you use your whole movelist it seems as if you spammed small amount of attacks over and over cuz Tekken has more completely different moves, in 2D you just walk, in some instance dash, jump and block, this seems pale compared to sidestepping or special movement techniques such as korean back dash or wave dash - may not be the general case, but from my experience once you truly det into Tekken, there is no return to 2D
Ending the year with one of the best videos for someone trying to get into Tekken after years of 2D fighters with 8. Merry christmas and can't wait for another year of excellent educational content
I remember teaching my friend tekken. It took a while since he’s been playing street fighter and anime games since sf4. The two things he struggled with were crouch blocking so I soccer kicked him to death. The other was not knowing how to punish lows. I found out how unintuitive was punishing was since I had only played tekken 7 up until that point.
Happy Christmas Eve, Roof. You’ve been killing it this Year and I’m always glad for you and your videos. I hope that you have a fantastic rest of your year. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. And as always I will continue to go out and enjoy some fighting games. Even if I’m the youngster (19) showing older people (no offense) that we love fighting games. So let’s go out and enjoy the rest of the year and fighting games.
Been getting my ass beat for 5 days. There's so much that makes no sense. Learning this after years of 2D fighting games is like trying to learn starfish language. Crouch blocking not working on mids is baking my brain. Fastest move being 10 frames is killing me in training mode when I see I'm +4 and my 2D fighter brain thinks I can link a jab afterward. The fact that there's never a point where my opponent can't combo me is maddening. What the fuck is oki in this game when you're never safe on the floor? What moves are punishable? It feels intuitive in a game like Street Fighter or even Granblue but in this game I can't always tell. And throw breaks being arm-dependent feels so subtle. With so much going on, how do you even notice? I'll learn it eventually I'm sure but right now it's just so frustrating. Gonna watch some more guides (got all your recent ones queued up) and hopefully something will start to click. Sorry to be a salty scrub but I had to get this out somewhere. Thanks for your hard work, Roof. Gonna be leaning on your knowledge a lot coming up.
Thank you so much for the content, was thinking about getting Tekken because customization looks insane, but was hesitant because I didn't know what transferred and what didn't. Thank you for an awesome year and have a merry Christmas!
Thanks for this! I'm a long time 3d fighter, played competitive Tekken Tag Tournament, Soul Calibur 2, and Tekken 4 way back in the day. It's been a while but I'm excited to see more people get into these!
Just from the title i know this video is for me, im a huge fan of fighting games and have been introducing myself to more fighting games like street fighter 6 was the first time i played a street fighter game, strive also first guilty gear game, and now tekken 8 will be the next thing i dive into but man im well unprepared yet eager and excited to get into the nitty gritty of tekken 8
Been playing the Tekken 8 demop religiously since it dropped on PC. This definitely feels like a somewhat easier Tekken to pick up and made me do a 180 on Jin. I liked T3 Jin and really couldn't get into him in T7 but his gameplay is CRAZY FUN in T8!
@@concrete490 I played DoA for the first time near end of DoA5 support, and been playing Tekken since Tekken 2 and I just thought the movement and moves plus parrys and variety of throws were more fun than Tekken. I just don't care for Tekken's slow movement.
Very helpful vid. I’ve been sitting on the fence for a while over getting into Tekken. Keep going back to what I know I like. But this helps give a little more confidence to expand the horizons.
I’m a fighting game ONLY type of guy. I love how Tekken’s moves pass on to the next! Though MK was my first love, I have never liked the idea of learning how to play (pick a new main) all over again. SF6 & KI on the other hand, keep on satisfying me in other new ways. My hat is off for Tekken and I can’t wait!!
I haven't played tekken since TT1 or T3. I'm mostly a street fighter player, but after trying all 4 characters on the demo... nobody clicked with me until I played Nina. This game is gorgeous and smooth! I only play Online VS so I hope that network is good!
just want to add to your Paul thing when he was doing hammerfist. if you think a low is coming, don't do a hopkick or other lowcrush move, because if you're wrong you're getting floated for a combo, block it instead for that guaranteed launch. merry x-mas Rooflemonger and chat.
This video is great! I have played Tekken casually since T3 and recently tried Street Fighter for the first time (SF6). I found it to be limiting, frustrating, and sluggish. I didn't have the technical vocabulary to articulate what was wrong with it exactly, but this video says it all.
