Saigon China Town | We wonder if the local can speak Chinese. The result is surprisingly comforting.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 มิ.ย. 2024
- Vietnam has a place that feels strangely familiar and yet foreign to me -Cho Lon China town in Saigon.
Vietnam was ruled by various Chinese dynasties for about 1000 years, and the French later named their newly colonised territory…Indochina.
As the name suggested, Vietnam as part of Indochina has a culture deeply influenced by both Hinduism and Chinese culture.
In this episode, we took a walk at Cho Lon China town. It has all the Chinese culture thingy that you would expect in a Chinatown. Chinese food, Chinese traders, and temples. But to our surprise, almost all the people converse in Vietnamese. So we can’t help to ask the question, do the Chinese descendent still speaks Chinese?
唐人街不在我们的旅行计划里
（说得我们有计划似的🙈）
是Calvin在火车上认识的🇻🇳朋友Hoang
推荐我们去的
依他的话 那应该会是我们觉得神奇的地方
很多华人会说中文
于是从芽庄搭7小时火车来到胡志明市
我计划回房间睡觉的早晨
Calvin把我拉到唐人街
拍他问人［会不会说中文］🥶
社牛的世界我不明白
但不得不说 堤岸唐人街很有惊喜
原因你们自己看影片哈
我去剪片啦 🎞️
#saigon #cholon #chinatown #hochiminhcity #vietnam
00:00 Introduction
00:22 Binh Tay Market
02:47 Tran Chanh Chieu Market
03:56 Cha Tam Church
04:59 Duong Tong Duy Tan
05:24 Finally!
06:41 Ming Ky and Lan Restaurant
08:51 Thien Hau Temple
10:22 Ha Ky dessert
I remember conversing with my family in cantonese in hanoi trying to find my parents old friend (who didnt leave because his father served in the military) an older gentlemen overheard us, and yes, he knew that family and directed us to his home. Quite serendipitous. Cantonese used to be more prevelant in vietnam, but so many of us left.
of course, so many Chinese left because vietnam discriminated Chinese people, confiscated Chinese assets, and didn't allow licenses to operate business in vietnam. The government told lies to Chinese people to register for going back to China in 1979. After Chinese people registered, the govt knew who were Chinese and then didn't give driver licenses to Chinese people who were truck drivers. Well, that is vietnam's loss.
@@hangmatchahang5260 lmao Vietnam was communist everyone lost they business ( it call nationalize nothing to do with Chinese ) reason why many Chinese left was because china invasion of Vietnam in 1979 , Chinese up north fleed back to the homeland while Chinese down south who able to own business during south Vietnam period now lost they business under the new unify communist Vietnam nothing to do with discrimination. Even in mainland china folk that own business pre 1949 lost they business after mao take over and turn china into communist
@@hangmatchahang5260 I've never heard of this. This happened in the late 1970s?
@@hangmatchahang5260 Vietnamese and Chinese are the same people , just different nationalities.
@@hangmatchahang5260 Same as In Thailand, all the Chinese have to change their names to Thai or get deported. As a result, many Chinese Thai picked really long Thai names and combined names together to symbolize wealth.
Love that there are so many people from Canton living over there 👍 Love listening to the Cantonese speaking it soothing and brings back childhood memories 🙂👍
Watching from 🇦🇺
Thank you for watching Luia 🙆🏼♀️
很有趣的影片，贤伉俪加油！！！ cảm ơn hai vợ chồng chia sẻ video!
cam on Xuemin 🙆🏼♀️
Thank you for the memories. I grew up there. Only the older generation can speak Mandarin and Cantonese now. The new generation can only speak Vietnamese.
Hey Ken Huynh. Thank you for the watching and the comment too. Are you currently living abroad?
Cũng giống người Kinh ở Trung Quốc, thế hệ mới ít người nói được tiếng Việt.
中國京族也是，只有老人能說越南話😅
So true. The new generation can only speak vietnamese because the government banned Chinese language teaching for long, no Chinese language as second language taught in schools. For the last few years, vietnam allows Chinese learning but mostly in university level, not high school level. The problem is most people learning Chinese are Vietnamese, not Chinese people in Vietnam.
@@hangmatchahang5260 That is not true, there is no ban, please do your research before commenting such absurd idea. There are Chinese-specialized classes in some exclusive high schools in Saigon (chuyên ngôn ngữ Trung). You only need to score high enough in Chinese and other subjects from secondary school to get in. I myself studied with classmates from that class in Le Hong Phong high school and they are of Chinese origin.
@@hangmatchahang5260 this is wrong. Mandarin is one of the official languages that middle and high school students can choose to study in Vietnam. The other options include English, French, German, Russia, Korean and Japanese.
Fabulous! Well done guys
Thank you CK 🙆🏼♀️
很好的影片，让我们见识到了越南胡志明市的华人，我也是广东人
谢谢 PC 🙆🏼♀️
欢迎来到我们越南。我们越南还有农村地方很多广东人，客家人。特别是我家的地方
谢谢Tran Tiensinh. 可以分享一下还有那一些华人农村值得一探吗？有机会我们再去看看。😊
谢谢你的分享。离胡志明市50KM 的同奈省。有华人农村。💪💪 电话号码我们记下了。但是你的电话号码我们就先删了。免得你收到诈骗电话。😅
@@calvinandmint Binh Thuan province as well
Thank you Minh Duc Huynh 🙆🏼♀️ we already noted it down
@@calvinandmint Di Linh,Vũng Tàu,都有華僑
Thank you sharing different culture for us!
