Froog, this is a GREAT introductory tutorial to flying the DCS MIG-21: I'm taking lots of notes. Great stuff, thank you! You should do more tutorials along with your great reviews.
Thanks Froog, this is today the most wanted bird in DCS for sure. Great video, i form Brazil and all guys in Agulhas Negras squad is whatyng for this. Thanks again.
I didn't know about Edge! Things are looking up for the SIM community. First Arma 3 and ETS2 went HD. Now we can look forward to DCS on Edge. Along with FSX & TrainSim on UE4. And IL2: BoS.
So excited! I love the Sabre, but I really love all the complex systems of more modern jets and this looks spectacular. So happy it will be on Steam day 1 (or at least I assume day 1, it shows October)
"Fishbed" was the NATO designation for the MiG-21. Most Soviet-era interceptors/fighters were given such nicknames starting with an 'F'. Fresco, Farmer, Fagot, Fisbhed, Foxbat, Flogger, Fulcrum, Flanker, etc.
Vike1121 Yes - that would be the aircraft this goes up against particularly in training, so it only makes sense to add it to the mix - the Mig outpaces the Sabre a bit too much.
I personally prefer the MIG. I've compared both and found the MIG to fit me better in terms of complexity. I also like the MIG better when it comes to overall outside and inside appearence.
the fishbed name comes from the nato reporting system. all fighter aircraft use a word starting with F, such as fishpot or flogger. the names are abstract as to be easier to tell apart from eachother over radio
Just one nitpicky fact check. The MiG-21 was replaced in the interceptor role by the MiG-25, not the MiG-29. The MiG-29 is a multi-role fighter, designed to combat the F-15's and F-16's, and is not a pure interceptor aircraft.
I am a rather casual sim player, was wondering if you would recommend this plane, even if I am more interested in flying than the systems... Though I am not surprised if I might still get it in the far future, as I am contemplating this against the sabre/mig15 right now.
Might be late to answer, but I own the Sabre and the MiG-21 - and honestly, although there is a literal sea of switches in the MiG-21 (it really is mind boggling) - the vast majority of them are simply "switch it on, and never touch it again, until I turn off the aircraft". So it's not as systematically complex as it might seem. There are a lot of systems but they're essentially fire and forget - the only switches you'll ever use in flight is probably the afterburner enable/disable, and in-air restart since you'll inevitably deprive the engine of fuel by accident and end up becoming a lawn dart... There is a very primitive radar, and the weapons loudout is a bit more interesting than the Sabre, so there's some systems management there though. In any case, the MiG-21 is one of, if not *the* most lovingly crafted modules for DCS. If you're in it just purely for the flying experience (that's how I play DCS too!), I'm actually not sure which to recommend you. They're both interesting in their own ways. The MiG is extremely stable at higher speeds, it's a bullet, and of course you can go really really fast in it. But it's actually kind of a beast at low speeds and on landing, so it has difficulty there. In contrast the Sabre is a very well behaved aircraft in general, and of course, it doesn't really go very fast... Unless you nosedive from 30'000 feet, in which case you'll lose all control authority as you pass Mach 1 and die. But it's a pleasant flyer - and more interesting during your typical flight envelope maybe, than the MiG-21. Although weapons wise, it's basically a gun ship, so you'll have to be enthusiastic about 50cals (six of them!), as that'll be your weapon of choice. Finally if you ever go online, the MiG-21 can see some limited use in a modern war scenario, where as the Sabre is basically dead on arrival. So you'll have to look for MiG-15 vs Sabre servers to play online more or less. Maybe that was of any use to you!
So would the alcohol needed for the radar be vodka? (cue rimshot) That looks like a complete handful to pilot and manage. Definitely can't complain about being bored with it. I'm not heavily into military sims but this was interesting to see the amount of detail put into this fighter. However, if they ever come out with a detailed model of a F-14, I might have to look into it!
