Exposing ICT and his concepts once and for all. This took 3 months.
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- "Inner Circle Trader" (ICT) is the most popular guru in trading with the most extensive and detailed history of failed trading accounts and absolutely insane claims. Don't believe me? Almost everything in the video comes directly from ICT himself.
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0:00 I predicted ICT’s response (not kidding, he did this after)
0:22 Photoshopped statements (actual fraud)
0:57 (admitting) making more money from teaching than trading
1:30 ICT’s actual trading performance
2:11 “Precision” and “calling price to the tick”
2:45 Hiding real trading performance and more hypocrisy
3:37 How to fool people into thinking you can trade
4:03 Robbin’s Cup failures , “I’m a fraud if I do not win”
4:45 Sim account main
5:14 “I can show you my two Lamborghinis”
5:40 iT’s AlL fOr FrEe!!!! Millions from mentorship and TH-cam ad revenue
6:27 ICT was poor until AFTER his paid mentorship
7:10 ICT’s book-release meltdown
7:52 Charity fraud!
8:02 PROOF he teaches through invalid “backtesting” (exposes everything he does)
11:37 Literally admitting to teaching you to do flawed backtesting
12:25 Why you’re great at backtesting but failing at trading
13:55 Attention…
14:34 ADMITTING to being banned for sockpuppeting on babypips (online forum)
14:56 Sockpuppeting, lies, hypocrisy, excuses, TH-cam comments, fraud
16:18 Intro to ICT concepts and his algorithm “Enigma”
17:05 ICT’s recruitment tactic
17:33 Claiming to have the holy grail of trading
17:49 Delusions of grandeur, admittance to bipolar disorder, don’t misinterpret this
19:08 ICT HEARS GOD, GOD SPEAKS THROUGH HIM, CRIES
20:35 ICT blowing 2 accounts during the 2018 mentorships
20:47 Unreal (but real) - reading ICT’s “Tobias and Parson” story
22:57 Admitting to manipulating people
23:27 Proof that he is a cult leader and is aware of it
28:47 Proof that ICT concepts don’t work
34:31 “Profitable” ICT traders
35:43 “I can show you examples of ICT concepts working”
36:00 “ICT made me better at trading”
36:23 Your copium/excuses for facts that make you upset
36:47 Most logical ICT cult member
39:21 Most coherent ICT moments (barely edited, not kidding)
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ICT actually livestreamed real trades 5 months after this video!! Unfortunately for him, he traded like he usually does... th-cam.com/video/qbA54WkBBs4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=MXL74duSl9db86mY
This video isn’t up to interpretation; it’s all facts with sources to all evidence. He’s a fraud by definition of the word, and 30:26 for those saying the concepts work. 8:02 proving ICT uses atrociously flawed backtesting to "prove" that something works.
This video proves that all of these concepts don’t work *on their own*, and the second half shows you how to learn the discretion that makes anything “work”: th-cam.com/video/994Rv9UXi9Q/w-d-xo.htmlsi=BE-2mT2MK2BvISVd
That video is as helpful as I can possibly be.
I sell nothing and am 100% transparent, livestreaming every trading session on my second channel.
No, I didn’t get paid by someone to make this video… and it would be illegal for me to lie about that. Keep on believing conspiracy theories to avoid dealing with reality if you want to though. I’ll be over here in the section of people who don’t get upset at facts.
Poopoo face lol nice
@@slamurai8080non of them are consistent though. They get lucky for a month get funded then blow the account.
I'm a long time viewer of your channel and I love your psychology videos. However I am an "ICT" or "SMC" trader and they do work.
I do agree with most of your points in this video but I do want to say most of ICT concepts do work. But he has so many that it's like shooting fish in a barrel, you'll eventually hit one. Some concepts are better than others.
The reason why I think ICT concepts work is because ICT concepts are just renamed "retail" concepts.
Orderblocks=redefined supply and demand
Breaker blocks= breakout and retest
Fvg= rebalancing of the market (similar how opening gaps close first taught to me by Tom Dante)
Turtle soups= stop runs ( SFP pattern from Tom Dante)
ICT 2022 model/ATM model/almost all his models= simplified wykoff.
But most of his concepts aren't as high probability than others ( as you've demonstrated)
ICT is a scammer in the way he's telling everyone he created all of this. However putting a detailed course ( no matter how long his rambles it are) on TH-cam for free is something that helped a lot of people who can't afford a course and it's the same as any other content creator on TH-cam making money for a living (even though he's a dick about it)
However I recommend some of his students courses who has weeded out the low probability concepts and just teach the high probability concepts.
(Commented on an alt yt account to avoid the toxic ICT cult)
@@slamurai8080 Yes they are liars and ICT encouraged them to start their own mentorships and selling services incentivizing them to lie to make money selling signals and education.
And as far as your statement of back testing you didn't pay attention to the video section he discussed why backtests mean nothing.
