My mom, aunt and grandma are still in the religion. Speaking from experience, Christian Science is truly a completely different way of looking at the world. It shapes people’s entire way of thinking and can be very difficult to get out for many people.
I too was raised as a Christian Scientist. Now I am a Bible believing Christian. The family is still involved deeply. When someone showed me from the Word of God that Jesus was God, then I had to either consider Him a liar or believe every thing He said. Praise God the Lord opened my eyes to the truth. CS is a convoluted mix of all kinds of religions and is based on metaphysical incoherence. Christian Scientists are moral, loving and non-aggressive. They are kind and law abiding, but oh so very lost! I understand this fellow’s difficulty in explaining what CS beliefs are-they are grounded in one woman’s disjointed and demonic-inspired thoughts. What a great joy it was to have my mind renewed by God and to believe the truth of God’s Word.
Evie, if you read this, please consider joining the Fellowship of Former Christian Scientists Facebook group at facebook.com/groups/304891006385178/. We'd love to hear more of your testimony!
You have work to do; look here as I show you what the Bible says, Numbers 23:19 👉God is NOT a MAN, that He should lie, or a son of man, that He should change His mind. Does He speak and not act? Does He promise and not fulfill? JOHN 4 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24👉God is SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.👈 JOHN 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.👈 Isaiah 45:5 “I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is👉 NO God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:” JESUS IS sitting next to God and God says there's NO God beside him, then Jesus is NOT God.}}}✝️ Mark 10:17 “And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?” Mark 10:18 “And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou ME good? 👈 there is none good but one, that is, God.”👈💜 King James Version (KJV) Jesus says that the invisible Spirit the ALMIGHTY GOD is the one and ONLY good God and denies that he as a flesh and blood man can be GOD.}}}✝️ Jesus was called "SON of God" and "The Son of Man"}}}}✝️ JOHN 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world. Mark 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born. Jesus says that he and God are one and,that to see him is to see God because Jesus always OBEYED God the FATHER and pleased God by reflecting God's word in doing God's works.}}}✝️ John 1:18 No man hath seen God👈at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
@@uganda_mn397 no, it’s one or the other. One is where you believe in magic and the other is where you laugh in the face of beliefs Beliefs never built anything but social rules lol
@@OfAngelsAndAnarchist the more i look into sciences, the more i become firm in my Faith It isn't science, it is the philosohpy of many scientists that makes it appear as such. I can give you my reasons if you'd be interested
@@uganda_mn397 is that right? I’m glad you’ve told me that with whatever device you’ve used. How about you pray a working phone into existence which doesn’t use any existing infrastructure and then we can talk about how much you doubt the validity of science ;)
Christian Science is based on philosophical idealism whereby everything is the mind not materialism. Mrs Eddy probably got it from somebody like Schopenhaur who in turn was influenced by Yogacara Buddhism which is amazingly like Christain Science without the Christian bit. I was brought up as a Christian Scientist but I am Holy Spirit baptised. My Holy Spirit baptism was very powerful and was mainly the experience of love and joy. The power was so powerful I can describe it as a warm energy that felt viscous like oil that circulated around my heart. The teaching was the Jewishness of Jesus which changed my theology. I became very aware of the testimony in the Bible of the Holy Spirit and particularly in the OT like in Kings where the priests in the Jewish Temple were not able to stand to minister to the people because the glory cloud was so powerful. However, although the Spirit changed my theology I did not receive a hatred of Christian Science or of any other religion or to create theoligical division. Tanner mentions Martin Luther in part 2 of these videos as somebody better to follow and yet Martin Luther was virulently anti-semitic. Also, out of the reformation came a new biblical canon that excluded books of the Catholic canon that were later found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were Hebrew versions of these books and these books had been excluded by protestantism because old enough versions of them did not exist at that time. That is until they found the Dead Sea Scrolls. My view is that Christian Science has a lot to offer if you can make genuine discernments of what is relevant and what is not. I used it successfully in delivering myself of something. Now Mrs Eddy would not recognise deliverance as a spirit being delivered and perhaps that is a weakness in her theology but equally it has to be said she advocates that God is the only power which is essential in deliverance. Dualism just won't wash. Also she is one of the earliest advocates of the placebo effect long before such an effect was recognised by the medical profession. Strangely too there is a lot of similarity between what the Buddhist teacher Nagarjuna teaches 2000 years ago and Quantum Physics philosophy. So sometimes truth can be found other than from the church. Let's face it guys, if we followed the church in everything we would still believe the sun moved around the earth. In conclusion nobody has a perfect theology, not even the main stream church who seem to have missed some important things about Jesus's Jewishness. I would say even part theologies have something to offer and yet in the end love for God and neighbour matter the most not division and distrust. Here is a completely different take on God and is this to be discounted too as another deceptive cult? th-cam.com/video/-IuJKabyx_g/w-d-xo.html
I was raised in it. Total mental, physical & emotional abuse. I refuted it since age 6, and counted down the days until I became an adult and moved away.
