My Steinway Model C from 1886 was restored at the factory in Astoria and it was done with great care. The East Indian Rosewood case was fully refinished and like new. It was built with an 85 note keyboard and the original action and Ivory and Ebony keys are perfect. This piano is now on display at the Musical Instrument Museum in Phoenix, Arizona.
Steinway may have "nailed" their formula now but that's only been the case since the mid 1980s. I don't recall hearing any other piano makers with such massive failures as the devistating verdigris issue and failed Teflon solution they went through for decades and still haunt a majority of their pianos to this day.
When I was in university I remember playing on many broken old Steinways stashed away in dormitories, student lounges , hallways and of course practise rooms (of which the last were in good condition). One was even in a laundry room with washers and dryers. Several had keys no longer functional usually in extreme bass registers I seldom usef. Yet I recall even a broken down old Steinway was just as fulfilling to play (if not more) than a brand new instrument. The degree of control (response from a given touch input) made them feel secure, at least to a degree. And the quality of sound from keys that worked, was transparent enough ie not thick and opaque.
I've yet to sit on a restored steinway that makes me want to buy it. yamaha cx and above lines will def put a smile on your face. if you're a real musician. maybe one day i can be convinced but hasn't happened yet. and i cannot take the word of this video because they are pretty much advertising for their business.
True.....These guys work for stienway...They are trying to make yamaha look bad....You can tell, cause they barely mentioned anything good about yamaha but are busy mentioning good things about stienway. They use what yamaha doesn't focus on to make the stienway look better.
Agree with you, I’ve played on both varieties of grand pianos, and I prefer the Yamaha action and sound more often than the Steinway. A good Steinway is hard to beat though, but they are more inconsistent.
Maybe you havent been playing the right instruments, some of the best pianos ive ever played have been restored, larger steinway pianos. the colour they can produce is amazing and truly unique if you have a well cared for and properly restored example. You wont like the sound of every one of them, but to me, there is nothing comparable to the sound of a well loved and consistently maintained steinway. Thats why i have a 1942 CD model where my living room should normally be haha
Steinways are not built to the highest standards of quality. Yamahas are great. There are also Shigerus, Faziolis, Steingraebers. So, check the world out guys.
I watched a Steinway artist at a concert at a local college that had a Steinway and a Bösendorfer Imperial 290 on stage. He played everything on the 290. Steinways are great pianos but they’re not so flawless that they are the only viable choice in every professional situation. Yamahas are mentioned with Steinway because they are that good but in a different way.
If you're going to compare Steinway to Yamaha at least compare a Steinway to a Yamaha CF series piano. The Yamaha C/CX is comparable to a Boston line piano and you guys know that. Steinway doesn't call their lower lines Steinways but they design them and have others build them. Boston uses the same mass production techniques Yamaha does, the same V-pro plate and they're built in a Kawai factory. Essex is a near budget line and is produced by Pearl River. A CF-series Yamaha or an Shigeru Kawai has all of the hand crafting and quality that a Steinway has. Of course you can buy a discounted Steinway and I don't doubt you do a great job restoring them and they'll cost as much as a new Yamaha or Kawai or say Hoffman. But you can also get restored C Bechsteins or Bosendorfers or other quality European brand and get a very fine piano as well.
Boston pianos are total shit, I would rather get Yamaha. Btw, this video should get a sequel: is it better to get a pre owned Steinway or pre owned Yamaha.
@@Cypsky After thinking and comparing for months, I went for a S3X and I am very happy, the sound is indeed beautiful. Also with respect to the CX series the action is more precise and gives you a better sense of control. I also have to say that I was also enthusiastic about the Shigeru Kawai SK-2, but I really needed the silent/MIDI electronics and Kawai does not offer it on the SK line (why? it is a mystery to me).
I think I may have been at that show at the DCP with Rubenstein. I was about 9 or 10 which would have put the concert in 1973 or 1974. It was an amazing night! We had front row center seats as he played an all Chopin recital!
