Love the comparison. I had a 43 on order, but I grew so accustomed to my Q2 and the flexibility 28mm field of view afforded me, I chickened out and opted for the Q3 28 instead. Very creative logo you have there!!
Q3 43 is such a nice looking camera. I would love to see more colors though. The 43 would be my pick of the Q3. I am currently using a Lumix S9 with the Sigma 45 2.8. So my poor man’s Q3 45. 😂
I think so too. And you can still get 28mm and 43mm, you just have to crop it. But you can’t crop out to 21mm, nor would a wide angle converter be practical for the standard Q3… I think it would work right?
@@bigheadtaco Well for a few of us a Q3/21 would be heaven, but understandably, maybe too few for Leica. Nonetheless, in honor of the idea, I just went out and shot with the XF14 on my XP3. Such a sweet lens, and great angle of view on the street! Ps: Rumors are this coming spring Fuji will be announcing a GFX fixed lens camera with 28mm full frame equivalent lens. Hmm... I'm saving my pennies.
When I shot film with my Nikon F system I had a 24 mm which was great, however you really need to keep the camera level otherwise curvature is a problem.....I think 28 is a bit more forgiving.
I was in my car en route to Camera West the day that thing came out. I do love it, great for street portraits I miss the 28 sometimes but I have found that an SL2 with a manual focus Voigtlander 28 scratches that itch.
@@Spearmanmark I use either my M10-R or SL2 with my beloved 28mm Summicron, and definitely a lot of fun. Q3 is great, but I also enjoy the challenge of focusing manually, as well as the character of my Summicron. I do know that the Q3 will be a technically ‘better’ image though, but I really don’t care about that.
@@Spearmanmark funny thing is when you talk to the people at Leica, they have the same attitude. They want to make the best lenses in the world, but when I ask them their favourite lens, it’s rarely their ‘best’ lenses. It’s usually some old pre-ASPH lens with lots of technical ‘flaws’.
i don't particularly like the focal length, but I think it's great they are doing alternate versions. This is what Fuji should do with their x100 series. Like Sigma did with their dp series - 4 fofal lengths from 14mm to 50. I think a 21 or even shorter focal length would be fantastic BUT I really want a 75/85/90 mm. If they did that, Id have to switch (if I can afford it!)
@@boshooda I’ve written a dozen articles for Fujilove about wanting different focal length and versions of the X100 series, as well as my most recent video talking about the X100.
@@bigheadtacoIsn’t a better option to just release XPro4? At some point, rather than having an entire fleet of fixed lens cameras, doesn’t it make more sense to just do an interchangeable lens version.
After using my Sony RX1 (fixed 35mm FF) for past decade or so, I would never go wider; I’d be very interested in the Q3 43 if I ever upgraded. When the Q was released, I was surprised they didn’t just make it 35mm.
I wouldn't want to trade my Q3 28mm. I like to crop the image a lot and do so often, but I find the focal length to be perfect. If you really want more isolation and bokeh, you can always get closer. It's actually 26mm, my Sony 24mm 1.4 GM is a bit wider angle.
The longer the lens on a fixed-lens camera, the more limiting and, hence, the smaller the potential market. I am not particularly fond of the 35mm lens on the Sony RX1 Rii, love my Q3, have no interest in the 43, but would definitely be intrigued by a 21, depending on the close-focus distance. Still, I am guessing the 28mm is the market sweet spot. I can't imagine there being much of a market for a 90mm, despite my fondness for that lens for portraits.
During the age of film cameras (e.g. the last century), 50mm was widely-agreed upon as the standard universal lens. During that time, every camera came with a 50mm as the kit/starter lens (bar none). There was literally no interchangeable-lens camera that came with 28mm as its standard lens. One of the given reasons for this - 50mm full-frame is closest to human field of view. 35mm was the wide-angle lens of choice while 28mm was the start of super-wide angle (obviously lens technology was different then). Only cheaper point-n-shoot cameras came with wide angle lenses as standard. For that reason, I think 43mm is more of a general purpose lens while the 28mm is more for landscapes. Of course, with foot-work, either lens will work in many situations.
