DON'T Throw Away Your Old Router - WDS
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Learn about WDS and how it's like turning your router into an invisible Ethernet cable.
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"Never plug it in to the WAN port"
If you do Linus and Luke will never stop interrupting you
Very very true
But maybe than they'll start the show on time
Me:WELL. IT JUST GAVE ME NO WIFI😑😑
@@Roeclean But were you able to watch the WAN show?
unless you've got custom firmware that lets you bridge them all together
I can’t be the only person who tries these 20 minute type projects sometimes and always runs into crazy issues that nobody else has ever seen
Me trying to port forward for my Minecraft server :(
@@hunter1586 lmfao I tried that and the server just never worked. No clue why but I just got some random error code that doesn’t exist anywhere on google I guess
broken router firmware is fun :) many have features that were never tested.
like one i had that would not let you set dns manually if you did it would just put 0.0.0.0 lol
@@ratbag359 if only it were 1.1.1.1, which actually is a DNS server, but sadly it wasn't to be lol
I always have the exact wrong hardware revisions for any of the 'good stuff' to work. Always.
Let's appreciate that they keep their videos short and straightforward, doing what their name says.
They know their audience which are the Zoomers...
@@takehirolol5962 Lol
@Owol Yeah
Shortcircuit: am I a joke to you?
I thought that I made a comment on this as we have the exact same profile pic
"it's like running an ethernet cable, but wirelessly" my man just explained wifi
Does connecting a router to a main by wire better than this solution?
@@夏愛-j7z yes
@@夏愛-j7z wired is always better, just not always convenient.
@blah blah but it cuts the bandwidth by half for each hop
Ummm... ya... this makes no sense unless the item you have doesn't have any Wifi capability, then you plug it into the 2ndary router... otherwise, you should just use wifi.
i actually got an ad with riley for pulseway, saying its time for quickbits. Love it
Me too
Yeah same here
me too
it's*
I got an add for weetbix...
I never throw away my old router, I Craigslist that thing.
Lol
subsrcibe to pewidpeie
@@memesauce7703 9 year old
@@ilovecatsandalsorabbits yes
Just get a new router from the same manufacturer, and see if you can enable Mesh networking.
Works much better for larger homes
0:40 "Kind of like running an ethernet cable, but wirelessly." Damn, did Ryley just invent Wifi?
yes
indeed
@@HearMeLearn
Hey SINUS 😂
And you can add Wired Equivalent Privacy
@@HearMeLearn Brings a new meaning to "sinus headache"
A secondary router is also great for bypassing parental controls. Just make sure the secondary router assigns ip-adresses higher than the primary one and that the two routers are connected via LAN instead. There's probably more to this but this worked for me.
2:00 x.x.x.255 is not possible as it is your broadcast adress in the subnet and cannot be used as an ip-adress in a /24 subnet (same with x.x.x.0 and the ip your main router uses)
Thank you! They had a lot of ciritcal info right, shame that they made this „small“ mistake
Technically he said between 0 and 255, you are right though.
.1 is probably the address of the main router too, that's why he said BETWEEN, so, 2-254
I agree, hi I'm a computer networking student
@@luisgeraldes32 gateway ip's will most always be x.x.x.1
Btw, using a mask 255.255.255.0 which is the default for home networks, an address terminating with .255 is the broadcast address and not a valid device IP address!
I'm throwing away my old AND new router right now. How about that?
You still have a komputer don't you?
Smart, just get a mesh network system. 🙃
Even better: sell them instead. :P
yeah, gotta get that starlink satellite instead lol. its now available in my area owo
Rage quit?
Good vid! One thing I’ recommended is setting up a DHCP pool of 150 IPs on the primary router (ie 192.168.1.1- 192.168.1.150) then using the IP’s that are not in the pool for static IP assignments. (Make the 2nd router 192.168.1.151) then it will never conflict with the DHCP pool.
I Just changed my router a hour ago, your video just saved his life.
What router you get I’m in the market ?
Rember speed is cut in half
don't use wds theres probably a better repeater option in the settings of your router. wds is pretty old and unsafe
@@cl_albus Still beats dropping the connection when ur ever so slightly too far...I knew my old router might come in handy! :p
Were you really going to just throw away a perfectly working piece of tech?