My mom was an ER RN. She was so upset when a Christian Scientist came in to her ER. The lady had breast cancer so bad that she smelled bad because the mass had rotted off her breast. I can't remember exactly but she died either within hours or days. Can't even imagine the pain that poor woman lived with for a long time. It's hard to believe that anybody who loved her would allow that.
So if she cut it off and took chemo then died...you would be ok with that.??? It is not fair to make a judgment about a belief system that you don't understand. Yet you are not saddened with the STAGGERING NUMBERS of DEATHS at the hands of BIG PHARMA. PHARMACEA sorcery and witchcraft. YOU absolutely cannot deny that you can trace the word prognosis back to it being prophecy. Think about what you are burning, cutting, honestly POISONING people. I hope when you think of CULTS you add the MEDICAL SYSTEM as well.
my mom’s parents were christian scientists and both died of extremely preventable cancers (ovarian and prostate, respectively) just barely past 60. the closest thing to a silver lining is that after my grandma died, my grandpa decided he should start going to the dr and that’s when they found the advanced prostate cancer, so he was at least able to live the rest of his life in less pain and suffering than he otherwise would have
I went to a Christian Scientist school growing up. I only really remember hearing the Four Gospels and "Key to the Scriptures by Mary Baker Eddy". I was an atheist for most of my life, so I never really distinguished them from the rest of Christendom. Now that I am a Christian, I have been hearing more and more about heretical CS is. Thank God none of the CS teaching had an impact on me. Thank God he showed me the fullness of Biblical Christianity!
Be original with your comments, that's old. Blow the dust off. Christian: because it encourages following Christ. Science: because it's the laws of God that can be proven by all who applies it.
@Jonathan Soko The foundation of New Age teaching is from the teachings of Mary Baker Eddy. The terms: Consciousness, Vibration, Mind, Universe, and many such like if not introduced by Mary B. Eddy, was re-introduced by her, and employed strongly, if not wrongly in New-Age terminology.
Ugh. CRINGE. This is the arrogance I repent of as an ex Christian Scientist. I am now a grateful Bible believing Jesus Freak of a Christian. I agree it's an old saying that makes me roll my eyes when I hear it, but not because it isn't factual. It's just unoriginal. CS is NOT Christian because it doesn't teach that Jesus is the Saviour and only Redeemer for our sinful nature (which is the whole point of Christianity), and NOT science because it actually ISN'T the law of God and only works through the equally non-scientific law of attraction, which is deceptive and Luciferian (ie. I will heal you through the application of my mind to your body, and you will pay me for it.) I'm ashamed of how I once thought of true Christians as "fools" for believing the Bible as the final authority, and for believing that the purpose of the crucifixion of Jesus was only to disprove the reality of death (not as the perfect sacrifice for sin once and for all). Christian Scientists eliminated the need for a Saviour by teaching that we (mankind) aren't actually sinful. I see the organization dying, and I pray every day for it to fade away entirely and for all the lost souls practicing it to repent and come to the cross for true Salvation. Unfortunately, most Christian Scientists who wake up to the lie just drop religion entirely, so Satan does end up winning after all. Few realize the need to REPENT of it. It's IDOLATRY. Stop worshipping a BOOK. Stop saying "Mrs. Eddy says..." with your "superior" noses in the air and start learning what Jesus Christ says. Actually READ the Word of God, not just portions of parts of verses parsed together to support Mrs. Eddy's uneducated opinions. She was a bitter, arrogant and proud false prophet (whose "little book" is a plagiarism) and she profited financially off the desperation of sick people like myself.
