thank you for the information. I have a Jacuzzi 512 gallon. The problem is that the water that’s coming from outside. It’s like salty and my filter gets clogged quick. what can i do
Hey just saw your site - ugh I’m a little concerned - we just found (but not paid for yet) a salt system hot tub - flash by hot spring) now I’m really concerned - we are using it in our new air bnb - so what do you recommend ???? Thanks so much for your time
Thank you for being honest and straightforward! I'm considering a Caldera hot tub, would that be a wise decision? Any input would be very much appreciated! You work on them, so you know what's up! One thing I like about the Caldera is the lack of spray foam. I couldn't imagine having to diagnose a leak with all that mess in there!
Thanks for the great info, I Just bought a tub with a salt system , the price of the titanium cartridges that need to be replaced every four months at almost 150 a pop. Considering that and now learning about its corrosiveness, not sure if it’s worth it
& so what are you going to do now? I am researching a system called"Clear Comfort"which is plumbed into the spa. A combination of hydrogen peroxide & UVC disinfection.Clear Comfort is currently being used in a few University swimming pools to date with successful scientifically backed test results & there is a hot tub application available for $1,500 up front $300 annually for replacement cartridge only other chemical needed & very seldom at that is pH-ing nothing else is required. I'm highly thinking of this latest option.
Hi! We are wrestling with a salt system on a hot tub we now own, but didn't choose ourselves. I'm trying to figure out if we can disable the stupid system and go back to the bromine we used on our old hot tub which died of old age. Help!! 😂
You absolutely can! Simply start with fresh water, don't add the salt solution, and start using your bromine, just like before. :) You likely will not need to remove the salt system from your hot tub, without salt it won't be able to create chlorine.
Hey there, I'm sorry to hear that, hot tub rash sucks. Do you know what kind of hot tub rash you're getting? #1 Sensitive skin paired with too much chlorine, or bromine. #2 Pseudomonas folliculitis (a bacteria infection) likely from having too little chlorine or bromine If you just have sensitive skin you'll likely have itchiness, chapped or dry skin, and redness If you are getting Pseudomonas folliculitis you'll likely have itchiness, red bumps, and swelling When it comes to salt systems, it's important to remember it's still chlorine, so may not help, but I do find most people use WAY too much chemical in their hot tub. So having a salt system regulate their hot tub chemical level may help them. I also have sensitive skin, yet I never shower after using my hot tub, and don't dry out because I use the proper amount of sanitizer. Try to keep your sanitizer level on the low end of your “okay level” on your strip, especially if it's a minimum amount of people using the spa.
If you're referring to the brand Softub, I would say this is especially true. I sold Softubs for some time, and I found that the liners are extremely sensitive to chemicals. They tend to dry out and eventually crack if your sanitizer gets too high. Where I am, a Softub re-lining costs about $2000 and because of the lack of businesses that offer the service, there is a 6-month wait period. Stick with bromine, and be careful about using too much. Leave the lid off for 20 minutes after adding any shock or bromine granules to let it gas off. Hope this helps!
If what you say is true, which I don’t agree I have a saltwater pool for 15 years and never had any corrosion problems. What’s your answer to that, sir?
Pools and hot tubs are not the same thing. While saltwater systems may have worked for your swimming pool, they may not be a viable option for your hot tub. With a hot tub saltwater system, you risk under and over-chlorinating your water, damaging the hot tub components and shell, and a much higher maintenance cost.
I do not recommend hydrogen peroxide for use in hot tubs for a couple of reasons, Unlike the 3% drugstore variety, commercial-grade peroxide strong enough to be effective in pools or hot tubs ranges from 25% to 35% concentration. It can be dangerous to store, transport, and handle. It does an ok job of killing bacteria at 30-40 PPM, but you've got to watch it very closely. At very high levels, it can burn lungs and eyes. It can also cost more to use than other systems. Often when people have had a bad reaction to chlorine or bromine, it's often that there was way too much of one of them in the water, or that there was bacteria in the water. I've even seen people have reactions to descaling agents, so I would try to eliminate each chemical individually. And always wait 24 hours after adding any chemical before using the hot tub to give it time to dissipate. Hope this helps!
If you want to do your own research there is a company that has come out with a sanitization unit which uses hydrogen peroxide/UVC disinfection. Clear Comfort system is being used in a few college campus swimming pools/therapy recovery(hot tubs) also has been scientifically tested backed for it's complete effectiveness(Google it) Clear Comfort has a hot tub unit available, the problem I have with Clear Comfort is the upfront & annual cost $1,500 then $300.00 annually for a replacement cartridge but all other chemicals are discarded no longer needed other than having to ph your water every so often but that's it.