Because that transition into corsair's ad was so buttery smooth, I watched the entire video. So smooth, I even questioned why Linus should even bother doing them anymore.
Within 2 and 254 is more accurate. .1 is invariably used by the main router and .255 is a special address used for broadcast.
He did say between
Use 42. 254 is also often assigned to routers
Eh...set DHCP to give out 192.168.1.100 to 200. Use any of the rest for static IPs. Kinda crazy though if you have a big family you could run out with my strategy.
Damn, even though I know this feature i'm just impressed at how well you added all the important points on such as disabling DHCP on the secondary router and keep the video so short!
2:12 damn didn't know Riley was from Pakistan
damn wtf pakistan
Raja Riley Khan Tanoli
Land of terrorism
@@jinxblaze true haha
They probably did that to increase bandwidth allocation
"Don't throw away your old router"
*Cries in 802.11g
"Setting the last number between 1 and 255". Actually you'll want to set it between 2 and 254. 255 is the broadcast IP for sending data to all devices on the network. You also don't typically want to set it to 1, because well, 1 is usually the gateway.
i was using the wrong channel settings 3 years ago when i was trying to do this. Thank you for reviving this project for me!
Riley: "Wow, you watched the whole video"
Well actually I listened to the whole Riley ...... ASMR ya know
You are missing out on the epicness that is called Riley tho
Being straight to the point, it is, no doubt, the best WDS configuration guide on TH-cam.
If your routers have both 2,4 and 5 Ghz channels you can use say the 2,4 one as the bridge and connect devices to the 5 one to improve speed.
Yes and no, 2.4 is already slow, plus the penalty to retransmit, plus the loss over distance, you'd be lucky to get 25-30Mbps at the far end. Would it work? Probably. Would you want to use it for anything other than your siblings devices when you are mad at them? No.
@@caniscerulean So you mean that I'm better off use only 5 Ghz band for both link and devices? I think not sir, 2,4 has better range than 5 Ghz and don't fall that much behind in speed. And to have a dedicated channal for the link is cuting a lot of traffic freezing up the 5 Ghz channel to handled the wireless devices. BUT, if you only use wired devices with your brigde then ofcourse the 5 Ghz channel should handle the link.
Nah, you always want the faster link for the back haul. Otherwise, all your devices will be connecting using the faster 5Ghz and then bottlenecking on the slower link. This is true of all networks, whether they be Wi-Fi, wired, road, rail etc...
@@leopold7562 that is true, the backhaul should be the faster one, good point. But what I ment to point out with my original post was the fact that you could split the duties between the 2 channels for improved results. Because that is something that isn't mentioned in the video.
@@viktor4174 Ah, I get you now. Yeah, that would be better, then you're not sharing the backhaul with other devices.
I live in a large victorian home with walls that don't like wifi. So I have a network of routers connected together. I've been doing it for a few years now and never had a problem. Good to see others have figured this out.
I've decorated with the cables draped from the celling aesthetic.
Mmm that's the best one.
best sponsor ever, been using the hs70 pro for a year now and its just so freaking amazing and versatile! would highly recommend it!!!
It's also important to make sure the IP address of the secondary router is not in the range of the DHCP range on the primary router. Weird problems can happen otherwise.
Even if there´s no WDS option you can still use it for extanded range, if you connect it via cable and setup a second wlan it works like a charm as well, using that way for 3 years now.
2:12 "Region: Pakistan" ?!?
Nice catch man 😂
Some regions configs "allow" more wifi channels in the router 'cause in some countries legislations don't allow wireless networks on some ranges. It's not rare to see from 1 to 11 and if you select another it shows 1 to 15 for e.g.
That can help to put your network on a channel that there is less neighbors: less noise :P
@@P4NCH1 true but it's illegal per FCC regulations.
@@lands1459 Indeed. But we all know that "can" and "should" are not the same thing..
@@P4NCH1 idk what you mean but kek
I love how I had to figure everything in this video the hard way a while back when I set up my home network, but if I hadn't I wouldn't understand a thing now
I use my old Asus router as an access point connected to my new router by ethernet. The speeds are much better this way.