The question back to you is have you figured out why it doesn't work on the right side of the chart but only on the left? When you figure that out perhaps then you'll understand.
But you'll likely be even more broke than you already are by that point.
I hope you wake up sooner rather than later for your own good.
The concepts may work, but they are not ICT concepts. @@psychotichobo5902
The question at this point is "Who the fuck in this industry is actually legit?"
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So here's what I got from this video:
1. ICT's Concepts are basic concepts just rebranded so technically they still work
2. Only concepts won't get you profitable
3. Learning his concepts isn't a bad thing as long as you don't worship him or believe that his concepts are superior to S&R or S&D
4. ICT overall is a liar
Overall, ICT's Order Blocks are just basic S&D Zones, correct me if I'm wrong.
Currently I am learning his concepts, but I see the correlation between S&R or S&D and his concepts. (for example the bottom of a trendline matches perfectly his bullish fvg)
I believe that people should learn what makes sense to them. Some people resonate better with S&R (i just couldn't) and some with SMC. We all basically learn the same thing. Price action.
very good :)
I see that SMC is just refine the PA to get a better RR, so it's the same concept
Pretty much on point 🤣
His so called order blocks (not really blocks of orders, nor sweeps, nor large orders) are just support and resistance zones, that the fvg (aka gap, but not always thin prints) just extends, therefore reducing the possibility of being wrong 😂. Liquidity is indeed liquidity and you can either use volume profile (less exact) or bookmap (to the tick) to spot where it is.
I, however, would be careful of his Enigma mumbojumbo stuff, as this is borderline mental (as in mentally unhealthy person).
Last word of advice: no need to learn tons of concepts, master one. Find a zone, find a trigger and master this.
@@SP_tradingremasteredi am learning from him, but mainly trade like tjr, i see the pattern when right at the session start price takes out liquidity ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DAY, then i wait for a mss then 2022 model, but it's not always looking so clear or even comes back to retrace...
@@rzvvvvvvvvnothing ever works 100%. I have no idea what the 2022 model is but as far as I know we are 2024 so.... 😂 Anyways, I have decided to do something about this guy and all the other fake traders. It's coming and it's gonna be spectacular.
I trade for 6 years and after watching this guy for 10 minutes. Not even understanding wtf he was talking about i already knew what was up. This is his whole business model. Trying to sound smart and making it so complex that people think he knows what he’s talking about
Traded 6 years & you're still trash at trading and failed at youtube
Did you lose everything in those 6 years?
is this about me or ICT lol
@@ImanTrading haha ict bro
What starergy do you use?@@stormtraders
Learning trading isn’t systems, it’s learning how to manage your risk and profit and repeating A SYSTEM CONSISTENTLY.
First you say trading isn’t systems then you say trading is repeating a system
> trading isn't systems
> it's .... repeating A SYSTEM CONSISTENTLY
wut.
17 retards liked this
@@justnoah5520 I can tell you're like 17 years old.
Probably meant learning trading isn't strategy
The only thing scarier than the cult leader, is their dedicated followers. The comment section will soon be evidence of this….watch.
PLOT TWIST: this is your marketing model
Luckily for me, beliefs don’t change that the video has nothing in it that can be refuted since all evidence is tied directly to ICT himself
I was told the same thing when I exposed people. Their goon squad would come out and say I was going to promote my own stuff… 7+ years later never have 😂😂😂
@@brucelong4437i just sub to your Channel bro🎉
I studied ICT's concepts for about 2 years and now I'm extremely profitable. @@ImanTrading
I passed 300k account and I make 10_15% each month using his concepts!!!!
Quick question please
So which Trading guru should we follow or should we look up too because when you come to learn how to trade as a beginner on TH-cam this are the people you see
I just recently started watching ICT videos and now with all you have Said it's making re think my decision because i don't want to spend 2- 4 years of my life learn something that won't be useful to me
And
Is it possible to make money from trading?
wyckoff
Dapo Williams or institute of trading
he’s not a bad teacher you have to find what model works for you. i trade turtle soup because it’s easy to find these setups one of the easiest model to trade.
@@moorrocs1162 turtle trader
U mean like support and Resistance???
Are u profitable in the long run
Don't trust anyone that doesn't trade live.
I wouldn't go as far to say that. Although there always comes a point where something or someone you trusted fails you. Part of the reason you don't rely on a single source of information (though certain sources can often be of higher quality.. I'll leave the nuance here)
but he does
He does
Do you know how hard is it to trade live and give commentary at the same time? I learned a few ICT strategy that makes me a profitable trader. With any strategy you need to back test it. I learned at least 1 strategy from different trader that fit my risk management and style.
@@newbassplayer4005 fair point And I'm not saying he's a liar I'm just saying I don't trust anybody that doesn't trade live from time to time. What strategy do you use?