I LIKE 28mm, but I prefer 24mm. I had the 45/2 and also enjoyed that. Oddly, though, I always prefered a 55 or 58mm over a 50mm. Shooting M42 film for almost 20 years I went through a lot of nifty fifties from all manner of who-knows brands.
I agree - it would seem the way to do it would be to make the DLUX a more serious camera. But that would obviously make it more expensive, which would not make business sense for Leica. So maybe keep that model, but add a new, much higher spec model in that small body. I love my Q2, and have a DLUX7 that is more coat-pocketable, but the specs are a little weak to count on it much. They could double the DLUX price to around $3k for a new model with very high specs and I would be all over that. I don't think it would cannibalize the Q for several reasons. I also think that it is much, much easier to buy a $3,200 camera than a $7,000 camera. Leica's sales volume would be good on the new model.
Definitely a first world problem😂. Just picked up the original Q3, because how can you say Leica’s are overpriced for what they are, when you truly never owned a Leica and shot with one. With that being said, I believe the Q3 could be cheaper (overpriced for a fixed lens camera, in my opinion). Now about that supposed “Leica Look”, I believe this to be a real thing. When I pixel peep, the grain pattern looks very different to me then any of my past or present Fujifilm, Panasonic, Pentax/Ricoh, or Nikon mirrorless/DSLRs. It does appear more film like in grain pattern representation, to me. Build quality of the Leica Q3 is top notch, however the focusing system (even with the latest firmware) is still behind other cameras that I have shot with. Now the Leica FOTOS app, has just been a dream to use. To me the best photo app out there by any camera manufacturer, with Panasonic being a very close second. Now, the comparison between the original Q3 and the Q3 43 comparison, I can’t see how the Q3 43 falls into the truly “Street/Urban photography” category like the original Q3. However, I will just have to get a Q3 43 to see for myself, but that leads me back to my original statement in this post. Am I willing to pay even a HIGHER price for the Q3 43 than the original Q3? Again, way overpriced. Calm down Leica. I think and understand now why people who own Leica cameras believe these cameras somehow bestow a special kind of imaginary photographic expertise and prestige to their photography. However, that is not true. Just like this channel. I liked when you opened up and actual said “Big Head Taco”, now it is BHT with more coverage of the Leica brand then before when it was focused more on Fujifilm and Ricoh cameras (I have been a follower of the channel for over 4 years, maybe longer). I still like the videos and the channel in general, but LONG for the “Big Head Taco” intro days.😢
thanks for your input and congrats on the Q3. Lots to dissect here. It's hard to say if the Q3 is overpriced or not because you need to compare it to something else. The closest camera would be the 8 year old Sony RX1, and that wasn't cheap when it came out either. As for my channel, Fujifilm has changed their policy on camera loans. You may notice I struggle to get gear from Fujifilm. I use to get them early and they allowed me to borrow gear for months. Now I get the camera 3 months after launch and I only get it for 2 weeks. As for Ricoh, they don't return my emails, so I stopped reviewing them only because they're not interested in sending me gear. So I focus on a brand that actually cares about me as a photographer and as a person. If Ricoh, or Panasonic, or Sony, or Nikon want to send me gear to check out, I'll check them out. I can always borrow gear from colleagues or camera stores, but I have a general policy. If I don't work directly with the manufacturer, I won't regularly review their gear.
The Contax G series had a sweet 45mm standard lens. Konica came with a 40. For me, it’s impossible not to notice the focal length in any wide angle photo. I want to see the content, not the focal length and distortion.
I think 43 is easier and I am sure an overwhelming majority of photographers will agree. Wider focal lengths just require you to handle more compositional elements.
@ I agree, but I’m also realistic about the size of Leica and that of Sony, Canon, Nikon, etc. I don’t think Leica will ever equal Japanese technology, especially when you consider the concentration of technology just within Tokyo, and how many of the brands collaborates. Leica does work closely with Panasonic, but I still think Sony, Canon and Nikon are on a different level. Leica’s strength is industrial design, ergonomics, German build quality, and optics. Electronics is actually their weakness.