I've dabbled with Tekken a bit over the years but no where near to the extent I have other fighters. Tekken seemed very intimidating compared to the other fighters out there but I'm deffo going to be giving Tekken 8 a good go. Thanks and all the best to you and yours :)
Something that might seem strange is that MK players (especially those that played a lot of MK11) might find themselves able to acclimate to Tekken quite easily. It's not something I can really explain off the dome, but there's a feeling of shared DNA between the two series, now more than ever. Those familiar with "traditional 2D fighters" might have a harder time though. Tekken has a completely different rhythm and those players will feel that a bit more than someone who isn't initiated in the fighting genre at all. More or less the same rules, just contextualized differently.
To me, the similarity is that they both use attack strings instead of cancels. The logic in most 2D games is "press the next button when the attack hits" because you're using cancels - whether that's a magic series/gatling or special cancel or w/e. In MK and Tekken, you have to dial in the whole string up front
idk why they arent more 3D fighters. They seem more realistic and provide more options. You dont have to worry about projectile spamming and being locked in a corner. What i hated about 2D fighters was that playing online would amount to someone spamming projectiles to keep you away and i had to keep jumping and blocking to get to them if my character didnt have proper projectiles.
Because I play SCVI I don't really need this video, but this is a fantastic idea for those who really don't touch 3D fighting games. The trouble I'm having with the Tekken 8 demo the Tekken specific stuff. It's controls are whacked out compared to SC, it also feels as well.
Really nice video Roof. As a vision impaired fighting game player I have always struggled with 3D fighting games. Bought soulcallabar 6 last year and have hardly played it. I think it's because I can visualise 2D moves easier than 3D moves. So I find the distinction with rush down and zoners easier to comprehend than what ever 3D fighting games have. I loved Tekken 2, still do even though I don't have access to it, but I was never good at playing it. It is also easier to track someone when they can only move forwards or backwards, those side stepping moves can be difficult to work out. I have more I could say but I think this is enough for now. I respect 3D fighting games but for now they are not for me. Who knows, if Tekken 8 has some strong accessibility options that could all change.
It does have some accessibility options for vision impaired people, including turning the fighter models into 2D sillhouettes, which could help a little, I guess? YT won't let me post a Twitter link, but you might find a demonstration video with a bit of googling.
id love to see the reverse, as a person who played tekken before sf and other 2D games, the adjustment was horrendous, neutral felt so different, agression, the corner, airborne moves, etc were so hard to learn
I had the reverse transition of coming from 3D fighting games to 2D. It took so long for me to unlearn stand blocking as the default block lol But now that I've played more 2D fighting games lately, this video is a good refresher!
I'm using this video in reverse because I had a long past with 3D fighters and started to get serious in Virtua Fighter 5 FS and really only small amounts of 2D ones.
If you want to get good the fastest way is sticking with one character especially in Tekken it takes much longer to completely understand a character imo. And if you‘re completely new to 3D don’t get frustrated you‘ll lose a lot of games simply bc you don’t know the Matchup.
Having played the Tekken 8 demo, it seems easier to perform side steps. One issue I had with 7 (the one I've put any amount of time into) was how I was always jumping or crouching when I was trying to utilize the 3D space. I'm drawn to this series because my finger dexterity is rather poor, which makes executing long/precise combos difficult. Surprisingly, my fingers spaz out at the correct input rate for Tekken.
@@rooflemonger My dream would be 8 Way Run from SC, but that would require a block button, and we can't have that. Not in muh tekken. Or we could have good netcode in SC...
The hardest thing to learn in tekken is the input timing, you need to press the direction + input at the same time, Down Foward 2 is different from holding Down + Foward and pressing 2. It took me time to get used it
I grew up playing Tekken Tag Tournament but I've never been into fighting games so never really cared about playing it seriously. Spent a lot of time later on playing 2D ones like Mortal Kombat 9 and Injustice. But then I started plaSoul Calibur 6 and I like that one a lot more. Not just because it's 3D but also because you use weapons too
As a King main, I don't even do the chain grabs but usually just the RDC after a wavedash but mostly I just do a lot of pokes and Counter hit moves like b1, and focus more on punishing.
I could've used this video the other way around as a Tekken player lol. I've been playing SF6 for a little while but I've only just gotten out of the habit of randomly stand blocking (which I have from Tekken) after doing a move that's like -3 on block. Cause I'm so used to just holding back to not get hit in Tekken after doing something that's quite minus but safe on block.
Worth noting is that, the reason you don't crouch block by default is because, unlike other 2d fighting games, in Tekken most launchers are mids, while lows don't often launch on normal hit, and/or are slow enough for the trained player to react to them. For example in SF6 anything could start a combo with drive rush so you naturally want to hold crouch and react to overheads because they are slower and because every character has like 1 or 2 over heads
My main problem with fighting games other than Tekken is the input and execution of moves. It's too fast/twitchy for me, in Tekken I can "piano" moves and it'll still come out whereas other games, you have to be precise. I find it more enjoyable when you can execute special moves 90% of the time without doing QCF/HCF or charge motions tbh. It doesn't dumb down the difficulty of execution IMHO, you still have to time your moves correctly and when to whip it out.
