"Fighting a war with US would be easy, winning it would be impossible", love this. It proves the generals were totally aware of their army's chances, and so were absolutely unwilling to try.
@@Drannn54 he’s saying it was a common sense decision made by Mexico, because going to war with the US would be suicide, anyone could see it, what the hell are you reading?
@@SirAuron777 Mexico's government throughout history has been quite possible one of the most stupid governments there have been By the simple fact that the biggest industralization period was from 1830 to 1910 you should know something has went wrong But AT LEAST Carranza was smart enough to notice that invading the US would be one of the worst ideas ever, if he was as stupid as most of the other presidents he would have accepted Germany's proposal
@@henryjw15 Carranza's father was from Coahuila y Texas (both were a single state), he saw his state lose more than half the territory and transmited his hate towards the US to Carranza
@@Elitecommando501 Mexicans dont have enemies but they're enemies of themselves. That's why there is a popular sentence here in Mexico which says "The worst enemy of a mexican, is another mexican".
what do you mean fight ourselves¿¿ we had a civil war yeah looong ago.. you had one even worse! this narco thing you know well it´s not even close to a civil war. saying that is just BS. the country is not divided by any ideologý.. well not yet .. let´s hope this stupid president AMLO stop trying it
LUNAR BLOODDROP 20000 American soldiers attacked and defeated 13000 mexican men that were defending Mexico City, thus ending the war. I don’t know what you are talking about 🙄🙄🙄.
The scenario probably went like this Germany: *Join us* Mexico: *thinking about all the problems it has* Errrrrr yeah about tha- *USA breaks through wall* Mexico: *Points at Germany* They started it!!!
@@someguyparagon5273 Why fight in a Pointless Was besides After Mexico defeated US troops at Carrizal and made Pershing depart to Europe. Mexico through it would be better to profit by selling oil to the murican's just like it had done to the Jerry's of Germany, thus making bank by profiting on both sides of the conflict
Can you imagine being the employee in London who was just doing their typical telegram work and out of nowhere you see the country you’re at war with trying to send a message to Mexico
@@angelwhispers2060 sadly the guy who decoded it didn't do so well in the end and committed suicide due to the poor treatment he got despite being a hero.
Well ottomans were still gonna collapse at some time in 20th century and i think it was worth a shot to do some sort of gambling at that time cause the options were basically: Dont join and collapse in Max 20 years Join (lose) and collapse in 4 years Join (win) gain some land and collapse at some time in 20th century probably in 1940s or 50s
A main issue with the Ottoman's joining the war was the fucking 'Young Turks' deciding to fuck with the allies with absolutely no sanction from the goverment.
@Papaya Tasty actually it was kind of because of poor leadership and not taking the wind of industrilazition or renaissence But yeah there were also some european agents too but we made a lot of mistakes
Ottomans only joined so they could try to revive their pretty much dying empire, it was pretty much a YOLO decision and they hardly knew what they got in to. Also don't forget about those Arabian rebels that got brainwashed by Europe to go against their caliphate.
Austin Worthington that’s the correct interpretation of it. We Mexicans wouldn’t enter into a war with the US due to the Mexican Revolution going on at the time, our exports and geographic location were (and still are) a strategic geographic position and Economic powerhouse for the US until today with the current populist and incompetent we have as a president, it’s impossible to determine what his idiocy will lead to...🥺
Honestly, since Zimmerman admitted to it's legitimacy, I don't think the germans were trying to sneak it at all. Something about honor in diplomacy, probably, which is indeed important
One more thing that the video failed to address was that Mexico’s main arms and munitions provider was... the US. Mexico was not about to make a large arms purchase and make the US suspicious... Mexico could have also bought weapons from Argentina, but again such a large purchase that a war would require would immediately be known to the US and triggered a red alert.
Speaking of arms sales, wasn't Mexico filled up with weapons by the US during the Cold War? I could be mistaken, but I thought they wanted the Mexicans to be a powerful enough neighbor to intervene in the Central America region, should Communist influence get too powerful.
I think this is one of the most ridiculous moments in history. Even I laugh (im mexican) because it was simply impossible to attack the US while in civil war (Mexico was divided into three groups by then, North, Central, and South with Villa, Carranza and Zapata as their leaders respectively)
Mexico is weaker than the U.S,Canada,Brazil but it can threaten and win wars against Nicaragua,Honduras,El Salvador,Chile,Guatemala,Coasta Rica and many other south American nations since their military is weaker than Mexico.
Grover Germany didn’t care about Mexico they just wanted Mexico to keep America away from them for a while longer They knew America would easily crush them but a few more months could’ve helped Germany a lot in the longer run But Mexico also knew that was Germany’s plan
Germany: Mexico, we know you are currently fighting a bloody civil war, the country is completely divided, and your army has their hands full, but could you please attack the U.S, we know you lost that last war, but second time is the charm, right? Pretty please?
*27 years later* USSR and USA: Okay, NOW get in.....he won't bounce back from that one. *10 years later they bounced back straight towards europes top economy*
Interim I’m not American but they did that was like a large reason when the Germans did their final offensive in the west before the us troops would arrive
LotharTheFellhanded You always call in the generals, especially when you’re not a military man yourself. Only a fool makes uninformed decisions regarding something they don’t know about.