@@wberckmann No, it's not lol. Google the definition instead of leaning on your own understanding, it's the belief system of the "Church of Christ" sect. It has nothing to do with science and little to do with Jesus.
Tanner, saw a few people commenting on your verbal pauses, but I noticed that in the last quarter of this podcast you seemed a lot more confident in your speech. This is your story, and I empower you in the name of Christ to confidently and courageously speak truth!
Thank you for this! (I'm his wife.) He was definitely disappointed by the uhms and the comments about them, but it looks like many have appreciated it despite that. The second episode is much smoother as he got further into the interview :)
Agreed. I come from a JW family, and am currently trying to bring a person I met out of what I think is CS. That's why I looked up the video. I dare say there are alot of people, especially myself, who would pause in their speech alot, especially given the gravity of the topic and I'd imagine the emotional impact it has on you in particular. Thank you brother for sharing.
This is kind of you. I agree with you in prayer for Tanner. He is a spokesman for all of us former Christian Scientists who feel like nobody understands what we are coming out of. It is hard to explain. And we have been brainwashed all our lives to defend Mary Baker Eddy and believe her life story as gospel. It is still hard for me to speak against the religion I was raised in without feeling like I'm betraying my parents, the lovely folks who still attend that church that I left behind, and the beliefs I was indoctrinated with. Praise God for the renewal of my mind, in His mercy and grace, which I never learned about in Christian Science. Thank you, Tanner. Keep umming and uhhing your way through any interview you're invited to. I think it's incredibly brave and I'm grateful to you.
@@King_drew The Christian Science church disapproves of its members or adherents consuming, viewing or reading anything contradicting CS. They call it "animal magnetism" or "aggressive mental suggestion" and may be blamed for keeping you sick or suffering. It has to be all Christian Science all the time or you are in danger of not "getting your healing." The entire doctrine of Salvation and being born again is completely ignored. I am so grateful to be free and following the real Jesus Christ and heaven bound at the end of my days. Thank you, Tanner. We need more former CS'ers to speak out against it. I am concerned that with the explosion of the New Age it may get a revival in the end times and deceive many away from the gift of the Cross.
I grew up CS. Left the religion as a young adult because I wanted to live “my way” (drinking, drugging). It was a lovely way of life with a lot of love. We def went to doctors when needed. These days I’m more interested in Jesus and that’s my happy place. I learned a lot here so thank you for sharing! I didn’t know MBE was a medium! Wow! Also, you can leave CS. No one chases you or tries to make you stay. I could go back now and be welcomed. Cults don’t do that. They don’t just let you leave when you want. So there is that. :)
A cult by Christian standards is a group that calls themselves Christian but believes they have the only true interpretation of the Bible when they in reality are just warping the Bible in one way shape or form, Christian Science warps the Bible while claiming to be Christian, that is a cult.
@@bstny98 the Bible calls us to mark false teachers, “Christian” cults love to use unification as a way to try to force Christianity to accept them while ignoring the slew of passages in the Bible that say to mark false teachers, to stay away from those who profess Christianity but don’t truly follow etc. I’m sick of hearing cults like Christian Science followers, Mormons, Jehovah’s witnesses etc. try and force themselves on Christianity despite a major warping of doctrine and the Bible blatantly saying to call them out. The difference between most denominations is minor distinction in interpretation and those are the Christians we are meant to be unified with, those who warp doctrine dramatically are meant to be marked and avoided. If you think I’m wrong then read the Bible because it says it in plain english, it doesn’t even have to be interpreted because it’s literally spelled out clear as day.
Not all cults act the same way. CS is a cult, not because they force people to stay, but what makes it a cult is the exclusion of conflicting information. ie: materialism, non CS biblical understandings, medical science. It is a cult of the mind.