One of the things that sounds obvious but took me forever to understand with Tekken is that if you want to figure out the input to do a move your opponent did, you can usually look at the limbs to know which button and guess the direction.
Damn, for the life of me I could not get into Tekken despite loving the style, characters and everything. No wonder I couldn't get into it, I was playing it as if it was a 2d fighter. Amazing work as always, hyped af for T8
I wasn't super interested in 8 until the end of the roster started looking pretty good, that it sounds like they've shifted movement focus from KBD to sidestep sounds more appealing too. Really hope they get the netcode tuned up some more by launch, sounds better than 7 but still not anywhere near where other games are right now.
Thanks for the advices ! Tekken 8 will be my first 3d fighting game that I'll try to play seriously, I can't wait for it to launch ! There is also one thing that I find annoying in Tekken compared to like Street Fighter, it is the fact there is no such thing as lights, mediums and heavies, in Tekken the attacks are classified with Right arm, left arm, right leg and left leg. It makes things so hard to remember, the same button can be a fast hit in a string and a big heavy attack in another, is there something that I'm missing ? It really makes move lists difficult to learn for me
Although each face button corresponds to a different limb, I've never found it helpful to think about it that precisely. All I ever needed for things to feel intuitive was to remember that 1 and 2 (square and triangle) are arm-related moves, and 3 and 4 (X and O) are leg-related moves. Beyond that, it's just learning the movelist for your character.
Ive been fighting 2d fighting games my whole life and ever since I started playing 3d like tekken or virtua fighter Ive gotten into the 3D fighting genre ever since
3d games have been more exciting to play than 2d, and I feel it takes more skill also in my opinion. Tekken is hard to play when you know nothing about it, but once you understand its addicting
I haven’t played Tekken since Tekken 5. I know the mechanics have changed since but the basics of Tekken haven’t. Just practicing and remember a move set for a few players is important. Be great at 2-5 players and be good at the rest
I think it would be cool if 2D fighters added stand high and stand mid. Like what if in Street Fighter standing normals and command normals could be crouched blocked like normal (High) but standing special Attacks can only be blocked standing (Mid)
I play King in Tekken and I have been playing him since Tekken 1 😮! I play all fighting games I can get my hands on and for 3d fighters SS is huge and just the sheer amount of moves each character has lol! King has so many moves and I try to remember them all from link throws to tracking moves to launchers! Hope you enjoy Tekken its well worth anyones time!
Tekken is still tekken, but on the presentation/camera angles/some stages its way more DoA now, and the gameplay is getting closer to VF with stepping being a lot better and heat forcing people to get stuck in against each other
We need 3D fighters to make a full comeback the same way 2D fighters did back in the 2010s. There’s very little variety in the 3D space, only down to Tekken and SoulCalibur. I could hope for Bloody Roar, Virtua Fighter. DoA, and Naruto: Clash of Ninja to return someday. Maybe even Tobal, if Square Enix is interested enough.
There's nothing I want more in this genre than to see a new Bloody Roar, but sadly Konami has the IP, so there's no way it'll see the light of day again.
Yeah, it's really sad that the sub-genre has shrunken down to just 2 franchises from the same publisher. And hell, it's really only one. SCVI hasn't gotten a new game since 2018 and Bandai-Namco seems to prefer Tekken.
I played Soul Calibur 6 for a bit which I thought was a great game but the vast majority of 3d players prefer Tekken so if soul Calibur is that good and this game is widely considered much better then I'm pretty hyped for it.
Well we got Tekken 8 on the Horizon and I know a lot of you are very interested, but I also know a lot of you don't know much about 3d fighters. That's ok! Even if you are a SF or Guilty Gear vet, we all gotta start somewhere and thankfully playing other 2D fighting games will help you out when you start on your 3D fighter journey, but there are some particulars that don't easily translate over, so lets talk about them! Give the vid a watch, like if you liked it, and hope this helps you out!
Have you considered talking about platform fighters? There's a whole bunch of nuances to that as well.
Quick question regarding the footage. Is it from the PC- or the Xbox version?
@@FullmetalPain pc version, I got the pc version specifically just for capture the console versions look awful these days lol
@@gamrage I have tried many times to get into console fighters. I "get" them, just I don't find them as fun as traditional fighters unfortunately. I always kinda bounce off
You deserve a great enjoyable one. Cheers.
