E-scooter fires rise - fire chiefs warn of lithium battery dangers
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- Fire chiefs in London have warned people not to charge their e-scooter or e-bike while they are asleep, and to only use the correct charger, after a man was left with life-changing burns when he tried to tackle an e-bike fire.
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Across the country, authorities are becoming increasingly concerned about the dangers of these blazes in lithium batteries - which are particularly hard to put out.
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For those who want to know why the fires are so violent and putting them out is difficult. as what the firefighter said its "runaway" that is when the heat from one battery cell on fire, dissolves the electrolyte which separates the parts of the next cell. causing them to contact and short out. making the fire more intense. Electric cars with this runaway can burn for days.
@@MrEnigma-cj4ww- and how is this different to other fires where spraying them with water has little or no effect?
Yes, we heard that in the video.
@@MrEnigma-cj4ww Pure water is actually not a very good conductor at low voltages (and by low voltages I mean at the voltage of a cell) - that’s why it’s used as a component of the electrolyte in lead acid batteries. The issue is that putting water onto a fire caused by a fuel or fire where water is unable to significantly reduce the temperature is not very effective. And in any case, anyone trained in firefighting should know that water is not normally the best way to tackle an electrical fire.
A fire caused by a thermic reaction presents similar difficulties to firefighters as battery fires. To stop a fire you have to remove one or more of the three combustion components: the fuel/energy source, the oxygen, or by reducing the heat level below the combustion threshold. In practice, it may not be possible to do some or any of these things. If it’s not practical to remove one of the three combustion components, firefighters instead just try to prevent the fire from spreading, and let it burn itself out (as eventually the fuel will become exhausted).
@@MrEnigma-cj4ww - oh, and how many mobile ’phones have exploded or bust into flames when they have got water in them due to being dropped in a puddle?
STOP ORDERING ELECTRONICS FROM CHINA THAT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
Seems like the main problem is people putting their e-bikes/e-scooters on charge at night, then going to bed. Well, that and people buying questionable kits to turn their mountain bikes into e-bikes. Moral of the story is always stay in the same room as your e-bike/e-scooter when charging it and don't buy cheap conversion kits. Personally, I wouldn't buy any e-bike kit. If I wanted to motorise one of my push bikes, I'd go the old school route a put a little clip-on engine on it. I do already own an e-bike, but it's one from an actual manufacturer, not a DIY one. The charger is the one that came with the battery, it has a fan inside it to keep it from overheating and it stops sending charge to the battery once it reaches full charge. I've also heard putting the battery on charge immediately after arriving home from a ride has been a cause of fires, so always leave your battery to cool off for a bit before putting it on charge. I've left mine to cool off for about 15 minutes before and it was fine, but I usually leave it until the next day to charge it back up.
Yeah, not just escoots/bikes. Nothing should be left unattended when on charge, never mind while sleeping.
Theres an energiser with AA batteries on amazon, plenty were on about it being a fire hazard. I don't leave things switched on, so thought I'd get one and see. They are, definately, a fire hazard. They don't have an overcharge cut-off (and if they do, i imagine they'd catch fire first), the batteries burn to the touch if not cautious, and the glue you can hear crackle as they charge.
Its a fast charger, the batteries are fine, but no way would i recommend the product to anyone, as I just wouldn't trust them to follow my advice of dont charge if u aint sat keeping an eye on it.
Personally, I don't think they should even be on the market, simply because people leave their phone on charge, even while sleeping, all the time.
Which brand of e-scooter & bike do you have?
As a professional in product safety & compliance, I can tell many e-commerce sellers simply ignore it all and sell it anyway focusing just on the money.
I'm saddened by the obvious predicatability of this. At least five years ago I asked an experienced serving firefighter, the son of a work colleague, if he was worried about Li-ion battery (particularly those with liquid organic solvents) fires, and he just shrugged saying he and his colleagues hadn't heard anything about them, wasn't aware of these fires' self-sustaining properties and toxic combustion products nor had any training. He said he wasn't worried as it was "not a problem". I briefly spoke to him a year ago and he said there's at least one or two a month and "hates them".