James Hetfield's parents were Christian scientists. I believe one of the contributors of the reason his mom passed was refusal to go to Dr or clinical help. Left with a sour taste toward religion, James threw lyrics into his songs showing his disfavor. I believe, however, he's a Christian now though. Great episode!
Wow, gnosticism just can't quit. "Science and Health" book? Gotta love how every cult says "Sure the bible, AND this book." I'm so sick of all this rehashed nonsense.
They don't even say "sure the Bible" - they more or less "use" the Bible but Science and Health is their Truth. I told a CS friend if I was stranded on an island I would choose the Bible as the one book I could have, and she said, "I would choose Science and Health" and I could tell she thought that was a better answer. That's when my eyes started to open. CS is Idolatry cleverly disguised as righteousness.
They are not knowledgeable ... Christian Science is based on philosophical idealism whereby everything is the mind not materialism. Mrs Eddy probably got it from somebody like Schopenhaur who in turn was influenced by Yogacara Buddhism which is amazingly like Christain Science without the Christian bit. I was brought up as a Christian Scientist but I am Holy Spirit baptised. My Holy Spirit baptism was very powerful and was mainly the experience of love and joy. The power was so powerful I can describe it as a warm energy that felt viscous like oil that circulated around my heart. The teaching was the Jewishness of Jesus which changed my theology. I became very aware of the testimony in the Bible of the Holy Spirit and particularly in the OT like in Kings where the priests in the Jewish Temple were not able to stand to minister to the people because the glory cloud was so powerful. However, although the Spirit changed my theology I did not receive a hatred of Christian Science or of any other religion or to create theoligical division. Tanner mentions Martin Luther in part 2 of these videos as somebody better to follow and yet Martin Luther was virulently anti-semitic. Also, out of the reformation came a new biblical canon that excluded books of the Catholic canon that were later found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were Hebrew versions of these books and these books had been excluded by protestantism because old enough versions of them did not exist at that time. That is until they found the Dead Sea Scrolls. My view is that Christian Science has a lot to offer if you can make genuine discernments of what is relevant and what is not. I used it successfully in delivering myself of something. Now Mrs Eddy would not recognise deliverance as a spirit being delivered and perhaps that is a weakness in her theology but equally it has to be said she advocates that God is the only power which is essential in deliverance. Dualism just won't wash. Also she is one of the earliest advocates of the placebo effect long before such an effect was recognised by the medical profession. Strangely too there is a lot of similarity between what the Buddhist teacher Nagarjuna teaches 2000 years ago and Quantum Physics philosophy. So sometimes truth can be found other than from the church. Let's face it guys, if we followed the church in everything we would still believe the sun moved around the earth. In conclusion nobody has a perfect theology, not even the main stream church who seem to have missed some important things about Jesus's Jewishness. I would say even part theologies have something to offer and yet in the end love for God and neighbour matter the most not division and distrust. Here is a completely different take on God and is this to be discounted too as another deceptive cult? th-cam.com/video/-IuJKabyx_g/w-d-xo.html
Mary e. said the Bible was sufficient. well, I should hope so. she does propagate error that the Bible does not teach though. her followers hardly read the Bible or not at all. here are some of my experiences. after church talking to one lady her response was: "The Bible? That book! I don't have anything to do with it " from a practitioner: "what is all this stuff about blood. blood sacrifices?" (my reply was the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. Her look was priceless. Another practitioner told me MBE was THE comforter. Another said we are God. Another somehow found out I had given a sizeable amount of money in tithe and came up to me and said "YOU can't buy your salvation". She also accused me of not attending a service when I did after being invited but she didn't have the decency to find me to sit by her. Another time the congregation was invited to stay after service to vote on Christmas songs. I stayed but when I raised my hand to vote a couple of women said " you're not a member you can't vote!" My experience has been good and way bad. the rivalry and jealousy is a huge problem with the women. HUGE! they are so blind to it, too. I cannot stand jealously and parted with several of them. one even snuck and took a picture of me walking away in my bathing suit that was not flattering. WHO does that? As long as you are giving and doing something for them, favors they ask for, you are acknowledged but if you don't you are ostracized. So, reality is we all want to fellowship and be with Christians who love Jesus Christ and care for one another but you will NOT find that in the Christian Science Churches. I've been to many of them and enough churches to make comparisons. You may find nice. You may find spirituality. You may find decency. It's up to you to seek God thru Jesus Christ and be AWARE that noone has a corner on the truth. Your needs may be met in the Christian Science Church. I found many wonderful concepts. "God is all" "God is always good and expressing himself in goodness" but to be clear: we are ONLY made perfect, blameless, holy, and cleansed from all sin by the one and ONLY sacrifice of the blood of the one and only savior Jesus Christ--our Lord only by confession of him being our LORD. know your Bible. Love and blessings to all who read this and get it.