Hello @wonderland. Thank you for watching too! Vietnam is very rich in culture and history. And it is very diverse too. Hope you enjoy the video.😊
這裡是第五區，我家也在這裡附近。其實胡志明的唐人街包括第五區，第六區，十一區的一部分。大多數老人家都會說廣東話但不會國語，反而年輕人現在很少用廣東話，他們都去學了國語。
現在我也剛開始做TH-cam，上次也有去 Malaysia，Penang，遇到很多那邊的華人，真的很高興.
Subscribe你们的TH-cam Channel了，一起加油⛽️话说，你们在Cholon 吃好多东西呀 如果早点看到就好了，可以跟你们的推荐去找美食 🤤
@@calvinandmint 😁下次吧！有機會再來到cholon我帶你們去找美食。
🙆🏼♀️ 🙆🏼♂️ 有机会一定再去
kenhcua...好長，唔記得晒
唔該晒😊 等陣會睇睇你介紹西貢嘅片。希望你拍多啲西貢廣東人區嘅片😉 我一定會幫襯嘅！
You can find the tea egg in ipoh, especially those older kopitiams in oldtown that open in the morning :D thanks for the vid
Thank you for watching 🙆🏼♀️ will definitely go hunt for the tea egg next time when we are visiting Ipoh.
So much as this is a Malaysian TH-camr ~ the switching from Mandarin to Cantonese to English ~ very similar to Singapore. 👏 👏 👏
Yeah…we are neighbour, and we proudly share our “rojak” language 🤭
Hello. I'm a new friend here from Singapore. I really enjoy watching the trip. Thanks for sharing with us. Have a nice day. 👍🔔
hey Sairin, thank you for the comment. It made our day.😍
I used to live and grow up here and then immigrated to the US for decades now. Somehow your video pops into my feed and now watching it directly from Silicon Valley. You remind me about my ex-home. I used to study Chinese next to the temple in the video, not sure if the school still exist there anymore. Time flies!
Thank you for watching Mr Smile Gaming 🙆 we are not sure if the school is still there, because we were too busy looking for direction hahaha 🙈 Vietnam has changed so much in recent years, perhaps stop by when you come to Asia.
Yes, the school is still there for sure. Its name is 麥劍雄.
Thank you for sharing the info Louis 🙆
@@louisdo2203 Yep thank you! That is the one!
四海一家！Thank you for sharing the video. I have been to Singapore & Malaysia twice, and once each to Vietnam & Cambodia. Always feel the 血濃於水bond when I meet a local ethic Chinese. As a Chinese-American, we are all 龍的傳人😊
Totally agree ✌🏻
被洗腦 。仲唱乜乜龍人，血濃水。 被中共利用都唔識醒
there's no such thing called "Ethnic Chinese", Chinese is not ethnicity 😂
很不错的视频， pretty good! 点赞！
谢谢 Moris 🙆
In Saigon so beautiful temples v nice n well kept nowadays everywhere seems improving ❤😮😊
Indeed 🇻🇳😊
Awesome ❤❤🎉 video guys
Awww…your comment just made our day, thank you so much for watching ♥️
謝謝你的video, 我都是越南胡志明市華僑。現在台灣留學，看到你的video時，我很想回去越南玩。
謝謝你的留言 🙆🏼♀️ 放假就可以回去🇻🇳玩啦。話說，我們今天才從台北回到馬來西亞呢。
其实很多人搞错了。华侨是指定居国外、持有中国籍的群体。对于祖籍来自中国、但出生国外、持国外国籍的群体，那是华裔，不是华侨。所以朋友你是华裔，不是华侨。1955年以前，你们祖先虽生活在越南，可仍持中国籍，所以确实是华侨。现在越南也很多中国籍的生活，他们才是华侨。如果中国政府国外撤侨，撤的就是有中国籍的。华侨必须持有中国籍，就像法侨持法国籍、日侨持日本籍
很懷念的地方&市場,幾乎每周都會過去(以前住過胡志明市的台灣人)!
可以回去走走呀 🇻🇳一直在改变
Cholon has always been a vibrant Chinatown in Saigon before during and after the war
Happy to see Saigon’s China town is emerging back, most people thought that ethnic Chinese and China town in VN is gone (while thriving in south east Asia especially Malaysia and Singapore). How ever, there will be never like the old golden era (before 1975)
Nỗi trên internet sao ? Khi chợ lớn có chút ét Q5, Q6, một phần nhỏ Q11. Trong khi người Việt sống kinh doanh xen kẽ với người Hoa trong chợ lớn.
Người Hoa phần lớn 70 % đã di cư sang các nước phương Tây kế từ sau năm 1975.
KFC's , McDonalds , would do well in China than in Vietnam ...because even if Viets become more affluent , They still prefer "Chopsticks "
@@dhdad.4383 ko hẵn người Hoa sau 75 dặc biệt say chiến tranh biên giới đã quay về TQ 1 phần sang lánh nạn ở Thái Malay Singapore phần lớn chứ ko sang Mỹ
@@deafea4867 qua tàu là ngoài bắc bị nó dụ về , sau mới vỡ mộng ( một về lâm trường hai là về vùng quê xa lạ , chứ không được đến mấy thành phố hoặc quê hương như được hứa) còn dân hoa miền nam như dân việt vượt biên sau nó qua mỹ hoặc âu chứ ko ở lại mấy nước mã , Phil , Indo . Có ít dân hoa qua Hongkong thì ở lại hoặc qua đài nhưng ít với số qua mỹ với âu
It feels like Vietnam and Indonesia were always the most hostile to Chinese either because of geography or culture and both have slowly reemerged but may again be threatened by geo-politics with China.
I love the scene where you were finally able to converse in cantonese with the calligrapher!