He had to, to cover himself politically. Carranza was well aware of the answer before he asked, but when your nation is undergoing a series of insurgencies tantamount to a civil war, you don't want to offend your generals by pretending you don't need them.
Did not watch the video, but my knowledge of Mexican history tells me it should go something like this: "Bruh we are in the middle of a massive Revolution."
With american backed militar y dictators, "socialist" petty burgueosie and lets not forget how you killed the nflores magon. We forgive you murica, but we wont forget
This might be one of the most interesting videos on this channel yet. In high school school, I remember asking this and all I got was "They didn't join, lets move on". Very interesting to finally hear Mexico's reasons for not joining.
*attack the USA in case the USS attacks us (Germany). Also it was a one-man-operation of the ambassador of Germany to the USA, without the German government knowing or aporoving of it, from what I know.
Not saying it makes sense to authenticate it, but if you believe America is isolationist nation who will just sit it out because they are afraid of getting drawn into the war, then the bigger concern becomes Mexico not believing the telegram because they think it was a British psyops mission. Either way, the Germans had to deal with American supplies on the battlefield, and the main objective was to divert US industrial capacity into a war with Mexico. Obviously the first premise turned out to be incorrect, and the Mexicans were too smart to take the bait.
Probably because the US had stayed neutral even after Americans had actually been killed by Germany (i.e. the Lusitania) so he probably figured we wouldn't join if he admitted to a simple telegram. Of course, he *sent* the telegram in hopes of preventing us from joining the war that we had not previously evinced any substantial desire to join, so who the hell knows what he was thinking?
The star wars reference with the "don't try it" sign, almost took me out LMAOOOOOOOO... I was already laughing at "uno" "dos" etc... Hahahahahahahahaaa
@Las Armas y Fatman German immigrants also made the USA a strong and powerful country in the first place and started the anti-slavery movement in the USA (in 1688 in Germantown, Pennsilvanya).
What's funny is that if Germany had not done this, America may not have joined World War I. In addition to the isolationist foreign policy, many Americans still regarded the British with deep distrust (heck, the War Dept drew up potential war plans against them as late as the 1920s). The "Special Relationship" is a much newer development than many people think.
So basically, Mexico was in a position similar to Italy, but unlike Potatolinni, they were atleast smart enough to realize they were realistically over their heads joining a war between military superpowers and decided to mind their own business.
I don't blame them to be honest. Mexico was in no shape to fight the Americans whatsoever plus the Germans wouldn't have been able to help them out. It was quite wise of the Mexican government not to fight the Americans and lose even MORE territory to the U.S.
@@girlgarde Yup. I'm sure that the hate for the US in Mexico back then could have played a big role into joining. But we were in the middle of a huge civil war that costed 10 millions deaths if I recall. So yeah, it was smart not to join.
@@alessandrocerioli2151 -- It was on the winning side but it's military didn't do well again Austria. That might have had something to do with Italy becoming a Axis power: if you can't lick them, join them.
Thanks for this video. I've always wondered what Mexico actually thought about the message as history tend to just say that the message happened and that it got the US to join the war, leaving out Mexico entirely
German Imperial Government: "Let's sneak a telegram across the ocean to war torn Mexico for them to accept our help in attacking the United States (even though we can't send much more than advisers) and hope the British who have a monopoly on the telegram communications don't intercept it first even though it would most assuredly go through London before crossing the Atlantic" Me: "Not a great plan"
It was better then Wilhelm’s plans to invade the US in the late 1800s. Concerned that the US would hamper Germany’s global influence, the Kaiser wanted to invade the US by landing troops on Long Island or in Boston, occupying New York, and marching to Washington to shell the capital. It was a brilliant plan, considering Germany didn’t have a navy capable of any of this.
I'm hugely disappointed that you didn't draw Carranza's glasses, he was blind without them in real life. YOU HAVE BETRAYED ME AND ALL OF MEXICO!!! p.s: that Mexican revolution video sounds like a great idea
@@Chocolatnave123 chocolate was invented by ancient mexicans and now 11,000 years later you picked that nick name among trillions.. jajaj accept that is kind of funny pinche pendejo
I loved how the Mexican government argued this. 1: We need war support from the ABC countries. We won't have that, they will most likely support the US. 2: We will need an army to funnel in the United States which we lack numbers. 3: Even if we win, we need to occupy and control Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas which will actively rebel and the world except Germany won't agree to the Annex. 4: We lack a navy. Response to Germany: Yeah that's gonna be a no from me dog.
It's like asking someone with recent stab wounds to go fight a professional boxer There was just no way to win without falling apart because of the civil wars
Yes, and one of the promises the germans made to japan was to give California to them once they defeated the US. In WWll they had the same plan instead Japan would take not only California but also Baja California as well and make it into a Japan protectorate.
@@ericktellez7632 Gonna call bullshit on this. Japan had zero interesting in invading the United States. They admitted this, the US government even admitted they knew that too. The most likely Japan annexation of US territory if they could pull it off was to take Hawaii and even the Japanese doubted that. The entire point of Japan raging a war against the US was fear that the US navy while neutral would disrupt Japanese shipping lanes near US colonies and that Japan was hoping for a quick win over the US navy to force the US to agree to a cease fire on Japanese terms so they could continue to fight in Asia. The Japanese Army was built to fight USSR, the Japanese Navy was built to fight UK. Japan's entire war goals in WWII was what was in the west, never the east.