Do you know why ICT won't sue you for defamation? Because if he does, in discovery you can request ALL of his brokerage statements, and publish them because then they will be public record. The "wheel" guru sued someone and was totally exposed as one of those gurus who make much more money from selling his courses than from trading. You don't have to worry about being sued. ICT may be a bit shady, but he isn't stupid.
Damn. Excellent point.
who is the wheel guy?
Where did you hear about wheel guru ?
Wherl guru?
I don't want to be sued. Just search for "Options wheel strategy". You'll find him.
Regardless of what system/school of thought you follow in trading, at the end of the day, trading is all about risk management and cutting losses quick while letting winners run and managing your emotions and your decisions and being consistent in following your trading plan
A good risk manager with a bad system will just lose money slower :)
@@ferrevanham6416 a bad system can be easily changed and besides most traders are like 50% to 60% win rate anyway
However if you struggle to manage risk and yourself and how you act, that will take a lot longer
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
YOUVE SAID IT ALL IN SHORT, GOD BLESS YOU
My degree is in Comp Sci but I worked as a data analyst for a while, the hardest part was explaining to C level people that they were fooling themselves seeing patterns in data that were not really meaningful. It is really hard to convince someone, once they've seen a pattern in their mind, that it's just a random quirk and not the key to, in this case, infinite web traffic and sales.
Traders dont teach. Teachers dont trade.
Those who can do…those who can’t teach, my grandfather told me that
@@scoobydoo12ism I think he meant "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach"
So true... I've never thought of it like this before.
Not true. I can confirm Tom Parks from Simply Forex is a real profitable trader. He posts all his trades and results real time on his Discord. I have observed for 6 mths , he is profitable. Just that I find his style really tiring. 😂
"W.D. Gann’s son, an analyst for a Boston bank once said his famous father could not support his family by trading but earned his living by writing and selling instructional courses. When W.D. Gann died in the 1950s, his estate, including his house, was valued at slightly over $100,000.” I guess not much changes over the years...
holy fuck even Gann man now I'm disappointed i actually thought he's legit
THEN WHERE AM I SUPPOSE TO LEARN TRADING 😪
Great video Iman! So where would you say is a good place to learn trading concepts? babypips?
One thing I'm realizing is the actual variety of different information people pull out of the same source. I know it's a thing but it still surprises i guess.
Trading is YOU Vs YOU. Like you said profitability comes from yourself.
I am a trader that uses his concepts, mainly from 2022 mentorship on youtube and I thought I found "the holy grail" because at that time I'm just 4 months into trading for real. Tried his concepts with live account and I blow it many times. But, I stick with it because it looks to me his "concept"(don't if it is his) is the easiest to look for precision in the chart on where to enter and exit trade. Anyway, many months now and still battling with consotency but better. The concept didn't improve my trading, it was myself.
Now, about Michael himself, all I know is form mentorship 2022 and his twitter account. I am grateful I found his concept, but man I could never listen to his twitter space. It's just wasn't for me because I felt this guy is a bit weird. I never knew he claimed he created the Algo. Also, his new follower will get brainwashed thinking that the market is "not random". The market is random and submiting to it will be better for trading psychology.
Anyway, that's my experience with ICT and his concepts. Your right about it's just the same as any other method out there.
Cheers!
I've met one or two people online who were just so similar. They make it sound by tone that they made everything and they are extremely knowledgeable and that it revolves around them. The things they said, or did, was it 1000000% lies? No. It's so odd honestly. I can really relate ICT now with someone I knew back in Discord in a fairly famous running guild.. everyone believed him and would never try to reason when he says whatever he says (based on the said subject, Technology/I.T based but yeah, regardless).
It took a bit then people started calling him out and the truth hardly ever revolves around like the lies do.
The market isn't random but ict concepts are shit. God knows how much money i lost due to his concepts. I found my way but not in any of his stuff
@@1234desimetrwhat do you use now
yeah, look into broker statements from 2022 model, you will find that Mike averaged 1.01 profit factor, and 52% profitability. Couple that with two recent live streams and
@@1234desimetr what do u use now?
Thanks for the video!
Have you seen the playlist or ICT expose its result with TD america trade? what do you think?
Hi Iman, found your video entertaining :) as an auction market theory trader i use tools such footprint charts, market profiles and i trade on the dom. They are the tools used to execute trades at the majority of trading desks be it an hedge fund, prop house or whatever institutional entity to optimize execution efficiency. And its important to separate portfolio management departments from execution desks. I never understood all this drama of the ICT cult abouth the magic algorithm, the smart money, while the tools used are right in front of their noses. They got "liquidity" in their mouths and charts and ignore the depth of market (which shows liquidity and the relation between passive and agressive participants, and actually shows hft machines acivity which is perfectly recognizable). Cheers!