Thanks for watching! We were excited to have found him too😄
@@calvinandmint Before 1979, it was not called "Chinatown". It was called 堤岸區 that was a huge Chinese community with Chinese population in millions, many Chinese schools, Chinese hospitals, Chinese factories, Chinese temples, Chinese cultural events, everything Chinese speaking in Chinese language. Local Chinese residents didn't need to speak vietnamese at all for entire life and still could survive. After 1975, Chinese were discriminated, their assets, businesses, factories were confiscated, Chinese cultural activities were discouraged. All for the purpose of getting rid of Chinese people and reducing Chinese people's control of the economy. So in 1979 border skirmish with its neighbouring country China, the government told lies to tell Chinese people register to go back to China. Chinese language was not allowed to teach in the country. In fact, the government wanted to know who were Chinese people. Once they registered, not only Chinese people could not go back to China (because there was no such program from China), Chinese people could not get licenses to operate businesses. This kind of discrimination lasted to new millennium 21st until recent time. In the last 10 years, because vietnam wants to polish its image as friendly nation, and wants to promote tourism, vietnam starts to allow Chinese language, and for the last 2-3 years, they encourage people to learn Chinese language. Then vietnam also allows Chinese cultural activities again to attract tourists. However, most Chinese cultural events have more Vietnamese than Chinese people participate.
Now, many Vietnam people are divided between the loss of Chinese people and the win of getting rid of Chinese people in the country. Some said after many Chinese left, Vietnam loses more than wins after they compare with Chinese in Singapore, in Malaysia, and in Thailand.
@@hangmatchahang5260 Yes, you are largely correct. Shortly after the border war with China, ethnic Chinese people are allowed/encouraged to leave for China. The majority of those living in northern Vietnam such as Hanoi, Hai Phong did cross the border to China. Some escaped to Hong Kong and became refugees the so-called "boat people". Those in the south of Vietnam can leave on boat legally after paying a "fee" in gold. The initial waves of "boat people" leaving Vietnam and heading out to sea was largely ethnic Chinese. I was one of them. Some of my school mates in Melbourne were ethnic Chinese. Some can speak and read and write Vietnamese fluently. Some can barely hold a conversation in Vietnamese. One guy who was in his late teen although born and grew up in Vietnam (probably around the area that are now called Chinatown) can hardly speak Vietnamese at all. There were a lot of prominent Vietnamese who were actually ethnic Chinese. These days if you go to "Chinatown" in Saigon there is probably less ethnic Chinese there than in the Mekong delta. A lot of those ethnic Chinese in Saigon today are probably newcomers, ie. they came after 1975.
@daviddoan, Thank you for sharing your personal story here. We cannot imagine what have "boat people" went thru during that time, it must have been a traumatic journey for you and your families. We are so sorry to hear this, but we wish you a happy life in Melbourne now and let's make a better tomorrow where peace can be everlasting.
Have you considered why the Vietnamese expelled the Chinese? Imagine the Chinese coming to Japan and doing the same: closing off their entire community while hoarding the wealth and bringing millions more of their kind over. It is a good thing the Vietnamese did what they did, otherwise they would’ve been closer to Thailand or the Philippines where Chinese control their entire economy! Good for the Vietnamese
I love your Malaysian accent Mandarin! Also next just converse in really loud Cantonese and any 華人 will come out and ask if you need help. The community is much smaller now so they're always happy to canto. The Cantonese in Vietnamese has an interesting accent
Thank you for the comment, next time we know what to do 😊
As a Malaysian I duno why you become so excited having to announce you met a Vietnamese who speak Cantonese too. No big deal la, seriously..
@@goodputin4324 it kinda is. I think find commonalities among people creates bond
To some it might be their first time
thank you. watching from 🇻🇳
Thank you for watching Andy 🙆🏼♀️
@@calvinandmint thk calvin. i also love malay
订阅你们了，加油！
謝謝 BC Wong，我們會加油的 🙆🏼♀️
平西街市,聖心教堂,大光明巷,水兵街以前都是講廣東話的地方,現在水兵街現叫陳興道街還有說廣東話的人,粉麵和糖水,算是早餐零食,還未吃到堤岸區華人們的中餐呢!
謝謝Lucky Biby 🙆🏼♀️ 我們那天從Nha Trang坐完7小時火車回胡志明市直奔唐人街，有點🥱所以沒呆很久。下次想再回去堤岸慢慢走，你有好吃的中餐介紹嗎 🤤
@冬岭修竹 跟廣東人做生意一定要懂廣府話，正如跟潮州人做生意要用潮州話溝通
台灣人（台獨污染份子）只要觸及有關中國的大小事立即如打了雞血般血氣沸騰起來！越南華人大都流行講廣東話為主，即使閣下是潮州人、福建人、客家人、海南人或是上海人，大家都習慣用廣東話交談，這根本與什麼大廣府沙文主義風牛馬不相及。台灣人什麼都喜歡用政治意識型態看事情，他們恨死了中國人（因為害怕中國和平統一），又不敢跟中國人打仗，唯有去做洋奴漢奸走🐶當洋人的棋子，期望藉此拖垮中國？？？
越南華人在越南落地生根自然懂得以越南話跟越南人溝通，台灣人根本分別不出來越南華人和越南人，但越南當地人他們自己只要一眼便認出對方是不是鄉親。還有，當華人自己鄉親見面時自自然然用家鄉話交談。
越南華人只要讀過點書都會講普通話（或稱國語），流利與否就另作別論。某些人誹謗稱：越南華人只會講廣東話不會講普通話根本就是扯蛋！
越南華人的我們當然會說流利的中文，不但能說，讀寫能力也有很高的水平，由於得到先輩的嚴謹訓導，也保存了中國人的傳統美德。
🙆
越南华人没跑路去美国吗？
😂
在那边的华人虽然已经融入当地的社会 但还是保持会说会写原祖籍地的语言也好呀
👍👍👍我地既细路、叫佢讲佢都吾肯讲😢
Beside Cantonese, there are Teochew people in Saigon, Bac Lieu region, and Soc Trang. I believe there are Teochew in Malaysia and Singapore.