This is probably the last video for a bit over the holiday barring breaking news or surprise trailer drops. The majority of this channels life I have covered 2D fighting games(even though the first FG I covered "for real" was actually Tekken 7 at launch, fun fact!) so I feel like I got a bit of a duty to help ease everyone into Tekken with the upcoming launch cause its obviously gonna be a pretty big deal! Expect all the usual guides at launch and just probably a lot of Tekken 8 coverage in general in 2024. Need someone on the side of the hero characters like Kuma to help balance out all the mishima fans after all!
Happy Holidays!
Happy holidays man🎉
Happy holidays, I look forward to hearing you say “Welcome” in 2024
Another thing is that characters don't have invulnerability when launched or knockdowns. So you can beat people who are on the ground and don't have to wait for them to stand up.
Me stomping on someone with Ivy when I was 12: 😳
I always liked it when my character gets stepped on by Anna Williams 🥵
@@wonderman7166since anna wont be in tekken 8, reina will be a good replacement 😅
@@bapposp5For now 😅
Bryan standing over in the corner: 😏😈
Worth noting that the Tekken 8 move-lists specifically highlight your characters most important attacks, so you don't even need to guess by looking at the full list yourself!
it does, but its also not always right haha. Its a good beginner resource but many "best attacks:" don't make the list
Oh my god. For most of my life, Tekken was pretty much the only fighting game I played, so I instinctively stand blocked most of the time without even knowing the mechanics there. I've been playing Guilty Gear and Street Fighter a lot these past several years, so I had no idea why I was getting blown up so badly when I was playing the closed beta lmao.
Great (and timely) video idea, as I’m sure a lot of us are in the same boat. Tried to get into Tekken 7 a while ago, but felt pretty overwhelmed by all the changes from 2D. This video does a really great job of breaking down the essential differences and offering helpful tips to adapt. Appreciate the effort!
Yeah I'm so happy! I was originally gonna sit out on t8 but somewhere in thesel last few months they grabbed me for sure!
@@jpVari yeah they def want the 2D/anime FGC crowd to jump in on tekken 8 so much more flashy supers and meter mechanics in T8
Random but this month you’ve been killing it, on here and twitter. Thank you
Yeah, when switching between 2D and 3D fighting games, I immediately noticed that blocking worked a lot differently. In 2D fighters, low attacks come fast and overheads usually take longer. In 3D fighters high and mid attacks come out quickly whereas low attacks are usually slower. The defensive options in 3D fighters also makes the barrier to entry very steep. For every character, there's a multitude of defensive options and just as many offensive options.
The only 3D fighter I ever played was Tekken 5 back in 2006 and back then I had no clue how to play fighting games and would just mash buttons lol. I'm very excited for T8 but going from 2D to 3D definitely has me feeling a bit intimidated. It feels very foreign to me. I played the demo for 8 and absolutely loving it even though I don't understand that much of it. I didn't realize that the huge move lists don't really matter which has me with a sigh of relief because I thought maybe I had to learn a majority of those moves but turns out I can just look at the best moves to learn at first. Though one thing I learned is it's probably good to pick a main in Tekken and REALLY stick with that main you like just due to how much each character is capable of
Interesting, since there was a 2D fighting game drought when I got into these games, I've played a lot of Tekken and Soul Calibur, but never quite got 2D fighters, felt stiff to me and I did not know how to play, 3D felt like a more natural transition to the action games I've played.
Now with the first and current Granblue game, BlazBlue, Guilty Gear and especially Street Fighter 6 the switch figuratively clicked and I could retroactively play older 2D fighters I had problems with before.
And I noticed at GamesCom playing Tekken 8 that this might be a one way switch, or Tekken 8 plays totally different than the previous parts, however, I had my problems with it. So this video now makes sense to me. ^^
Very good point about the movelist size. People forget that SF's characters have a bunch of buttons that are parallel to many Tekken moves.
I'm a KOF player, and bought Tekken 7 (yes, just because of Geese) some months ago. The move list really is scary and I have a hard time crouching or jumping instead of side stepping. I'm still more inclined to 2D games, but 3D have their cool perks and this video should be a great help for people like me. Thanks mate! Much respect and please come to Brazil.
Utilize sidestep after your combos, whether they land or they’re blocked. Gives you an advantage for any poor tracking moves your opponent throws out. Some characters have fast attacks with good tracking though
Not to take out of this subject of this video but I just want to say that this has been a great year for fighting games and other in general. With releases like Street Fighter 6 & Mortal Kombat 1 to updated versions of the current games like Dragon Ball Fighterz & Granblue Fantasy getting rollback netcode. As to getting announcements of other fighting games coming soon like Tekken 8 & Project L which looks all amazing.