100% AGREE. I've worked on liquidity desk/market makers at brokerages, Asian Equity and US Equity, Futures & Options, and some OTC stuff too. Never in my life have I ever come across anyone legit who sits there looking for fair-value-gaps, its complete bogus, if thats the case why don't they work all the time,its just a flawed logic. Its like saying go long at the US open everyday and you'll be profitable, because thats as 50/50 as trading an FVG. The only tools worth looking at are footprint/DoM/T&S/Profiles. Everything else is just a dud.
@@siyabongadlamini617 I'm sorry but you've laid out a clear thought process that'll set you up perfectly to fall victim to manipulation. AKA, you're a gullible fuck that can be easily manipulated because you lack critical thinking skills and your brain is easily susceptible to cognitive biases.
Great video except for the "why price moved" part and not knowing. It literally doesn't matter why price moved, what matters is that you accept it quickly and only look at it in terms of being a decent setup with a high probability - or not.
I’ve been affiliated with online trading communities for years and there seems to be a few different camps. You have gurus and their followers, successful traders and genuine people who are up and coming.
The really mind blowing thing is that the gurus have managed to convince their followers that their own (the guru’s) trading performance and profitability doesn’t matter. To me, that is the craziest thing and it’s amazing that their followers will openly admit to not seeing any track record while defending them vehemently. I’ve seen this pattern with countless gurus over the years.
Bc ppl are pathetic and weak minded. Sad
I like this video, but you didn't include the part of his strategy where he ONLY trades at specific time frames. Isnt his strat quite consistent at the times he discusses?
Saw someone recommend this guy for trading, thank you for making this video so it popped up in the search feed and I could have someone give me actual advice about trading, and lead me away from probably setting myself back months or years.
Bro never have I learned so much about social science, psychology related concepts in one video❤️😁. Love your case study haha.
@@ButlerM5 dude....seriously? the proof is right there in front of you. Trade his way if you will but the guy is a pathological liar.....clearly
The most important part of your video is where you explain the word Discretion.
Identifying when the strategy works and went it doesn't is what make us a good trader + a solid risk management.
This applies for every strategy, can be as simple as a Macd crossover or as complicated as fiding liquidity shift in ms then a FVG, etc. Discretion will filter bad trades and risk management will make your acc growth.
"Discretion will filter bad trades" so you're basically saying YOU can predict the market?
@@easy94883 no, just expierence
Can you describe more on "liquidty shift in market structure"?
@@Seramics look at a higher time frame 15min or 30min, 1hour, you will notice that many times when the high or low is taken it will retraces or reverse.
The word "many" is key because it is just probabilities sometimes it will reverse sometime it will not, keep your risk calculated and you will do fine.
@@cuindro🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 he's spot on no strategy works 100% but learning fair value gaps displacement imbalances on the higher time frames has helped me learn where premiums and discounts are when I'm trading.
you clearly put a lot of hard working into this video....want to thank you for that and wish you luck on your trading journey!
The fallacies you included are absolutely spot on. I wish more people knew about them.
I remember when starting out in trading, that phase where you're researching the whole internet, and of course stumbled into ICT, since _usually_ the biggest channels are the worst (they live off YT, and they're specialized to reach out the most people possible, that's their product, not their trading) but they're the first ones you learn about. Fortunately, I only wasted a couple days. I remember a video of him saying, literally, "I love wasting other people's time". My jaw dropped. That plus the long videos where he kept whispering stupidly, like he was keeping some sort of secret that would make you millions while basically never getting anywhere were enough to quickly dismiss him as a fraud.
I commend you for the effort to expose him, and hopefully open many of his follower's eyes so they can move on to better, more honest, non manipulating or scammy mentors.
hi bro, I just started trading and I wanted to study with ICT videos, but I see that it's not worth it. Do you recommend any trainers/youtubers to learn from?
@@pterodactylus7004 hey, you'll have to research yourself and find the style that suits you best, then build up from there. Just like Iman says tbh. I like Penguin trades which is sort of a variant on the PATS system, PA based, but it's not a beginner friendly, noob-enticing with edited videos and engagement tactics channel. You'll have to dedicate months to start getting used to the system but it's one valid way to look at the markets. For sure there are others, just the one I have experience with. Don't expect the learning to be quick.
@@pterodactylus7004 i suggest you to learn from the charts without any mentor and without any indicator just price
@@tq5589 This comment is the only one that actually matters, everybody wants the "shortcut" or the "guide" but the only successful people I've ever met have spent thousands and thousands of hours, on live candles, creating their own strategies
@@pterodactylus7004 try @ZMCAPITALS
you're pointing out a lot of things I noticed. The one benefit from ICT was he taught me to really analyze candles and look for consistencies. The issue was very little of what he taught ended up being consistent.
Yeah, it is a pity because some of the ideas are valid, FVGs are actually a good way to measure momentum in price action (weirdly enough using actually all of them in a moving window).
