Will Sudan’s War Cause Darfur to Secede?
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After 7 months of fighting and recent escalations in violence, Sudan is at risk of splitting once again. So in this video, we'll break down Darfur separatism, the current ethnic violence unfolding there and whether it could secede in the future.
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00:00 Introduction
01:17 Context
02:58 Similarities with South Sudan
05:35 Peace is Looking Unlikely
07:03 Genocide & Ethnic Cleansing
09:01 Too Long (The Newspaper)
I'm from Sudan, thank you for talking about my country, the Army failed to protect the state and the people from the RSF and its allied Arab militia because they're being supplied by countries like the UAE... kinda whished if you talked about how some countries are negatively impacting the peace process in my country beside the multiple peace initiatives that also complicated the matter.
we cant do that, its the fault of the west
@@gillsejusbates6938blaming the west won't fox your problems loser
@@gillsejusbates6938UAE is west country?
@@gillsejusbates6938Calling UAE Western is funny ash
Does Sudan have internet? There's a video about Sudan that being rich means having cattle and taking a bath in cow pee 😔
THANK YOU so much for covering this. As a Sudanese i really can't help but get so frustrated over the lack of media coverage for this conflict. This war has been going on for longer than anyone had initially expected and the lives of millions of people including me, have been disrupted and yet most people don't even know there's an ongoing war here lol. Once again i really appreciate you for making this video.
It's crazy how it's not being covered more, but you're not alone. Erdogan is bombing and ethnically cleansing millions of Kurds. Pakistan is nakbahing 2 million Afghanis, and Assad is still killing Syrians. Israel/Palestine has captured the entire world. No Jews, no news, I guess.
Stay safe my friend, greetings from Mexico!
I have followed the conflict from Europe. While the Army seems bad, my impression of the RSF is that they are purely evil.
Im American and although I was never bog into news until recently, I am honestly disappointed I had never even heard of this. Not shocked, necessarily, but very disappointed that things like this can happen and go under so many people’s radars. I hope you and all your loved ones are ok❤❤
I'm Kenyan and even I have never heard of it despite us not being that far away from each other...it's literally never on the news or in any discussion
Darfur secession will be good given the atrocities. Darfur was an independent state for centuries before 1874.
2 challenges: a) no unity which means potencial infighting post succession and thus a continuum of atrocities (we don't know with certainty how much this is possible) and b) landlocked making it dependant of neighbours who have been cooperating directly or indirectly with the atrocities, thus unreliable independance or potencial fighting of competing countries for its vassalage.
Sometimes geography and location makes it 10x harder for a simple solution as is independance.
as a darfuri and sudani, you have failed to understand that the people who want secession are the arab rsf Janjaweed militias.
they want to basically carry out a full scale genocide, which they currently are, and if they can have it separate, it will become far too vulnerable for African tribes.
their plan is to exterminate africans, which will cause other Africans to leave darfur (just like now and in 2003) because they want the land to be occupied by arabs. Currently, they're bringing in arabs (shuwa and baggara) from Chad, norther nigeria and also niger. Particularly niger, since Mohammed bazzoum (first nigerien president of arab ethnicity) was ousted from power. They want to bring these people to replace the African tribes. With the help of the UAE, they want to build a nation for them, with facilities and services.
the main component of the RSF militia are the rizeigat arab tribe. They can be found in chad and sudan primarily and are abut 4 million in size making them superior in size. This tribe hosts the main leaders of not just the RSF like Mohammed hamdan dagalo but also when it was named the Janjaweed, the militia from 2003, its leader was musa hilal (a cousin to hamdan). in 2003, the africans reblled due to the region being the most marginalised, but the truth is the most marginalised group within darfur were the arabs, who are cattle heading nomads. They weren't a nation because they have no homeland. other tribes like the fur and zaghawa do. Now they want to make their land their own. its kinda like the great replacement theory euopeans have but the difference is in darfur its the reality.
Exactly until the British forced it into Sudan
@@emptyhad2571 Didn't Turkey have a hand in that as well?
@@humanbeing4841 no only the Brits and Egyptians
Coming up next year: the rise of East Sudan.
And then Central-Sudan.
I mean, North Sudan (Bir Tawil) is already a thing, so...
But lf East Sudan has a civil war too then there should be a state called "East East Sudan"
@@TheTophatCheeseyo That's forbidden knowledge that will only happen in another parallel universe
Don't forget south x southwest sudan.
At this rate there will be more Sudans than Guinea
😂 good one
@@puraLusa thanks
Congo too
Let's not forget that Mali was Sudan.