Thank you for sharing tr1bes. Yes, many Teochew in Malaysia, including Calvin 😊
UP主很有耐心，赞一个，视频好看，FROM中国大陆
谢谢你喜欢 🙆🏼♀️
Thanks!
Thanks for watching 🙆🏼♀️
🥺🥺🥺 thank you for the super thanks
most vietnamese chinese in CHO LON/chinatown speaking cantonese like myself & cho lon is not as big or crowded like in 1975 which when i left vn as well...
definitely~no more the old days
Nice.Thankyou
Thank you for watching 🙆🏼♀️
I really want to visit Vietnam. I grew up with many Chinese from Vietnam. Many were very well educated. One of my friend speaks Vietnamese, Cantonese, Mandarin, French, and of course English. They are usually very friendly to fellow Chinese Countrymen. I also have many Vietnamese friends in US many learned to speak Chinese. They are very hard working and also very family oriented.
Hello Major Calvary. I think Vietnam is progressing very fast. Do visit when u have the time. Is quite convenient to
Move around and the food is great.😋
Binh Tay Market没有空调，但里面却出乎意料的凉快。附近的区域有蛮多店，但中午很热，整个局域似乎只有一间可以避暑的Circle-K便利店。
谢谢金城武留言 😆
Around 1975 to 1976, I stayed beside the small Viet refugee camp at Kuantan Red Cross Center. I was surprised to find all of them speaking the same type of local Cantonese and then realized they were Chinese. At night, they easily slipped out of the center and roamed around town like they were locals. Some asked me to help them buy cigarettes and food
Oh I didn’t even know there is Vietnamese in Kuantan. 😅 thanks for sharing.
You asked the wrong people. The street vendors are not from cho lon, most of them are from else where (central of north). they come to the city to try to make a new life, they dont speak cantonese. You have to ask store owners (stores that have signs display in chinese), most if not all of them are of chinese descendents and most speak cantonese.
Ahhhh…make sense, but we didn’t think a lot at the time, just wandering and then go straight and asked random people 😅 now that you mentioned, we actually saw quite some Chinese shops along the way, it just didn’t cross our mind to go in and ask, silly us 😅
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Thank you for watching and subscribing 🙆🏼♀️
我以前住在第五郡。你参观的庙宇对面， 后面一条街全部都是法国制造的洋房， 很漂亮。谢谢你们到越南来。现在住在纽约。
谢谢分享，希望下次有机会回去再去参观那条法国洋房街 😊
wonderful so nice
Thanks Ng Amin!
Most of People in Saigon Chinatown came from after the events of Ming Dynasty collapse. They came to to Vietnam and Vietnam emperor at that time (Nguyen dynasty) allow them to live in Cholon (saigon china town) and Bien Hoa, My Tho
Hello Kênh Dã Tẩu, thank you for sharing. :)
@@calvinandmint Thanks, they are not live here from 1000 years ago. At that time, this land belongs to cambodia
Thanks for the info Kenh;)
Enjoyable Video… Chinese-Cantones.. in Vietnam…
Thanks for watching 😊
You couple speak Mandarin and Cantonese is rather fluent for a Malaysian, the pronunciation is so cute.
Hey Roger. In Malaysia we speak “Rojak”. We can have one sentence with 4 languages.🤣 a quick example is. “Wei Macha, you want Makan here or Tapau.”
Macha- Brother in Indian
Makan- Eat in Malay
Tapau- take away in Cantonese
That being said. Our pronunciation can be cute sometimes.🤣
*Rojak is one popular dish in Malaysia. Variety of Malaysian fruits toss and mixed with prawn paste, prawn crackers and load of crushed peanuts. 🤤
Click here for the Rojak visuals. (Scroll to 5.02 minutes)
th-cam.com/video/sbl10tIguSU/w-d-xo.html
Her mandarin has a heavy Malaysian accent. Cute? Maybe not so much. 😢
@@thomashom7514 🍋
Hi Thomas, it takes all to make up the world.
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我都係上個月去完西貢第五郡😊好多粵人後代
5:43
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我在2018年到西貢唐人街, 都未能遇上一個曉講廣府話嘅人, 除咗喺一間中式酒家遇上一個年輕侍應會講一啲中文。
我们也是在火车上认识一位当地朋友，他告诉我们唐人街有很多人会说中文，我们才决定去问问看。
如果不问的话，他们应该不说中文，而是说🇻🇳话。就跟我们在马来西亚，遇见外国人会说英文，而不是中文一样哈哈。很有趣。
come to Singkawang, West Kalimantan, Indonesia, where Chinese food and culture are still intact, Hakka language is still commonly used besides Malay and Indonesian
Nice! Thanks for the recommendation.🙌🙌
@@calvinandmint th-cam.com/video/tR-PSwc168o/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for sharing Borneo Man. That looks so interesting, we need to look for air ticket now ✈️
I had some years in the town🎉
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小妹，妳吃的那碗糖水，名叫桑寄生蛋茶，是廣東地區的一種傳統的甜品，在香港，一般是有加入蓮子一起煮，名為桑寄生蓮子蛋茶。
桑寄生是一種樹的葉子，曬乾可作中藥材，功效是補肝腎，祛風濕，通經絡，強筋骨。
將桑寄生加水煮成茶，再放入煮熟的雞蛋和蓮子，再糖，就成了。
希望你們年輕人多點認識中國傳統飲食文化。
谢谢 @Shing Chiu Truong 让我们今天又学到新知识啦 🙆🏼♀️ 我们在马来西亚真的很少见到这一道甜品，下次有机会去香港也会特别注意 ，找来尝尝看看跟🇻🇳的桑寄生蛋茶味道会不会不一样。
@@calvinandmint 我以為馬來西亞很多廣東文化, 你們是福建人？難怪怪桑寄生也不知道。
@@JL-oi8di No, Singapore would have stronger Chinese "traditions", compared to Malaysia.