You guys look like you do excellent craftsmanship by restoring these pianos, and it's a plus that you have some former Steinway guys on staff. You guys may even do the best quality Steinway restorations around this side of the Atlantic, otherwise you guys wouldn't be around for so many generations and have such a large staff and facility. However, it would be nice to hear actual identically mic'd pianos in the same room with the same pianist, or have different pianists play both without knowing which was which. Asking which do you prefer: Steinway or Yamaha is a bit of "leading question." To keep it scientific and to get a truly unbiased perspective, you need to ask these same piano performance majors/graduates to test several pianos in the same hall blindfolded. And several pianos of the same size and price range. Such as Fazioli, Mason & Hamlin, Bosendorfer Imperial, Steinway D (new), Steinway D (restored), Shigeru Kawaii, Yamaha CFX, Petrof, Baldwin SD-6 etc. Tape over the marquee names and call the pianos by letters rather than by their names. Now out of this lot, ask them to pick their favorite one. Now THAT would be interesting! Syncron Stage Vienna has the only video here on youtube demonstrating these pianos side by side in the same room. I've never played a piano that I've known to have been restored by Lindeblad, I have played dozens of "restored" Steinways of various sizes, and the quality of the restoration has been very hit or miss. Some sounded unimpressive and if I were blindfolded I would not have even known it was a steinway. Yet, one of the best pianos I've ever played was a partially restored Steinway D that cosmetically looked like it was pretty beat. On the other hand, the quality and sound of yamahas are much more consistent, distinct and brighter. Although they do command a premium in the resale market, good used ones can be had for a fraction of a Steinway. Not only that, but a 7' Yamaha C7 that may be 15-30 years old can be obtained for half the price (or even less) of a smaller Steinway. Steinways can be great, but many people over-pay for the marquee and don't let their ears and fingers make the purchasing decision.
All true! Only blind testing of various piano brands will make a fair scientific comparison of sound quality. There is no question that piano snobbery plays a role in judging the "quality" of most pianos. Asian pianos just don't have the same reputation and cachet as Steinways and other highly respected European brands so the latter are usually judged as producing higher quality sound. I say that despite the fact that I own a restored Steinway model L. In addition, every piano even of the same model and manufacturer is unique and the single most important aspect of the evaluation of piano sound quality is the talent and skill of the pianist and not the name on the fallboard.
@@pborgia1 Agree. Honestly I go more for the individual piano than the name on the fallboard. There are some Steinways I hear that are incredible and others that are just OK. And that's true of C. Bechstein, Bosendorfer, Fazioli, Shigeru Kawai, Yamaha SX and CF, Mason and Hamlins and on and on. In fact, sometimes I like a middle-level Hoffman or Kawai RX/GX better than a high line instrument because it is just something special about it. Pianos are very individual.
@@benjaminsmith2287 So we agree. You could convince me that the high end pianos use better materials and better construction and therefore have more musical "potential" and longevity in the hands of a careful technician. But at least one important factor in the cost of the high end pianos comes from the reputation of the manufacturer. That is no where more obvious in rebuilt pianos. For the most part only high end pianos like Steinways and Masons are rebuilt because only they command a resale price that exceeds the cost of the rebuilding.
@@pborgia1 And Yamaha makes high-end pianos. So does Kawai. But even some of Yamaha's conservatory models are refurbished. Really, what's left of the high-end pianos are sometimes the soundboards but mostly the rims. Steinway has the name. Mason, not really, not with lay people. Yamaha has a different reputation but they're everywhere as well and people will buy refurbished Yamaha conservatory pianos as they're familiar with them (albeit at a lower cost).
Have always considered Yamaha inferior to Steinway, ...Until the Yamaha CFX concert grand appeared. Stunning, and while different sound from Steinway, just as thrilling.
The Yamaha C7 Grand Piano is the most recorded piano in music history for a reason. To do that while competing against the Steinway brand name shows you how much better the instrument must be to overcome that hurdle.
My 1945 Steinway M, with its original soundboard kept intact, has an incredibly warm tone that suits my style perfectly, light jazz and classical. For pop, folk, and blues, though, the Yamaha sound seems to fit better. The Yamaha S series is the closest I’ve found to that rich Steinway sound I love. Playing a greatl Steinway next to a Yamaha S of the same size really comes down to personal preference. Both are excellent, but I still find the S a bit too clean for my liking. I love the rich overtones that the Steinway brings.
I have played Steinway and Yamaha. I'll take a Yamaha any day. Steinway has a tinny overtone where Yamaha has a warm overtone. I feel that steinway is more of a for show... "ooooh he has a Steinway."