@@bigheadtaco The quality of software and electronics is limited by the capabilities Panasonic offers to Leica. I have done technical anaylsis of Pana & Leica firmware and it's interesting to see how Leica build on top of the APIs Panasonic gives them.
I Wouldn’t trade my Q3 28 for ANYTHING! Love it, the 43 is nice but for me the 28 is PERFECT.
100% agree 🎉🎉🎉
Love the comparison. I had a 43 on order, but I grew so accustomed to my Q2 and the flexibility 28mm field of view afforded me, I chickened out and opted for the Q3 28 instead. Very creative logo you have there!!
@@dhaug congrats. I mean, you can always crop your 28mm images to 43mm if you wanted to, but you can’t do it the other way around.
Q3 43 is such a nice looking camera. I would love to see more colors though. The 43 would be my pick of the Q3.
I am currently using a Lumix S9 with the Sigma 45 2.8. So my poor man’s Q3 45. 😂
I haven’t tested the S9 yet but it looks interesting!
28mm is my fav focal length so prefer regular Q3, but APO lens on Q3 43 sure is tempting. I would like to get into Q line one of these years.
Maybe consider starting with a used Q2?
I’ve been thinking of getting a used Q2 Monochrome for months now. This video is definitely persuasive! Nice review BHT, thanks!
The Q2 is a great camera still. The monochrome version is a crazy good though, as long as you love bnw images ;-)
Niche upon niche, a Q3 21? Now THAT would be cool! :^)
I think so too. And you can still get 28mm and 43mm, you just have to crop it. But you can’t crop out to 21mm, nor would a wide angle converter be practical for the standard Q3… I think it would work right?
@@bigheadtaco Well for a few of us a Q3/21 would be heaven, but understandably, maybe too few for Leica. Nonetheless, in honor of the idea, I just went out and shot with the XF14 on my XP3. Such a sweet lens, and great angle of view on the street! Ps: Rumors are this coming spring Fuji will be announcing a GFX fixed lens camera with 28mm full frame equivalent lens. Hmm... I'm saving my pennies.
When I shot film with my Nikon F system I had a 24 mm which was great, however you really need to keep the camera level otherwise curvature is a problem.....I think 28 is a bit more forgiving.
@ I love the XF14mm lens, but it definitely needs an update. The Viltrox AF13mm f/1.4 is an awsome lens!!
@ any 3rd party autofocus 18/20mm 3rd party lenses
I was in my car en route to Camera West the day that thing came out. I do love it, great for street portraits I miss the 28 sometimes but I have found that an SL2 with a manual focus Voigtlander 28 scratches that itch.
@@Spearmanmark I use either my M10-R or SL2 with my beloved 28mm Summicron, and definitely a lot of fun. Q3 is great, but I also enjoy the challenge of focusing manually, as well as the character of my Summicron. I do know that the Q3 will be a technically ‘better’ image though, but I really don’t care about that.
@ Tell it, Brother.
@@Spearmanmark funny thing is when you talk to the people at Leica, they have the same attitude. They want to make the best lenses in the world, but when I ask them their favourite lens, it’s rarely their ‘best’ lenses. It’s usually some old pre-ASPH lens with lots of technical ‘flaws’.
@@bigheadtaco yeah, it ain’t about building a better mouse trap. It’s the intangibles.
i don't particularly like the focal length, but I think it's great they are doing alternate versions. This is what Fuji should do with their x100 series. Like Sigma did with their dp series - 4 fofal lengths from 14mm to 50. I think a 21 or even shorter focal length would be fantastic BUT I really want a 75/85/90 mm. If they did that, Id have to switch (if I can afford it!)
@@boshooda I’ve written a dozen articles for Fujilove about wanting different focal length and versions of the X100 series, as well as my most recent video talking about the X100.
@@bigheadtaco hopefully they listen!