😂
It shouldn't be that hard to respect people's cultures and rights to live freely
When Britain drew the borders the mistake was thinking anyone could live near anyone without killing each other
impossible thanks to islam.
@@InugamiTheHoundnot really s thing with religion look at myanmar
@@InugamiTheHound well it may be contributing but these things occur worldwide. Look at Myanmar, Uyghur autonomous region in China, or how Americans wiped out natives.
@@dogukan7406 yeah its very common thing in Muslim country, look at Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Egypt, Central Asia countries and Pakistan, Killing many non-muslims over the past 200 years. Forcing so many to leave their homes.
West sudan, east sudan, north sudan and sudan Sudan all coming up soon
Don't forget Central Sudan, North Eastern Sudan, South Western Sudan and Bir Tawali Sudanese-Egyptian State
Thing is most regions of Sudan were at some point sultanates, empires, kingdoms, the north had the three Christian Nubian kingdoms, the east had the Funj Sultanate, the west had Darfur Sultanate.
Great information cheers. Really appreciate you highlighting these really interesting conflicts
A new Sudan for every citizen!
I am so sorry for the citizens of Sudan.
Arabs can't coexist with blacks. That's why I support Israel in gaza
Finally someone is talking about Darfur conflict.
Insane that we can't settle simple straightforward cases of self-determination and genocide to this day as a global community.
Self determination is a slippery slope
@@Solo-vh9fm No it's not. Self determination is a human right.
The un has been a failure since 1950
@@Gamer-fz5gltexas? Confederacy? Iriqouis? Hawaii
@@Gamer-fz5gl Yes it is. What size of land or population is viable for self determination. Does Catalunya have the human right to gain independence from Spain? If so, does the province of Barcelona have the human right to secede from Catalunya? If so, does the county of Anoia have the human right to secede from Barcelona? If so, does a local council have the human right to secede from Anoia? If so, does a street have the human right to secede from the local council? Etc etc.
As a South Sudanese,It is so sad.
If Darfur does become independent. I hope it’ll finally flourish unlike with what happened to South Sudan
Seems unlikely given its landlocked nature and continued instability in the region.
This is Africa, my man. Darfur will become another underdeveloped rump state.
@@leonardoleo5740 Botswana and Mauritius are doing pretty well
@@MustacheCashStash125 2 out of 50 countries have SEMI succeded. You can't say the general rule for african nations is failure
They are not intelligent enough to "flourish"
the problem is the janjaweed, who are committing this genocide in Dar-Fur are considered one of the tribes in the region.
The case in South Sudan was different, as South Sudanese were fighting a common enemy which resided in the north. and we were ideologically vastly different. unlike dar-furian who consider they have more common traits due to their common religion.
Somali here.. I wish we could all get along. I have Darfurian south and north Sudanese friends. Growing up I didn't know about these rifts and conflicts. Very unfortunate
that will never happen as long as these invaders reside on our continent and mistreat those who are native to the land. Sudan is a country doomed to eternal suffering in all Abrahamic books. It is by God's grace that that South Sudan is free from that disgusting place. Now we just need to change our name to free ourselves of that cursed place completely.
Sudan is killing blacks while they blavk themselves self hate is deep
@@raeraesocraycray7702 Can you quote the verses?
@@Koshin_Jimcali why don't you focus on somali -land and punt and waring between somalis . Also somails literally suck . Failed state
The new desk setup looks very professional!
I found very strange you didn't mention UAE role in this conflict, they are the biggest support of the RSF
It's supposed to be the short version (TLDR), and the faction-country relationships would at least double the length.
"used cease fires just to rearm"... Sounds familiar, here in the middle east....
Thanks for covering what's happening
I like you're new desk setup!
Darfur has suffered enough. Even if they end up going in a South Sudan direction, they need to be independent of Khartoum.
andrew klang a white dude living in europe cheering for people that live in subsharian africa very strange
@@TTTT-sj3vzonly strange for people who only see nationality and skin colour as opose to see humans. Aka ur racist.
Ok johny buoy
And what will happen after darfur becomes independent, we already know that the Arab militias and the RSF are from darfur and make up 40% of the population
As a member of the fur tribe I literally say no. Even though we have been mistreated by the government that’s not the same mindset the people has.
Darfur is better in Sudan rather than outside of it.
Daily reminder that Arab colonialism never dis anything good for Africa. All it ever led to is instability and death for us black Africans.
Take a look at the skin colour and facial features of Darfuri Arabs and tell me again how they aren't included as black Africans.
@@Threezi04 because they choose to classify themselves as Arabs. Also, considering how their kill squads separate local African tribes based on skin color and tribe, I think that should you they don't view themselves as black Africans.