What you have to understand about Christian Science is that its practice involves a great sacrifice of self to be practiced correctly. The problem is everybody recognises there is a price to pay but few wish to pay it. I healed the son of well known actor of a blood clot on the brain. He acknowledged the healing but did not want to walk the road. I have studied CS for over 50 years but it took me the best part of 30 years to master its practice. But it is worth it because i find i can now heal others. I cannot abide watching others suffer and CS is the only way I have found to end their suffering effectively.
Bog te blagoslovio Moje ime je Daniel Cesar, imam 54 godine i živim u Hrvatskoj. Prije manje od 3 godine doživio sam živčani slom i završio u mentalnoj bolnici. Dijagnosticirana mi je teška depresija i specifičan poremećaj osobnosti. Od tada su mi mnogo puta mijenjali terapiju, ali ništa me nije potaknulo da ozdravim. Sve to vrijeme nisam ni radio, tako da nisam financijski neovisna. Stalno sam kod kuće i tražim nadu na internetu, tako sam došao na web stranicu Kršćanske znanosti i odlučio sam vam se obratiti intuicijom. Možete li mi ponizno pomoći, molim vas. Mogu li poslati svoju sliku kako biste se mogli moliti za mene? Stvarno sam u očajnom stanju. Bog te blagoslovio
I am an X-CS. You did a good job here; I am used to slander and lies about CS. This discussion was fair and factual. CS opened my mind to a God who can heal, and I have had several medically validated physical healings. However, when I encountered God and heaven, I immediately saw that CS was wrong. I saw that physical creation is real and God loves it. I could no longer be CS. Mrs. Eddy was pioneering recovering the healing power that Jesus tried to give us. Some of her ideas were very good. Some were very damaging. Everyone gets some things right and some things wrong. Mrs. Eddy really messed up when she claimed to be the final revelation of God. But that's what cult leaders do. It takes a lot of work for someone raised in CS to find their way out of the wrong teachings. My only correction is that I never heard anyone in CS say that "we are God". Saying that "God is Spirit" and "Man is Spirit" is not necessarily saying that man is God. If Mrs. Eddy really thought that once, she stopped saying it near the start. CS was a very lonely religion because it says "God is Impersonal Principle". And showing compassion for suffering was seen as giving in to suffering. I now think that compassion is an expression of love. The real Jesus came to embrace humanity and human life. Jesus showed affection. He did not come to have us escape. I think that God as defined in CS is the image and likeness of Mrs. Eddy. The CS God has all the personality flaws of Mrs. Eddy. She made a religion that manifested her personality, the good and the bad.
The best way to understand Christian Science is to read the book, Science and Health with key to the Scriptures by Mary Baker Eddy and learn for yourself what it teaches rather than listen to someone else's interpretation of it, which may be flawed. The book helps us to understand the deep spiritual meaning of the Bible and serves the purpose within the Christian Science church that in other churches is served by a preacher reading Scripture and explaining how to put it into practice in daily life. I am a Christian Science practitioner and have first hand experiences of people being healed based on prayer as Jesus taught us. In fact, Jesus said, "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also." This is exactly what Christian Scientists are endeavoring to do and are doing. We accept the Virgin birth, have one God, accept Christ Jesus as our Savior and try to follow him in every way he commanded.
Do you believe that Jesus IS God? If not, why not? Can you share with me some scriptures from the Bible that back up your beliefs? Thank you for your time.