@@Seriona1 I call bs on your bs, Japan offered several times to buy Baja from Mexico, in a case of a defeated US why would they stop at Baja and not annex all of California, you need to not let your weabo anime nerdy shit not get in the way of realizing Japan was a conquering nation looking for colonies.
@@ericktellez7632 No. The Japanese had zero interest in annexing anything in the US. I know research is hard for you and you can't read English. They did not have the ability to command or control anything inside the 48. Asia was always the intended target.
@history matters, i gotta say you are getting incredibly skilled at both recounting history and doing it in a very entertaining way. your very subtle humor is great at making your videos very enjoyable while at the same time not ruining what it is you are trying to say
Interesting to know Mexico at least looked into it. And that they knew Germany was probably only seeing Mexico as a delay to sending troops to Germany.
Also, the entire population of Mexico in those days was only 15 million, compared to 92 million for the USA. American troops would literally have outnumbered Mexico by six to one. It would have been like if Belgium launched an attack on Germany.
I’m glad these leaders had common sense and actually saw a war would be meaningless and bring more bloodshed to a country that was already going through hard times
I'd love a video on the Mexican Revolution because I've seen several westerns set in this time period but we learned very little about it in history class.
It would have been a nice touch to add that this event allowed Carranza to consolidate himself by using his neutrality in WW1 as a bargaining chip with the US.
Wow..captured basically an unarmed ship international waters (They had a few 50 caliber machine guns) what a deal..still it the biggest ship in the North Korean navy...
Fun fact: Mexico was in the middle of a Revolution and many German officers played important roles in every faction of the war. Including the; Obregonistas, Villistas, Maderistas, and Carranzistas factions. People tend to forget how renowned the German military was at the time. It is was also reported through the newspaper of the time that German officers participated in Villas attack in Columbus New Mexico
Britain didn't immediately inform the US. In fact they waited over a month for 2 reasons. 1. They didn't want to inform the Germans they had cracked their codes. 2. The British didn't want to tell the US they were intercepting US transmissions as well. (Germany was using Swedish and American cables to transmit the message)
I've always wondered what would have happened if the US just said "naw, this is your mess, you fix it." I can't really imagine the results being much different.
México did to Germany one of the biggest "seen" on history
binaway it’s basically getting “seenzoned”.
That feel when you send a message to someone and that person just leaves you on “seen”.
It's when you send a message and the other person read it but doesn't bother to respond you
Lmfaooooo😂
Hahaha you kill me man.
That is why Germany didn't invite Mexico to the WWII party.
LMAO 😂😭😂
"Fighting a war with US would be easy, winning it would be impossible", love this. It proves the generals were totally aware of their army's chances, and so were absolutely unwilling to try.
@@Nuuk_Nuke_Nook Never heard that one, but he was totally right, he foresaw the future.
@rautamiekka the more correct phrase is something like: "We have awakened a sleeping giant and fill it with terrible resolve."
@@rusdanibudiwicaksono1879 Same shit diff package.
@@Nonamelol. Doesn't stop Paraguay about 100 years ago.
Which was why probably Mexico decided _not_ to.
@@rusdanibudiwicaksono1879 Paaguay had no choice it was demolished by its "hermanos sudamericanos"
Germany:" Hey, You wanna invade the US?"
Mexico:" No manches wey "
lol
Stelios Kontos yeah, after the US invaded México.
Stelios Kontos wait now i get it haha im dumb
@Stelios Kontos good yall started the invasions
Hahahaha
Well, as the Mexican I am, I can tell that was one of the scarce common sense decisions taken by the government in Mexican History.
@@Drannn54 he’s saying it was a common sense decision made by Mexico, because going to war with the US would be suicide, anyone could see it, what the hell are you reading?
@@SirAuron777 scarce common sense
@@SirAuron777 Mexico's government throughout history has been quite possible one of the most stupid governments there have been
By the simple fact that the biggest industralization period was from 1830 to 1910 you should know something has went wrong
But AT LEAST Carranza was smart enough to notice that invading the US would be one of the worst ideas ever, if he was as stupid as most of the other presidents he would have accepted Germany's proposal
Sho it made no sense why Germany would send that. The US supported Carranza over villa, which led to villa raiding the borderland.
@@henryjw15 Carranza's father was from Coahuila y Texas (both were a single state), he saw his state lose more than half the territory and transmited his hate towards the US to Carranza
If Mexico ever fought another country with the same dedication that it does when it fights with itself, they would be a formidable opponent.
Mexicans don't have enemies that's why they fight themselves. If we had a common enemy i'm pretty sure the whole country would unite and kick ass
@@Elitecommando501 US most Mexicans are anti american especially in the early 1900s invasion of the us and it still licking its wounds from the 1800s
Is there a saying about fighting more passionately with your "family" than anyone else?
@@Elitecommando501 Mexicans dont have enemies but they're enemies of themselves. That's why there is a popular sentence here in Mexico which says "The worst enemy of a mexican, is another mexican".
what do you mean fight ourselves¿¿ we had a civil war yeah looong ago.. you had one even worse! this narco thing you know well it´s not even close to a civil war. saying that is just BS. the country is not divided by any ideologý.. well not yet .. let´s hope this stupid president AMLO stop trying it
Zimmerman Telegram: "Hey Mexico, you remember that war with America that you lost? Want to do that again?"