The powers that be won't like electric bikes and scooters because poor people can travel without thousands in insurance and driving lessons.
The sad truth is that electric transport, electric vehicles in particular, are having the opposite effect to what people think with regards to the environment.
Lithium mining is a disaster, compounded by disposing of them at the end of their short lifespans and made even worse when they catch fire.
Thanks to musk, everybody is jumping into the electric car market when it's not a long-term solution and the money being invested into the infrastructure would be better spent on developing some of the alternative fuels.
all the materials are stolen from Africa , they used as slaves my own people
Whereas mining for fossil fuels is just dandy. What a silly load of twaddle.
@@bugsygoo You know you don't mine for oil?
@@jon_underscore This is semantics.
The point is that lithium mining causes a multitude of problems just from the process of getting it. The prices are lower than they should be, and they're already expensive, because people are being exploited.
You then have the issues with waste and recycling, the latter of which, currently costs more than mining it, which is a problem because they have a lifespan.
There's also extra pressure on the grid to deal with if every vehicle is electric. Even if electric lorries were viable, each one would need its own substation to recharge.
And then you get to the failure of the batteries, which can happen in a variety of ways. With more electric vehicles, there's going to be more fires which are near impossible to put out and release large amounts of toxic gases which will effect the environment and anybody in the general vicinity. If there's a pileup in a built-up area at the wrong time, the results could be catastrophic.
I'm not saying EV's are bad. Just that they are a stop gap and the focus should be on something you can refuel as easily as you can with petrol.
STOP ORDERING ELECTRONICS FROM CHINA THAT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
eScooters, eBikes AND you forgot, battery EV cars as well. They're all running lithium batteries. Battery EVs literally run on thousands of 18650 AA style cells in series.
Hundreds of battery EVs catch fire annually, but it isn't reported in the news media. Report the full story.
Can we call this the e scooter crisis
Thanks
We haven’t had a fearmongering crisis story for at least a day
Imagining just reporting the news and expecting people to be able to deal with it like adults who live a complex and uncertain world.
E scooterpocalypse
Boo hoo and everyone is crying go electric and so called green I will stick to my gas engine
Iv had my e scooter for a year , never had any problems hopefully this doesn't happen , I will for sure charge during the day Out side the house now iv seen this , the scooter I have is a kaabo mantis 10 plus , ( 800k sold sold world wide ) not one had been reported of exploding
We haven't seen a comment from you in over 2 days. Did yours explode?
@@gary63693 nope still going strong 💪 nearly 3k km on it
Hello, did it explode?
Add Electric cars........
Why does the UK not have safety standards that regulate the design and construction of lithium ion batteries and charger units? Alternatively it would be better to switch to a more stable battery chemistry such as Lithium Iron Phosphate
The uk does, kinda. The problem is, ecommerce dgaf about the laws, and the fines when they get them, are loose change to them, out of the multi-millions. It's all factored in when they sell them. The fines are not a deterrent, cos corps, literally, can get away with murder.
Which is odd because thousands of ecars are catching fire in China where all the bikes and scooters come from it's a pandemic, but oddly enough no one is talking about all the electric cars catching fire or the huge number of petrol cars that catch fire every year.
Do you suppose the auto industry are pooping in their pants due to the fact that car sales are way down as lots of people turn their back on cars in favour of using something way cheaper.
It seems highly fishy that the only thing according to the media catching fire is the ebike and scooter.
The totally untrustable media companies.
Actually part of it is that Chinese companies sell the better more expensive versions to other countries because if they start catching fire en masse they would lose business so fast.
wait till EVs will start burning....give it few years when electronics of those become a bit tired...