True, read the book Science and Health yourself, I had many healings by reading this book alone. I was born a muslim and my father was an imam and a preacher in many mosques. I converted to Christian Science because it changes my life for the better in health, financial and human relationships.
Christian Science is based on philosophical idealism whereby everything is the mind not materialism. Mrs Eddy probably got it from somebody like Schopenhaur who in turn was influenced by Yogacara Buddhism which is amazingly like Christain Science without the Christian bit. I was brought up as a Christian Scientist but I am Holy Spirit baptised. My Holy Spirit baptism was very powerful and was mainly the experience of love and joy. The power was so powerful I can describe it as a warm energy that felt viscous like oil that circulated around my heart. The teaching was the Jewishness of Jesus which changed my theology. I became very aware of the testimony in the Bible of the Holy Spirit and particularly in the OT like in Kings where the priests in the Jewish Temple were not able to stand to minister to the people because the glory cloud was so powerful. However, although the Spirit changed my theology I did not receive a hatred of Christian Science or of any other religion or to create theoligical division. Tanner mentions Martin Luther in part 2 of these videos as somebody better to follow and yet Martin Luther was virulently anti-semitic. Also, out of the reformation came a new biblical canon that excluded books of the Catholic canon that were later found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were Hebrew versions of these books and these books had been excluded by protestantism because old enough versions of them did not exist at that time. That is until they found the Dead Sea Scrolls. My view is that Christian Science has a lot to offer if you can make genuine discernments of what is relevant and what is not. I used it successfully in delivering myself of something. Now Mrs Eddy would not recognise deliverance as a spirit being delivered and perhaps that is a weakness in her theology but equally it has to be said she advocates that God is the only power which is essential in deliverance. Dualism just won't wash. Also she is one of the earliest advocates of the placebo effect long before such an effect was recognised by the medical profession. Strangely too there is a lot of similarity between what the Buddhist teacher Nagarjuna teaches 2000 years ago and Quantum Physics philosophy. So sometimes truth can be found other than from the church. Let's face it guys, if we followed the church in everything we would still believe the sun moved around the earth. In conclusion nobody has a perfect theology, not even the main stream church who seem to have missed some important things about Jesus's Jewishness. I would say even part theologies have something to offer and yet in the end love for God and neighbour matter the most not division and distrust. Here is a completely different take on God and is this to be discounted too as another deceptive cult? th-cam.com/video/-IuJKabyx_g/w-d-xo.html
Went to the Christian Reading center on Hollywood blvd. I met four different attendants. They were very respectful! I really enjoyed it. They gave me feeling of hope.
Jesus Christ is the hope. social needs being met by nice ladies does not substitute for the fact that Jesus, the Christ, is the only Lord and Saviour. many of those ladies do not believe that.
Interesting interview. Tanner sure knows a lot of perifery and secular history from his studies. all of these histories are not commonly known or taught in our community. I'm not sure it's intentional omission, but it's a part of our history that is not passed down Gen to generation. I was raised in Christian science and I found this hard to follow, so good for those who did follow it. 1866 and there abouts was a spiritual Renaissance in America. Fascinating to study. I learned a few new things:) I, like Tanner, loved my religious practices as a youth/young adult and had a happy, healthy childhood, and as an adult I can see the cross-over between Christian Science and other spiritual and mental health practices like: daily meditation and positive thinking and contributing to society in a beneficial- for - others way, and a happy healthy life. I had many healings and still have a lot of gratitude for the people I met and the teachings of Christian Science, even though I no longer practice (am an active member who prays daily and attend services, etc. ) it's surprising to me that tanner has said (perhaps in another interview?) that he doesn't know many csers who study the Bible front to back or read the science and health cover to cover. I did and was encourage by my Sunday school to do so. I even, often would read beyond the selected citations chosesn for weekly study of the Bible and the science&heath. These later practices meant more to me as an adult, when I was more curious about the history that resulted in the Bible stories being recorded and selected for what we know as the Bible today. I'd also like to say to tanner how sorry I was to hear he lost so many relationships as he left Christian Science. I'm glad his family survived and recovered from that.... I would think the easier transition was due to the immediate joining of another religious church rt away.