@LUNAR BLOODDROP i can't understand you
@LUNAR BLOODDROP Do you remember who Mexico's leader was at the time? You can stfu now.
LUNAR BLOODDROP 20000 American soldiers attacked and defeated 13000 mexican men that were defending Mexico City, thus ending the war. I don’t know what you are talking about 🙄🙄🙄.
Águila701 they’re too busy being jealous of each other and killing each other.
@@filthyanimal874 wow, how did you knew? :v
Throwing Mexico under the bus but they weren't even a passenger.
Giantspaz nice
The dragged us onto the bus and nearly threw us out the window
The scenario probably went like this
Germany: *Join us*
Mexico: *thinking about all the problems it has* Errrrrr yeah about tha-
*USA breaks through wall*
Mexico: *Points at Germany* They started it!!!
@@someguyparagon5273 Why fight in a Pointless Was besides After Mexico defeated US troops at Carrizal and made Pershing depart to Europe. Mexico through it would be better to profit by selling oil to the murican's just like it had done to the Jerry's of Germany, thus making bank by profiting on both sides of the conflict
@@reycesarcarino4653
Yeah I know Mexico was going through their own trouble...
Also gonna point out "seen".
Can you imagine being the employee in London who was just doing their typical telegram work and out of nowhere you see the country you’re at war with trying to send a message to Mexico
Well it was obviously coded and not just flat out “To Mexico
Attack them lol
Love,
Germany”
@@YorkusPorkus757 lmao
Either the biggest ocean moment in history or the biggest I'm about to be famous moment in that person's life
@@angelwhispers2060 sadly the guy who decoded it didn't do so well in the end and committed suicide due to the poor treatment he got despite being a hero.
@@theperfectspecimen2697 Did you just confuse him for Alan Turing?
President of Mexico: What if we wage war on USA?
Generals: Depends on the context. Fighting, good. Winning, no.
“Leader of mexico” bruh we got a president, we are not a tribe, not since the 1400s i guess.
@@ericktellez7632 Mexico had Leaders, Kings, Presidents and Dictators
@@Bryan-bd5kc And?
@@Nonamelol. yeah u right never mind
what if usa would lose? that woulf be good to see
Because the Mexicans were smarter than the Ottomans; they declined to join a war that they could only lose.
Well ottomans were still gonna collapse at some time in 20th century and i think it was worth a shot to do some sort of gambling at that time cause the options were basically:
Dont join and collapse in Max 20 years
Join (lose) and collapse in 4 years
Join (win) gain some land and collapse at some time in 20th century probably in 1940s or 50s
A main issue with the Ottoman's joining the war was the fucking 'Young Turks' deciding to fuck with the allies with absolutely no sanction from the goverment.
@Papaya Tasty actually it was kind of because of poor leadership and not taking the wind of industrilazition or renaissence
But yeah there were also some european agents too but we made a lot of mistakes
@Papaya Tasty but you can say this to the arabian rebels that lived in our empire at ww1
Ottomans only joined so they could try to revive their pretty much dying empire, it was pretty much a YOLO decision and they hardly knew what they got in to.
Also don't forget about those Arabian rebels that got brainwashed by Europe to go against their caliphate.
You should do a 10-minute on the Mexican Revolution
FlaviusBelisarius yes!
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True not many know about that
YES plz
Germany to Mexico: Some of you may die, but it is a sacrifice I am willing to make
Mexico: "seen"
Excellent Shrek reference
It's probably pretty accurate to how many of the European leaders thought at the time.
Yeah man nice Shrek 1
Reference I love that movie
Austin Worthington that’s the correct interpretation of it. We Mexicans wouldn’t enter into a war with the US due to the Mexican Revolution going on at the time, our exports and geographic location were (and still are) a strategic geographic position and Economic powerhouse for the US until today with the current populist and incompetent we have as a president, it’s impossible to determine what his idiocy will lead to...🥺
@El Joshi De Peluche it did reach México, cuando dicen que lo interceptaron no significa que no llegó.
Funny to think that German could sneak a message by Britain when the British having a monopoly on the telegraph line
Also the telegram should pass through US mainland isn't it
Mexico,US,Britain: oh damn, he must desesperate
They had encrypted it pretty well. But some of the codes were leaked before.
Yeah, sometimes I doubt its authenticity. It's a possible Cassus Belli fabricated by the U.S. to enter WW1
@@santamaria7733 That's what I thought too, but apparently Arthur Zimmerman did admit it was genuine.
Honestly, since Zimmerman admitted to it's legitimacy, I don't think the germans were trying to sneak it at all.
Something about honor in diplomacy, probably, which is indeed important
One more thing that the video failed to address was that Mexico’s main arms and munitions provider was... the US. Mexico was not about to make a large arms purchase and make the US suspicious... Mexico could have also bought weapons from Argentina, but again such a large purchase that a war would require would immediately be known to the US and triggered a red alert.
I mean mexico had a couple gun makers but they died out 😥 😔
Not necessarily, considering Mexico was in a civil war.
Speaking of arms sales, wasn't Mexico filled up with weapons by the US during the Cold War? I could be mistaken, but I thought they wanted the Mexicans to be a powerful enough neighbor to intervene in the Central America region, should Communist influence get too powerful.
@@thunderbird1921 Sure… but that was decades later in the future. Communism as a menace for the U.S. would not exist up until well after WWI.