I am totally backing up your statements here. I want buyers to beware as well. My dear friend who has been selling hot tub spas for years told me to absolutely not buy into the salt water systems. They are corrosive as you say. She stated tubs are being ruined. She is in Tyler, Texas. I live in Tennessee and the closest dealer here who's salesman I spent a day with told me "The Hot Springs Spas are built with non corrosive parts" I relayed this to my friend in Texas and she said what you said. "That is not true" & recommended Bromine as a sanitizer. I can tell you the only thing more corrosive than salt is a salesman that lies to you perhaps working for a company that is more concerned with making money on repairs and sales than the longevity of rthe customers investment. If you are new like me. Do your homework and do not listen to what a salesman says. If anything look and act dumb when you walk in the door and put your salesman to the test. See if he is hones before you even consider buying from that company.. Thanks Hot Tub Man.
Really appreciate the comment!! I'm glad that you listened to your friend! Unfortunately, most salesmen are just repeating what they have been trained to say, and I doubt most of them know that they are teaching incorrect information. I learned more in the first 6 months of repairing hot tubs, than I did the first 6 years of selling them. Cheers
I ended up buying a Caribbean 3 hot tub from Four Winds. I know it’s not built quite like a comparable Jacuzzi brand but it was half the price. Saved close to 10k.
I've learned more since making this video! Here's what I found: -I'm from Canada, I didn't realize we were the only country to ban Bromine generators due to them being carcinogenic. -I also, found out that they did not ban them because they, themselves, were carcinogenic, but if the client put in the wrong mix of chemicals into a salt-bromine hot tub, that then it could become carcinogenic. Because bromine-salt generators are not a part of my daily work life, I can't give an opinion on whether I think they're a good idea. However, because they still use salt, I can't imagine, they would be less corrosive. Cheers!
It's not the type of chemical, it's the amount of it. Chlorine generating systems add chlorine regardless of any other variables, and saltwater spa users, in virtually every case, end up over chlorinating their spa regularly, because what they don't realize is, if you suddenly don't use your hot tub for a week, well guess what, your chlorine generator is still going to be adding chlorine every single day, and those levels will get really high. The water has a very high ORP all the time, and ends up corroding metal components, usually starting with the heater and the jets. Seen it hundreds of times.
"Salt Water" in hot tubs existed before Electrolysis devices and never had issues until "salt water devices" became mainstream for hot tubs in 2006. Before that it was called an A-B system, consisting of Part A (Sodium Bromide) and Part B (MPS Shock). You put Sodium Bromide in the water like you would now, but instead of using an overpriced electrolysis device you simply added oxidizer per use and once a week to create the sanitizer you need. But now, you can't use MPS with electrolysis devices without creating carcinogenic gas. Totally ruined a perfectly good salt system, just so manufactures could make an extra couple hundred a sale. Want "salt water"? go back to the way we used to do it before. No electrolysis device, no more electrolytic corrosion.
If you're only using epsom salt in your hot tub, proceed with caution. Epsom salts, being mildly acidic, can disrupt the pH balance and alkalinity of the water. This misalignment can trigger various problems, potentially compromising the cleanliness and longevity of your hot tub. There is safe epsom salts for hot tubs, mostly for scent, that you use in very small douses. Unfortunately epsom salts have a knack for causing corrosion in your hot tub, affecting seals, gaskets, metal, and plastic components. The spa pump and spa heater are especially vulnerable, not to mention, they're just not strong enough to kill the bacteria that grows off of all the sweat your body gives off while your soaking. Please reach out if you have any questions
Omg you seriously need an education on salt water systems. I don’t say that as a bitter salesman but instead someone who’s been in the industry for 30 years. Just goes to show people, don’t believe everything you see on the www!! 😂
thank you for the information. I have a Jacuzzi 512 gallon. The problem is that the water that’s coming from outside. It’s like salty and my filter gets clogged quick. what can i do
Hey just saw your site - ugh I’m a little concerned - we just found (but not paid for yet) a salt system hot tub - flash by hot spring) now I’m really concerned - we are using it in our new air bnb - so what do you recommend ???? Thanks so much for your time
Thank you for being honest and straightforward! I'm considering a Caldera hot tub, would that be a wise decision? Any input would be very much appreciated! You work on them, so you know what's up! One thing I like about the Caldera is the lack of spray foam. I couldn't imagine having to diagnose a leak with all that mess in there!