@@giovannisantostasi9615 fvg are great for entries but don't really help with bias much. Sort of help with bias on the highest time frames.
It’s easier to blame someone else before yourself 🤷🏽♂️ It’s you my friend. Study more.
how is this getting so many likes... i struggled at trading for years using retail garbage and after finding ict have finally found consistency. if that makes him a fraud then their's some shitty ass people out there 💀
Study bitch n stop talking crap about things u don't know
Found your channel randomly. Saw this full video and i agree with most parts.
One of my friend did 2022 ICT mentorship and totally obsessed with it. I want to send him this video but wouldn't, he just wouldn't believe it lol. I wish him luck with his own struggle
Great video :)
His concepts work but him as a person he’s an ass…
You're not going to be doing him any favors sending him this video. If he's learning ICT and trying to stick to one strategy, he will eventually be profitable. It took me 7 months learning ICT non stop to be break even/slightly profitable, and now at this point I've been nicely profitable for almost just as long (around 6 months). I already understand that there are many other ways of trading that is profitable, the idea is to stick to one and gain market experience over months and months while journaling. Besides myself I know at least two other ICT traders that are also profitable, this is not including the dozens of students who have done interviews noting that their success was because of ICT. Leave your friend alone and let him devote himself to this, he won't regret it, and I wonder if you're as dedicated as he is....
@@zackarysun297 i did not sent him this video cuz it's his journey. If he can get profitable with ICT,good for him. About me, I have built my own strategy backtested for 4 years. And it took me 1.5 years only to build this system. You ICT students should build some kind of track record rather than claiming to be *Market killer* lmao
He will be better than you and this iman trading shit hole....
You the hater in the group.
If ITC tricks & strategies are worse than a coin flip, doesn't that technically mean you're more likely to be profitable by doing the exact opposite of what the strategy says you're supposed to do?
Good point
As someone with a psychology degree, ICT's mental pathology led me to think he fit more with borderline personality disorder than bipolar disorder over time, when I was listening to his twitter spaces and general youtube rants. The raw emotionality and the slick manipulating led me towards that particular disorder but I can see why Iman was drawn to bipolar, definitely some sort of mood disorder. There are honest and good hearted people with bipolar and personality disorder but ICT seems very obvious self aware of what he's doing.
Compared to you and Isaac, I'm untrained but I like to watch "traders" perform live and was interested to watch ICT livestream. There was a multitude of excuses why he wouldn't enter trades in the market each time and I was shocked as ICT simply analysed moves which had taken place an hour previous, i.e. LHS of the chart, and almost completely ignored the 'hard right edge'. So, I agree with you; ICT is very self aware of what he's doing. I believe Isaac brought up bipolar because ICT used it when talking about himself.
The reason I didn't bring up borderline or antisocial personality disorder (even though I wanted to) was because it would only be a guess. He admits to having BPD (which I included in the video in that audio clip), so that was the framework I used to try and rationalize his delusions and lies. An absurd amount of time went into making sure that anything in the video could be tied directly to a tweet or quote, because I had to be sure that not a single thing could be refuted in the video. If I would've made even a single tiny mistake, it would've been the main focus and ICT would've used it as a way to dismiss every other point (by only focusing on that and nothing else). Narcissistic personality disorder is a good fit too. I can't remember if I directly mentioned that or not, but yeah. I had to be careful, but I agree with you 100%. He seems to use bipolar disorder as a mask for just being a complete piece of.... work. A sociopath who is no longer in my life did the exact same thing. Their behavior is predictable, all using the same tools and methods of deception and manipulation. Scary stuff.
@@ImanTrading He admits to having BPD. But he also admits to never having been officially diagnosed. So he could have whatever. Or not have anything at all. Just be exceptional at playing the persona. Which everybody does anyway that builds a public following.
@@Peter_Potato bro he literally says price would go here before the opening...watch his lastest stream.
I hate that you sound like that too. Funny thing about relating everyone's criticism as bias is that you get blindsided to your own. If you want people to take you more seriously, I'd avoid the "lmao"'s and ad hominems. It makes you sound like a defensive child spouting "gibberish" not worth bothering with, that would take some sort of social IQ or self awareness to realize though. The type of wherewithal one would need to realize the guy with the secret sauce they worship is just getting his from others and branding it as his own. You wouldn't need a psychology degree to make that revelation but you might need to be more emotionally mature than their cult leader as well. @@xXAngelzX
concepts are concepts, trading a real account is another thing. It's so simple to learn trading: look at charts, find a way, backtest, risk management, be consistent. There are no hidden rules, you can create yours. When you use a real account you start to fail and learn. Alone, without socials, without mentor, day after day.
how many times can you use this strategy? or it's endless and you can use use it forever?
You did an amazing job! Thank you
This is a great video, regardless of how anyone feels about ICT. I learned a lot that I didn't know before, so thank you.