Me too
please take note that WDS only works reliably that uses the same chipset or at least the same generation and brand of the chip for it to work reliably.
the replacement with WDS is Mesh, this one doesnt rely on using the same chipset, you only need for the chipset to support Mesh mode, if you run a openwrt querying the command "iw list" can display the supported modes.
but it makes for the perfect firsbee!
so that would make it wi-fly?
To be honest was nice to see this video back in 2010 . Because i did the same but using the wire method not the WiFi method. Was amazing in my hole backyard having strong wifi signal, this video man so nostalgic to see it . Keep the good work up 👍
.255 is not a valid address where a /24 subnet mask is in use as is the case for most home networks and consumer routers. Also .1 is most likely going to be the main router's address.
he said *between* those values
@@sodiboo but the first one is possible while .255 isn't
@@sodiboo When someone says pick a number between 1 and 10 do they never pick 1 or 10?
@@novicedroner2629 Do you "throw a dice and get a number between 0 and 7"?
@@novicedroner2629 between x and y is ambigous between an inclusive range and an exclusive one, if you instead say “pick a number from 1 to 10” that’s unambiguous
I used the 12v transformer from an old router to power quiet fans I put on a loud AF 3D printer (24v). I harvested the Sunon Maglev 4020 etc fans from Sky PVRs and used the 320Gb HDDs for storage.
Plugging directly into the WAN port increases the resolution of Linus by 3840%
So helpful and useful, not just for wifi in the home but for a networking module I’m doing at univer
"192.168.0.1"
10.0.0.1 Gang rise up.
And also 172.16.0.1 - Why nobody wants me?
I’m here
Xfinity: 10.0.0.1
@@DB-47 lol no one seems to use it
192.168.x.x king
and 10.x.x.x runner up
172.16.x.x to 172.31.x.x never seen used
I'm definitely a fan of 192.168.0.1 myself, but my current network was set up for 10.0.0.1 from my last router, and I was too lazy to switch all the static IP's haha.
Another reason to use a 2nd (or more) old router - they can take the load off the main router for all your IoT devices - I have nearly 50 wireless devices connected to two old routers and my main router zips along with 350/36Mbps down/up speeds quite happily all day long. Connecting lots of pinging devices to the main router can kill its ability to work efficiently (learnt the hard way).
Also, wire network devices that you care about if you can, you can't beat a wired connection [yet].
Back in the good ol'days we use to hand write then bit bang dd-wrt on to our routers!
It worked man....! I had an old router from cave mans that had an ADSL wan port. Got it buried under piles of junk in the store room. Got it and set it up. Got an wifi repeater for free. Thank you LTT. Loving it❤
The wan port is my private line to The Wan Show 😂🏆
The video could do with a heads-up about security issues like sticky devices (e.g. a tablet, laptop) you have trouble removing, and ROP-Attacks on older routers. Some of these things can be resolved, but do be aware of it firstly. If you're going to do this, sometimes it is better used where you've made a smoothwall or slackware server (from a PC) as the first "router".
Video suggestion: Comparing the latency of an 8000 Mhz Polling Rate Gaming Mouse with a PS2/ mouse
Yes, theres a lack of videos discussing this properly
th-cam.com/video/mwf_F2VboFQ/w-d-xo.html
@@eniff2925 This video is great, but all the mice he tries are USB based. I want to see the results of PS/2 mouse
@@pablomonsalve3911 It makes no percievable difference with modern USB mice. But I agree there are not many videos on this topic, I found one here:
th-cam.com/video/TAA1n_9cXrA/w-d-xo.html
Error: Pick a number between 1 and 255 for the last number.
You can't use .255 for the last number of an IPv4 address on a /24 network (a network with with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0). 192.168.0.255 or 192.168.1.255 are what are known as broadcast addresses on those networks. When you send a packet to one of them, every host on the network receives the packet (hence why it's known as a broadcast). Most properly written networking software will not allow you to assign a broadcast address as an individual address for a host (and a bunch of other addresses typically aren't allowed but I digress).