Wait for a fire in a tunnel or a passenger ferry…
@@franckcolomb5579 Already happened
Already happened. Don't flood them with salt water
Regulate It.
How Many people has to die to get It fixed.
My bloke was one of the first to be affected.
We were All over the News for quite some Time.
We still Traumatised by It and Suffering Silently.
Lithium Battery are all around us.
Thousanda of Scooters & E bikes 24/7 in our Streets.
Good thing the UK pulled out of all the product safety standards set by the EU. That'll make things better
😂😂😂😂👌🏻
Which product safety standards has the UK withdrawn?
Bit of that famous 'red tape' would help.
So is the problem only with retrofitting batteries and not with manufacturers of the original scooters.
No the problem is batteries and chargers imported from abroad not being subject to the same higher safety standards as they would be if made here, leading to three points of failure: the charger, the battery, and the possibility of a consumer flatout choosing the wrong charger for their battery or vice versa.
Switch bike kits and locally built bikes and scooters: should be no worries but they'll be much more expensive.
Cheap import kits or cheap import ebikes and escooters: danger, will robinson.
Regulation, large tarifs or outright banning of imports of devices from countries with different/looser electrical standards is where we need to be thinking.
More like a customs problem. A small lithion ion battery (12v 6000ah) I ordered for a small diy project, was destroyed by customs. So we do have checks in place, just not enough of them.
Tbh, I'm glad, I would rather customs do the checks, rather than finding my place burnt to the ground.
I love how he keeps saying 'goes on fire' rather than 'sets on fire'.
Very endearing
Don’t think either is correct
@@flyerphil7708 agree think "ignites" would be best....
There are actually two different problems. The major problem is not the cell or battery. Rather it’s the poor quality chargers. Lithium type cells (batteries) (and there are multiple different types depending on the chemistry, Lithium ion or Li-ion being just one type) require careful control of the power (electrical current and voltage) that is used to recharge them. If a poor quality (bad design) of charger is used, this will overcharge the cell / battery and as this type of cell / battery technology cannot cope with excessive energy, it will heat up and may eventually cause a fire.
The second problem is poor quality cells / batteries. Again, these may cause problems. Li-ion cells / batteries contain a lot of energy, it’s all the stored energy being released that is the problem.
Other cell / battery types can also cause fires if abused. NiMh can deliver a high current if shorted, more than enough to start a fire.
There’s another problem and why particularly scooters are affected. Physical damage to the cells. As they charge, they can swell and if a damaged cell swells then it can create a short within the cell, causing it to ignite. Scooters have small wheels, often with little suspension plus the battery is next to the ground so the chassis can hit things especially if you’re doing tricks on them. That can of course physically damage the cells.
Now, the swelling won’t just happen if the battery is just sitting there without the temperature of the cells changing, it needs to be charging. However, swelling can also happen if the cells are over discharged. This can happen over time if there is either self discharge by the battery management circuit which can be a part of the battery or the device and there can also be discharge cause elsewhere in the device. The best thing you can do if you are not going to use it for a period of time is to remove the battery and put it in a fire proof container. The second best thing you can do is to store the device away from living areas.
@@oliverpolden - so are you going to do this with your mobile ’phone? Your ipod? Your tablet? Your laptop? Or the countless other devices that also use Li-ion cells? Poor quality items will obviously be more likely to be easily damaged. Good quality items should be sufficiently well made that they should be able to withstand a reasonable amount of vibration and normal day to day use. Which gets us back to the recommendation that people should not buy grey imports, that they should buy from a reputable retailer or supplier.
@@Mark1024MAK No of course not, I was talking about the context of this video. I have large lithium cells for radio controlled models. I wouldn't dream of keeping them in the house. I feel a similar way to scooter batteries. Phones, laptops etc have much smaller batteries, much better protections, regulation and generally come from more reputable brands.
There's a reason why ev's have been banned from the Westminster underground carpark. It's not because they're noisy.