Regarding the designation "Fishbed": NATO reporting names for Eastern Bloc and Chinese fighter aircraft all start with "F" for "fighter". You can see them all laid-out in pretty tables on Wikipedia too: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_reporting_name Specifically this bit is important in the above article: "To reduce the risk of confusion, unusual or made-up names were allocated, the idea being that the names chosen would be unlikely to occur in normal conversation, and be easier to memorise." So. How did we Western nations come-up with such a silly name like "Fishbed"? We made it up, specifically because it's weird!
The detail is incredible, right down to the sealant paste on the canopy framing and the serial numbers on the perspex. I just hope we can do away with the English labels, because how am I supposed to learn more Russian if I can't press random buttons to see what blows up?
Hey Froogle, cool vid, though they all seem a little dark lately. Maybe you set up on a very bright monitor? Did you change capture software lately? Otherwise great stuff thanks.
Hey Froogle. I've got a video idea. You could do a video on your whole DCS setup, how you got everything working. Would be great for starters like me. I've been simming in FSX for 7 years now but I am new to the DCS world. I would appreciate a response, thanks.
AShadowboxsFSX Well DCS World comes for free with 2 fixed wing aircraft - the trainer mustang and the SU-25T. They'll get you started and then you can decide it you want to continue with reduced complexity aircraft such as the SU-25 or full complexity such as the A-10C. I'd recommend that, or the Mig.
AShadowboxsFSX I have to second the A10C, there you will get the 'most for your money', got it for 2 years now and still new stuff to learn and explore. :D
A-10C! Extremely easy to fly (up and away!) but a good amount of depth. Cheap too, there's currently a great sale that you're not going to get it any cheaper than. Many joysticks and HOTAS designed after it too so no matter if you’re just flying with a keyboard or want to spend £500 on gear you can do that. The height of simulation.
Hey frooglesim do you use Windows 8? I'm having massive issues with my FSX, everytime I go into fullscreen, it starts to glitch out, then eventually goes into 800x600, even though the loading screen shows at 1080p. I've tried reinstalling FSX, installed fresh drivers, Googled it a lot, but can't find a solution anywhere. Do you have any suggestions?
F - fighter aircraft, also later ground attack aircraft; I guess they started running out of interesting names... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NATO_reporting_names_for_fighter_aircraft
The complexity frightens me, but I suppose if I managed to fly the A-10c to a reasonable level of being able to complete missions and use all of the weapons and landing systems I guess this is within reach.
Nice first look, I only fly DCS and was very glad to see that you made a feature about the MiG21. Btw your video got featured by LN: forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2152385&postcount=1 Why haven't you made something about the Sabre, or have I missed it? Also the new Dora is very fun if you haven't gotten it already.. xD Looking forward to see more of DCS on your channel in the future.
Check ED forums, there should be profiles flying around + documentation for those. If you can't find one, just make one for yourself. You really need everything on the Joystick/Hotas page on your Joystick + Flaps&Gear.
Rodrigo Mascarenhas I have a well set up profile I can send you If you'd like. Most places on the ED forums crash my computer whenever I download a profile from there and try to use them, just a fair warning.
ED Forums for sure. It gets pretty sleepy in the A-10 section so people will jump on your problems like a pack of starving wolves. Do a forum search first though. Threads about setting up controls for the X52 are a dime a dozen.
Rodrigo Mascarenhas Yeah, like i said profiles that dont crash your computer are hard to find. Message me if you want more info and we'll figure out a way I can share it to you.
stas harch Age doesn't really come into it. A P51 mustang can out perform a 737 in many phases of flight (obviously not cruise). A well handled Mig 21 can match an F16-A which is why the Mig-21 remains in service in many areas to this day.
WiktorFIN Correct, NATO codenames are based on the role of the aircraft. Fighter aircraft codenames begin with "F", Bombers begin with "B" (Bear, Blackjack, etc), and "H" is for helicopters (Hind, Havoc, etc.)
Yeah, I found that the more clickable the cockpit, the less I need to map so I think a regular joystick is fine. I have more things mapped in the Su-25T than I do in the P-51 or the A-10 (though to be fair, I do map all the hotas stuff on the A-10, but none of the other clickable stuff).