When picking an IP for a 2nd WiFi router for WDS, make sure it's not set to be the same as the 1st router and also make sure it's outside of the range of addresses that the 1st router will be handing out via DHCP. For example if your 1st router is at .1, and your DHCP setting is to hand out addresses from .2 to .254, you'll need to adjust the range of addresses the 1st router is handing out. Easiest would be to change it from .2 to .253 and then use .254 for the 2nd WiFi router's static IP or you can change the range to .3 to .254 and put the 2nd WiFi router on .2.
Alternatively you can do DHCP reservation where you grab the MAC of the 2nd router and reserve it on the DHCP settings on the 1st router to always hand out the same IP to the 2nd router as MAC addresses on routers typically don't change like they do on iphones with their 'private address' setting.
If you have no idea what we're talking about with DHCP, MAC addresses, and the like, I suggest consulting the Google and doing some research to plan it out. You can try and get a working configuration by guessing and just randomly picking numbers, but that's a roll of the dice and you may end up with situations where random devices can't connect to the Internet while you have terrific signal strength at random times. If you can learn how to overclock a CPU or how to squeeze extra FPS out of your hardware for your favorite games, you can figure out home networking.
dont worry ill just throw away my new router
I'll*
@@CreeperPookie I’ll
@@stxnw I’LL
I'lL
Thanks for the help!
The easy way to do this is to use a wireless gaming adapter for X box or similar wired console. It is designed from the start to be a wireless client with only one client port. This port can be connected to a switch if you need to expand the number of devices on the gaming adapter.
"We've run out of ideas for Techquickie. What do we do?"
"Let's make a video about a technology that's been around since the turn of the century and still sucks."
"Give this man a medal!"
IKR? I ended up running a 20-meter ethernet cable from the house to the shed in order to connect the two routers. The wireless version was painfully unreliable.
I have done this for multiple different reasons and it has worked reasonably well. For a while I needed a temporary wireless connection until I could get some cables long enough to run through the ceiling to provide data to a desk I had just moved. At this very moment, I am using it with a wireless baby camera that the wireless has died on, so I don’t have to run a line for it just to use it.
TL;DR: great for temporary fixes, and makes wired devices wireless.
I recently did that at my parent's house, but thanks for educating more people on how to reuse old hardware! :D
This is so weird, I literally was searching of this yesterday because I want to extend my WiFi range and you guys uploaded this video now....
they heard u
@@priestofhiro fr
A few correction about the 192.168 private IP range. 3rd octet can be in the range of 0 to 255. While the 4th can be in the range of 1 to 254. As 0 and 255 are reserved for the network address and broadcast address respectively. So you cannot use those 2.
Working in IT for so long WDS for me, means Windows Deployment Services.
I just use my old router to extend WiFi range but instead of WDS, I opted to use Powerline adapter. This ensure I get full WiFi speed on the secondary router as well.
LTT: "Don't thrown away you old router".
Me who had stored his first 28Kbps dial up modem 😏
I still own my 300 baud modem for my C64.
@@Null-- ooh, the big fat rubber cups? Acoustic coupler from hell?
@@Dranok1 This actually has a wired phone plug - though at the time I thought the acoustic ones looked so amazing. Also Wargames.
You can also use it if you have 5 cables and only 4 ports on the router. One port can go to your old router and then on to the wired devices.
lol I'm listening to this on the HS70 pros that's having connection issues after only 2 years of owning them
Sht. I really knew my tech in the late 90s and early 2Ks. I got old, but the reminders here are priceless. Thanks!
That smooth segway though
I got a Pulseway add with Riley and this Tq is also hosted by Riley. The add started with the "now it's time for the quick bits". I thought for a moment I was in the middle of a TechLinked video. Bonkers.
I am happy with my 100 metre ethernet cable running through my house.
Depending on your router, and its firmware, you can set the wan port to be another lan port. also it is possible on some routers to set antennae to be rx or tx only, so that you only lose a small amount of speed as it will dedicate transmission and receiving to those specific antennae. It doesn't eliminate the speed loss, but it can mitigate it to some extent. I used an old linksys router reflashed with dd-wrt as a wireless repeater for a while to grab the free wifi in my city, and connect wired devices to it. Setup with a script that auto reconnected and spoofed the routers mac address every so often to dodge usage limits. Worked surprisingly well.