Germany: Let's try this.
Woodrow Wilson: YAY! IT'S WAR TIME!!!
I think this is one of the most ridiculous moments in history. Even I laugh (im mexican) because it was simply impossible to attack the US while in civil war (Mexico was divided into three groups by then, North, Central, and South with Villa, Carranza and Zapata as their leaders respectively)
Mexico couldn't win a war against the US even if they didn't have a civil war
@@desertsand8778 You are right, that is why this is even funnier
The Germans may have thought the prospect of reconquest could re-unify the three for long enough.
Mexico is weaker than the U.S,Canada,Brazil but it can threaten and win wars against Nicaragua,Honduras,El Salvador,Chile,Guatemala,Coasta Rica and many other south American nations since their military is weaker than Mexico.
Grover Germany didn’t care about Mexico they just wanted Mexico to keep America away from them for a while longer
They knew America would easily crush them but a few more months could’ve helped Germany a lot in the longer run
But Mexico also knew that was Germany’s plan
It would've been called "World War Juan."
Clever
Well done
Muy bien.
hahhahahah omg
I make this joke all the time since my friend's brother's name is Juan.
Germany: Mexico, we know you are currently fighting a bloody civil war, the country is completely divided, and your army has their hands full, but could you please attack the U.S, we know you lost that last war, but second time is the charm, right? Pretty please?
Mexico: ok
Mexico: ✔️✔️
Mexico: last online 30 years ago
In my universe Mexico won against the us
@@kv-2537 That's a ridiculous universe
Mexico: Oh dang, they must have been desperate :/
You made me laugh a lot 😂
XD no idea animation
H T Awesome if they want some dozens of Mexicans on horses to be on their side, they were ULTRA desperates
XD Americant
Mexico: ¡Verga! si que están desesperados.
Why didn't Germany just DM Mexico? Would of been much easier.
Funny
A quick Whatsapp message would have done the job
The_red_ barron because they can’t dm because they’re grounded by their mom
Cute
I really want to r/woooosh someone here
Mexico: "I can't read German"
I'm sure some of them can read German.
Big_dro it’s a joke
They would have sent it in Morse code
Yes I know it is a joke
@@n.m.8802 it is a language sort of
@@n.m.8802 true
Essentially the American Football equivalent of throwing a Hail Mary pass only to have it intercepted and ran for a touchdown.
Or the roblox equivalent of an oof
or just the 2013 Iron Bowl...
@@johncoyle8551 WAR DAMN EAGLE BABY
Damn what a day that was
Actually a better analogy would be the QB getting sacked.
A hail mary pass to an injured player on the bench
Germany: *Sends Zimmerman Telegram to Mexico*
USA: *opens coffin* "Okay, get in."
lol acting as if the US made any difference at all.
*27 years later*
USSR and USA: Okay, NOW get in.....he won't bounce back from that one.
*10 years later they bounced back straight towards europes top economy*
Interim I’m not American but they did that was like a large reason when the Germans did their final offensive in the west before the us troops would arrive
Interim It did, the entente would have lost.
@@GiraffeFeatures If it wasn't for the US, Germany would have beaten UK and France with its hands tied behind its back and both eyes closed.
I’m surprised Carranza even entertained the idea long enough to ask the generals. The problems are pretty obvious.
LotharTheFellhanded You always call in the generals, especially when you’re not a military man yourself. Only a fool makes uninformed decisions regarding something they don’t know about.
He had to, to cover himself politically. Carranza was well aware of the answer before he asked, but when your nation is undergoing a series of insurgencies tantamount to a civil war, you don't want to offend your generals by pretending you don't need them.
The olde Civ 5 tactic: give me 10 turns to prepare.
Yeah
@@AngelSilasTV like willhelm ii?
🇩🇪: *sends the letter to mexico*
🇬🇧: ....wait. That’s illegal.
🇲🇽: Si
🇺🇸: *inhales* ... REEEEEEEEEEE
🇪🇸: *always knew this would happen*
Fun Fact: it happened a second time. In WW2
Should've use NordVPN
Did not watch the video, but my knowledge of Mexican history tells me it should go something like this:
"Bruh we are in the middle of a massive Revolution."
With american backed militar y dictators, "socialist" petty burgueosie and lets not forget how you killed the nflores magon.
We forgive you murica, but we wont forget
Mexico: Even at full strength, they would still punish us severely.
@Nexus_Stuff it's very much wrong and evil, I wouldn't be so happy and light hearted about it
You earned a like for the Star Wars reference
SJOlson O, i notice that as well😂👍
"I have the high ground Mexico, don't try it"
Personally, I think the US underestimated Mexico's power
@@ayodejiolowokere1076 hahahahahahahahhahahahahah no
(Seriously)
@@ayodejiolowokere1076 lol nice joke
This might be one of the most interesting videos on this channel yet. In high school school, I remember asking this and all I got was "They didn't join, lets move on". Very interesting to finally hear Mexico's reasons for not joining.
Germany: Hey bro, attack the U.S. and we'll support you
Mexico: Nooooooo nimeeeeergaaaa
It's awesome being trilingual bro! you get to understand this
@@Pinchelalofuckers u mean bilingual :v
@@playerxz6485 nah it's Spanish English and meme language
*attack the USA in case the USS attacks us (Germany).