Cholon was a predominantly Cantonese speaking area. Hoi An used to be Hokkien speaking area.
Oh wow. Thanks for the info. I hope we get to revisit Hoi An. It is a beautiful old town. ☺️
@@calvinandmint Hoi An architecture looks almost like the old Chinese houses in Jonker Walk Melaka.
The vibes are similar, but Hoi An has more to offer we must say 🙊 we been there a few years ago, and we really missed Banh Mi Phuong 🤤
The Mekong Delta especially Soc Trang city is predominantly Teochew speaking
Yes, this is fact.
我家祖籍廣東梅縣，屬客家人，移民後已經不會說客家話了，但我能說華語，廣東話，英語，越南語。
曉得四種語言真係好了得。我爸係潮州人，阿媽客家人。但係我兩種都唔識講。淨係識多少廣東話。廣東話真係用處好廣🤣 多謝TVB。😂
Người khách gia thì cố mà học lại tiếng khách gia.
Hi thanks for visiting Vietnam and the really nice video. Though one BIG DETAIL to not miss out is China conquered Northern Vietnam, and the Chinese population in the South is the result of an immigration wave from China when a dynasty in China collapsed.
Thank you for watching and commenting Cecelia. We learned so much about Vietnam history during our travel and even after we came back and posted our travel video, but yet, so much more to learn 🙆
While Vietnam has been ruled by various Chinese dynasties for about 1000 years, most of the Chinese migrants in the ancient time (until the Tang dynasty) were too assimilated into the Vietnamese population and after hundreds of generations of intermarriage, they don't exist as a separate group anymore.
The next large wave of migration to Vietnam was towards the end of the Ming dynasty when the Ming dynasty were overthrown by the Qing dynasty (1600s). These people settled in South Vietnam and intermarried and became known as the Minh Hương (明香, but subsequently renamed to 明鄉). They retained some Chinese customs, but nowadays mostly speak Vietnamese. These are the "Peranakans" of Vietnam.
The last large wave of migration was towards the end of the Qing dynasty, when people fled the Japanese occupation and the subsequent civil wars. These relatively new migrants are those that still speak Chinese and still have many relatives back in China, as well as a strong connection to China. At the of the VN war (1975), as relations between Vietnam and China worsened, a large majority of them fled Vietnam to go back to China, or to other countries.
The people you met who still speak Chinese are mostly descendents of people who have migrated to Vietnam in the last 100+ years.
Hey @Ryan Phung. Thank you for sharing this insightful summaries of Vietnamese Chinese history. I see you have a good understanding of peranakan culture too. You spend some time staying in Malaysia and Singapore too?
@@calvinandmint thank you. I had to look up Wikipedia to fill in some gaps 😅 Yes, I’m in Singapore and have spent some time in Malaysia. Peranakan culture is fascinating. Nice video by the way, enjoy your traveling!
😂we look up Wikipedia quite a few times too after reading all the comments here. But the information can be overloaded. Is great to have someone simplify them for us. So thank you again Ryan!🙌🙌
Saying Vietnam had been ruled by China for 1000+ years is actually coming from the Vietnamese nationalism textbook which is being promoted by the current Vietnamese government, where the source came from the 13th historical book written by a Vietnamese scholar after Vietnam had successfully pushed the Ming out of the country. Historically speaking after the collapse of the Tang dynasty Vietnam was a part of Southern Han. There was a power struggle among Southern Han elites, a high-ranking Southern Han general revolted and found an independent country, after he passed away, the country split into 12 factions. Then one faction was able to come out on top of the others. That was when the real Vietnam political entity was established. The history before that was just a bunch of kingdoms during the China middle fighting each other for domination, Vietnam was a small part of the conflicts with very little historical text except for when the prince of Shu fled to the South and established his kingdom, later was conquered by a Qin general. After the Qin collapse, the general established his empire and declare himself as emperor years before the Han dynasty was founded. I can go on about Vietnamese history. I could only say 1000+ under Chinese rule you could only find it in Vietnamese text book. the Ming Chinese, Yuan Mongol, and Manchu at their peak of military strength could not last for more than 10 years in Vietnam, dont' you find it is odd, a Chinese dynasty that could rule Vietnam for 1000 years? Only if the Viet did not put any resistance and that is hardly the case for the Vietnamese, even the Vietnamese dynasties, none could last more than 300 years. I could only guess the Vietnam back then during the Chinese domination was hardly had any significant population or considered a thriving city to begin with.
Hey thank you @ForwardThinking. Vietnam is so rich with history. We are still learning as we go. Thank you for summarising a short version for us. I believe other interested viewers will find it informative too. Thanks Again ;)🙌💪🙆🏻♂️🙆🏻♀️
The majority of Chinese people in Cho Lon area are Cantonese, but in the lower part of the West such as Soc Trang, Bac Lieu, Can Tho and Ca Mau provinces, etc.. Most of the Chinese there are Teochew, and going back from Saigon to Dong Nai province, the Chinese there are mostly Hakka, so there are many Chinese in South Vietnam, not less. 😊
Thank you for sharing Khanh Huynh, we are planning to go Can Tho next time, to see Mekong River, may be we can try finding the TeoChew people there (but we speak very broken TeoChew) 😆
@@calvinandmint I’m Teochew but my Teochew language is not good well 😅 I’m only know Mandarin and Cantonese at well 😅😅
Same hahaha 😅
love from Indonesia
Thank you for watching ❤
After the fall of Saigon which marked the end of the Vietnam war, lots of refugees fled Vietnam. It was estimated that more than 3 million Indo-Chinese people took the dangerouse journey to escape persecution and hardship from the new communist regime. All told about 250,000 perished at sea and some die in the refugee camps. About 2.5 million refugees were resettled mainly in the U.S., Australia, Canada and Europe. Refugees consisted of different group of people which include Vietnamese, Cambodian, Loatian, Hmong and majority are Vietnamese Chinese who have lived in the country for over 1000 of years. I am glad there are still remnants of Chinese Vietnamese who are unable to escape and are still thriving in Vietnam. Cholon was once a thriving Chinatown which was much bigger than any in South East Asia. In her heyday, Cholon was considered the richest Chinatown in the world.