I see Riley, I click.
This is as good as throughput between routers and every hop cut the already halved speed to half. You will get more pleasant experience through cable with different channels, optimized overlaping.
I'm remembering all those weird stuff that happened when I set up a wifi vendo machine.
Note:
it’s not necessarily 192.168.0.XXX or 192.168.1.XXX
Just look up your specific address on your router settings, or use the command _ipconfig_ on windows / _ifconfig_ on Linux and chose the first three parts of jour IP-Adress (if your subnet mask is 255.255.255.0)
for example 192.168.5.XXX
Or give the old router to your neighbour and as soon they have it plugged in so will you have the password to connect on their wifi and get free internet. 😏
They will reset it and change it's password 😂
Just ask for their password then go home and set up a router or signal repeater with the same name and password.
They will benefit from the increased range, you benefit from free internet.
I've seen people do this with free wi-fi from stores they are in range of.
@@MohsinExperiments Note down their WPS pin. No one changes that shit ever.
I once organised 3 people who lived in a block to share there connection with extenders (made from routers) and as far as I know they still do it now 3 years later but its like 12 flats now and they run cables out of the windows to clear floors 🤣😂👍👌😉
@@EZ-D-FIANT wow nice one
2:02 Between 2 and 254!
.1 and .255 are already in use (assuming your new router is using .1 and you're using a /24 subnet (255.255.255.0).
Thanks for reminding me of my old Samsung Galaxy S3. That thing would hang on to WiFi signals even when it was only receiving a few bits per second from one AP and there was a 2nd AP right next to the phone.
I was so happy when I got an OP3 and it was switching automatically just like I wanted it to.
Using two additional wireless routers (in addition to the FIOS wireless router that's connected to the ISP) and DD-WRT firmware flashed to one of the additional routers, I set up a bridge mode connection between two buildings on my property, the house and a workshop outbuilding. The DD-WRT-flashed router in the outbuilding is dedicated to WiFi traffic with the FIOS router in the house. A LAN port on the DD-WRT router is connected to the WAN port on the third router, and that third router provides WiFi in the outbuilding as well as 4 LAN ports, one of which I use. The WiFi in the outbuilding is fast because the half-duplex limitation is avoided. But it does mean running 3 routers 24/7/365, which is a bit wasteful.
"don't throw away your old router"
Shows a nicer router then I've yet to even see in person...
XD
🎩👌
One thing you should also mention is to not assign the IP of the secondary access point to the same IP as a device already connected with a DHCP lease.
What I prefer to do, is set the secondary access point to 192.168.1.254/255, and set a permanent reservation on DHCP to the MAC of the secondary router.
If you don't reserve the address by the MAC, you run the risk at some point of the DHCP server assigning a random IP to your secondary router when the lease expires.
Am i the only one that noticed Pakistan at 2:12 😂
I did something like this a bit over a year ago... except that the routers are connected to each other over 5GHz wifi, and the network I actually use is 2.4GHz, so it doesn't actually slow down anything (both of them support 5GHz and 2.4GHz, but most of my devices don't support 5GHz). It obviously wasn't called WDS, I had to figure it out myself. And good to know that my "hack" with setting the same ssid, password and encryption to both of them wasn't just my dumb idea that was never supposed to work.
"wow you watched the whole video"
omg the *WHOLE* 4:40 minutes, yay me O_o
the problem came when you want to use UDP (video streaming, RTC, etc) since WiFi is half duplex... So when you send a packet to the bridge, it will create a new to the router and back, but when the bridge trasmit to router or receive from client device, the other communication cannot be exist. If possible, connect your router and bridge with LAN port, which is full duplex, and not affected by the neighbour's WiFis...
I also recommend installing OpenWRT.
That’s over the head of most people watching this video.
@@Bob_Smith19 Learning and bettering yourself to make your life easier is over most people's heads? Huh?!
I actually have run a 100ft ethernet cable all over my house. I get so much more consistent speeds than wifi. Luckily I haven't tripped over it yet.