My new mobility scooter has lithium batteries, and the freedom they have given me is outstanding.
My scooter goes for miles more, and can deal with higher gradient hills without the safety fuse (which is extremely annoying) popping every few yards, because with the old style battery couldn’t cope with the pulling of charge by the scooter.
My scooter came with lithium, the manufacturer did the switch for me, so I am not concerned, but what gob smacked me is when it comes to charging, there is a fan in the charger humming away loudly, which made me realise how different these batteries are!
That hum, and loud start up of the fan, is a good sign to me, that it's doing a good job. If it never makes them noises, it will be immediately powered off.
Another thing to note, is some chargers MUST be on at the wall before even connecting to the charge port, and only connected to the charge port if the charger is showing a green light.
On charge complete, it must be disconnected before being powered off at the wall. I don't think many people would know this unless either; someone told them, or they actually read the charging instructions.
Not all chargers and devices work the same way.
These batteries are not different, they just have a lot of capacity so a lot of energy is going through the charger. Almost all vehicle batteries are made up of 18650 cells. Some have similar cells of different dimensions. Phones don’t use this type of cell but in terms of energy, they have the equivalent of one of these cells. In something like a scooter you may have around 20 of these cells. So you can imagine that if your USB charger gets warm charging one cell, there is a lot of heat generated charging 20! You can of course charge for longer at a lower rate to limit the heat generated in the charger and the cells themselves. Battery cooling in scooters, e-bikes etc. is passive, essentially nothing is there like a fan to actively cool the batteries, they hopefully do have temperature monitoring to switch off charging if they reach a certain temperature. Car batteries have active cooling which I believe is a fluid that is pumped around the cells and this allows them to be charged at a fast rate without the heat building up.
@@zigzagtoes yeah only realised a couple of days ago, once the batteries are fully charged, the charger switches off charging.
The cost of these batteries are well over the cost of the old style batteries, for a battery box with standard batteries, £350, compared to the lithium which is around £700.
And according to my son the lifetime of the lithium is far longer than the old batteries, which had to be renewed around every 9 months, with a marked reduced distance cover before I changed them.
A massive jump, but now around 6 weeks in with them they are worth every penny.
@@wazz1154 yeah just remember with these batteries, if not going to be used for a good while(say a month or two), check regular for charge status, if you let them go completely flat, it will take a long time to recharge, if they recharge at all. Try not let them drop below 40% in this scenerio. If you only charge to 90% they will last even longer as you won't be stressing them to full charge all the time. Of course, this will affect range, but something to consider.
And what happens when the batteries become damaged due to normal use and potholes and impacts and ….
Anything that retaine's huge amounts of energy become very unstable!
It’s not generally unstable, it’s that when it ignites it is intense.
Setting on fire? Catching on fire…..
Also, Point of Order...
e bikes and scooters aren't setting on fire, they're catching fire.
Love my cheap ebike build. The thrill of a potential fireball is what keeps me riding it.
Why are people buying those
e-bikes and Electric Cars whit those Dangers,,,,Lithium Battery 😱😱
Cars have gone through rigorous testing. Most of the e scooters are from china with regulations or testing
I bought my scooter before I was even aware of those problems. Now I feel like a bad guy for something I didn't even do.
People also are using the wrong chargers on them,
For example, the charge port on a m365 it’s labelled 42 V however, requires a 36 V battery charger,
If somebody goes out and buys a 42 V battery charger and plug it in, it will charge the battery up to above 52 V = house fire.
People just need to respect the technology
🆘‼️🆘‼️
That just means the charge port can handle upto 42v.. just encase you upgrade to a higher capacity battery, or add a battery. Ignore the charge port, and do as you said.. check the battery specs.
And for the more advanced user, if you know how, change your scooter settings max powers down from the default 100% to less. Personally, I have mine at 90%
This means I don't get a full charge (only 90%), and I can't draw a full 100% when using it. Which means battery will last longer, will never be pushed to its limits, and therefore will lower its max operating temperature compared to if you have it at 100% - it's worth the loss of range for some peace of mind and safety.