Granted there are some major problems that are still being annoyed with such as microtransactions, cheating, bug fixes and other but still the future looks bright for fighting games as these things can and hopefully be sorted out going into 2024. That being said just wanted to wish you Rooflemonger and your family a Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year. And to everyone else go out and play some fighting games.
I have been playing Tekken almost as long as I have been playing SF, which is to say, since the early ‘90s, and only now did I learn that mids are all overheads as a rule. LOL. I mean, I guess I sorta knew because I knew what a Special Mid was, like T3 WGF. But to realize it’s a rule and why I don’t crouch block on instinct in Tekken just opened my eyes to stuff I unconsciously learned without properly identifying it.
I still won’t ever be a competitive Tekken player, but stuff like this helps make things click for people like me. Thank you!
Man I love your content your one of if not the best fighting game creators. I needed this, after getting into sf6 as my first fighting game, you’ve helped me with sf6, mk1, granblue, and now tekken.
Great vid! I recently realized the whole thing about 3d fighters having a greater focus on varied defensive options is why I keep coming back to tekken over other fgs (even if I still love them as well)
Also, if you're interested in moving from 2D to 3D, have fun! and don't take your rank/skill seriously because this game is TOUGH to get used to for newcomers to this genre. You'll get it eventually as you play, and don't spend hours in the lab labbing a specific thing because that'll take all the fun away. Happy Holiday's folks!
So excited man 3d fighters feel more natural to me, can’t wait for next month!
i wished mk returned to 3d
As someone who played Tekken for a bit and left (netcode), this was a nice refresher. If you can, a video covering the opposite transition would be nice. I have friends that have played 3D fighters all their lives, but struggle to adjust to 2D fighters, so if you could go more depth into the differences, I think that would help a lot.
well the video sorta works in reverse too lol. Stop stand blocking, you really have to commit on defense etc etc lol.
The thing to consider is whether you want to enjoy 2D fighting games, I used to be a big Mortal Kombat fan, then I started to play Tekken and honestly, 2D games now just seem like it was made for babies - and it's not even players' fault, it's just even if you use your whole movelist it seems as if you spammed small amount of attacks over and over cuz Tekken has more completely different moves, in 2D you just walk, in some instance dash, jump and block, this seems pale compared to sidestepping or special movement techniques such as korean back dash or wave dash - may not be the general case, but from my experience once you truly det into Tekken, there is no return to 2D
I DID NOT KNOW that mids can hit while crouch blocking!
Thanks, you learn something new every day!😁
Ending the year with one of the best videos for someone trying to get into Tekken after years of 2D fighters with 8. Merry christmas and can't wait for another year of excellent educational content
I remember teaching my friend tekken. It took a while since he’s been playing street fighter and anime games since sf4. The two things he struggled with were crouch blocking so I soccer kicked him to death. The other was not knowing how to punish lows. I found out how unintuitive was punishing was since I had only played tekken 7 up until that point.
I think it's great characters in Tekken have so many moves, mirror matches are more interesting with knowledge checks
Happy Christmas Eve, Roof. You’ve been killing it this Year and I’m always glad for you and your videos. I hope that you have a fantastic rest of your year. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
And as always I will continue to go out and enjoy some fighting games. Even if I’m the youngster (19) showing older people (no offense) that we love fighting games. So let’s go out and enjoy the rest of the year and fighting games.
Been getting my ass beat for 5 days. There's so much that makes no sense. Learning this after years of 2D fighting games is like trying to learn starfish language. Crouch blocking not working on mids is baking my brain. Fastest move being 10 frames is killing me in training mode when I see I'm +4 and my 2D fighter brain thinks I can link a jab afterward. The fact that there's never a point where my opponent can't combo me is maddening. What the fuck is oki in this game when you're never safe on the floor? What moves are punishable? It feels intuitive in a game like Street Fighter or even Granblue but in this game I can't always tell. And throw breaks being arm-dependent feels so subtle. With so much going on, how do you even notice? I'll learn it eventually I'm sure but right now it's just so frustrating. Gonna watch some more guides (got all your recent ones queued up) and hopefully something will start to click. Sorry to be a salty scrub but I had to get this out somewhere. Thanks for your hard work, Roof. Gonna be leaning on your knowledge a lot coming up.
Loved the video , if you have anymore im sure we would love to hear you out
Thank you so much for the content, was thinking about getting Tekken because customization looks insane, but was hesitant because I didn't know what transferred and what didn't. Thank you for an awesome year and have a merry Christmas!
I've been diving into loads of Tekken tutorials with the T8 demo getting my hype, this couldn't have released at a better time!
Thank you for all the lovely and informative videos this year, and next year.