There are alternatives to TrackIR, but you need a little building skills for those. Also, if you manage in FC3 without headtracking, you will manage here with SnapViews aswell. :)
Bob Radu That actually sounds true, but how do you manage to click buttons (which are all over the cockpit) and fly the aircraft at the same time, in combat?
ApoTroll In FC3 the 8-way hat switch that I have is fairly enough, but I thing that for better "simulation" I need a TrackIR.I found some articles about the home-made TrackIR, but it sounds.. not efficient and I don't know if it's going to give me the same experience that TrackIR will give me, and I'll never have the chance to drive a real fighter jet, so getting the best is worth it!but since I can't find a TrackIR in my country, I'll give the home-made a go. Thanks!
It comes with a SU-25T (without complex systems) and with a TF-51D (hight complex P-51D Trainer version). All other aircraft you can buy for very little money, there are offers every month! I'd recommend the A-10C!
"I've had colleagues which will stop working if they run out of alcohol" -Froogle. Brilliant.
Thanks for the quick introduction and to point out the workload in the upcoming MiG-21Bis.
Ghost08151 You're welcome
Some of these beasts are training above a field near my house like twice a month. It's a really great show.
My kingdom for the F-4 Phantom...but I'll settle for its arch rival in the meantime. You've sold me on this.
Froog, this is a GREAT introductory tutorial to flying the DCS MIG-21: I'm taking lots of notes. Great stuff, thank you! You should do more tutorials along with your great reviews.
I cant wait for the f-18C model for DCS! They are currently working on it.
I can't wait for this one! The external model looks simply amazing!
Thanks Froog, this is today the most wanted bird in DCS for sure. Great video, i form Brazil and all guys in Agulhas Negras squad is whatyng for this. Thanks again.
Murilo Murakame You're welcome, glad you enjoyed the video.
Murilo Murakame No it is NOT the most wanted aircraft in DCS World. That is only your opinion
play nice.
SpearHead1011 Haha, yes but you have to admit it's a close battle between F18C&Mig21 :)
lolz...no even little bit
Thank you for the upload.
Time to get out the notepad and take some more notes.
I didn't know about Edge! Things are looking up for the SIM community.
First Arma 3 and ETS2 went HD. Now we can look forward to DCS on Edge. Along with FSX & TrainSim on UE4.
And IL2: BoS.
Of course the Mig-21 is the best. As it was flying over my head day after day near the Czech-German border when I was a boy :).
30k sub hype! Well done man:)
Molyneux199 Thanks sir, and sorry for taking so long to reply. You were the first person to alert me to breaking that barrier.
So excited! I love the Sabre, but I really love all the complex systems of more modern jets and this looks spectacular. So happy it will be on Steam day 1 (or at least I assume day 1, it shows October)
Bob Radu Yeah it's a fantastic beast.
"Fishbed" was the NATO designation for the MiG-21. Most Soviet-era interceptors/fighters were given such nicknames starting with an 'F'. Fresco, Farmer, Fagot, Fisbhed, Foxbat, Flogger, Fulcrum, Flanker, etc.
Stunning! Next please F4 Phantom, and Oculus Rift support!
nice review froogle.
Waiting patiently for this one.Or not so patiently haha
Hopefully in the future we can get an f4 to go along with it.
Vike1121 Yes - that would be the aircraft this goes up against particularly in training, so it only makes sense to add it to the mix - the Mig outpaces the Sabre a bit too much.
So jealous u get to fly it already!
Hi froogle! can you do a vidd on those odd handling characteristics, roll rates, stalls, spins, BFM etc?
Ti voglio bene Frooglesim, grazie per questo video
Saluti da Naples :)
Froogle would you ever consider doing more videos on dcs, i'd love to see some tutorials on it such as for the su-25t?
I personally prefer the MIG. I've compared both and found the MIG to fit me better in terms of complexity. I also like the MIG better when it comes to overall outside and inside appearence.
I watched the whole thing without even noticing its been 16 minutes.
twice :)
good one!
Great first impression! So where is the FW190 D-9 review at ... for some reason I don't see it anywhere. :D
Man, this is sexy to the max but im a bit worried that itll be too complex..
never tryed dcs world before but looks great!