thanks for sharing. We truly learn a lot more in the comment thread. It make me curious to dig deeper after reading some of yours comment. Hopefully the world will be more peaceful and beautiful.❤️✌️
I think the actor, Ke Huy Quan, who recently won an Oscar, is one of those ethnic Chinese who fled Vietnam as a refugee.
Everything Everywhere all at once😍
@@calvinandmintanh bạn trên nói không đúng sự thật
@@dhdad.4383 Agree ! Chinese living in Vietnam who do not speak Chinese anymore they are Vietnamese.
Even though the older generation might still speak some Chinese /
Among those millions of refugees ( Only a minority might still be able to speak Chinese . And when they travel to Asia ... Still travel to Vietnam more than to Hong Kong ,Singapore, Taiwan or mainland China that their ancestors left a long time ago )
2:37 the old man actually asked the passing youth: "Muoi, do you understand Cantonese?"
谜底终于解开了🤣。 谢谢🙌
I had my uncle lived there. He is overseas Chinese but he passed away for a long time.
Sorry to hear Somwang Phulsombat.
Should make a Cantonese vlog. Hahaha!
🤣🤣I realised they speak better Cantonese than me. So better not 献丑😂
Besides District 5 with many Cantonese speakers, there are still more of them in Southwestern provinces in Vietnam. Most of them are descendants of Ming immigrants came to south Vietnam after the collapsing of Ming Empire.
To north Vietnam, this is more complicated. You can know when Vietnam (Jiaozhi) was still a province of Chinese dynasties, many Han-Tang officials and people came and lived here, they also created and expanded their families.
This was more stronger after Gao Bian defeated Nanchao army and Annan became Jinghai-jun. The population decline and much more people from Zhongyuan migrated to Annan, especially from Minnan and Fujian. That is the underlying cause for the power of Jinghai-jun to become the independent kingdom.
If you study more, you can found that many of Vietnamese dynasties have Han-Tang ancestors.
Thank you for sharing Bien Nhat Minh 🙆🏼♀️
到胡志明市最常去的地方，就是視頻中的天后宮，裡面有很多年代久遠的物品，很珍貴。
真的 好多细节值得慢慢欣赏
我去五郡，基本上飲茶，去街市，藥房都講廣東話
睇哩廣東話真係好重要。🤣
I like your video
I like the way you write
Saigon China town
Not Ho Chi Minh China town
We learn from our Ho Chi Minh City free walking tour’s guide that, the name Saigon is still being use by the locals. So we thought Saigon is a better name for the Historic China Town in Cho Lon.
There is no Hanoi 's China town ?
他们粤语说得很好. Unlike me whose cantonese, but doesn't understand some. I do know much about chinese characteristics. I also don't speak mandarin. Although my cantonese is improving but i never had a conversation in cantonese. Do not misunderstood i use google translate. Did i heard someone mention 司徒?? 司徒 is a last name southeast china especially in Kaiping, also my surname, wow my classmate always says that im Japanese or Korea, but i'm actually not lol. Beautiful! Saigon, wish i could visit vietnam later on in life.
Saigon is indeed beautiful, historical and culturally rich. We enjoy our trip here very much.
Thank you for watching @mochi😊😍
@@calvinandmint I love the way both of you speak..
@@NightcoreArtistry thank you for your kind words Mochi 🥺 we might have some Malaysian accent as some of the comments pointed out, but we are who we are and we are proud to be a Malaysian.
司徒是中国很古老的一个姓，来自于官名，姓这个姓的说明祖上是当官的，中国有很多复姓，比如：诸葛 欧阳 长孙 公孙 司徒 司马 慕容 耶律 等等等等。日本的老百姓拥有姓不过两百年历史，他们以前只有贵族才有姓。中国的老百姓拥有姓氏都几千年了。
Oversea Chinese community are all descendants of Cantonese. Very brave people! They risk their life looking for business opportunity and promises in new land. Hats off to people of Canton!!!
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果个穗城应该就系意指广州嘅意思吧。因为穗系广州嘅称呼。。而且庙上面果D浮雕就系好出名好有历史嘅广雕..🙂
多謝你嘅分享。又學到新嘢！😊
这个街道和市场真的好像我们潮汕那边的感觉啊😂😂❤
我有一些远亲就在胡志明住 是当地华人
歡迎來到胡志明（西貢）.除了胡志明廣東人。其他省（同奈省的和邊市，定貫縣,同一縣，隆慶市）都是廣東廣西白話、客家涯話的後代唐人
謝謝分享 🙆🏼♀️
I found your videos very informative but for me because mandarin is not my mother tongue it was very hard to understand and hear because the background music was too loud.
We will find a way to improve, thank you very much for letting us know 😊 and meanwhile, you can also try switch on the English subtitle, hope it helps.
I reviewed it a 2nd time after your comments. No issue and it is being done naturally.
Greetings from indeginous Khmer in Prey Nokor Sài Gòn city, best wish to you all!