Most tribes in Sudan aren't Arab by blood just language
@@Threezi04 They're not black
@@Threezi04 initially they were Yemenis, who are pretty dark themselves.
This should be no surprise. The African continent was never supposed to be drawn up this way. We have it to ourselves that it is so unstable, even today
It was unstable before colonialism as well
@@UltimatePaSe1incorrect. It was no more unstable than any other tribal land and western/northern africa had plenty of stable, prosperous nation states. The kingdom of ghana, mali, aksum, and the sultanate of morocco just to name a few.
@@UltimatePaSe1 not as unstable as it has become after the colonial era. This is true of most formerly colonized lands
yes racism and aparthiad is ok cuz they didnt make their own borders
@@xkaiokenx10 Except East Asia, South east Asia, Ireland, Australia, South America, Eastern Europe, South Caucasus, Taiwan, Iceland and probably a couple others.
Summary of this video
The war in Sudan has been ongoing for 7 months.
Thousands of deaths and over 2 million people have been displaced.
In early November, paramilitary forces targeted and murdered at least 800 Masalit people.
An additional 8,000 people have fled to neighboring Chad.
The recent violence in Sudan risks splitting the country apart.
The video will explore the history of the separatist movement in Darfur.
It will discuss the current ethnic violence unfolding in Darfur.
The possibility of Darfur succeeding in the future will be considered.
Viewers are encouraged to subscribe and ring the bell for notifications.
A civil war erupted in Sudan in April, led by the Sudanese armed forces and rapid support forces.
The violence quickly spread to other parts of the country, including Darfur.
In June, the provincial capital of West Darfur was attacked, displacing non-Arab populations.
In July, a mass grave with 87 bodies was found near the city.
In early this month, the town of Adata was attacked, resulting in the murder of over 800 Masalit people.
It always surprises me just how quick the crew change their shirts for the ad read 😳😳
When TDLR asks a question the answer is no
Where are the ppl protesting in the west calling out this genocide in Sudan??? Crickets.
What the targeting of non Muslims in a Muslims country huh say its not so almost like a common pattern
Are you deaf? In the video they made it clear that Darfur is Muslim, this conflict has nothing to do with religion it is an ethnic conflict where all sides are Muslim.
Crisis stricken is putting it very charitably.
Good breakdown of history...
Will they keep the name Darfur or West Sudan
Darfur. But man, I want the sudan split meme to keep going. Maybe we can name Bir Tawil "East Sudan" ?
Northeast Sudan*
@@MenwithHillyeah I hope they keep this trend going
Well actually I don’t because that would mean more war and bloodshed, but if there is gonna be war and bloodshed they may as well keep the directional thing going
@@bababababababa6124 the genocide was already happening before Sudan started to blow up into bits. Separation is not what's gonna result in more violence, it's the one hope that the minorities of the country have to get a government that can protect them and not just let ethnic cleansing run rampant.
@@steeliuscup4803Darfur means land of the furs and plus Darfur has existed long before Sudan has
Darfur + South sudan = Reviving Nubia
Nubia was in North Sudan indeed its borders ended at Soba in Khartoum
Nubia starts at Aswan (in Egypt) and ends at Khartoum, and it follows the Nile so the desert and the coast aren't Nubian either.
Wait wait wait so we could have north Sudan, South Sudan and "west Sudan"?!
West Sudan is already the name for Sahelian West Africa.
As a Sudanese I want to thank you from heart for spreading awareness, however the map you showed is wrong. The triangle of Halaieb and Shalateen is Sudanese land illegaly occupied by the Egyptian army. I would really appreciate if you made a video on this topic
Halaieeeeeeeeeeb triangle
@@dakotarelford7843 hard to pronounce it in English but I tried my best
you are losing a land nearly 7 times the size of halayeb and shalateen and this what you care about now? really? xD
@@TheBoyWhoLiveddd725 I care about all the people of my country as someone should...
Care about Darfur first then@@mohammadalamin8910
Sudan is the biggest embarrassment in Africa, i hope dafur gains independence.
Religion of peace strikes again
You must be so dumb to think this war has anything to do with religion
This war has nothing to do with religion -_- Are Muslims not even allowed to fight now? If you saw two random muslims get into a streetfight over a personal spat would you say "religion of peace strikes again"?
The Sudanese people deserve better than this, amazing culture, I hope they have peace in the near future somehow although currently things seem to be getting worse.
Thinbs will be better and we Sudanese know our capabilities
this crisis in Sudan can get any worse
Is it just me or does the lighting feel off when they pan back to jack?
Seems the saturation has been turned up, and it feels a little grainy, I'm not sure tho.