AAHHHHHG I CANT WAAIIIIIIIT!!!!!! sweet video, great view of whats to come for us non early access...ers.
the fishbed name comes from the nato reporting system. all fighter aircraft use a word starting with F, such as fishpot or flogger. the names are abstract as to be easier to tell apart from eachother over radio
Great stuff. Frightening deep terrifying just what we need :)
Cool Video Froggle, probably gonna get it, you conviced me : )
My uncle used to fly this a couple years ago.
Mig-21Bis is now available for pre-purchase!
Very good preview. Can you make another one ?:)
Just one nitpicky fact check. The MiG-21 was replaced in the interceptor role by the MiG-25, not the MiG-29. The MiG-29 is a multi-role fighter, designed to combat the F-15's and F-16's, and is not a pure interceptor aircraft.
Wow, amazing jet to fly on DCS. How do you get the kneeboard in DCS?
how can you compare it to the Sabre? You just said that everything works.
Good video but I am eagerly awaiting the F-18 Super Hornet, I hope she comes this year and is just as detailed. Fingers crossed! Fingers crossed! ;D
Will you do more DCS content. Saber and P-51 would be interesting.
DesignEyeQ yes
Hey Froogle,
do you have a set up video for DCS?
I am a rather casual sim player, was wondering if you would recommend this plane, even if I am more interested in flying than the systems...
Though I am not surprised if I might still get it in the far future, as I am contemplating this against the sabre/mig15 right now.
Might be late to answer, but I own the Sabre and the MiG-21 - and honestly, although there is a literal sea of switches in the MiG-21 (it really is mind boggling) - the vast majority of them are simply "switch it on, and never touch it again, until I turn off the aircraft". So it's not as systematically complex as it might seem. There are a lot of systems but they're essentially fire and forget - the only switches you'll ever use in flight is probably the afterburner enable/disable, and in-air restart since you'll inevitably deprive the engine of fuel by accident and end up becoming a lawn dart... There is a very primitive radar, and the weapons loudout is a bit more interesting than the Sabre, so there's some systems management there though. In any case, the MiG-21 is one of, if not *the* most lovingly crafted modules for DCS.
If you're in it just purely for the flying experience (that's how I play DCS too!), I'm actually not sure which to recommend you. They're both interesting in their own ways. The MiG is extremely stable at higher speeds, it's a bullet, and of course you can go really really fast in it. But it's actually kind of a beast at low speeds and on landing, so it has difficulty there. In contrast the Sabre is a very well behaved aircraft in general, and of course, it doesn't really go very fast... Unless you nosedive from 30'000 feet, in which case you'll lose all control authority as you pass Mach 1 and die. But it's a pleasant flyer - and more interesting during your typical flight envelope maybe, than the MiG-21. Although weapons wise, it's basically a gun ship, so you'll have to be enthusiastic about 50cals (six of them!), as that'll be your weapon of choice.
Finally if you ever go online, the MiG-21 can see some limited use in a modern war scenario, where as the Sabre is basically dead on arrival. So you'll have to look for MiG-15 vs Sabre servers to play online more or less.
Maybe that was of any use to you!
Thanks!
So would the alcohol needed for the radar be vodka? (cue rimshot)
That looks like a complete handful to pilot and manage. Definitely can't complain about being bored with it. I'm not heavily into military sims but this was interesting to see the amount of detail put into this fighter. However, if they ever come out with a detailed model of a F-14, I might have to look into it!
Holy Crap!!
MatejSJ Indeed.
Where do you find the time to learn all this?!?! Great video as always. :)
Regarding the designation "Fishbed": NATO reporting names for Eastern Bloc and Chinese fighter aircraft all start with "F" for "fighter". You can see them all laid-out in pretty tables on Wikipedia too: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_reporting_name
Specifically this bit is important in the above article: "To reduce the risk of confusion, unusual or made-up names were allocated, the idea being that the names chosen would be unlikely to occur in normal conversation, and be easier to memorise."
So. How did we Western nations come-up with such a silly name like "Fishbed"? We made it up, specifically because it's weird!