@@bigheadtacoIsn’t a better option to just release XPro4? At some point, rather than having an entire fleet of fixed lens cameras, doesn’t it make more sense to just do an interchangeable lens version.
Said it forever. If you gonna make a new model drop the macro wheel and make it a tri-elmar 24-35-50
That would be cool!!
This would be great but an f/4 fixed lens camera with optical compromises would be a hard to push idea internally I think.
43 is actually the measurement of the diagonal of 35mm film (or a full frame sensor) and so said by some to be the most native lens for that format.
After using my Sony RX1 (fixed 35mm FF) for past decade or so, I would never go wider; I’d be very interested in the Q3 43 if I ever upgraded. When the Q was released, I was surprised they didn’t just make it 35mm.
I wouldn't want to trade my Q3 28mm. I like to crop the image a lot and do so often, but I find the focal length to be perfect. If you really want more isolation and bokeh, you can always get closer. It's actually 26mm, my Sony 24mm 1.4 GM is a bit wider angle.
I also love the Leica Q series😍
I think if the did more Q3 cameras, a 21mm and a 90mm would be awesome.
I really think the 21mm would do well.
The longer the lens on a fixed-lens camera, the more limiting and, hence, the smaller the potential market. I am not particularly fond of the 35mm lens on the Sony RX1 Rii, love my Q3, have no interest in the 43, but would definitely be intrigued by a 21, depending on the close-focus distance. Still, I am guessing the 28mm is the market sweet spot. I can't imagine there being much of a market for a 90mm, despite my fondness for that lens for portraits.
@@tonyadamis4171 i understand that. I Never said it would sell. I said it would be nice. And it would be awesome.
Exactly, both would be great!
@@tonyadamis4171agreed 🤓🤓🤓
During the age of film cameras (e.g. the last century), 50mm was widely-agreed upon as the standard universal lens. During that time, every camera came with a 50mm as the kit/starter lens (bar none). There was literally no interchangeable-lens camera that came with 28mm as its standard lens. One of the given reasons for this - 50mm full-frame is closest to human field of view. 35mm was the wide-angle lens of choice while 28mm was the start of super-wide angle (obviously lens technology was different then). Only cheaper point-n-shoot cameras came with wide angle lenses as standard. For that reason, I think 43mm is more of a general purpose lens while the 28mm is more for landscapes. Of course, with foot-work, either lens will work in many situations.
I LIKE 28mm, but I prefer 24mm.
I had the 45/2 and also enjoyed that. Oddly, though, I always prefered a 55 or 58mm over a 50mm. Shooting M42 film for almost 20 years I went through a lot of nifty fifties from all manner of who-knows brands.
@@ChristofferNelsonG 24mm is also great. Actually the Leica Q lens is more like 26mm than a true 28mm.
i would love a Q 21 , would be fantastic
@@stephenedmunds207 I’ll mention it to the Leica design team…
Sold my Q3 28mm to get the 43mm and never look back! Leica should have released the 43mmm much much earlier!
I really wish the 43 is a smaller lens, but oh well. Maybe Leica could release a more pocketable non-apo version of these Q series.
I agree - it would seem the way to do it would be to make the DLUX a more serious camera. But that would obviously make it more expensive, which would not make business sense for Leica. So maybe keep that model, but add a new, much higher spec model in that small body. I love my Q2, and have a DLUX7 that is more coat-pocketable, but the specs are a little weak to count on it much. They could double the DLUX price to around $3k for a new model with very high specs and I would be all over that. I don't think it would cannibalize the Q for several reasons. I also think that it is much, much easier to buy a $3,200 camera than a $7,000 camera. Leica's sales volume would be good on the new model.
Definitely a first world problem😂. Just picked up the original Q3, because how can you say Leica’s are overpriced for what they are, when you truly never owned a Leica and shot with one.
With that being said, I believe the Q3 could be cheaper (overpriced for a fixed lens camera, in my opinion).