Funny, my experience has been the exact opposite. The reason you hear Yamahas on so many pop, contemporary, rock, country and awards shows is because their sound it a bit more tinny with the overtones allowing it to cut through a mix. It’s the reason you never see Steinways in this situation. Their tone is too warm with overtones thus allowing it to get lost in the mix.
You missed one MAJOR point in your comparison. Pianists also consider the touch and response of the keys, and I feel in that the Steinway is superior, along with tone and durability. Steinway also seems to hold their value over the long term better than the Yamaha.
Years ago I worked as an usher at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion at the Los Angeles Music Center(it is right next to the Disney Concert Hall, which used to be a parking lot where I parked my car), and I saw the late-Arthur Rubinstein(1887-1982)'s last Los Angeles performance before he retired; and people was snatching up the program from me, and many taking multiple copies, at that time I didn't know who he was. What amazed me was that a great many people brought their own copies of the music with them, and they followed as he played. So what brand of piano did he use
354 / 5 000 Rubinstein played Steinways with some exceptions. Following the score when Rubinstein plays is nothing but crassness and laughable snobbery. A master can have the score in hand when a musician or an orchestra plays his work, in rehearsal or rigorously even in concert. But a spectator doing this is rude and a fool. :)
@@paulpomme2502 Criticizing REAL musicians (and composers especially) who value the score above all else is nothing but uneducated gatekeeping. If you can't read music, that's your problem... Those who follow along as an artist brings the blueprint to life are having a much richer, deeper, and more respectful experience than you could ever understand. The NPD prison in which you have locked yourself... The blind adherence to social constructs over actual shared experience, that is what is killing classical music today. Obviously your NPD is triggered by score readers... I'd suggest you learn to read... That will correct the problem!
@@ivaluemyprivacy2494 Ridiculous. Your petty insults don't even make sense. And it's you who clearly can't read: the person is talking about Rubinstein on stage, not anybody.
It depends on the particular instrument and how it has been cared for. I have played new Yamahas that were as good as any piano on the planet. I have played refurbished and restored Yamahas that were almost as good. I have played new Steinways that were great and new Steinways that sucked. I have played restored Steinways that I loved and some I hated. It just depends on so many factors
99 percent of us would be happy with either piano and wouldn't notice the difference between the two, or wouldn't care. I've played on a Steinway upright and thought it was the greatest.
I have a Knabe 9' D, fully restored and the sound is magic. When compared to Steinway and the many I have heard, I admire the power and beauty of a Steinway. I have listened to the Yamaha's and they are for the most part too bright, too clinical perhaps - something just is not right. I don't get that warm and fuzzy sound that hugs you. In the concert hall, the Steinway is a pillar every time - well most of the time. Depends on the piano and how well it was set up. But my Knabe, when played quietly has a sound from heaven that goes right throuh you. Each to ther own. For me, I would not buy a Yamaha unless I could modify it a lot.
Starting about 2:00, the man telling us about vaccuuming molten iron to make a harp is just laughable!!! (Btw, real piano builders call them "plates", tech-ignorant pianists and salesmen call then harps.) And the bit about people sensing a metallic sound because of Yamaha's plate process is unfounded, ignorant, and absurd.
Please explain how Steinway can ignore or dispute the abundance of terrible, sometimes untuneable false beats in their pianos. Especially in the treble section.
I disagree. I have a Yamaha CF and honestly, it has been a great piano. Steinway is just another luxury brand selling pianos at prices that are super high.
Steinway is better for collection and family heirloom type. Yamaha just sounds better in performance. Considering you’re getting the high end model Yamaha
@@jimmythegent1445 the lower end Yamahas are like lower end pianos of other brands. From $2000 to $8000. The high end Yamahas I’m talking about at the ones that are like $30,000 up to the Yamaha CFX which is like $300,000
@@jimmythegent1445 I have a digital setup which totals about $5000 including computer, software, and piano. Getting a realistic hammer action digital piano and a high end piano VST is way better than getting an acoustic. I’d recommend a digital first then once you can afford a high end piano switch. A $5000 digital setup will always demolish a $5000 acoustic piano.
I drop by the M & H dealer in western North Carolina now and then. I bought my Kawai GL-40 there. I love to sit and play the M & Hs on display and then just drift off to dreamland. I am a horrible player having started lessons after retirement, then being sick for two years and having to stop lessons. But even I can make nice music with an M & H.