Also it was a one-man-operation of the ambassador of Germany to the USA, without the German government knowing or aporoving of it, from what I know.
Mexico: Nooooo ni mergas cabron
Why did Zimmerman PUBLICLY admit to it being real? How could that possibly do anything other than make it worse?
Not saying it makes sense to authenticate it, but if you believe America is isolationist nation who will just sit it out because they are afraid of getting drawn into the war, then the bigger concern becomes Mexico not believing the telegram because they think it was a British psyops mission. Either way, the Germans had to deal with American supplies on the battlefield, and the main objective was to divert US industrial capacity into a war with Mexico. Obviously the first premise turned out to be incorrect, and the Mexicans were too smart to take the bait.
I guess it was a attempt to bluff the US out of the war.
He wanted to confirm it to Mexico I assume?
Like we say in México:
Es un sueño guajiro.
It means, an imposible dream that we like to thing about.
Better words arent posible
@@Account-jn7xu
Hey, i like the idea
What on Earth possessed Arthur Zimmerman to actually *admit* to sending the telegram??
Probably because the US had stayed neutral even after Americans had actually been killed by Germany (i.e. the Lusitania) so he probably figured we wouldn't join if he admitted to a simple telegram. Of course, he *sent* the telegram in hopes of preventing us from joining the war that we had not previously evinced any substantial desire to join, so who the hell knows what he was thinking?
Had nobody invented blaming the Russians yet.
Pride
Forcing the US to "think twice" before joining that Entente.
Germany in general thought simple intimidation bluffs would work to keep them out.
It’s because it was all a plan of Britain and America to Join the war against Germany, that’s easy
We knew it was BS, although we liked Germany a lot during that period. Hello from México
be ready if we rise again ;D much love from germany
@@moritz7613 Always ready, Italia!
@@moritz7613 yeah, even the germans supported Vasconcelos and other mexican guys during and before WWII
@@sandrojones8068 just do it better this time :P i mean u already handle those "refugees" really well :D
@@moritz7613 Better than Merkle is trying to kill Germany. but a bad government is now in charge of Italy, i want Salvini!
The star wars reference with the "don't try it" sign, almost took me out LMAOOOOOOOO... I was already laughing at "uno" "dos" etc... Hahahahahahahahaaa
Germany: *Sends the Zimmerman Telegram to Mexico*
USA: So you have chosen death.
@Las Armas y Fatman yeah Germany is always softened up before u.s joins
Such an idiotic comment. Cringe.
@Las Armas y Fatman German immigrants also made the USA a strong and powerful country in the first place and started the anti-slavery movement in the USA (in 1688 in Germantown, Pennsilvanya).
Wrong.
@Jello the original comment is wrong is what I'm saying.
Mexico: We're kind of in the middle of a civil war here.
we STILL kind of in the middle of a civil war here.
Germany: So you'll do it then?
@@jasondyrkacz8270 *seen*
One of these questions that needs to be answered!
Yo, three things. 1. Love the fact that you numbered in Spanish. 2. Love the Star Wars reference. 3. quality video man
You should do a video on the franco-mexican war
The two ones \ :v /
@@maxcano2063 The one we won, preferably.
The pastry war or the second intervention?
ERNESTO JR. VALENZUELA The one that matters, the second.
adbenkunkus Yeah the pastry war was more an embargo than an actual war.
Literally no one in Mexico:
Germany: Hey wanna take some land?
America: Don’t try it
What's funny is that if Germany had not done this, America may not have joined World War I. In addition to the isolationist foreign policy, many Americans still regarded the British with deep distrust (heck, the War Dept drew up potential war plans against them as late as the 1920s). The "Special Relationship" is a much newer development than many people think.
we didnt need it too, texas is literally México by now
So basically, Mexico was in a position similar to Italy, but unlike Potatolinni, they were atleast smart enough to realize they were realistically over their heads joining a war between military superpowers and decided to mind their own business.
mind their own civil war*
I don't blame them to be honest. Mexico was in no shape to fight the Americans whatsoever plus the Germans wouldn't have been able to help them out. It was quite wise of the Mexican government not to fight the Americans and lose even MORE territory to the U.S.
@@girlgarde Yup. I'm sure that the hate for the US in Mexico back then could have played a big role into joining. But we were in the middle of a huge civil war that costed 10 millions deaths if I recall.
So yeah, it was smart not to join.
Italy fought and won WWI.
@@alessandrocerioli2151 -- It was on the winning side but it's military didn't do well again Austria. That might have had something to do with Italy becoming a Axis power: if you can't lick them, join them.
Thanks for this video. I've always wondered what Mexico actually thought about the message as history tend to just say that the message happened and that it got the US to join the war, leaving out Mexico entirely
Excellent video! I really like how you cover more obscure aspects of history.
Last time I was this early, California and Texas were still part of Mexico.
I checked earlier and last time Spain own California and Texas.
@@brandonlyon730 I checked even earlier and Columbus landed in america
When I check Native Americans owned the property and Columbus was no where around..
I checked even earlier and the Clovis were crossing the Bering strait.
I checked earlier than early and the ice sheet still hasn't melted in North America
American History in three words...
"Damn it Europe!!"
More like "Let's invade the middle east, overthrow countless democratically elected governments and kill milions of civilians"
Yeah name one that was democratically elected, dumbass.. I don't think you know what war is, but people typically get killed in them..