Thank you Khmer Guide 🙆🏼♀️
Pry cò no 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Thành Phố Hồ Chí Minh Việt Nam 🇻🇳
Ada Hermes Birkins bag tak?? Macam kak rosmah carry punya...hahaha..
Not entirely sure. Let us know if you found one 🤣
我都笑一吓，哈哈哈!雞疍茶即是桑寄生蛋荼，廣州糖水一種。桑寄生即是桑樹的樹枝。
🤣🤣见笑了，是我们孤陋寡闻😆。马来西亚不常见到桑寄生蛋茶。马来西亚有的多数是茶叶蛋。药材味偏重那种。谢谢你们的分享，我们现在认识蛋茶了😊。
我只是說說笑笑，你俩這樣大方包容真是好人一個，在這裡講聲Sorry!
🤣🤣🤣不会不会。君言重了。谢谢你的分享。😆
不是桑枝,桑寄生不一定寄生在桑树上,在别的树上也可寄生
@@thimchoonkwan1444 多谢糾正，以前都是聽長輩論述，原來係咁!明白了。
鸡蛋茶以前在pudu 的路边摊有吃过。
我们回来到现在，已经半年，还没在马来西亚见到蛋茶呢 😅
@@calvinandmint 你晚上去pudu 的为食街附近问下。路边摊晚上开在店kaki lima专卖糖水的，有茶蛋，算古早味的一种糖水。很少人卖。
谢谢，我们找天去Pudu找找 🤤
@@calvinandmint 可是不要有太大希望，因为我上一次吃是十多年前的事情。已经不懂aunty 还有没有在卖了。可以问附近的老板可能会有头绪。
十多年前😅没事，没有的话，我看到有人留言说，怡保很多咖啡店还有，哈哈哈。真的很好奇马来西亚的是不是也是一样的味道🧐
那个庙宇感觉更接近潮汕和闽南风格，广府地区比较淡雅些
原来庙宇还有分地区风格呀，下次我们可以注意看看，研究研究🧐
确实，对于我们蜀地人来说广府风格都有一点点鲜艳，闽南风格更是鲜艳得有点刺眼了。
🤣
Quận 5 rất nhiều người Quảng
感谢您来到我们的越南❤️
谢谢 😊 我们很喜欢西贡呢 会再回去旅行的 ✈️
Before China's rise, ethnic Chinese in Vietnam, Malaysia and Indonesia were discriminated against in varying degree. Indonesia was the worst; ethnic Chinese were forced to adopt Indonesian names and their cultural activities were effectively banned in public.
Let the past be a lesson. Looking forward to a prosperous future.✌️
If you had read the history why some German they so hate lived in Germany's Jews before ww2 , then you should understand why the Indonesian is so hate and Jealous the Indonesia Chinese , of course the Indonesian is uncivilized race at that time , that is the 2nd reason .
KFC's , McDonalds , would do well in China than Vietnam ...because even if Viets become more affluent , They still prefer "Chopsticks "
This is fact. I totally agree. To this day, vietnam still discriminate Chinese although they don't speak it out loud. Until last few years, Chinese language and cultural activities were also effectively banned in vietnam. Now vietnam allows and encourage Chinese cultural activities and language because they want to abolish the country's image and to promote tourism and foreign investments after seeing how vibrant China town is and how Chinatown attracts so many tourists from all over the world in Thailand, Singapore, and Malayia.
Outside of China, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan. Malaysia is the only country in Asia that still preserved the Chinese language, Chinese dialect. Malaysia government still allows Chinese school to be opened in Malaysia. Even now many non-chinese ethnic such as Malay and India are learning Chinese language due to knowing an additional language will be good when they come out to work.
You guys are in SG China town. A lot of things and food are very Chinese.
😊
25年前去越南胡志明市商店家大部份都會說中文
可以再回去，那里改变很多很多。😊
Sai lầm phải là 40 năm trước, trước khi người Hoa di cư.
Nhưng mà cũng khu chợ Lớn chứ không phải là toàn bộ Sài Gòn.
Many Cantonese in vietnam, many Teochews in Thailand
Interesting observation @kohweiming.☺️
西贡改名称胡志明。汉城改名称为首尔。首尔有中国朝鲜族街。他们讲东北口音的汉语。仁川也有唐人街。居民来自山东的华侨比较多。
谢谢留言 お節介じい 我们还没去过首尔和仁川呢，有机会再去那里的唐人街走走 ✈️
韩国的老华侨是持中华民国籍的，那确实是华侨，新华侨多数是1992年后中国大陆过去、持中华人民共和国国籍的。越南这些就不是华侨了，都入籍越南了，只能是华裔，在越南是54个民族之一的华族
Is it binh thant market the first intro scene.
Hey Daren, it’s a different market, called Binh Tay Market at Cho Lon
We went to Ben Thanh Market on EP2 when we joined the free walking tour th-cam.com/video/qeMnNNgkb0A/w-d-xo.html 🚶🚶♀️
5:20 粵語萬歲，哈哈哈。請問西貢邊條街，我都打算暑假去。
地圖搜尋：Chợ Lớn？
就係Chợ Lớn。都真係幾多廣東人。預祝你署假快樂。😊
@@calvinandmint 哈哈哈，all right😊西貢治安點，聽講會有被搶手機風險。
很多人告訴我們很危險 ⚠️ 所以我們也不敢在路上拿手機，找路都是提前用Map找好連到Apple Watch導航，所以沒事。去哪裡都一樣，都是警惕點，安全吧 🙃
It’s not cheap compare to M’Sia noodles soup! $19 ringgit!
Hello @peterchen952. Oh it is actually for two bowls of noodles. Which I think in a City like HoChiMinh is reasonable. But I agree with you. We initially thought Vietnamese street food is cheaper compared to Malaysia. Perhaps there is cheap and good eats hidden somewhere. we just didn’t explore HCMC enough yet.😂.