I was brought up in a Christian Science family for which I am very grateful, I feel so fortunate to have had a Christian Science childhood. I'm not a church goer at present, most CS churches here in UK have mostly disappeared in last twenty years. In my experience CS can in no way be described as cult like, quite the opposite. Anyway all the best to everyone
He mentions that he wasn't allowed to have another job when he was a healer. This is the case. Many healers suffer in massive poverty due to this (others have spouses or secret income). Sign of a cult .... trapping someone in poverty so its economically impossible for them to leave.
I hear you. I think the point of being a healer only is not to restrict one's income it is to be devoted day and night to prayerful work for your clients. And I think the construct was from a perspective of a religion that would be flush with members, therefore one could easily make a living. But our churches are nearly empty and I can't see why that would be a requirement still. Plus, not every Christian Scientist would use a practioner unless they needed extra support. Otherwise I would agree with you, because that is often happening in high demand religions.
Yes I agree very informative. But then we need to be reminded of where we can listen to good and sound and Biblical theology and doctrine!! Very important step! Jacob Prasch, Sandy Simpson, Dave Hunt, a couple of the Biblical sound teachers.
Christian Science is based on philosophical idealism whereby everything is the mind not materialism. Mrs Eddy probably got it from somebody like Schopenhaur who in turn was influenced by Yogacara Buddhism which is amazingly like Christain Science without the Christian bit. I was brought up as a Christian Scientist but I am Holy Spirit baptised. My Holy Spirit baptism was very powerful and was mainly the experience of love and joy. The power was so powerful I can describe it as a warm energy that felt viscous like oil that circulated around my heart. The teaching was the Jewishness of Jesus which changed my theology. I became very aware of the testimony in the Bible of the Holy Spirit and particularly in the OT like in Kings where the priests in the Jewish Temple were not able to stand to minister to the people because the glory cloud was so powerful. However, although the Spirit changed my theology I did not receive a hatred of Christian Science or of any other religion or to create theoligical division. Tanner mentions Martin Luther in part 2 of these videos as somebody better to follow and yet Martin Luther was virulently anti-semitic. Also, out of the reformation came a new biblical canon that excluded books of the Catholic canon that were later found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were Hebrew versions of these books and these books had been excluded by protestantism because old enough versions of them did not exist at that time. That is until they found the Dead Sea Scrolls. My view is that Christian Science has a lot to offer if you can make genuine discernments of what is relevant and what is not. I used it successfully in delivering myself of something. Now Mrs Eddy would not recognise deliverance as a spirit being delivered and perhaps that is a weakness in her theology but equally it has to be said she advocates that God is the only power which is essential in deliverance. Dualism just won't wash. Also she is one of the earliest advocates of the placebo effect long before such an effect was recognised by the medical profession. Strangely too there is a lot of similarity between what the Buddhist teacher Nagarjuna teaches 2000 years ago and Quantum Physics philosophy. So sometimes truth can be found other than from the church. Let's face it guys, if we followed the church in everything we would still believe the sun moved around the earth. In conclusion nobody has a perfect theology, not even the main stream church who seem to have missed some important things about Jesus's Jewishness. I would say even part theologies have something to offer and yet in the end love for God and neighbour matter the most not division and distrust. Here is a completely different take on God and is this to be discounted too as another deceptive cult? th-cam.com/video/-IuJKabyx_g/w-d-xo.html
There is a christian science church across the catholic church that is walking distance from where I live. I feel like it was planted or something. I have been getting into my Christian faith, and I was looking for churches to go to, and I saw this one. I am SO GLAD I never looked into it because it is such a cult & bad news for new believers walking in their new faith with God.
Very informative but a little hard to follow because of this gentleman’s constant hesitations in his speech and his inability to pronounce the word “scientists”. He leaves out the “t”.
Sorry about that. The way the video was done I couldn't see Jeremiah and Andrew, which made it harder. But I am also not the best at impromptu speaking. I'd appreciate prayers that God would loosen my tongue! I'm sorry it was difficult to listen to!
