What India gained & lost from using dossiers and diplomacy to fight terrorism
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- In an election rally, Prime Minister Narendra Modi angrily denounced earlier governments for fighting terrorism with dossiers, instead of action. The use of the dossier, though, was institutionalised by another Bharatiya Janata Party government, under Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee. The policy wasn’t popular-but it succeeded more than many understand.
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It's possible to over-intellectualize to the point of indecision and impotence, and rationalize anything in this world; the real solution is often deceptively simple. Modi is the man.
That’s exactly right
@@akshaytakkar6747 Impotence is a great choice of a word! Testosterone is clearly lacking in the print.
@@tejraju🤣🤣🤣
The reduction of violence in Kashmir is a post 2019 phenomenon and for the other parts of the country, it is only because of high handedness of Indian government and failure of Pakistani economy. I wonder what did Gandhi do to Indian psyche, we have become way defensive in mindset.
What a pity parvin. You have nothing to talk other than the trash picked from the so-called history. Don't try to pull back the nation from its majestic forward journey. Vande Mataram.
Shame on you Print. A nation isn't a land marked by boundaries. It is the people of the nation, their aspirations, their sense of justice and dignity. You can fantasies the 'hypothetical wins' and theoretical wisecracks that continue the dishonest and naive narratives at cost of people's lives. However fact remains, as admitted by the speaker, there has been no attacks post Pathankot and reason is clear.
Peace cannot exist without capacity to and willingness to wage war. War is one of the means of diplomacy. For a nation who has sense of self respect, must guard honour, pride and dignity of it's citizens. At any cost necessary.
Send fighters, not dossiers - the message will be delivered
17:05 So Uri, *Balakot and 370 didn't break the back of Pak terror group. Dossiers and back-channel talks circa 2006 did.👍
This is called intellectual terrorism
Shameless intellectual dishonesty and laziness fed Nehruvian analysis as usual... Only Sam Pitroda can be proud of you Praveen....
Very well said ! Print is shameless
1:47 Kaluchak massacre happened on 14th May 2002 and not in 2022. Get your facts straight.
Terrorism has come down hugely in Jammu and Kashmir - the yearly numbers are down to low 2 digits and not high 3 digits - Balakot, 370 ditching + lockdown, separating Ladakh (60% of the former state) and J&K's UT status have all gone on to size up Pakistan and Kashmiris. What we don't need is a lamba chauda internal discussion on efficacy of dossier and diplomacy - both failed ideas wrt Pakistan. Be a man for once Swamy.
So you're saying Vajpayee wasn't a man?
@@sr-zk4upVajpayee tried that approach to begin with. It was clear by UPA regime it wasn’t working. What was the point in persisting with it?
He's more of a man than you'll ever be. You just consume news when have you ever had a journalistic article peer-reviewed in your entire life.
@@prasannadhopate8513 Did you actually take the time to study up about it.
It's not a failure. It has its pros and cons.
agree with you aditya, this guy has no' feel' of a common man . Now pakis are on the mat, dont give them a chance to even raise their eyebrows.
" A kind word with a gun is better than just the kind word"---Mario Puzo
Yet another congress stooge…. Sending dossier did not start with Manmohan Singh - what the
Fighters send the message better than any dossier could ever could.
Dossiers are used toilet paper
By Pakistan establishment. Meticulously prepared by India.
This talk is a typical example of intellectualism triumphant over simple empathy for human lives. We have lost, our ideas have been outshine, but let me prove you how we were always 'right'
I was a student in Delhi in 2005 , when at the last moment I cancelled the visit to S N Market. Later I came to know about the serial bomb blast & I was shaken.
Then , came attacks in Mumbai, Jaipur, Ahmedabad etc etc....
Those days are gone now. Last year I took my entire family to Srinagar without any fear.
I am sorry, but Dossier diplomacy hasn't worked . And Modi's policy .........has worked.
Swami is wearing ideological blinkers and he feels that he is an intellectual.
A classic case of Dunning effect !
The difference with Mumbai attacks was dossier was not backed with military action. Without carrying a big stick, dossiers or any other talk will be seen as a weakling suing for peace. It wont work. Dont bother comparing with action taken of deploying troops to wage war versus a weak non military option taken after Mumbai attack. Selective story telling is what you have done
Intellectual diarrhea 😂 nothing of substance here
After 26/11, after several discussions, khangressi planners came out with the conclusion that the cost of war is more than the cost of not going to war !
And present political dispensation with larger percentage of population is ready for the cost of war ...
And the cost for the adversaries would be unbearable for decades to recuperate...
2:53 "Is that a price worth paying?"
NO. Stop waffling.
This is another example of cherry-picking issues & incidents to rationalize ‘talk-forever-diplomacy’ and ‘Aman-ki-Aasha’ type initiatives, which has never worked in case of rogue countries like Pakistan. Dossier diplomacy in 2001 was just an attempt in the beginning just like Modi gave diplomacy a chance in the beginning.
Pak constituency within has begun throwing up tantrums.
Rubbish
Kaluchak massacre was in 2002. I think you by mistake said 2022.
Typical dumb bs from print
For once it seems, Swamy started off with a hypothesis and created this episode just to prove it. Definitely not Swamy’s best.
Is a pithy summary of L wing journalism
Such poor analysis replete with opinions guised as facts. Print, you can do better.
You are wrong; print cannot do better!
Print WILL NOT DO BETTER because their fundamentals are wrong !!!
Their understanding of secularism, strategy and state craft is wrong..
They are least interested in preserving Hindu civilisation.