Most of Vietnamese culture aspects don't have much Hindunism influences or completely none. Only Vietnamese ethnic minorities like the Khmer or the Champa have Hindunism influences. Our historical textbook only mentions about the Chinese influences due to 1000 years Chinese rulling. If you visit Hindunism sites in Vietnam, they are from the old Champa kingdom. If you visit Buddhist temples like Thailand in Vietnam, they probably builted by the overseas Thai or the Khmer ethnic.
Thank you for sharing the info Kelly 🙆🏼♀️ we visited the Po Nagar Temple in Nha Trang, it’s very interesting, we spent half day there 😊
Well now you know that there are many Vietnamese in Vietnam are Cantonese descent including me. There are lot of Cantonese descent in North Vietnam than South Vietnam. North Vietnam were once part of Nanyue Empire and later called Dai Viet in 938 AD after they broke away from China. And South Vietnam were called Champa Empire. Dai Viet conquer Champa Empire in 1471. Cantonese people's have been migrate to Vietnam since 938 AD and they still continue to migrate to Vietnam even the present day.
Thank you Binh Le for the crash course on Vietnamese history. Vietnam is a beautiful country with so much to explore. Especially the history and culture, it is unique to Vietnam.
North Vietnam is bordering with Guangxi so not surprise have many Cantonese descent.
Xuyên tạc vừa phải thôi ? Biết về Nam Việt, mà dám nói Đại Việt ly khai khỏi TQ ?
Phải nói là người Việt chỉ giành độc lập được phần bắc bộ, một phần người Việt ở các vùng quảng đông quảng tây di cư về bắc bộ lập nên Đại Việt.
Còn Vùng quảng đông thì hán hoá.
KFC's , McDonalds , would do well in China than Vietnam ...because even if Viets become more affluent , They still prefer "Chopsticks "
@@Utube1024 Guangxi, Guangdong, Hainan Island, Hong Kong, Fujian, Northern and Central Vietnam were all once parts of the Nanyue Empire. This why there are so many Cantonese descent in North Vietnam
Can I have the address of the Thien Hau Temple ? Thank you
maps.app.goo.gl/Efb9oTvYSit5VYpQ7?g_st=ic this should be the one;)
看來是桑寄生蛋茶，廣東一帶比較流行
谢谢分享Jone。我们现在知道了 😊
2:52 the price is actually for 1/2 kg. It's a well known scam in Vietnam where they write a tiny 1/2 or /2 in the corner to make the prices seem more attractive.
Oh wow! We didn’t notice that at all. Thanks for pointing out. 🤣
Tui rất yêu người trung quốc o vietnam
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Họ là dân tộc hoa của VN, mang quốc tịch VN, Không phải người Trung Quốc,
@@zibingfang5573 họ nói tiếng hongkong
謝謝, 我也是華人在越南
谢谢观看 Louis 😊
谢谢观看😋
@@calvinandmint 沒事 =)
You should've put Phú Quốc island as your next destination. You won't be disappointment
Thanks Binh Le. We will consider it the next time we visit Vietnam. Thanks for the recommendation 😋
Thanks about your love to our country. But please don’t believe in his idea. I think Phú Quốc not a nice place for your style.
Jimmy Nguyen 😆...Thank you for watching. Do you have any suggestion where we can go next? we are trying to do some planning now, while we are staying home 🙂
@@calvinandmint Hey I just discovered your channel and absolutely love the vibe. Have you been to the mountainous northern regions of Vietnam? They have just magnificent landscapes and the people there learn languages very quickly, they can converse in nearly any language I can think of
Thank you Kim Hoa! Hope you enjoy the videos. We’ve been to Sapa back in 2017. It is very beautiful. Might go back to northern Vietnam if we have the chance to.😋
應該是桑寄生蛋茶吧，女生恩物
是的，我们后来才知道 🙈 马来西亚少见
@@calvinandmint 對，這是廣東比較常見的涼茶，就是像五花茶、廿四味那種涼茶
Very strange, Chinatown but no Chinatown Gate :)
Ah so true. Now that u mentioned. Not sure if we missed it.
KFC's , McDonalds , would do well in China than Vietnam ...because even if Viets become more affluent , They still prefer "Chopsticks ", Phở
@@Jul_Nguyen Vietnamese food mostly are wraps and rolls. I think vietnamese prefer handpick food more than chopsticks. Chopsticks is more Chinese food which is Chinese culture.
@@hangmatchahang5260wrong we eat noodle as well
Saigon China Town? No, we have a whole China District, District 5, and we live happily with each other.
Thanks for sharing Minh Bao Tran 😊
Sài Gòn !!!!
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Chợ lớn chứ Sài Gòn gì?
There is no Hanoi's China town . & KFC's , McDonalds , would do well in China than Vietnam ...because even if Viets become more affluent , They still prefer "Chopsticks ", Phở
海外唐人街好多人講廣東話嘅
平西市場的腰菓比較平宜
谢谢分享 😊
我们西貢華人都是講廣東話的
我哋第一次来到西贡唐人街，感觉似返佐屋企。好有亲切感。Thank you Bac Ma.🙌🙌
我在2018年到西貢唐人街, 都未能遇上一個曉講廣府話嘅人, 除咗喺一間中式酒家遇上一個年輕侍應會講一啲中文。
万能的群眾呀 請告訴我曼谷与河內相比 哪里更舒適
😆 我们也好想知道 哈哈哈
,妳们应该去第五郡那边好多华人说广东话
我们是在火车遇见一位🇻🇳青年才知道胡志明市有唐人街，临时改变计划去的，所以时间不长，下次有机会回去再安排多点时间去第五郡慢慢逛 🙂 谢谢推荐