Another prime idea from politicians push " bad ideas" , stay up all night to charge your bike or car so you can get to work with no sleep. Combustion engines bad , combustion EVs good .
Are you saying that fossil-fuelled engines are fine?
This problem isn't going to go away. There are just too many self-appointed 'amateur expert' weekend engineers building custom e-bikes and super-scooters in sheds across Britain.
As with firearm fanatics in the United States, every one of these 'amateur experts' will loudly denounce and deplore all other amateur experts because, obviously, only THEY know what they're doing. Everybody else is a bumbling incompetent who doesn't understand what they're getting into, thus endangering the public... yadda, yadda, yadda.
There is no solution to this because nobody involved with lithium battery packs or e-bikes or e-scooters will admit to being anything other than a towering authority on the subject. And it's the same with the dog-breeding maniacs creating attack- and pitbull-style fighting dogs and selling them as cuddly family pets.
The street-going scumbag drug dealers in my neighbourhood [in West Yorkshire] all zip around on e-bikes and e-scooters, accompanied by their 'minders' in the form of slobbering, wheezing, weaponised pitbull crossbreeds. I don't know if they're also carrying concealed firearms, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are.
I'm waithing for the day when one of them suffers a spontaneous lithium battery fire which causes his pitbull to panic and savage him, accidentally setting off his concealed handgun which then blows his nuts off...
Still buying a second one. Nice try scare mongers. Trying telling the truth like. Wrong use of charging, and incorrect batteries.
"Why are escooters and ebikes so much more likely to be thebcause of fires".
Yes. This is the question. Fix that, fix the problem, and no need to ban the escooters and ebikes.
Support and legislate for their safe use and safe construction. Empower, dont construct.
Can't have anything because it's just dangerous for profit and eventually banned.
I think its the charger that causes fires. They should lower the amps charging these batteries as the lower the charging amps the less likely the battery will cause problems...
How low? I already think 2A is low enough.
People should not be putting them on charge as soon as they reach destination, as the batteries will already be hot from being used. Doesn't make sense to add more heat.
Instructions do say not to ride within first 30mins of being charged, and to let cool for 30mins before putting on charge. How many follow those instructions though.
@@zigzagtoesa device should postpone charging until the temperature is low enough. You may have seen your phone saying it won’t charge because it’s too hot. I have a Dyson vacuum cleaner and it shows a light indicating it’s not charging straight after it’s been used. But I suspect a lot of the cheaper devices don’t do this.
What about banning electric cars on ferries. Remember what happened last month in Rotterdam. A lithium fire cannot be extinguished. Tose scooters will cause 100s of grenfell towers…
It depends on what e bike you have. The Chinese ones are the ones that blow up, if you have a Bosch motor they are fine because they use the same electrical system across Europe.
Indeed it would be interesting to see how many of these bikes and scooters are the cheap ones off ebay
Bosh makes electric motors, it's batteries that burst in flames
Rubbish. It's the battery chemistry that makes lithium batteries so dangerous the motor has absolutely nothing to do with it. The more of them are rolled out and the higher capacity they are the more fires we will see at an increased intensity
@@jon_underscore your either bought and paid for by the industry or a fool. Either way I've got little time for you.
@@EvilijoUKBosch batteries may not technically have cells made by Bosch but they're assembled by Bosch into the pack, with the relevant Bosch designed BMS and safety features. They are far safe than some no name battery from Ali Express.
That's not to say the Chinese don't make some good batteries, they really do.
Most battery fires are from physically damaged batteries or overcharging.
It's simple enough to get a fireproof charging bag if you're worried about it. They're cheap and they work.