Yamaha cf is a good piano in the 80s yamaha S400B is a very high end piano now after so many years of research I am confident it will be comparable to German piano like kawai shiguru piano is a very good piano in term of touch responsive keys and sound❤❤
Hi there Letter for all of the Piano Companies out there. Why couldn't all of you Remake more than most Daddy Grand Pianos with Two Times Lower Tone Fishing Line Nylon Strings on most of the Particular Daddy Grand Pianos and this will all be including Two and a Half Times more and more Lower Tone Fishing Line Nylon Strings on most of those Particular Pianos such as for example the Eighty Eight Keys more than most of the Honky Tonk Pianos on Every Single one of those Daddy Grand Pianos instead of using all of the normal metal strings on most of the Daddy Grand Pianos so all of the musician's will enjoy more of the particular Similar sounds of all the Daddy Grand Pianos? We all meant Eighty-Eight Keys on Every Single one of those Daddy Grand Piano so it will be Better Progress for Every Single one of those musicians to Remake a Similar Theme and also Remake Different Tune for those particular Daddy Grand Piano and also including the Honky Tonk Pianos so that most of the other Piano Companies would always be having the Special Opportunities to be remaking Eighty-Eight Key Version of all the Honky Tonk Pianos on Every Single one of those Daddy Grand Pianos but with more than most of the Two and a Half Times more and more Lower Tones Fishing Line Nylon Strings on more than most of Daddy Grand Pianos please make sure you can Remake them to the perfect exact way of Eight-Eight Keys more than most of those Piano's so Thank You for Understanding that what I am Talking About, please.
Yeah sorry no, I’ve to find a Steinway new or used completely restored that captivated me. I’ve played small steinways all the way to the big d. And whilst matters they have yet to be truly fulfilling. I have a truly amazing Yamaha C7 that myself and many musicians have all said has played and sounded better. Steinways are very nice yes, but they just have something to be desired. And of you’re one that’s truly just that fussy, there’s better instruments yet. Fazioli, Bösendorfer. I mean there’s even Baldwin concerts grands that will send shivers down one’s spine in splendid thunderous glory. Just my thoughts.
The only Steinway that ever got my attention was the model O. There is just something I cannot define that gets my attention, and the two or three I have played in various shops "reached out to me". But, alas, I am not in that price range and never will be.
They restore pianos, so they want you to buy restored so they get work! No restoration of pianos, no work for them!! Personally I’d buy the Yamaha. And I’d bet only a couple out of a hundred pianist could tell the difference in a blind test!
It depends on the model of Steinway and what work is going to be done. If you can reach out to info@lindebladpiano.com or 888.587.4266, we can provide you with an estimate after we collect more information. Thanks!
Restored? That's blasphemy considering that you're stripping a vintage Steinway of its innards that actually made it so unique. You're refurbishing pianos and you're talking badly about Yamaha. Disgusting, both as a piano lover and someone looking at business practice.
It's ironic that when you make a video about sound, the quality of the narration sound is horrible, further exacerbated by horrible music overlay. Do it again, and do it right!
My Steinway Model C from 1886 was restored at the factory in Astoria and it was done with great care. The East Indian Rosewood case was fully refinished and like new. It was built with an 85 note keyboard and the original action and Ivory and Ebony keys are perfect. This piano is now on display at the Musical Instrument Museum in Phoenix, Arizona.
Steinway may have "nailed" their formula now but that's only been the case since the mid 1980s. I don't recall hearing any other piano makers with such massive failures as the devistating verdigris issue and failed Teflon solution they went through for decades and still haunt a majority of their pianos to this day.
When I was in university I remember playing on many broken old Steinways stashed away in dormitories, student lounges , hallways and of course practise rooms (of which the last were in good condition). One was even in a laundry room with washers and dryers. Several had keys no longer functional usually in extreme bass registers I seldom usef. Yet I recall even a broken down old Steinway was just as fulfilling to play (if not more) than a brand new instrument. The degree of control (response from a given touch input) made them feel secure, at least to a degree. And the quality of sound from keys that worked, was transparent enough ie not thick and opaque.
Subconscious bias
I've yet to sit on a restored steinway that makes me want to buy it. yamaha cx and above lines will def put a smile on your face. if you're a real musician. maybe one day i can be convinced but hasn't happened yet. and i cannot take the word of this video because they are pretty much advertising for their business.