@@bielaparisiu8755 Sure. Sure. Name one of those governments.
@@bielaparisiu8755 “democratically elected.”
1:42 German's advice to the Mexicans were to "be better" had me dying !!!
Lol🤣🤣🤣🤣
Git gud
German Imperial Government: "Let's sneak a telegram across the ocean to war torn Mexico for them to accept our help in attacking the United States (even though we can't send much more than advisers) and hope the British who have a monopoly on the telegram communications don't intercept it first even though it would most assuredly go through London before crossing the Atlantic"
Me: "Not a great plan"
Tony Stark has joined the chat.
“Let me Also admit that the telegram was real, because that way they DEFINITELY won’t think we’re trying to stop America at all”
To be fair the telegram was encrypted and it wasn't obvious that the British could decrypt it.
The Germans were all like
“Ich will nur Tacos”
It was better then Wilhelm’s plans to invade the US in the late 1800s.
Concerned that the US would hamper Germany’s global influence, the Kaiser wanted to invade the US by landing troops on Long Island or in Boston, occupying New York, and marching to Washington to shell the capital. It was a brilliant plan, considering Germany didn’t have a navy capable of any of this.
I'm hugely disappointed that you didn't draw Carranza's glasses, he was blind without them in real life.
YOU HAVE BETRAYED ME AND ALL OF MEXICO!!!
p.s: that Mexican revolution video sounds like a great idea
fuck mexico, its such an irrelevant country
@@Chocolatnave123 Yeah you’re right, glory be to whichever nation you come from which I’m sure is very relevant
@@Chocolatnave123 Well I don't know why you would dislike a country just because it's not relevant but ok
@@Chocolatnave123 you prob. Live in Liechtenstein mr. "Important"
@@Chocolatnave123 chocolate was invented by ancient mexicans and now 11,000 years later you picked that nick name among trillions.. jajaj accept that is kind of funny pinche pendejo
I would love to see a video on the Paraguayan war
Wars in the american continent, especially south america are rarely discussed
I’d love to see that. The war of the triple alliance (what it’s generally called in the US) is a very interesting war.
Ah yes, a war so brutal, long, cynical and pointless that makes looks WW1 as a rollercoaster.
Also MEMES lots of dark humor memes....!!!
@@Samer-lx5sz If you take in account that none of the countries but Brazil had over 1 millon people, you'll think differently
@@Samer-lx5sz The TaiPing rebellion was bloodier than WW1 and had no impact, is not body count that tells brutal
How about the Peru-Ecuador war that took place in 1941, DURING World War 2, but didn't involve any of the countries involved during World War 2?
I loved how the Mexican government argued this.
1: We need war support from the ABC countries. We won't have that, they will most likely support the US.
2: We will need an army to funnel in the United States which we lack numbers.
3: Even if we win, we need to occupy and control Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas which will actively rebel and the world except Germany won't agree to the Annex.
4: We lack a navy.
Response to Germany: Yeah that's gonna be a no from me dog.
I take it since you’re talking in the first person you’re from Mexico. and very solid points
"It's over Mexico, I have the high ground!"
Alexander Backert which one there are many Mexicos
Many mexicos? You work for Fox News or something ?
"You underestimate my power, ese!"
@@CoffeeSnep "Don't try it mi amigo."
Lmao so Central and South america is mexico ok donald Trump.
You raise the very interesting questions I would like answers to. Props to you
Man, I love this channel! I love that you always choose topics that aren't talked about as much
"He wasn't suicidal" the reason why invading one of a dozen nation's on Earth is a horrible idea.
The German Empire invaded 2 countries in total in ww1 (Belgium and France).
@@yougothere6000 Russia
He wasn’t suicidal but was inadvertently killed when the town he was sleeping in was shelled.
Germany: “Mexico, beat up America”
Mexico with a black eye: “Uhh yeah, no”
It's like asking someone with recent stab wounds to go fight a professional boxer
There was just no way to win without falling apart because of the civil wars
"Hey mexico remember losing 50% of your territory?"
"Yeah"
"Wanna do it again?"
@@omniscientcammaleon9477 Mexico 🇲🇽 actually sold it if there were to ever be a war now u.s would loose
@@omniscientcammaleon9477 just like usa lost to vietnamese farmers?
@@vincentmontgomery9770 Keep dreaming lmao, Mexico is still far behind the US in every way that matters
Thank you. I have long wondered this and never found any good analysis until now
Interestingly the Zimmerman telegram also asked Japan to change sides.
Yes, and one of the promises the germans made to japan was to give California to them once they defeated the US. In WWll they had the same plan instead Japan would take not only California but also Baja California as well and make it into a Japan protectorate.
@@ericktellez7632 Gonna call bullshit on this. Japan had zero interesting in invading the United States. They admitted this, the US government even admitted they knew that too. The most likely Japan annexation of US territory if they could pull it off was to take Hawaii and even the Japanese doubted that. The entire point of Japan raging a war against the US was fear that the US navy while neutral would disrupt Japanese shipping lanes near US colonies and that Japan was hoping for a quick win over the US navy to force the US to agree to a cease fire on Japanese terms so they could continue to fight in Asia. The Japanese Army was built to fight USSR, the Japanese Navy was built to fight UK. Japan's entire war goals in WWII was what was in the west, never the east.