Who's responsible for cluttering our streets with these things you can't even dispose of safely
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I heard of a few catching fire here in Australia now
This is what happens when you let a bike market run away with its wild overpricing due to both covid and schemes like ULEZ. The govt tells everyone to stop using cars and cycle to work and the cycle industry responds by jacking all the prices up, which leads to people opting for cheaper ebike kits with dodgy components. Couple this with the govt kneejerk response to people riding like idiots by limiting not just the speed but the power of these bikes/scooters, meaning many of them can't even get you up a hill (which kinda defeats the whole point of an e-bike in the first place), so now people with no experience in electronics are resorting to TH-cam videos showing them how to make their own e- bikes and make them more powerful, even how to build their own batteries!
I've been deep into the E-bike rabbithole lately (as even owning a motorcycle in London now is just beyond practical) and came to the conclusion that the only way I'll afford one, is to buy a cheap 2nd hand mtb and put a kit on it myself and this will still cost more than a full suspension downhill bike from 15 years ago!
"the cycle industry responds by jacking all the prices up"? Really? Argos sells adult bikes for £160.
@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx Yeah, have you seen them? They're absolute trash, with poor build quality and really poor components. Those bikes wouldn't last more than a month of me daily commuting and I certainly wouldn't recommend one to someone wanting to use it on a daily basis.
Try asking the MTB industry why they now say a "budget" bike is a grand as opposed to 10 years ago when it was around £500.
For example, Saracen used to make pretty good low budget bikes and now the cheapest bike on their site is a grand!
Are they paper like some capacitors are they electrolytic band if not electrolytic
My friend and I were all over burn because of these vehicle, my friend kept it charging while we were sleeping
Happened On Sept 22, 2024
Please pray for us me and my roommate
Have we got any such data on electric or hybrid cars?
you all sleep with a battery like this in your phone, you put it next to your bed on a table on lots of flamable stuff. your house is full of these devices. if it was a serious risk everythng would be on fire.
Ah people have actually died from having their phones on charge on their beds.
@@bollocks5724 yes because of misuse not the product being faulty, if you have it in your bed charging it over heats not in normal use. User error unfortunately will always exist.
Only ever had one battery fire and that was when I bought a cheap battery from abroad.
We need answers and immediate attention
Teach folks how to charge correctly, NOT a ban.
I visited China for a few months last year and the apartment building that I was staying in would not allow eBikes in the building for safety reasons. While I was there I read an article that China is planning to migrate users away from lithium to sodium based batteries which will be much safer. The article stated that the sodium based batteries will be similar in price to the current batteries at first, but will decrease as much as 80% when they are produced in volume. It is anticipated that they will be available sometime this year. They are considering incentives to entice people to purchase sodium based replacement batteries. If this hapens in Canada, I will consider purchasing a new eBike or scooter ,
I have my charger on a smart switch that goes off at a set time
In Paris e-buses have at least one fire a month
Yeh welcome to the electric car (Y)
E bikes are banned on Wight Link ferries as of October 2023, imagine having a boat inferno in the Solent.
you need to emphasise the retrofitting statement a lot more! a large number of these fires are caused by people either buying a bigger battery not designed for their scooter or bike, or buying fast chargers under the false belief it'll save them time charging. bigger batteries not designed for your product will of course be unsafe. and fast charging with an aftermarket fast charger is just asking for trouble. what do you expect will happen when you introduce too much current to those circuits which are not built to support it? electrical fire! because of these people who don't know any better, those of us who do know better and don't try to modify our scooters and bikes are restricted from using public transport like buses or trains when it's completely safe for us to do so.
It's not a new thing.
We have always been messing the vast majority of reasonable people about, because of a very small unreasonable minority.
this is why I now charge up my electric bike when I wake up before going to work,Just incase if my E bike bursts in to flames,Glad I have loud smoke alarms in my flat,Just incase any fires break out while im sleeping,They sound of,It soon wake me up
I only charge at work, rarely at home 😁
my apartment bldg had to be evacuated in the night because of an ebike on someones balcony that started a fire.