Thanks for this! I'm a long time 3d fighter, played competitive Tekken Tag Tournament, Soul Calibur 2, and Tekken 4 way back in the day. It's been a while but I'm excited to see more people get into these!
Thanks for this Roof. I copped Tekken 8 and am waiting to expand my fighting game knowledge thanks to this. 🦍
Just from the title i know this video is for me, im a huge fan of fighting games and have been introducing myself to more fighting games like street fighter 6 was the first time i played a street fighter game, strive also first guilty gear game, and now tekken 8 will be the next thing i dive into but man im well unprepared yet eager and excited to get into the nitty gritty of tekken 8
Been playing the Tekken 8 demop religiously since it dropped on PC. This definitely feels like a somewhat easier Tekken to pick up and made me do a 180 on Jin. I liked T3 Jin and really couldn't get into him in T7 but his gameplay is CRAZY FUN in T8!
T3 Jin is still around as devil jin
@@-Pepsimayn- didn't know that. Never got around to playing devil Jin because I never liked the horns and huge wings.
Glad to see more talk about Tekken. It's the most satisfying fighting game around so we need more players to share in that satisfaction.
Sooo satisfying.
Tekken is da bomb man
I still think Soul Calibur and Dead or Alive are better
@@ChrisMS0815 Oh wow. SC close contender but DOA....hell no 😅. I respect your opinion tho.
@@concrete490 I played DoA for the first time near end of DoA5 support, and been playing Tekken since Tekken 2 and I just thought the movement and moves plus parrys and variety of throws were more fun than Tekken. I just don't care for Tekken's slow movement.
Very helpful vid. I’ve been sitting on the fence for a while over getting into Tekken. Keep going back to what I know I like. But this helps give a little more confidence to expand the horizons.
A Rooflemonger Christmas gift ❤
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I’m a fighting game ONLY type of guy. I love how Tekken’s moves pass on to the next! Though MK was my first love, I have never liked the idea of learning how to play (pick a new main) all over again. SF6 & KI on the other hand, keep on satisfying me in other new ways. My hat is off for Tekken and I can’t wait!!
I haven't played tekken since TT1 or T3. I'm mostly a street fighter player, but after trying all 4 characters on the demo... nobody clicked with me until I played Nina. This game is gorgeous and smooth! I only play Online VS so I hope that network is good!
that steam notification sound got me lol, but good video. this is the kind of thing that i needed
just want to add to your Paul thing when he was doing hammerfist.
if you think a low is coming, don't do a hopkick or other lowcrush move, because if you're wrong you're getting floated for a combo, block it instead for that guaranteed launch.
merry x-mas Rooflemonger and chat.
This video is great! I have played Tekken casually since T3 and recently tried Street Fighter for the first time (SF6). I found it to be limiting, frustrating, and sluggish.
I didn't have the technical vocabulary to articulate what was wrong with it exactly, but this video says it all.
I've dabbled with Tekken a bit over the years but no where near to the extent I have other fighters. Tekken seemed very intimidating compared to the other fighters out there but I'm deffo going to be giving Tekken 8 a good go.
Thanks and all the best to you and yours :)
This is insanely helpful thanks!
Something that might seem strange is that MK players (especially those that played a lot of MK11) might find themselves able to acclimate to Tekken quite easily. It's not something I can really explain off the dome, but there's a feeling of shared DNA between the two series, now more than ever.
Those familiar with "traditional 2D fighters" might have a harder time though. Tekken has a completely different rhythm and those players will feel that a bit more than someone who isn't initiated in the fighting genre at all. More or less the same rules, just contextualized differently.
To me, the similarity is that they both use attack strings instead of cancels. The logic in most 2D games is "press the next button when the attack hits" because you're using cancels - whether that's a magic series/gatling or special cancel or w/e. In MK and Tekken, you have to dial in the whole string up front
idk why they arent more 3D fighters. They seem more realistic and provide more options. You dont have to worry about projectile spamming and being locked in a corner. What i hated about 2D fighters was that playing online would amount to someone spamming projectiles to keep you away and i had to keep jumping and blocking to get to them if my character didnt have proper projectiles.
Because I play SCVI I don't really need this video, but this is a fantastic idea for those who really don't touch 3D fighting games.
The trouble I'm having with the Tekken 8 demo the Tekken specific stuff. It's controls are whacked out compared to SC, it also feels as well.
Really nice video Roof.
As a vision impaired fighting game player I have always struggled with 3D fighting games. Bought soulcallabar 6 last year and have hardly played it.