True.....These guys work for stienway...They are trying to make yamaha look bad....You can tell, cause they barely mentioned anything good about yamaha but are busy mentioning good things about stienway. They use what yamaha doesn't focus on to make the stienway look better.
Agree with you, I’ve played on both varieties of grand pianos, and I prefer the Yamaha action and sound more often than the Steinway. A good Steinway is hard to beat though, but they are more inconsistent.
@@maestroadam Just wondering... ever take a Kawai for "a test drive"?
Maybe you havent been playing the right instruments, some of the best pianos ive ever played have been restored, larger steinway pianos. the colour they can produce is amazing and truly unique if you have a well cared for and properly restored example. You wont like the sound of every one of them, but to me, there is nothing comparable to the sound of a well loved and consistently maintained steinway. Thats why i have a 1942 CD model where my living room should normally be haha
Steinways are not built to the highest standards of quality. Yamahas are great. There are also Shigerus, Faziolis, Steingraebers. So, check the world out guys.
I purchased a used Yamaha CF6 and can tell you the sound is just incredible.
How big is your Mansion?
I watched a Steinway artist at a concert at a local college that had a Steinway and a Bösendorfer Imperial 290 on stage. He played everything on the 290.
Steinways are great pianos but they’re not so flawless that they are the only viable choice in every professional situation.
Yamahas are mentioned with Steinway because they are that good but in a different way.
Steinway has been good at their marketing skills like this video.
If you're going to compare Steinway to Yamaha at least compare a Steinway to a Yamaha CF series piano. The Yamaha C/CX is comparable to a Boston line piano and you guys know that. Steinway doesn't call their lower lines Steinways but they design them and have others build them. Boston uses the same mass production techniques Yamaha does, the same V-pro plate and they're built in a Kawai factory. Essex is a near budget line and is produced by Pearl River. A CF-series Yamaha or an Shigeru Kawai has all of the hand crafting and quality that a Steinway has.
Of course you can buy a discounted Steinway and I don't doubt you do a great job restoring them and they'll cost as much as a new Yamaha or Kawai or say Hoffman. But you can also get restored C Bechsteins or Bosendorfers or other quality European brand and get a very fine piano as well.
I agree completely.
No no no…. Boston is not comparable to CX line.
CX is so muvh better than boston gp series
Boston pianos are total shit, I would rather get Yamaha. Btw, this video should get a sequel: is it better to get a pre owned Steinway or pre owned Yamaha.
It’s also missing the SX line which beautiful pianos. I think this video is just urban legends about steinways re-hashed.
@@Cypsky After thinking and comparing for months, I went for a S3X and I am very happy, the sound is indeed beautiful. Also with respect to the CX series the action is more precise and gives you a better sense of control. I also have to say that I was also enthusiastic about the Shigeru Kawai SK-2, but I really needed the silent/MIDI electronics and Kawai does not offer it on the SK line (why? it is a mystery to me).
Steinway all the way
I think I may have been at that show at the DCP with Rubenstein. I was about 9 or 10 which would have put the concert in 1973 or 1974. It was an amazing night! We had front row center seats as he played an all Chopin recital!
You guys look like you do excellent craftsmanship by restoring these pianos, and it's a plus that you have some former Steinway guys on staff. You guys may even do the best quality Steinway restorations around this side of the Atlantic, otherwise you guys wouldn't be around for so many generations and have such a large staff and facility.
However, it would be nice to hear actual identically mic'd pianos in the same room with the same pianist, or have different pianists play both without knowing which was which. Asking which do you prefer: Steinway or Yamaha is a bit of "leading question." To keep it scientific and to get a truly unbiased perspective, you need to ask these same piano performance majors/graduates to test several pianos in the same hall blindfolded. And several pianos of the same size and price range. Such as Fazioli, Mason & Hamlin, Bosendorfer Imperial, Steinway D (new), Steinway D (restored), Shigeru Kawaii, Yamaha CFX, Petrof, Baldwin SD-6 etc. Tape over the marquee names and call the pianos by letters rather than by their names. Now out of this lot, ask them to pick their favorite one. Now THAT would be interesting! Syncron Stage Vienna has the only video here on youtube demonstrating these pianos side by side in the same room.