Thanks for the great info, I Just bought a tub with a salt system , the price of the titanium cartridges that need to be replaced every four months at almost 150 a pop. Considering that and now learning about its corrosiveness, not sure if it’s worth it
& so what are you going to do now? I am researching a system called"Clear Comfort"which is plumbed into the spa. A combination of hydrogen peroxide & UVC disinfection.Clear Comfort is currently being used in a few University swimming pools to date with successful scientifically backed test results & there is a hot tub application available for $1,500 up front $300 annually for replacement cartridge only other chemical needed & very seldom at that is pH-ing nothing else is required.
I'm highly thinking of this latest option.
Do you have an opinion on the"Clear Comfort"system-hydrogen peroxide/UV-C sanitizing unit.
Royal Tubs says not to use regular salt and instead to use magnesium salt.
Hi! We are wrestling with a salt system on a hot tub we now own, but didn't choose ourselves. I'm trying to figure out if we can disable the stupid system and go back to the bromine we used on our old hot tub which died of old age. Help!! 😂
You absolutely can! Simply start with fresh water, don't add the salt solution, and start using your bromine, just like before. :) You likely will not need to remove the salt system from your hot tub, without salt it won't be able to create chlorine.
Man i get the hot tub rash. Would salt be better for my condition?
Hey there, I'm sorry to hear that, hot tub rash sucks.
Do you know what kind of hot tub rash you're getting?
#1 Sensitive skin paired with too much chlorine, or bromine.
#2 Pseudomonas folliculitis (a bacteria infection) likely from having too little chlorine or bromine
If you just have sensitive skin you'll likely have itchiness, chapped or dry skin, and redness
If you are getting Pseudomonas folliculitis you'll likely have itchiness, red bumps, and swelling
When it comes to salt systems, it's important to remember it's still chlorine, so may not help, but I do find most people use WAY too much chemical in their hot tub. So having a salt system regulate their hot tub chemical level may help them.
I also have sensitive skin, yet I never shower after using my hot tub, and don't dry out because I use the proper amount of sanitizer. Try to keep your sanitizer level on the low end of your “okay level” on your strip, especially if it's a minimum amount of people using the spa.
@@thehottubman1893You are very Nice to go out of your very Busy day to give such a Thorough reply to this individual.
What about a soft tub
If you're referring to the brand Softub, I would say this is especially true. I sold Softubs for some time, and I found that the liners are extremely sensitive to chemicals. They tend to dry out and eventually crack if your sanitizer gets too high.
Where I am, a Softub re-lining costs about $2000 and because of the lack of businesses that offer the service, there is a 6-month wait period.
Stick with bromine, and be careful about using too much. Leave the lid off for 20 minutes after adding any shock or bromine granules to let it gas off. Hope this helps!
Like comparing a go kart to a corvette.
If what you say is true, which I don’t agree I have a saltwater pool for 15 years and never had any corrosion problems. What’s your answer to that, sir?
Pools and hot tubs are not the same thing. While saltwater systems may have worked for your swimming pool, they may not be a viable option for your hot tub. With a hot tub saltwater system, you risk under and over-chlorinating your water, damaging the hot tub components and shell, and a much higher maintenance cost.
Any thoughts on hydrogen peroxide? I have reacted to bromine in the past
I do not recommend hydrogen peroxide for use in hot tubs for a couple of reasons,
Unlike the 3% drugstore variety, commercial-grade peroxide strong enough to be effective in pools or hot tubs ranges from 25% to 35% concentration. It can be dangerous to store, transport, and handle.
It does an ok job of killing bacteria at 30-40 PPM, but you've got to watch it very closely. At very high levels, it can burn lungs and eyes. It can also cost more to use than other systems.
Often when people have had a bad reaction to chlorine or bromine, it's often that there was way too much of one of them in the water, or that there was bacteria in the water. I've even seen people have reactions to descaling agents, so I would try to eliminate each chemical individually. And always wait 24 hours after adding any chemical before using the hot tub to give it time to dissipate.
Hope this helps!
If you want to do your own research there is a company that has come out with a sanitization unit which uses hydrogen peroxide/UVC disinfection.
Clear Comfort system is being used in a few college campus swimming pools/therapy recovery(hot tubs) also has been scientifically tested backed for it's complete effectiveness(Google it)
Clear Comfort has a hot tub unit available, the problem I have with Clear Comfort is the upfront & annual cost $1,500 then $300.00 annually for a replacement cartridge but all other chemicals are discarded no longer needed other than having to ph your water every so often but that's it.
How do you test peroxide in a spa? It’s dangerous and there’s far better options out there.