I think it's because I can visualise 2D moves easier than 3D moves. So I find the distinction with rush down and zoners easier to comprehend than what ever 3D fighting games have. I loved Tekken 2, still do even though I don't have access to it, but I was never good at playing it. It is also easier to track someone when they can only move forwards or backwards, those side stepping moves can be difficult to work out. I have more I could say but I think this is enough for now. I respect 3D fighting games but for now they are not for me. Who knows, if Tekken 8 has some strong accessibility options that could all change.
It does have some accessibility options for vision impaired people, including turning the fighter models into 2D sillhouettes, which could help a little, I guess? YT won't let me post a Twitter link, but you might find a demonstration video with a bit of googling.
id love to see the reverse, as a person who played tekken before sf and other 2D games, the adjustment was horrendous, neutral felt so different, agression, the corner, airborne moves, etc were so hard to learn
Thanks for letting me know about the demo!!!
I had the reverse transition of coming from 3D fighting games to 2D. It took so long for me to unlearn stand blocking as the default block lol
But now that I've played more 2D fighting games lately, this video is a good refresher!
lol same, GBVS in my case
I'm using this video in reverse because I had a long past with 3D fighters and started to get serious in Virtua Fighter 5 FS and really only small amounts of 2D ones.
Another thing for Tekken (not sure for other 3D fighters) but you can block while back dashing, which makes it a super strong get off me tool
great vid for those of us who are new to the scene with SF6 or MK1 and are wondering about Tekken. thanks!
Never played 3D fighter but takken 8 demo got me in a choke hold. Vid help me beat my ghost thank you Rooflemonger
If you want to get good the fastest way is sticking with one character especially in Tekken it takes much longer to completely understand a character imo. And if you‘re completely new to 3D don’t get frustrated you‘ll lose a lot of games simply bc you don’t know the Matchup.
Not to get into too much Tekken minutia, but it's worth mentioning that you can sidestep from a crouch, but only to your character's left.
Haha the bear gently touching her face at 1:54 😂
Thanks for this guide! Looking forward to the Tekken 8 coverage 👍🏽
Having played the Tekken 8 demo, it seems easier to perform side steps. One issue I had with 7 (the one I've put any amount of time into) was how I was always jumping or crouching when I was trying to utilize the 3D space.
I'm drawn to this series because my finger dexterity is rather poor, which makes executing long/precise combos difficult. Surprisingly, my fingers spaz out at the correct input rate for Tekken.
stepping is MUCH better in Tekken 8 compared to 7.
@@rooflemonger My dream would be 8 Way Run from SC, but that would require a block button, and we can't have that. Not in muh tekken.
Or we could have good netcode in SC...
The hardest thing to learn in tekken is the input timing, you need to press the direction + input at the same time,
Down Foward 2 is different from holding Down + Foward and pressing 2.
It took me time to get used it
I grew up playing Tekken Tag Tournament but I've never been into fighting games so never really cared about playing it seriously. Spent a lot of time later on playing 2D ones like Mortal Kombat 9 and Injustice. But then I started plaSoul Calibur 6 and I like that one a lot more. Not just because it's 3D but also because you use weapons too
Also remember side step evasion works differently in different 3D fighters. Like in VF evades are success/fail, not hitbox based like in Tekken.
Whew! This is such a hard jump. So glad I grew up playing Tekken, MVC2 and SF. God speed to all your first timers
As a King main, I don't even do the chain grabs but usually just the RDC after a wavedash but mostly I just do a lot of pokes and Counter hit moves like b1, and focus more on punishing.
I could've used this video the other way around as a Tekken player lol. I've been playing SF6 for a little while but I've only just gotten out of the habit of randomly stand blocking (which I have from Tekken) after doing a move that's like -3 on block.
Cause I'm so used to just holding back to not get hit in Tekken after doing something that's quite minus but safe on block.
Worth noting is that, the reason you don't crouch block by default is because, unlike other 2d fighting games, in Tekken most launchers are mids, while lows don't often launch on normal hit, and/or are slow enough for the trained player to react to them.
For example in SF6 anything could start a combo with drive rush so you naturally want to hold crouch and react to overheads because they are slower and because every character has like 1 or 2 over heads
My main problem with fighting games other than Tekken is the input and execution of moves.
It's too fast/twitchy for me, in Tekken I can "piano" moves and it'll still come out whereas other games, you have to be precise.
I find it more enjoyable when you can execute special moves 90% of the time without doing QCF/HCF or charge motions tbh.
It doesn't dumb down the difficulty of execution IMHO, you still have to time your moves correctly and when to whip it out.
Tekken just a month away also Merry Christmas
merry christmas!
One of the things that sounds obvious but took me forever to understand with Tekken is that if you want to figure out the input to do a move your opponent did, you can usually look at the limbs to know which button and guess the direction.