I've never played a piano that I've known to have been restored by Lindeblad, I have played dozens of "restored" Steinways of various sizes, and the quality of the restoration has been very hit or miss. Some sounded unimpressive and if I were blindfolded I would not have even known it was a steinway. Yet, one of the best pianos I've ever played was a partially restored Steinway D that cosmetically looked like it was pretty beat.
On the other hand, the quality and sound of yamahas are much more consistent, distinct and brighter. Although they do command a premium in the resale market, good used ones can be had for a fraction of a Steinway. Not only that, but a 7' Yamaha C7 that may be 15-30 years old can be obtained for half the price (or even less) of a smaller Steinway. Steinways can be great, but many people over-pay for the marquee and don't let their ears and fingers make the purchasing decision.
All true! Only blind testing of various piano brands will make a fair scientific comparison of sound quality. There is no question that piano snobbery plays a role in judging the "quality" of most pianos. Asian pianos just don't have the same reputation and cachet as Steinways and other highly respected European brands so the latter are usually judged as producing higher quality sound. I say that despite the fact that I own a restored Steinway model L. In addition, every piano even of the same model and manufacturer is unique and the single most important aspect of the evaluation of piano sound quality is the talent and skill of the pianist and not the name on the fallboard.
@@pborgia1 Agree. Honestly I go more for the individual piano than the name on the fallboard. There are some Steinways I hear that are incredible and others that are just OK. And that's true of C. Bechstein, Bosendorfer, Fazioli, Shigeru Kawai, Yamaha SX and CF, Mason and Hamlins and on and on. In fact, sometimes I like a middle-level Hoffman or Kawai RX/GX better than a high line instrument because it is just something special about it. Pianos are very individual.
@@benjaminsmith2287 So we agree. You could convince me that the high end pianos use better materials and better construction and therefore have more musical "potential" and longevity in the hands of a careful technician. But at least one important factor in the cost of the high end pianos comes from the reputation of the manufacturer. That is no where more obvious in rebuilt pianos. For the most part only high end pianos like Steinways and Masons are rebuilt because only they command a resale price that exceeds the cost of the rebuilding.
@@pborgia1 And Yamaha makes high-end pianos. So does Kawai. But even some of Yamaha's conservatory models are refurbished. Really, what's left of the high-end pianos are sometimes the soundboards but mostly the rims. Steinway has the name. Mason, not really, not with lay people. Yamaha has a different reputation but they're everywhere as well and people will buy refurbished Yamaha conservatory pianos as they're familiar with them (albeit at a lower cost).
Have always considered Yamaha inferior to Steinway, ...Until the Yamaha CFX concert grand appeared. Stunning, and while different sound from Steinway, just as thrilling.
The Yamaha C7 Grand Piano is the most recorded piano in music history for a reason. To do that while competing against the Steinway brand name shows you how much better the instrument must be to overcome that hurdle.
My 1945 Steinway M, with its original soundboard kept intact, has an incredibly warm tone that suits my style perfectly, light jazz and classical. For pop, folk, and blues, though, the Yamaha sound seems to fit better. The Yamaha S series is the closest I’ve found to that rich Steinway sound I love.
Playing a greatl Steinway next to a Yamaha S of the same size really comes down to personal preference. Both are excellent, but I still find the S a bit too clean for my liking. I love the rich overtones that the Steinway brings.
Im with you; my restored Steinway can make sounds that a 'perfect' modern piano cant make which is why i love it
I have played Steinway and Yamaha. I'll take a Yamaha any day. Steinway has a tinny overtone where Yamaha has a warm overtone. I feel that steinway is more of a for show... "ooooh he has a Steinway."
The newer Steinways have a tinny sound. The old ones from, say, fifty years ago and more, are very warm.
You confused the 2 brands 😂
Funny, my experience has been the exact opposite. The reason you hear Yamahas on so many pop, contemporary, rock, country and awards shows is because their sound it a bit more tinny with the overtones allowing it to cut through a mix. It’s the reason you never see Steinways in this situation. Their tone is too warm with overtones thus allowing it to get lost in the mix.
I love my Kawai 😁
You missed one MAJOR point in your comparison. Pianists also consider the touch and response of the keys, and I feel in that the Steinway is superior, along with tone and durability. Steinway also seems to hold their value over the long term better than the Yamaha.