Can I get this now from ED site for the steam version of DCS or do I hate to wait for it to be released on steam?
The detail is incredible, right down to the sealant paste on the canopy framing and the serial numbers on the perspex. I just hope we can do away with the English labels, because how am I supposed to learn more Russian if I can't press random buttons to see what blows up?
rossmum Ha. I don't think I'd get very far if everything was retained in the original Russian.
Hi, do you use a joystick and track IR? i was thinking of investing in a good joystick for DCS. What would you recommend?
***** I do yes. I use the X55 from Saitek, and the Thrustmaster Warthog
Very good!
RoSi4You Thanks
Hey Froogle, cool vid, though they all seem a little dark lately. Maybe you set up on a very bright monitor? Did you change capture software lately? Otherwise great stuff thanks.
koopification I use a ton of different capture methods depending on what I'm recording. In this case it was Fraps at 1440P and downscaled.
Hey Froogle. I've got a video idea. You could do a video on your whole DCS setup, how you got everything working. Would be great for starters like me. I've been simming in FSX for 7 years now but I am new to the DCS world.
I would appreciate a response, thanks.
Hey Froogle, for someone like myself who is new to DCS, what (fixed wing) aircraft would you recommend to get them started?
AShadowboxsFSX Well DCS World comes for free with 2 fixed wing aircraft - the trainer mustang and the SU-25T. They'll get you started and then you can decide it you want to continue with reduced complexity aircraft such as the SU-25 or full complexity such as the A-10C. I'd recommend that, or the Mig.
frooglesim
Thanks Froogle. Great video as always.
I'd recommend the A-10C, it's simply the best!
AShadowboxsFSX
I have to second the A10C, there you will get the 'most for your money', got it for 2 years now and still new stuff to learn and explore. :D
A-10C! Extremely easy to fly (up and away!) but a good amount of depth. Cheap too, there's currently a great sale that you're not going to get it any cheaper than. Many joysticks and HOTAS designed after it too so no matter if you’re just flying with a keyboard or want to spend £500 on gear you can do that. The height of simulation.
Froogle you should play Falcon.4.0 ;)
Hey frooglesim do you use Windows 8?
I'm having massive issues with my FSX, everytime I go into fullscreen, it starts to glitch out, then eventually goes into 800x600, even though the loading screen shows at 1080p. I've tried reinstalling FSX, installed fresh drivers, Googled it a lot, but can't find a solution anywhere. Do you have any suggestions?
I never use Windows 8
Oh, nevermind then
The only way I found to fix it was to use borderless windows tweak
Amazing! Seems like the relationship between Russian-made jets and a bottle of vodka (an alcohol) is almost mystical. What about an autopilot?
where is nevada terrain?
F - fighter aircraft, also later ground attack aircraft; I guess they started running out of interesting names... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NATO_reporting_names_for_fighter_aircraft
Elmebeck thanks
14:40
Well they should.
The complexity frightens me, but I suppose if I managed to fly the A-10c to a reasonable level of being able to complete missions and use all of the weapons and landing systems I guess this is within reach.
Kieran Horner Don't be frightened. It's a study sim. All that's required is a little study and practice - just more than 3 days ;)
If you really want a challenge, set the cockpit language to russian :p
hay Froogle do you know if they are bring out a mig 15
OXYOXYOXY444 I do not know unfortunately.
I think Belsimtek will :D
ta for that
SuperMarioMontiLP ta
Wow! :O
mig ftw
Is this fsx
Nice first look, I only fly DCS and was very glad to see that you made a feature about the MiG21. Btw your video got featured by LN: forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2152385&postcount=1
Why haven't you made something about the Sabre, or have I missed it? Also the new Dora is very fun if you haven't gotten it already.. xD Looking forward to see more of DCS on your channel in the future.
pc specs ?
What simulator is that?
DCS. you can find out more information about it in the video description above
froogle what is the simulator r u using..??? this cant be fsx.. and how do u have this traffic of fighter jets to fight against ???
Ahmed arif DCS World - the link to it is in the video description.