Damn, for the life of me I could not get into Tekken despite loving the style, characters and everything. No wonder I couldn't get into it, I was playing it as if it was a 2d fighter. Amazing work as always, hyped af for T8
Been playing T7 for about two weeks and this video couldn’t have come at a better time….Roofle for President
I wasn't super interested in 8 until the end of the roster started looking pretty good, that it sounds like they've shifted movement focus from KBD to sidestep sounds more appealing too. Really hope they get the netcode tuned up some more by launch, sounds better than 7 but still not anywhere near where other games are right now.
As someone who only plays Tekken : cool video man, merry christmas
Best fighting game video ever! Thank you for your wisdom!
Merry Crimbus Mr Roofle!
Thanks for the advices ! Tekken 8 will be my first 3d fighting game that I'll try to play seriously, I can't wait for it to launch !
There is also one thing that I find annoying in Tekken compared to like Street Fighter, it is the fact there is no such thing as lights, mediums and heavies, in Tekken the attacks are classified with Right arm, left arm, right leg and left leg. It makes things so hard to remember, the same button can be a fast hit in a string and a big heavy attack in another, is there something that I'm missing ? It really makes move lists difficult to learn for me
Although each face button corresponds to a different limb, I've never found it helpful to think about it that precisely. All I ever needed for things to feel intuitive was to remember that 1 and 2 (square and triangle) are arm-related moves, and 3 and 4 (X and O) are leg-related moves. Beyond that, it's just learning the movelist for your character.
Ive been fighting 2d fighting games my whole life and ever since I started playing 3d like tekken or virtua fighter Ive gotten into the 3D fighting genre ever since
This video is where I'd put my virtua fighter 6 if I had one
I originate from Brawlhalla, and this shift in style is truly nice. It's going to be a nice journey, I hope.
3d games have been more exciting to play than 2d, and I feel it takes more skill also in my opinion. Tekken is hard to play when you know nothing about it, but once you understand its addicting
a big one that wasnt mentioned and maybe thats tekken specific is, that you can defend while retreating and cancel movement at any time.
You’re always making the exact kind of videos that I need. Thank you for all your content 🙏
I haven’t played Tekken since Tekken 5. I know the mechanics have changed since but the basics of Tekken haven’t. Just practicing and remember a move set for a few players is important. Be great at 2-5 players and be good at the rest
Thank you friend
I should have known you play Kuma.. Keep up the good work, Roof!
I wanna meet the person who designed the outfits in this game. There all so good.
I think it would be cool if 2D fighters added stand high and stand mid. Like what if in Street Fighter standing normals and command normals could be crouched blocked like normal (High) but standing special Attacks can only be blocked standing (Mid)
I play King in Tekken and I have been playing him since Tekken 1 😮! I play all fighting games I can get my hands on and for 3d fighters SS is huge and just the sheer amount of moves each character has lol! King has so many moves and I try to remember them all from link throws to tracking moves to launchers! Hope you enjoy Tekken its well worth anyones time!
Super helpful, much appreciated!!!
The funny thing for me was that I was the complete opposite. I started with a 3D fighter and had to learn how to transition into 2D.
Thank you
I’m coming from Tekken to 2ds and I struggled to force myself to crouch block lol
With Shimbori working on T8, how does it feel compared to DOA? I've always preferred DOA to Tekken, so I'm curious
Tekken is still tekken, but on the presentation/camera angles/some stages its way more DoA now, and the gameplay is getting closer to VF with stepping being a lot better and heat forcing people to get stuck in against each other
Fighters Megamix taught me that valuable crouch blocking lesson early on 😂
15:48 I hear that steam achievement rooflemonger lol
I bought the pc version of 7 to record video specifically cause the ps4 version is so ugly looking now lol
We need 3D fighters to make a full comeback the same way 2D fighters did back in the 2010s.
There’s very little variety in the 3D space, only down to Tekken and SoulCalibur. I could hope for Bloody Roar, Virtua Fighter. DoA, and Naruto: Clash of Ninja to return someday.
Maybe even Tobal, if Square Enix is interested enough.
There's nothing I want more in this genre than to see a new Bloody Roar, but sadly Konami has the IP, so there's no way it'll see the light of day again.
Yeah, it's really sad that the sub-genre has shrunken down to just 2 franchises from the same publisher. And hell, it's really only one. SCVI hasn't gotten a new game since 2018 and Bandai-Namco seems to prefer Tekken.
Much love.💪🏾💙
I played Soul Calibur 6 for a bit which I thought was a great game but the vast majority of 3d players prefer Tekken so if soul Calibur is that good and this game is widely considered much better then I'm pretty hyped for it.