@@Seriona1
I call bs on your bs, Japan offered several times to buy Baja from Mexico, in a case of a defeated US why would they stop at Baja and not annex all of California, you need to not let your weabo anime nerdy shit not get in the way of realizing Japan was a conquering nation looking for colonies.
@@ericktellez7632 No. The Japanese had zero interest in annexing anything in the US. I know research is hard for you and you can't read English. They did not have the ability to command or control anything inside the 48. Asia was always the intended target.
Guys, insulting each other will not help your case
@history matters, i gotta say you are getting incredibly skilled at both recounting history and doing it in a very entertaining way. your very subtle humor is great at making your videos very enjoyable while at the same time not ruining what it is you are trying to say
You forgot to draw Carranza’s glasses! Plus his beard was a lot longer he had the most epic of facial hair of all modern Mexican Presidents!
2:19 “It’s over Mexico I have the high ground”
Subestimas mi poder!
Don't try it
This has to be one of the best channels on TH-cam.
Thank you.
Fun fact no should be your catchphrase
School: 10%
TH-cam: 90%
Like if your Mexican I know I am :)
USA : chillin
*Germany says some mean words*
USA: you just lost your land privileges
Sauerkraut? More like LIBERTY CABBAGE
Vietnamese farmers: Germany need help on destroying the usa?
hamburger? More like LIBERTY BURGER @@corrat4866
@@Nonamelol. my anti-american detector is off the charts!
@@sontalks why are you crying?
I have wondered this for so long! Thank you for making this video!
0:46 This image still sums up US-Mexico relations to this day
México be like, join your war? I'm already having a war with my self!!
2:19 is that a Star Wars Reference?
Yup
ITS OVER MEXICO! I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!
No, it's an Avengers reference.
You under estimate his power.
yup
Germany: Invade the US?
UK: yo
Germany: shit wrong chat
This is an excellent series , thank you for posting !
Interesting to know Mexico at least looked into it. And that they knew Germany was probably only seeing Mexico as a delay to sending troops to Germany.
Didn't we already have troops in Mexico chasing Pancho Villia? He did attack a city in new Mexico.
And then get wrecked by teachers, kids and the carrizal battle
They where atacked and droved back into the US
Wilson never declared war on mexico to retaliate after that
Yep.
Pershing's Posse.
Also, the entire population of Mexico in those days was only 15 million, compared to 92 million for the USA. American troops would literally have outnumbered Mexico by six to one.
It would have been like if Belgium launched an attack on Germany.
Prequel memes in a history video
*Now this is where the fun begins*
Mate, it's so fucking awesome the way you explane complex historic shit so simply
"Go on..." as he slowly leans in had me giggling.
2:18 I have the Highground you underestimate my power don’t try it
I’m glad these leaders had common sense and actually saw a war would be meaningless and bring more bloodshed to a country that was already going through hard times
0:23 I love how he just waves at the camera
2:18, was not expecting that at all. I absolutely love it.
I'd love a video on the Mexican Revolution because I've seen several westerns set in this time period but we learned very little about it in history class.
Why does everyone forget Japan being mentioned in the telegram
well i considering at the time japan is still an allies to the us and they still fighting the russia
1:16 what happened to Chiapas? Im actually interested in knowing
You forgot to say that México send a "well see" respond 2months late
This is one of his best episodes ever.
This is something I have been wanting to know the answer to for years
It would have been a nice touch to add that this event allowed Carranza to consolidate himself by using his neutrality in WW1 as a bargaining chip with the US.
Can we take a moment and admire the astuteness of the Mexican military?
Talk about the USS Pueblo Incident, the time we captured a US spy ship in 1968
Give us that ship back
@Woiller- Relic Now you're being ageist
Wow..captured basically an unarmed ship international waters (They had a few 50 caliber machine guns) what a deal..still it the biggest ship in the North Korean navy...
SHUT UP, FATTY!
🇲🇽 we still love you Germany 🇩🇪
Annnnnnnd that's why Mexicans are not Americans. Different nationality.
Annnnnnnd that's why Mexicans are not Americans. Different nationality.
No we dont
I love your videos man, and it was nice to see a video focusing on non European or North American history. More please!
Huh
Mexico is a North American country
Fun fact: Mexico was in the middle of a Revolution and many German officers played important roles in every faction of the war. Including the; Obregonistas, Villistas, Maderistas, and Carranzistas factions. People tend to forget how renowned the German military was at the time. It is was also reported through the newspaper of the time that German officers participated in Villas attack in Columbus New Mexico
1:29 always makes me laugh 🤣
If you want to know more about the Mexican revolution, I highly recommend the Revolutions podcast. They did a series that covers it very well
When your friend dares you and you value your life more than your friendship.
Britain didn't immediately inform the US. In fact they waited over a month for 2 reasons.
1. They didn't want to inform the Germans they had cracked their codes.
2. The British didn't want to tell the US they were intercepting US transmissions as well. (Germany was using Swedish and American cables to transmit the message)
I've always wondered what would have happened if the US just said "naw, this is your mess, you fix it."
I can't really imagine the results being much different.
France would have fallen then bc a stalemate
This video can be perfectly summarized by that Star Wars meme
the star wars scene was glorious
BRO the segments that have the person go into the other person have me busting every time:
"GO ONNNN"
I loved your "I have the high ground" reference :)