Thanks for your hard work to expose this. It needs to be live to be believed
I've watched your trading geek video and now this, it's impressive.
I've noticed that in such videos by these two or others, that in past data or even current, neglected where their system was failing/flawed. Their strategies did not work for me personally.
I'd say my success rate realistically sits around 40-60% when strategy is followed properly, but with other aspects factored in it makes me greatly profitable. 10-20% returns on month by month. I passed 10% return challenge in 2 weeks, with 0.8% on daily/max drawdown.
Just started following you man❤, i remembered when i started ict 2022 mentorship, i drew every fvg i could see on all time frames and kept failing and now as you said with months of failure discretion made me know when to use fvg and when to use ob, when to use breaker block and know when all 3 would fail. As you said ict is just a means as which we inteprete price action and if a person uses even wicks formation to trade adds discretion, experience, risk management and sound phycology even if he wins 40% of his trades but has a 1-5 r atleast each trade he is bound to be profitable, so its not about ict but about our evolvement as Ict traders. thanks man🎉🎉🎉
his concepts won’t work unless there has been a run on buystops and sellstops
and you have to be in discount or premium in a range and trading in sync with trend. can say it don’t work I’ve been trading it on demo for a whole month.
Later when to learn Smc and it now starts to make sense, just do u brother, once u see what works for u, master it and implement it then milk the market.
Finally, my daily bias was correct.
You get to a point where, for myself at least, that you realize that ICT and his concepts aren’t the be all end all. I use his concepts and have watched him for a small bit but I am also not the biggest fan of him. Although I use some of his concepts and have been for awhile, I’ve reached the point where I have studied the market and placed trades live for 1+ years. Failed time and again. But now being profitable for months. Having a live and funded that I’ve place trades on and can be confident and win consistently. You begin to pick up on things you see yourself. U begin to like certain things that maybe someone else doesn’t prefer. U start to craft your own style, using his concepts or not. And what u make suits you and your style of trading. If it makes u money consistently and it works, then it works for u. Who cares about someone else’s philosophies at that point. The game is really all having a good mental, have time on the charts and actual experience trading live with real money. Anyone can do it on replay but it’s different when it’s really on the line. But over time things will fall into place. J be patient and accept that you will lose but it will help you learn and grow.
hey what's ur strategy dude.
@@kai-xi2zhhis strategy is called lying
@@kai-xi2zhbeing a bot like all the other comments here that favor ICT dude lmao
Very true, I'm in a similar position to yrself, now trading 4+years. I'm just not sure why everyone is slating ICT when all his content is free, there's people even in this chat u need a paid subscription for to view content that isn't anywhere near as good...
This is well said, at the end of the day ICTs stuff isn't the end all be all. However, it's not all bullshit and there's a few tricks I picked up from him and plenty of other traders before creating my own style and that's what's important, creating your own style.
I've found your videos again, the last time I've been in your channel, you only got few subscribers and views, your channel improved really fast..
Keep doing your best, continue uploading quality facts & informative contents for aspiring traders.
Is there anything to learn from ict ? Who are good traders that also educate ?
So, you're saying I shouldn't trade the Silver Bullet Strategy anymore? What about consequent encroachment into an Inducement-Order-Block with a run on liquidity between the hours of 7:00-8:00 that has a FVG below the equilibrium of the impulse move on the 30 second timeframe? That doesn't work either? Darn!
Thanks for letting us know. @@robertarori6023
imagine pulling up to any hedge fund or market maker and explaining this to them, they’ll laugh you off the trading floor
@@steventacle5970 unless of course you were an incredible trader, won the Robbin's Cup year after year, set the Robbin's Cup record, then every Hedge Fund would be at your feet. But that aint likely to happen.
Damn dood I hate to see it but I felt something was a bit odd with ict and how he just works. I use to follow the videos and twitter. It was always annoying with all the rants, trying to prove ppl wrong and drag on things instead of just focusing on teaching. I learn smc concepts prior to coming to know ict and it does help it understand some of his concepts. But man sometimes it made me wish that I shouldve just stuck with the simple strategies. Trading can be complicated as it is and with ict coming out with new extensions on fvg, breaker, tgif weekly gap and all that nonsense tense to overcomplicate things and leave you in a identity crisis. I also like how you pointed out track records and always made me question: If he all these haters and you suppose to be this goat of a trader, Why isnt there any evidence to back you up? Why is it so hard show a trading audit? I know it aint nobodies business to know how much you make but cmon lets see the trading resume lol With all of that being said @imantrading Ive been following for while and enjoying your content and like how you bring facts into play and do your research. Stay true to what you do bro and may you and everyone here reach your trading goals
Thanks for this! Saved me a lot of hours viewing one of his mentorships....which I had been contemplating doing.
Are you releasing an ICT documentary in November? Which day?