I guess I did a good when I at least hid it away behind furniture, then pushed into a crevice along the stairs and then up and over a doorframe to keep it out of sight and off the floor, then the rest of it just coiled behind my pc lol
0:40
It's an Ethernet cable just without cable..... Ummm wifi?
Nah, ethernet cables without cables are just an even number of rj45 connectors. Unless you got one of them weird split cables, then you have an odd number of connectors.
I did something similar with an old linksys router, except instead of doing a wireless mesh, I disabled the wireless altogether and used an ethernet powerline adapter and used it as a switch for my server, TV, and desktop.
2:42 that's what she said
At 1:58, you should actually say between numbers 2-254. 1 is typically the main router IP address, and 255 is the networks broadcast address.
I recently wired up my entire condo with cat 6. The network has never been more stable.
from what I can tell from your profile picture, your cat 6 seems healthy and well configured.
Thanks for the best network tip ever :-)
I re-purposed my old telephone lines use them for computer connections instead. You can also use MOCA or powerline adapters to bridge the routers together. Also strange that they didn't mention that you could use a 10.0.0.0 network which is often used instead of a 192.168.0.0. Not a bad video though.
Perfect! Riley's mom always complains about the bad wifi on here side of the truck stop.
lol I just got exactly same asus router
Asus makes this easy and has mesh networking built in.
@@Bob_Smith19 true. it was incredible easy to instal and setup
Asus are the best I bought the same one in January new from Amazon, but they sent a used faulty one, I sent it back after a week and its been out of stock ever since so had to buy a TP link AX6000 instead.
Used an old ISP router as a switch in one of the kids rooms - I turned off wireless on it, but forgot to turn off DHCP and it was on a .0.1 range while main router was .1.1 - took me 2 years to realise why I had loads of annoying issues connecting to network, assumed it was issue with crappy configs on DD-WRT.
Pfft... 100 foot ethernet cable, more like wlan on a budget
Wan*
Wide area network*
why not both? :D
ran a 50m ethernet line to shed, have an old router w/ dhcp disabled out there for the PCs setup in there.. and bridged wifi for extending that shite for the times when i have my phone or nintendo switch out here too. gigabit through to house for wired connections, full speed wifi for the wireless stuff.
having strong wifi thats near 100% all throughout the household and still near 100% way out in the back yard is awesome too
2:02 when using a 255.255.255.0 subnet mask, it actually needs to be between 1-254. 255 is reserved (broadcast address).
I'm not an expert but doesn't it sound like a bad idea to set them both to the same channel? Can anyone who's rather knowledgeable give an opinion on this?
Pretty much spot on, they'll alternate receiving/broadcasting so not not mess with each other's signal, effectively cutting up- and download speeds in half.
Alternatively they might not pay the good neighbor policy and you'll get heavy interference, reducing bandwidth even more.
All in all this video needs a bit more work, not the usual beacon of technical salvation we've come to expect from this channel.
But the second router needs to receive the first one so it can re-transmit it onwards.
They need to be on the same channel so they can talk to each other
i love the FLASH BACKS in there because there is nothing worse than 2 devices on the same network giving each other new IP addresses
"you can think of it like running an ethernet cable, but wirelessly"
Riley that's called regular wifi
Ditch IPv4, reject NAT.
Embrace IPv6, become monke.
It's good if we don't wanna spend extra money but they can be slow if the router is too old
Damn you finally made an original comment
@@hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-Mikel.Montalat *serious comment
Ftfy
@@zikzein What does "ftfy" mean?
Before he gets lots of likes JUST BECAUSE he's verifyed
@@hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-Mikel.Montalat Fixed that for you.
I did not know you could do this - this is jolly useful - thank you Riley 👍🏽
Don't throw them away just upgrade the software and you can use it as a graphic card.😂😂
Lol,u got almost everything right,except one big mistake,when you turn off DHCP on the secondary router you can use WAN port as LAN,just stick cable in it and it will work.
I'm offended by the "snaking a 100 ft ethernet cable through your house" comment.
I did even worse. I used two 50 foot cables and patched them togethor.
Or you could connect the primary router to the secondary router with a lan cable without cutting the speed in half. Disable dhcp and setup the ssid like how you normally setup it up in the primary router. Its called access point.
Hello to everyone watching this on the can