I rated this channel until i heard Johnny harris is featured in your newspaper.
what's wrong with Johnny?
If Darfur also leaves, then wtf Sudan even exists for? For everyone to leave? F*ck that.
8:00 When was there ever a strong secessionist movement in Rwanda ?
Darfur should be an independent nation
Since the RSF seems to be in charge there now it would only happen if they chose to secede.
Wow. I don’t know if that will fix the problems. South Sudan split from Sudan and still has its issues. Splitting into another country can mean a new start but it also can mean less resources overall to put towards other issues.
State hood is a long and complicated process. Tell me the country that managed that in a straightforward and pain free way. Especially with a population lacking decent education and financial means.
South Sudan is actually making good progress.
@@AsiaMinor12im from South Sudan. Who want to live by Arab Sudanese. Its disaster, Genocide for Darfur since 2003. Millions people Killed , Raped, Burn alive etc.
South sudan has gone to be a shithole it would be much better it united with sudan or become vassal state of sudsn
That's what she said, "Too Long"
May Darfur, Azawad, Biafra, Somaliland, Western Sahara, Dankalia and other separatist/secessionist states stop this and stay chill. Unity ✊
It can't only be me who thinks Darfrur's border looks like a Dinosaur
It is only you
People are dying and this is what you think?
just you
@@KisalYahampathtypical westerner.
Not again
A channel called "To Lazy Didnt Read" made a newspaper... hmmm
Poor Sudan just can't stay together
It is as if Britain designed it to be such
@@thetruecyrusplayz1256nope, they left ages ago thats not an excuse anymore
+they barely had control anyway and the mahdi also aggressively pursued ethnic cleansing before any british intervention in the reigon.
Tensions with ethnic groups were always there
“Britain bad” isnt an excuse sorry
@@tcw_6609 Ok, but the British still drew the Borders that would promise Ethnic conflicts for decades to come
@@thetruecyrusplayz1256the brits didn't drew sudan borders 😂. Sudan borders were made by conquest when brits were in the stone age 😂
Why people invent this sh it!
@@tcw_6609they drew the borders their fault
I hope the powers that be are watching this drama carefully.
YES please
Darfur best opportunity would be to join South Sudan like they should have years ago when they were asked to join them
lame
That never happened snd can never happened. Stupid logic
Nah it's better for them to have their own state than join us
@@salihalash4111 lmaoo ask the people there and they would agree. The borders aren’t even drawn permanently, because they were supposed to be a part of ssd. Why you so mad?
@@anyiethyai1261 that’s not feasible. It’s easier to join ssd like many Darfur want, and many them are fleeing to South Sudan anyways. So while the borders aren’t permanently set it’s better so when they are eventually Darfur can be a part of ssd
Secede and END Arab imperialism and colonialism.
Ironic post considering your account name.
@@sebastianprimomija8375 Space marines do it all
how much they pay to write these coments ?
@@TTTT-sj3vz Just because you think such sentiments aren't real, doesn't make it true. Wake up to reality.
@@TTTT-sj3vzArab supremacism in Africa has to end
South Sudan should rename itself to Nubia.
South sudan has no relation to nubia infavt they were slave market for nubia
@@sudanesemappingball249 Didn't stop Mali from calling itself Mali. It's about ambition.
Man I can see all the benefits and unity these African Nationalists said would come after they got rid of all these European colonizers!
The European colonizers didn’t really leave.
How about its not Europe and the West who should try and solve everything... Fix it Africa. You got it. I believe in you.
This is why everyone should support whatever african union decides as the best solution.
south sudan flashbacks
If Darfur does secede, will it be recognized as an independent state? That's what I want to know. Also, if Darfur does secede and become an independent state such as South Sudan it might only be the beginning of their problems. Look at South Sudan and the chaos that has erupted in the country since.
Problem not.
Why is no one talking about this ethnic cleansing????
Not conected to western economic groups interests.
Just like Yugoslavia genocide
Since it’s Arabs instigating it it’s ok, they’re an oppressed people, they can do no wrong 😂
"yeah prolly"
With respect to your opening statement: So what is the Developed World supposed to do about it? Invade? The Developing World hates it when that's done. Send humanitarian aid? A band aid that doesn't solve anything.
I am going to hold my tongue. Cause
This makes me wonder if the Beja people in Northeastern Sudan will secede as well. If they do then Sudan will lose its sea access.
Sudan would never let themselves become landlocked.
That really depends on wether or not they get foreign support. Wouldn't be the first nation to become landlocked via secessionism, ask Ethiopia. But Eritrea had good foreign support. Sudan will most certainly declare war if the Beja get anywhere near strong enough to worry them.