No, that was Vinny Emini. Check out his channel, that documentary has been released
I would rather see someone post consistent live losing trades to prove a system is flawed than going on a continuous rant.
I love the exposing videos, but I would also like it if you could make videos about traders who are actually making good trading content. I believe Trade Pro would be one of the good ones
This is smart
thanks for bringing liquidity for the market
Is that to ICT and his followers?
@@ImanTrading yes baby 😘
@@KhvLeDyear to date pnl please ?
😂😂😂
do you know any thing better than ICT concepts? apart from retail SnR/Indicator strategies?
its all about legitimacy. if you think preying on new traders is justifiable because he has a bit working strategy doesn’t exempt him from the bs he spouts
Pure price action
Iman is slowly becoming the Coffeezilla of the trading world and I love it! Hahaha
Damn no lie. He has a whole industry to purge though.😂
Me too
appreciate the amount of effort you put into this (well...and all your other videos)
Can anyone tell me what this specific algorithm supposed to do? I haven't heard anyone explain this yet. "There's an algorithm" says nothing, all computers run on algorithms.
Bro, all i knew after losing for years.
1. Risk management is must
2. Risk reward must be 1.2 atleast it will be difficult for any who trade 1.1 trading method.
3. Physiology of a trader how he handle winning trades and losing trades. Is he gonna follow is setup again? Will he follow his rules again?
4. Follow rules.
Simple but hard to do it.
Noted... Will take this under advisement - but I still LOVE ICT!!
I noticed one thing with all "successful" ict students. They sell a course.
they all sell a course on another man's material lmfao
As a beginner who just learned about the basics and starting to learn ict this shattered my hopes. I'm just lost at this point
This video should help:
th-cam.com/video/994Rv9UXi9Q/w-d-xo.html
It just shows you how all strategies like smc are just different perspectives to learn price action through. There is no holy grail, contrary to what ICT says. But, it’ll show you how to pick an approach that caters to your strengths and weaknesses.
@ImanTrading Ty for actually replying to me man. I will trade on demo until I get profitable and go on to resl
Watch tactical traders
Go buy books from actual traders who have been there and done it on the big stage. 99.99% of traders on youtube are full of BS. If you think you'll learn anything about trading online then you're going to fail. Go read, study, backtest. I can't tell you how important it is to understand trader psychology. The first few years are rough. But if you really want it and are willing to put in the work, you'll get it.
@@undauntable6456 how long did it take u to be profitable
The effort you put to uncover these gurus, thank you
Great work! Honestly doing hero's work going through all of that crap to put this together. 😘
Thanks for your hard work and putting this information together
The creator of candlesticks himself Munehisa Homma over 270 years ago still had to study them for years to master them.
So much value in terms of how our brains work. Helped confirms certain suspicions i had in terms of my reaction to my backtested data.
what i dont understand is how some of the top prop firm traders claim they all use ict to pass and stay consistent :o
Cultish behaviour is usually present in anything that fascinates alot of people.
I find it funny, under every ICT type video there is an army of people saying they got funded. With the crazy amount of ICT traders being funded, you would think the first payout rate of firms would have increased, yet it is still around 3% only get their first payout
Hi. Would you do a video on matt trader or riley coleman?
So what's the best strategy?
risk management is the key
I remember ICT saying in one of his vids he had 70+ ways to enter a trade (I don't remember the exact number). I'm certain that at ANY point on ANY chart on ANY timeframe for ANY product at least one of those concepts will coincide with a move. Further proof that he, like everyone else, has no clue what the market is going to do. He just curve fits one of the many plagiarized ideas in hindsight to make it seem as though he "knew" it was going to happen in order to keep his faithful deluded followers believing. Those defending him with "but lots of people make money using ICT" are poorly informed, take 800k random traders using whatever crap he's shilling and inevitably you will have some that make money. No more than you would have in a group of 800k NOT using the ICT models, It's random.
Could some one give suggestions on where I learn from as I wanted to take trading seriously and have been profitable (on demo atm) and since hes a scam there isn't a point of watching his mentorship so what is something you guys recommend ?
The currency merchant
Gonna need a debunk on the entire "Goldbach" situation as well
Good video. Just a small correction: At 12:41 your 1st and 3rd point are equal, and you use the term "curve fitting" incorrectly. Fitting a model to data (curve fitting) is always done, at least to a degree (even if it is just about fitting the parameters of a probability distribution). You are referring to overfitting in both 1 and 3. It is important that people don't learn that curve fitting is "bad" just because they confuse it with overfitting. Curve fitting is perfectly fine and cannot be avoided completely. Overfitting (and underfitting, for that matter) is not fine though, and measures should always be done to mitigate the risk of overfitting and underfitting. Just wanted to point that out.
@@A_th SMC doesnt work bro. Dont get your strategies from videos or gurus. Even if their names are Wyckoff or Elliott. Learn math, probability theory, statistics and scientific rigor instead. That way you'll learn actual valuable skills.