Years ago I worked as an usher at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion at the Los Angeles Music Center(it is right next to the Disney Concert Hall, which used to be a parking lot where I parked my car), and I saw the late-Arthur Rubinstein(1887-1982)'s last Los Angeles performance before he retired; and people was snatching up the program from me, and many taking multiple copies, at that time I didn't know who he was. What amazed me was that a great many people brought their own copies of the music with them, and they followed as he played. So what brand of piano did he use
354 / 5 000
Rubinstein played Steinways with some exceptions.
Following the score when Rubinstein plays is nothing but crassness and laughable snobbery.
A master can have the score in hand when a musician or an orchestra plays his work, in rehearsal or rigorously even in concert. But a spectator doing this is rude and a fool. :)
@@paulpomme2502 Criticizing REAL musicians (and composers especially) who value the score above all else is nothing but uneducated gatekeeping. If you can't read music, that's your problem... Those who follow along as an artist brings the blueprint to life are having a much richer, deeper, and more respectful experience than you could ever understand. The NPD prison in which you have locked yourself... The blind adherence to social constructs over actual shared experience, that is what is killing classical music today. Obviously your NPD is triggered by score readers... I'd suggest you learn to read... That will correct the problem!
@@ivaluemyprivacy2494 Ridiculous. Your petty insults don't even make sense. And it's you who clearly can't read: the person is talking about Rubinstein on stage, not anybody.
It depends on the particular instrument and how it has been cared for. I have played new Yamahas that were as good as any piano on the planet. I have played refurbished and restored Yamahas that were almost as good. I have played new Steinways that were great and new Steinways that sucked. I have played restored Steinways that I loved and some I hated. It just depends on so many factors
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Only have a grand piano any brand is already so good to me I will cry lf happinnes, Sorry if there are grammar mistakes
99 percent of us would be happy with either piano and wouldn't notice the difference between the two, or wouldn't care. I've played on a Steinway upright and thought it was the greatest.
I have a Knabe 9' D, fully restored and the sound is magic. When compared to Steinway and the many I have heard, I admire the power and beauty of a Steinway. I have listened to the Yamaha's and they are for the most part too bright, too clinical perhaps - something just is not right. I don't get that warm and fuzzy sound that hugs you. In the concert hall, the Steinway is a pillar every time - well most of the time. Depends on the piano and how well it was set up. But my Knabe, when played quietly has a sound from heaven that goes right throuh you. Each to ther own. For me, I would not buy a Yamaha unless I could modify it a lot.
Starting about 2:00, the man telling us about vaccuuming molten iron to make a harp is just laughable!!! (Btw, real piano builders call them "plates", tech-ignorant pianists and salesmen call then harps.) And the bit about people sensing a metallic sound because of Yamaha's plate process is unfounded, ignorant, and absurd.
" And the bit about people sensing a metallic sound because of Yamaha's plate process is unfounded, ignorant, and absurd." AGREED!
The piano music is too loud at times, making hearing the narration harder than it needs to be.
Please explain how Steinway can ignore or dispute the abundance of terrible, sometimes untuneable false beats in their pianos. Especially in the treble section.
They sound like someone talking with a blocked nose
All the popular music rock n roll guys play Yamaha. Elton John, Paul McCartney, Jonathan Cain, Prince, Alesha Keys.
I disagree. I have a Yamaha CF and honestly, it has been a great piano. Steinway is just another luxury brand selling pianos at prices that are super high.
Steinway is better for collection and family heirloom type. Yamaha just sounds better in performance. Considering you’re getting the high end model Yamaha
Can you explain what you mean by high end model Yamaha? What would be the price range for a low end & high end Yamaha piano?
@@jimmythegent1445 the lower end Yamahas are like lower end pianos of other brands. From $2000 to $8000. The high end Yamahas I’m talking about at the ones that are like $30,000 up to the Yamaha CFX which is like $300,000
@@jimmythegent1445 I have a digital setup which totals about $5000 including computer, software, and piano. Getting a realistic hammer action digital piano and a high end piano VST is way better than getting an acoustic. I’d recommend a digital first then once you can afford a high end piano switch. A $5000 digital setup will always demolish a $5000 acoustic piano.
Yeah, you guys obviously don’t sell Yamaha pianos, so I think your infomercial is just a little biased.