Chad must be watching this with interest
Top 2 newest Country gets independence from Sudan
Lets see if the media covers this as much as Palestine, doubt it
Neat
I'm surprised they haven't already seceded. The Sudanese have treated them with nothing but contempt and inflicted a genocide.
Thats a good thing they are
Balkanization moment
Darfur has suffered enough
There are no active separatist groups in Darfur, despite the fact that most of what you said is accurate. If they do cecede, it will still be the same population of warring groups and the violence won't stop, so neither the RSF nor the other non Arab groups are looking for separation. In fact there are stronger separatist movements in North and East Sudan as there is a movement there that is arguing that a unified Sudan will always be a failed state.
Those arab states are conected to economic interest groups and actually participate in buying the raw material that is exploited and what actually produces this conflict. Ofcourse, it isn't in their interest to allow darfurians to choose who gets to exploit these ressources 😂.
It’s true, Sudan is an artificial creation of the British and Egyptians. There can be no united Sudan because it does not correspond to ethnic and religious boundaries.
@@puraLusa Again, what you are saying is kind of true, but has nothing to do with what I said
Every conflict in Africa ever since the African nations have gained independence demonstrates repeatedly that giving them their independence was the wrong thing to do.
They killed your kind to get independence. Not that you'd do anything about it 🤣
it's not long ago when colonial nations tried to wipe each other clean from the world map,the thing is let Africa handle it's own conflicts
@@ngari117 Such isn't the right thing to do. If you see two guys fighting each other, you try to stop the fight before they hurt each other more, not stand by and watch them kill each other.
Darfur needs support
I like your videos but I think the question of Darfur seceding is a bit silly. Overall youre not wrong but some facts are twisted a bit.
Talking about genocide. At the end: Please buy our new product....
They can't keep reporting on the genocide if they have no revenue
Tldr needs to talk about Ecosia they are a search engine that plants trees
But arent one of the groups propogating the violence themselves native to Darfur? This isnt like South sudan where the difference was majorly religious in nature..
Not to mention the fact that now, the Sudanese armes forces are actually going against the RSF which is carrying out the genocide
Indeed yes the RSF are made from tribes that are native to Darfur
What's the likelihood of a seccesionist Darfur joining Chad?
Impossible
Ethiopia would also splits into different countries like Yugoslavia....Eritrea and Tigray gone now Somalia, oromo, gambella and gumuz are on their way 😢😢😢
It should all go to the uk
I hope. I'm from Darfur
Could the region work as an independent nation? I mean does it have enough resources like water?
@@bbenjoe Full of gold and yes there are water. Same as Chad
@@Ali-sYT And with that, you also explained why central Sudan doesn't want to let the region go.
West Sudan.
Why do you guys always say "this video *was* brought to you by..." when clearly the reference is at the *beginning* of the video??!!??!!
Muslims fighting who would of thought
Europeans fought an 100 year war.
@@JJmanWRLD868 No wonder Muslims walk on foot to Europe cuz there's a war right?
@@JJmanWRLD868113 years! Nobody does unnecessarily bloody holy wars that could have been easily avoided quite like us.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer the holy war only lasted 30 years, this 100 years one was a war of succession
like rusiia and ukraine right
FOR FUCKS SAKE
HOW HARD CAN IT BE TO DO SOMETHING?!
RSF has control of half of Sudan's territories militarily now.
No they only control five states out of 18 thats not even a quartee
@@sudanesemappingball249 which means the Sudanese army can not defeat them militarily, they have to come to the table hold negotiations, and end the civil war. Sudan is one of the biggest nations in Africa and if there is war it affects every one of us. Stop the war now. I am from the Tigray regional state of Ethiopia and I care a lot for all of the Sudanese people. They do not deserve this deadly civil war.
Damn, the fled to a neighboring chad. Just like my ex
Sudan 3
I sure hope so, that or Darfur is absorbed into Chad
No
We want to stay in Sudan
@@emptyhad2571 tell that to the Black Africans being murdered in Darfur by Arabs do you think they want to stay in a country that wants to genocide them?
They killed over 4500 already in darfur
I’d buy your newspaper…but it’s 10 euro lol
you better worry about Scotland and Irish !!!!!
(Dar)fur sure they’ll secede.
I’ll see myself out.
You do that, thank you
what future of dividing sudan
That's what the overthrow of Al-Bashir was all about...
Man. Sudan just isnt winning with the whole country thing
Freedom for Darfur, Kurdistan, Somaliland, Scotland, Flanders, Catalonia, Assyria, etc
No