The parts of ICT that work are what he stole and renamed to seem original so he can sell. He stole from people like Steve Mauro or books no one will ever read from authors who are traders like Neilson, Velez, Schabacker, and Dalton
scientists r scientists traders r traders@@AnthonyBerlin
I definitely don't trust people that profess having such a strong faith, and then drop F bombs in the same breath. Nice work on this one sir! 🙌
@@fernandestime8797 you’re inferring that f*ck is the f word. Could be fack or fyck, right? Plus, I’m not outwardly religious, sooo.
stumbled upon your vids - really find it refreshing to see you pull back the curtain on so many of these YT traders - Thank you you've I have subscribed!
Great work I used to be groomed by all this stuff, but later I have to go back to my strategy and refined it also using good risk management and currently right now am seeing consistent result
When I first arrived to the party, ICT claimed he can't show live trades because it's illegal. So add that one to the list.
@@jamesredfield555 showing a live trade does not constitute financial advise so thats BS, tons of traders stream live trades every day and none of them have been in any legal trouble because of it. At most you would need a disclaimer saying the content is for educational/entertainment purposes and does not constitute financial advise
Showing trades isn't necessarily financial advise.@@jamesredfield555
I am a trader for Uganda; to be honest I dont know if ICT is legit or not. But truth is some of his concepts have helped improve my trading. Certainly not everything that comes out of his mouth is true, but honest truth is I have massively benefited from his stuff.
Can you tell what strategies I should learn from him and What not, it will save my time❤
wow such a good video thanks for putting so much work into this
What are you thoughts on TJR Trades?
That's a legendary masterpiece. The amount of work, research and dedication put into it is mind blowing. Much respect
Great video. Everything was on point. I use ICT concepts and knew he had a mental illness. It's the work I put in for years that makes my discretion better and I'm not apart of no cult. ICT is still a larp at the end of the day who just teaches concepts, I just found these concepts to resonate with me. Overall a great video from start to finish. Well done.
You’re very ungrateful
You should add chapters for easy navigating. Would make this more watchable.
Who do you recommend to learn?
i was asking the same thing
I think that's it. It really doesn't matter what "System" you use. If you recognize price action and are profitable it works.
Watch 2022,2023 mentorship
There is live trade
Fantastic job. Well done and well researched
dang, I wanted to try some ICT concepts and strategies too. Do you know if trade with pat is a fraud, I tried using his bot and it honestly sucks but Some of his other strategy videos seems to work decently
6:01 looking at the opened google docs you have there, I can tell you put alot of effort on these videos. Good Job Iman! I appreciate the work you put in your videos and I hope you get more engagement!
Good job exposing these course selling frauds!
This was a journey into the mind of a truly insane mind o_O
just one question: have you tried using the method he explained yourself?
30:26
this is an insane amount of investigation, thanks for your hard work fr
He’s been trading live last two months…. And his concepts have been working for me…. Lol
thats your fault@@robertarori6023
Im sure there are some concepts that work and some that don’t, the fact is that it’s never the system you use that makes you profitable, it’s the ability to use a proven system consistently, with crucial psychological skills and a lot of chart experience, risk management and diciplined mindset that makes profitable, the way you look af price action is just a small portion of acually being profitable. I think this video is great eventhough a lot of people don’t get it because they don’t know what trading really is
You r still living in delusion
I just liked the way it was structured and easy to follow, what other courses do you recommend?
Should i stop watching ICT?
I need more info on this cat meowing buy strategy please😹
This was such a well-presented video. Reminds me I need to re-read Thinking Fast and Slow
nice video, im blocked by him on twitter for asking for track record and stating all his income comes from ad rev and mentorships/courses, the way his fans respond to anything that could be seen as 'doubting' him is crazy, it is like a cult
Lol, finally some sanity!! I doubt it helps many people, but I’m glad this exists. Bravo 👏
as an ict student this video is really good and puts a lot of perspective into place at least when it comes to an actual strategy being that you make it work, there is no holy grail in trading at the end of it all you have to find a system and give it ample time wether that's smc or using support and resistance
Im really suprised to see this i found his videos and thought I struck gold, who would you guys recommend as a teacher for trading?
Bro i am in the same situation as you are, please notify me if you find a solution
I am so heartbroken from all these betrayal. The world ain't safe for anyone
@@SocialEngageleave all these shits and watch ict
Everyone has their flaws.
If you follow these videos you won’t be successful
Do not alllow the things you see on social media drceive you i have seen videos like this multiple times
Ict strategy works like magic, so I will say with other strategy get one, master it know the market condition for that day that will determine if you would or not for that day
The person who made this video will also be paid by youtube. They are very limited trader who wouldn't brag about achievement even goerge soros ones said he feel like god learn a strategy and build decipline around they are people succeeding with it