You're not very bright are you Ahmed?
oh i thought the DCS are develepors.. thank u vry much :)
Nice video but I think I will pass on this bird.
MiG-21 "Balalaika"
Hey guys , im really struggling on setting up my controls in DCS A10-C , i hava a Saitek x52 , can someone help me pleae???
Check ED forums, there should be profiles flying around + documentation for those. If you can't find one, just make one for yourself. You really need everything on the Joystick/Hotas page on your Joystick + Flaps&Gear.
Rodrigo Mascarenhas I have a well set up profile I can send you If you'd like. Most places on the ED forums crash my computer whenever I download a profile from there and try to use them, just a fair warning.
***** i would really apprechiate if you could send , me , i still havent found any good one...
ED Forums for sure. It gets pretty sleepy in the A-10 section so people will jump on your problems like a pack of starving wolves.
Do a forum search first though. Threads about setting up controls for the X52 are a dime a dozen.
Rodrigo Mascarenhas Yeah, like i said profiles that dont crash your computer are hard to find. Message me if you want more info and we'll figure out a way I can share it to you.
MIG 21 for best
It can't be close to the original F-16A, just because the F-16 is ~18 years younger(1956 vs 1974).
stas harch Age doesn't really come into it. A P51 mustang can out perform a 737 in many phases of flight (obviously not cruise). A well handled Mig 21 can match an F16-A which is why the Mig-21 remains in service in many areas to this day.
frooglesim Not to mention the mach 2 capable F-16 being replaced with the mach 1.6 capable F-35...
"Now you can see that the bulk of the aircraft is actually made up of the engine...."
Yea, that'd be a Russian aircraft alright. :P
its called the fishbed because it looks like the Russian interments of the same type.
I believe the logic behind fishbed is the letter "f" just like all nato enemy fighter designators (flanker, fulcrum, foxbat...)
WiktorFIN
Correct, NATO codenames are based on the role of the aircraft.
Fighter aircraft codenames begin with "F", Bombers begin with "B" (Bear, Blackjack, etc), and "H" is for helicopters (Hind, Havoc, etc.)
MIG-21 Bis >>>>>>>>>>>>> \o/
Is this P3D?
Beautiful aircraft but alas DCS world is far to complicated for me.
Well, until a man gets his X-55 and TrackIr, the man is going to stick with his Flaming Cliff planes, sadly :/
***** I think TrackIR is incredibly useful in these aircraft, but with that you should be just fine with a normal joystick
Yeah, I found that the more clickable the cockpit, the less I need to map so I think a regular joystick is fine. I have more things mapped in the Su-25T than I do in the P-51 or the A-10 (though to be fair, I do map all the hotas stuff on the A-10, but none of the other clickable stuff).
There are alternatives to TrackIR, but you need a little building skills for those. Also, if you manage in FC3 without headtracking, you will manage here with SnapViews aswell. :)
Bob Radu That actually sounds true, but how do you manage to click buttons (which are all over the cockpit) and fly the aircraft at the same time, in combat?
ApoTroll In FC3 the 8-way hat switch that I have is fairly enough, but I thing that for better "simulation" I need a TrackIR.I found some articles about the home-made TrackIR, but it sounds.. not efficient and I don't know if it's going to give me the same experience that TrackIR will give me, and I'll never have the chance to drive a real fighter jet, so getting the best is worth it!but since I can't find a TrackIR in my country, I'll give the home-made a go. Thanks!
Labels? Really?
Yes the training missions have labels showing.
Фантом покажите....
DCS is free? I thought it's payware lol
.:AirbusFan:. Yes sir. DCS World is free and comes with the SU-25T. Head to the link in the video description and get flying.
It comes with a SU-25T (without complex systems) and with a TF-51D (hight complex P-51D Trainer version). All other aircraft you can buy for very little money, there are offers every month! I'd recommend the A-10C!
SuperMarioMontiLP Thank you! I'll give it a try!
.:AirbusFan:.
A10C w/ HOTAS and trackir4 or 5 is an amazing experience.
Get at least a Saitek X52 Pro and a TrackIR 4 (on sale at the TrackIR website) :D