I’d much prefer a good Mason and Hamlin. Especially if it was built in the last 15 years. Or, if I wanted a European piano, I’d choose a Bluthner.
I drop by the M & H dealer in western North Carolina now and then. I bought my Kawai GL-40 there. I love to sit and play the M & Hs on display and then just drift off to dreamland. I am a horrible player having started lessons after retirement, then being sick for two years and having to stop lessons. But even I can make nice music with an M & H.
Yamaha cf is a good piano in the 80s yamaha S400B is a very high end piano now after so many years of research I am confident it will be comparable to German piano like kawai shiguru piano is a very good piano in term of touch responsive keys and sound❤❤
Yamaha is better fot more yong players and Steinway for all around player .
For Myself , like the Yamaha more the other pianos .
Thanks
Hi there Letter for all of the Piano Companies out there. Why couldn't all of you Remake more than most Daddy Grand Pianos with Two Times Lower Tone Fishing Line Nylon Strings on most of the Particular Daddy Grand Pianos and this will all be including Two and a Half Times more and more Lower Tone Fishing Line Nylon Strings on most of those Particular Pianos such as for example the Eighty Eight Keys more than most of the Honky Tonk Pianos on Every Single one of those Daddy Grand Pianos instead of using all of the normal metal strings on most of the Daddy Grand Pianos so all of the musician's will enjoy more of the particular Similar sounds of all the Daddy Grand Pianos? We all meant Eighty-Eight Keys on Every Single one of those Daddy Grand Piano so it will be Better Progress for Every Single one of those musicians to Remake a Similar Theme and also Remake Different Tune for those particular Daddy Grand Piano and also including the Honky Tonk Pianos so that most of the other Piano Companies would always be having the Special Opportunities to be remaking Eighty-Eight Key Version of all the Honky Tonk Pianos on Every Single one of those Daddy Grand Pianos but with more than most of the Two and a Half Times more and more Lower Tones Fishing Line Nylon Strings on more than most of Daddy Grand Pianos please make sure you can Remake them to the perfect exact way of Eight-Eight Keys more than most of those Piano's so Thank You for Understanding that what I am Talking About, please.
Buy an Estonia instead
Yeah sorry no, I’ve to find a Steinway new or used completely restored that captivated me. I’ve played small steinways all the way to the big d. And whilst matters they have yet to be truly fulfilling. I have a truly amazing Yamaha C7 that myself and many musicians have all said has played and sounded better. Steinways are very nice yes, but they just have something to be desired. And of you’re one that’s truly just that fussy, there’s better instruments yet. Fazioli, Bösendorfer. I mean there’s even Baldwin concerts grands that will send shivers down one’s spine in splendid thunderous glory. Just my thoughts.
The only Steinway that ever got my attention was the model O. There is just something I cannot define that gets my attention, and the two or three I have played in various shops "reached out to me". But, alas, I am not in that price range and never will be.
Quite a lot of video to not even show them head to head.
These dudes probably work for stienway. And want us to buy it, well unlucky for them. Nice try but No thank you
They restore pianos, so they want you to buy restored so they get work! No restoration of pianos, no work for them!! Personally I’d buy the Yamaha. And I’d bet only a couple out of a hundred pianist could tell the difference in a blind test!
Yamahas feel, sound and age better at a superior price in all situations. Steinways feel stiff, tinny and are finicky to maintain.
Yamaha
I dont have money for both i just got second hand
What about an 1896 C.bechstein grand working not renewed or reconditioned Vs New KAWAI K-300 ?
How much to restore a steinway ? i am in CA
It depends on the model of Steinway and what work is going to be done. If you can reach out to info@lindebladpiano.com or 888.587.4266, we can provide you with an estimate after we collect more information. Thanks!
You're comparing apples to oranges...an analysis of new vs restored Steinway would have been useful information.
It's not true steinway has muted tone Yamaha is better u can hear the sound and it's not muffled
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"verse"???
Restored? That's blasphemy considering that you're stripping a vintage Steinway of its innards that actually made it so unique. You're refurbishing pianos and you're talking badly about Yamaha.
Disgusting, both as a piano lover and someone looking at business practice.
It's ironic that when you make a video about sound, the quality of the narration sound is horrible, further exacerbated by horrible music overlay. Do it again, and do it right!
quite a bunch of Baloney here
This review is biased🙂