Excellent Mr Swamy. Mostly muscular policy has landed Pakistan where it is today. Happy that India didn't go that way. Optics apart, I assume that even the present Indian government has long term wisdom to not let Force being the dominant instrument in dealing with Pakistan and other nations.
There are no major terrorist attacks outside Kashmir since 2014, learn to give credit where it's due, keep aside your political biases, these are matters of national security.
But if we don’t show force how can terrorists be eliminated. From last 80 years we have been sending money to Kashmir to normalize the situation but money was used for terrorism not for normalization. Most of the terrorists are well educated. But see all over the world Islamic teachings cause of this. Look at London and New York same terrorism continues. So many other countries and cultures have suffered much more than this none of them became terrorist.
Eye for eye is the best answer always. Only cowards think the otherwise
The turnabout against Taliban was not popular , USA using Pakistan to kill afghans even less so , so musharaf was under threat from within . By opening indian front and troops on indian border he could prevent inside coup if it occurs . All to help USA in afghan massacres . Above is an alternative theory
Why is the name of the book at the bottom of the pile faded?
They have blurred the title of YOGA BOOK also and not others. It tells a lot.
I am not from judicial system background and not sure how much support this thought has from constitution. I am basically trying to make a point that in all election for any seat baring Panchayat elections, NOTA is a candidate and people can cast their vote to this candidate. This candidate need not to file nomination and is a default candidate. Even if there is one candidate who is left after last date of taking back nominations, practically still there are two candidates in the race. One NOTA and another one. Conducting election in such senario will ensure that those who do not want the remaining human candidate will get their right to vote. Without a fight between these two remaining candidates, election results can't be announced. What is constitution is saying here. People right to vote can't be held hostage to such corrupt practices. Today BJP is doing tomorrow Cong or others will do .. a very sad trend threatening democracy system.
Shekhar tries to be neutral but his team is having a strong left nostalgia. That has prevented me to be a paid member, honestly.
What about Manmohan Singh's tenure?
i think its a step by step process and we slowly understand what works and what will not work against a particular neighbor. I think different PMs did their work thats why now we have this type of slightly aggressive approach. so prev. PM were also partly right but now modi approach might also be the right for current time.
Great analysis as always Praveen Ji! It's easy to overlook subtle, behind the scenes diplomatic efforts that are necessary and complementary to strong arm military tactics. India has always had the better of Pakistan on both counts.
Slight correction please though -- you mention at minute 23 that PV Narsimha Rao was successor of IK Gujral as PM.
What's the book that's blurred?
Kama Sutra: A Tale of Love
OMFG!! This is by far some of the most idiotic mélange of facts & factoids I've heard/seen in a long time w.r.t. such issues, coupled with an equally moronic 'analysis' of these semi-fabricated/semi-concocted factoids!
This is nothing but soft propaganda for the BJP's (esp. Modi's) absolutely asinine & disastrous failure of 'foreign policy'...!!
Establishment 22 is the Special Frontier Forces.
The names of the book in the background please.
This is certainly a different perspective. I shall elicit my views upon reflection on your arguments.
Halo! I K Gujral succeeded Narsinhrao and not preceded.
SHAME ON YOU THE PRINT FOR BLURRING THE YOGA BOOK 😮
No more Rambo posturing. Total rubbish
They have blurred the title of YOGA BOOK also and not others. It tells a lot.
This was such a boring long-drawn exercise in idle intellectualism aka 'Matlab kuch bhi'!
So many irrelevancies, contradictions and downright d*mbf*ckeries!
When you have decided what the conclusion is then you can justify anything...
Very insightful sir❤❤❤.
Understanding approaches that work and those that don't and from these experiences drawing conclusions for the Future methodology to deal with different neighbors.
Quite informative Praveen Ji
What a detailed and an excellent analysis. The Indian security institutions were not weak before 2014 as many people suggest. They just didn't speak about it that much. Perhaps they should have since people also need to feel that the sacrifices were avenged. But anyway, great insights in the discussion.
A very nice and somewhat comprehensive analysis of covert or overt operations amongst India & Pakistan as well as some in-depth analysis of benefits of diplomacy on the issue of terrorist attacks vis a vis Uri type direct action. It has a vague hint to the cases of Nijjer & Pannu and their fall out effects currently being played down by the government.
But one aspect that the Print editor has avoided to comment on is that our present government doesn't follow the old established diplomacy route but for cheap vote garnering pursuit follow the direct & retaliatory operations unnecessarily just to boast of its macho image amongst its voters which in future would rather spoil our hard earned international image of a mature nation.
The World respects strength only.
See the amount of respect even Russia garners now
With this diplomacy India lost soldiers after soldier and you.still f around with Print which.has.no ink.
They have blurred the title of YOGA BOOK also and not others. It tells a lot.
Super narration, sir
Well researched article by Praveen Swami, as always. Offers deep insight into Indo-Pak overt and covert diplomacy before Modi era.
haha Jingoistic Modi's audience is now trolling Swamy just for discussing dossier vs ghus k marna.. but kudos to Swamy (unbending spine 🙏👏🙌)
Most of those who have commented here need to work on their listening comprehension. And their biases.
The only reason Pakistani infiltration started coming down in the 2000s, was not because of Diplomacy, but because of fencing the entire India-Pork border
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They have blurred the title of YOGA BOOK also and not others. It tells a lot.
They have blurred the title of YOGA BOOK also and not others. It tells a lot.
They have blurred the title of YOGA BOOK also and not others. It tells a lot.