When was this report actually broadcast as they have figures for the first 7 months of the year, it is now the 10th month. Also I have seen the 'exclusive' footage of the fire on other 'TH-cam' channels a couple of months ago, at least similar footage
It's a cart before the horse job. In the rush to push this technology (Net-Zero) on to people, not enough consideration has gone into protecting the public. No way would I be charging a battery powered car at home overnight whilst the wife and I are asleep, madness😜
Chinese made e-bikes
they arent legal anyways
The insurance companies will kill the craze stone dead by asking the question on renewals if you keep a scooter or ebike indoors or within a certain distance from your home. You can lie but claims would be voided.
I would not have an EV as a gift
Currently, electric scooters can only be used on private land with the landowner’s permission. It is effectively illegal to use them on public roads, on pavements, in cycle lanes and in pedestrian-only areas.
such silly comment.
@@VladStefanXPopa the law
The police dont care, I ride along side them all the time. If you ride with consideration, they leave you be. I stop outside police station daily at the red light.
Stephen Ridley has the fakest smile i've seen in ads in recent years... 😅
Firefighters are really ill prepared for the future, if they can't put out 500Wh battery from an e-bike what are they going to do about 100kWh batteries in electric cars that keep getting larger market share every year?
China have a good way of putting them out. They dump them in a great big skip that's bigger than the car and full of water and continue to pump water into the skip 🙈 That's how bad an electric car fire is. The damage done to the environment in mining the lithium, putting out fires caused by widespread use of larger batteries and disposing of them at end of life is astronomical compared to a petrol or diesel car. The world's gone mad rolling them out at scale.
They aren’t. And they aren’t your slaves. There will be so many dangerous fires they will refuse to attend tarquin and his Tesla issue
The problem is the battery used in these products is not up to standard for the device. The charger system is not up to par for thermal protection and manage proper rate of charge for the type of battery system used. With Lithium ION battery devices simply retrofitting a battery to a device is not a safe. The battery must meet proper specifications for charge rate, discharge rate, and thermal protection. This also includes phones, tablets, and any Lithium ION portable devices.
With cell phones there have been some catching on fire because of overheating. NEVER keep a cell phone in your pocket. In your pocket there is no place for its internal heat to be dispersed. NEVER use low quality no name brand chargers for your devices. These chargers may not function properly with the battery management circuits in your device, and lead to battery overheating. This is dangerous.
When a Lithium battery overheats and its dialectic layer breaks down the anode and cathode layers (electrodes) come in to contact with each other causing a direct internal short. The instant heat buildup is in range of a few thousand degrees Celsius. The battery electrodes go in to a type of plasma state. When spraying the Lithium battery unit with water the idea is to try to keep the temperature down. Water if not in huge quantities will actually feed the fire. This is because electrically active Lithium reacts with water separating the hydrogen and oxygen, and thus using the water as fuel, unless there can be enough water coming at it to keep the temperature down.
A dangerous experiment would be to cut open an Lithium battery, unravel the layers, and throw them in to a bucket of water. After a number of seconds the battery contents will erupt in to massive flames.
It is 'catching fire' not 'setting on fire'.
a million electric scooters on UK streets...let that sink in fear mongers
You'd have to say once investigated, your insurance would likely be void if you burn your house down with one of these that you've amazoned a Chinese replacement battery for... No mention of that in the piece here, which there should be. The fire of Richard Hammond's Rimac car crash in Switzerland should tell everyone everything they need to know about what happens when lithium batteries go up in flames. That one kept starting again and again for over a week after being put out multiple times.
They need a freezing agent 🤷♂️
Blame corrupt CCP spies within the the Department for Business and Trade
Supply and demand is the problem. People want cheap products. So quality and safety suffer.
🔥The Cars are worse🔥 - EV owners are evangelical to the point of being deranged. They have to try and justify what is turning out to be a terrible buying decision - worse for the environment, more expensive, horrific depreciation, short life span ,limited range and more expensive to charge than petrol if using public chargers .