Now about that supposed “Leica Look”, I believe this to be a real thing. When I pixel peep, the grain pattern looks very different to me then any of my past or present Fujifilm, Panasonic, Pentax/Ricoh, or Nikon mirrorless/DSLRs. It does appear more film like in grain pattern representation, to me.
Build quality of the Leica Q3 is top notch, however the focusing system (even with the latest firmware) is still behind other cameras that I have shot with.
Now the Leica FOTOS app, has just been a dream to use. To me the best photo app out there by any camera manufacturer, with Panasonic being a very close second.
Now, the comparison between the original Q3 and the Q3 43 comparison, I can’t see how the Q3 43 falls into the truly “Street/Urban photography” category like the original Q3.
However, I will just have to get a Q3 43 to see for myself, but that leads me back to my original statement in this post. Am I willing to pay even a HIGHER price for the Q3 43 than the original Q3? Again, way overpriced. Calm down Leica.
I think and understand now why people who own Leica cameras believe these cameras somehow bestow a special kind of imaginary photographic expertise and prestige to their photography.
However, that is not true. Just like this channel. I liked when you opened up and actual said “Big Head Taco”, now it is BHT with more coverage of the Leica brand then before when it was focused more on Fujifilm and Ricoh cameras (I have been a follower of the channel for over 4 years, maybe longer).
I still like the videos and the channel in general, but LONG for the “Big Head Taco” intro days.😢
thanks for your input and congrats on the Q3. Lots to dissect here. It's hard to say if the Q3 is overpriced or not because you need to compare it to something else. The closest camera would be the 8 year old Sony RX1, and that wasn't cheap when it came out either.
As for my channel, Fujifilm has changed their policy on camera loans. You may notice I struggle to get gear from Fujifilm. I use to get them early and they allowed me to borrow gear for months. Now I get the camera 3 months after launch and I only get it for 2 weeks. As for Ricoh, they don't return my emails, so I stopped reviewing them only because they're not interested in sending me gear. So I focus on a brand that actually cares about me as a photographer and as a person. If Ricoh, or Panasonic, or Sony, or Nikon want to send me gear to check out, I'll check them out. I can always borrow gear from colleagues or camera stores, but I have a general policy. If I don't work directly with the manufacturer, I won't regularly review their gear.
The grain is definitely nothing special. It looks exactly the same as any other Sony 61MP sensor camera.
Overpriced in the sense Leica prices their cameras as veblen goods.
TH-cam has listed this as a video about point-and-shoot cameras. Oh dear.
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Ha ha. Not bad. I think security would kick me out if I made it a regular episode. Unless I said ‘Amazing Brentwood’
The Contax G series had a sweet 45mm standard lens. Konica came with a 40. For me, it’s impossible not to notice the focal length in any wide angle photo. I want to see the content, not the focal length and distortion.
@@mp_martin the Contax 45mm f/2 is legendary!
43 makes you work for the photo. 28 is too easy. Regardless 7000 usd is a bit too rich for my liking.
I think 43 is easier and I am sure an overwhelming majority of photographers will agree. Wider focal lengths just require you to handle more compositional elements.
A pretty pompous statement both ways.
None , as neither have reliant and confident AF
It’s using a Sony sensor, so there’s definitely potential for improvement with firmware. I’m hopeful.
@@bigheadtaco for that kind of $'s the AF should be as good as any major brand.
@ I agree, but I’m also realistic about the size of Leica and that of Sony, Canon, Nikon, etc. I don’t think Leica will ever equal Japanese technology, especially when you consider the concentration of technology just within Tokyo, and how many of the brands collaborates. Leica does work closely with Panasonic, but I still think Sony, Canon and Nikon are on a different level. Leica’s strength is industrial design, ergonomics, German build quality, and optics. Electronics is actually their weakness.
@@bigheadtaco The quality of software and electronics is limited by the capabilities Panasonic offers to Leica. I have done technical anaylsis of Pana & Leica firmware and it's interesting to see how Leica build on top of the APIs Panasonic gives them.
I don't like Leica camera at all, but do use its lenses.
That’s fair, Which lenses for what camera system?