I am totally backing up your statements here. I want buyers to beware as well. My dear friend who has been selling hot tub spas for years told me to absolutely not buy into the salt water systems. They are corrosive as you say. She stated tubs are being ruined. She is in Tyler, Texas. I live in Tennessee and the closest dealer here who's salesman I spent a day with told me "The Hot Springs Spas are built with non corrosive parts" I relayed this to my friend in Texas and she said what you said. "That is not true" & recommended Bromine as a sanitizer. I can tell you the only thing more corrosive than salt is a salesman that lies to you perhaps working for a company that is more concerned with making money on repairs and sales than the longevity of rthe customers investment. If you are new like me. Do your homework and do not listen to what a salesman says. If anything look and act dumb when you walk in the door and put your salesman to the test. See if he is hones before you even consider buying from that company.. Thanks Hot Tub Man.
Really appreciate the comment!! I'm glad that you listened to your friend! Unfortunately, most salesmen are just repeating what they have been trained to say, and I doubt most of them know that they are teaching incorrect information.
I learned more in the first 6 months of repairing hot tubs, than I did the first 6 years of selling them.
Cheers
I ended up buying a Caribbean 3 hot tub from Four Winds. I know it’s not built quite like a comparable Jacuzzi brand but it was half the price. Saved close to 10k.
Hold on, bromine generators were found to be carcinogenic, but you're still recommending people use bromine?
I didn't get it either.
I've learned more since making this video!
Here's what I found:
-I'm from Canada, I didn't realize we were the only country to ban Bromine generators due to them being carcinogenic.
-I also, found out that they did not ban them because they, themselves, were carcinogenic, but if the client put in the wrong mix of chemicals into a salt-bromine hot tub, that then it could become carcinogenic.
Because bromine-salt generators are not a part of my daily work life, I can't give an opinion on whether I think they're a good idea. However, because they still use salt, I can't imagine, they would be less corrosive.
Cheers!
Bromine is NOT carcinogenic. Give me a break. So dumb.....are you MAGA too?
It's not the type of chemical, it's the amount of it. Chlorine generating systems add chlorine regardless of any other variables, and saltwater spa users, in virtually every case, end up over chlorinating their spa regularly, because what they don't realize is, if you suddenly don't use your hot tub for a week, well guess what, your chlorine generator is still going to be adding chlorine every single day, and those levels will get really high. The water has a very high ORP all the time, and ends up corroding metal components, usually starting with the heater and the jets. Seen it hundreds of times.
I agree 100%salt systems have destroyed 3 of my tubs from 3 to 5 years, but I am ok with that as I do like the feeling of the water on my skin.
So we should put chemicals that have skull and bones on the bottle!?
I would advise to not eat hot tub chemicals.
Those bottles contain chemicals that are corrosive. Once diluted in an 800gal tub, no problem. Got it?
"Salt Water" in hot tubs existed before Electrolysis devices and never had issues until "salt water devices" became mainstream for hot tubs in 2006. Before that it was called an A-B system, consisting of Part A (Sodium Bromide) and Part B (MPS Shock). You put Sodium Bromide in the water like you would now, but instead of using an overpriced electrolysis device you simply added oxidizer per use and once a week to create the sanitizer you need. But now, you can't use MPS with electrolysis devices without creating carcinogenic gas. Totally ruined a perfectly good salt system, just so manufactures could make an extra couple hundred a sale. Want "salt water"? go back to the way we used to do it before. No electrolysis device, no more electrolytic corrosion.
I've had enough of American junk and ill considered 'innovation'. There are very good reasons why spas have always used Bromine.
I'm sure salt had something to do with those handlebars.....lol
These are strictly bromine handlebars, thank you very much.
Not sure I can trust anybody with green hair..LOL
You dont use either.. you use Epsom Salt, and you utilize a different system.
Use epsome salt and do not electrify.
If you're only using epsom salt in your hot tub, proceed with caution. Epsom salts, being mildly acidic, can disrupt the pH balance and alkalinity of the water. This misalignment can trigger various problems, potentially compromising the cleanliness and longevity of your hot tub.
There is safe epsom salts for hot tubs, mostly for scent, that you use in very small douses.
Unfortunately epsom salts have a knack for causing corrosion in your hot tub, affecting seals, gaskets, metal, and plastic components. The spa pump and spa heater are especially vulnerable, not to mention, they're just not strong enough to kill the bacteria that grows off of all the sweat your body gives off while your soaking.
Please reach out if you have any questions
Omg you seriously need an education on salt water systems. I don’t say that as a bitter salesman but instead someone who’s been in the industry for 30 years.
Just goes to show people, don’t believe everything you see on the www!! 😂
I'm intrigued by a salt system so Id like to hear you provide a link to that education.