As a ex firefighter Petrol burns well too !!!!
@@davidpearson243you quite obviously don't have experience of an electric car fire. You'd be wishing it was a carpark full of petrol cars instead. You quite simply wouldn't be able to put it out until the battery finished burning out with standard firefighting equiptment used over here. The Chinese dump them in giant skips while on fire that are full of water and have to continue to pump more and more water or just let them burn out for hours and hours while putting out gases that make a petrol driven fire seem like a breath of fresh air
@@ricardosmythe2548 send me you CV and I’ll bow down to your expertise
It’s a cult.
@@davidpearson243 OK rabbi
Because lithium batteries get easily overcharged by cheap poor quality Chinese chargers.
if the scooter and battery are from china than i am nor surprised
Probably because botch up bill makes the batteries
We are on the eve of living smart in a green world, but too dumb to even consider what is green anyway.
Yet we are still putting them into cars and expected to switch to EV motors.
Cheap junk batteries with bad BMS, low-end chargers, and dim-witted owners.
Is it because they were made in China?
It's the chemistry of any lithium battery there inheritly dangerous and unstable
@@ricardosmythe2548 yes Mr politically correct
@@ricardosmythe2548but mainly made in China
@@John-jy7so it's got nothing to do with being politically correct. That's not something anybody could accuse me of buddy. Whinnie the pooh and his party of commies can rot for all I care, the reality of the situation is that lithium production lithium fires and lithium disposal are a major problem that can't be skirted around regardless of what nation is doing the mining, manufacturing or disposal. The environmental damaged caused by them make petrol and diesel cars seem like they run on pixie dust and we quite simply shouldn't be going down the path we're currently on
Dr. John Campbell should have told you about the five hundred deaths caused by this instead of over one hundred thousand unnecessary deaths caused by that other thing. Then you would have bothered to broadcast the cause of such a huge number of deaths. Why?
Buying a death trap, boom .
I can't wait until we are all driving electric cars. Should be a right good laugh 🙄🙄
The lithium batteries in the scooter's and bike's are being over worked because people are using them all the time like deliveroo riders which means there always constantly being charged and when the carbon inside the batteries overheat thay just catch fire. There just stupid and dangerous
i charge mine over night i know how too take of my scooter
Customers want cheap e-bikes and sellers want our money. Unsurprisingly the first place people cut costs are quality, safety and pollution. As a result we get cheap chinese manufactured units that arent as regulated or tested.
These smug legacy news liars are getting on my nerves
I hear glucose ,extends the life of electrolytic batteriers
Don't want anyone getting hurt but e-scooters are a cancer. Get rid.
YET THEY WANT EVERYTHING TO BE ELECTRIC. LIKE THEM THINGS WONT HAVE LITHIUM BATTERIES. SCARE MONGERING YET AGAIN
Lithium battery elements are mined by cheap childrens hard work
Welcome to the green revolution
Scouse accent to the best!!!!
So little data presented so as to be useless. Typical inflammatory reporting, haha.
Cheap Chinese crappy ones of amazon or eBay
Are the Chinese products?
And yet there was an EV fire in Cornwall this afternoon, this wont get mentioned on here now will it just in case it demonises the EV industry lol.
Is this “fire” data indexed with growth of e-bikes since 2019?
chinesee made :) cheap
% of those made in China?
100%
Because electric vehicles are stupid.
hahah and you wanna stick these in every car on the road , not a bad way to halve the population
6 hand grenades. 😂Putin did it
Woman's been playing too much cod 🤦♂️
Y don’t they dig canal 🛶🛶🛶🛶🛶🛶⛵️⛵️⛵️instead build road 😂😂🎉🎉🎉Co2
Clean Energy Generation Project freshwater battle against climate catastrophe fire 🔥 air pollution