@@TannerJohnsrud you did a great job brother. It would be daunting to talk to Cultish and nervous also because you're exposing the darkness. Thank you for your boldness and courage. God's blessings upon you. Your sister Donna
if you are truly a Christian, you will follow the teachings of Jesus, follow the Golden Rule and respect your fellow followers of Christ. It's hypocritical to lash out at other Christians, because you don't understand their teachings, and then call yourself a Christian. have you read the book? have you reached out to a practitioner or other Christian Scientist for prayer to support your healing? I have had literally hundreds of healings, physical, financial and otherwise, by practicing the theology taught in Science and Health, both through my own prayers and the prayers of other followers of Christian Science. so I can attest to the fact that it is a provable, demonstrable Science. I don't like to say, "it works" (altho it does); instead i prefer to say, "It expresses Truth". thank you for reading this and sending love and blessings to all my fellow followers of Christ
I've read it growing up and lemme tell u, not impressed. He was spot on, even as a now pagan. Ur just having kneejerk reaction cuz sumone spoke out against CS. Sorry sumone spoke out against a religion running constant pr campaigns to cover the mass graves of children who's parents decided they'd take their chances and "pray about it."
@@ronwerks And there are massive graves of children and adults who died going to a doctor. Life on this earth is limited. Infinite spiritual life is not.
Hard to imagine that everyone is just an idea of god, yet god is simplified down to a universal principle. So how can a universal principle have such complex ideas such as a universe with humans in it?
my mom’s parents were christian scientists. apparently they were really good people (including supporting my mom deciding to stop going to church and following any religion from about 12) but ill never know for sure since they both died of extremely preventable cancers before i was born
It's amazing how many Christian denominations are called cults by other denominations. All it seems to take is a charismatic leader such as modern televangelists.
This is a major theological difference. Scripture says in 1 John 4 that we are able to determine if a spirit is from God, by whether hey say Jesus Christ came in the flesh. If they say He did they are from God and if not they aren't. That's a central doctrine. One of the few essential pieces of doctrine in the Christian community. Without it one isn't a Christian. It's a different category. Jesus cannot rise bodily from the dead if there is no body. And denying Yahweh as God is a profane.
The only way to form an opinion is to read the book and practice it yourself; to listen to someone else's biased view is hardly objective. If you read Science and Health with an open mind, and then incorporate the principles in your life, you might be surprised to find yourself healed of whatever ails you at the moment. And you might also find an uplifting way to experience life in general. But if you read it with a biased negative view to begin with, you deprive yourself of the opportunity to experience the good that is there. People really do get healed from studying the principles upon which Christian Science is based. i know, because I am one of them
I grew up in Christian, my mother was Christian Scientist and my father was not but i went to C.S. Sunday school and else. I never became a Church member, neither of the filial church (local church) nor of the Mother Church in Boston. I’m not a member now and i can’t say at i at all that i practice. I was about 19 the last time i went to CS church but most people in my large family are Christian Scientist but NON of them are Christian Science practitioners and a couple are pillars of the church. I still have Christian Scientist friends. I’m sorry but this gentleman doesn’t have his information correct. Thera are important, very important statements he made that are wrong. 1) Class instruction is NOT to become a Christian Science practitioner. That is what most people that are NOT really in Christian Science think. A Christian Science practitioner is not a healer as most people think. Class instruction is really the very first step to know/learn about Christian Science. If one CHOOSES, once becoming a local church member or a member of the Mother church in Boston, it is OPTIONAL, to take class instruction. The first time, better said, the first year it is a week of class instruction. The following years is a day to tree. There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that someone can become a Christian Science PRACTITIONER after C.S. Class Instruction!!! People from other faiths/denominations who want to learn about Christian Science can also take Class instruction. To become an OFFICIAL, what in C.S is called an ENLISTED Christian Science practitioner, recognized by the Mother Church in Boston (which is the ONLY way to become a Christian Science practitioner) is DEFINITELY not easy. It takes YEARS as a full practicing mature adult with FINANCIAL independence to become a Christian Science practitioner. There are MANY requirements to become a Christian Science practitioner, starting with financial independence. In my 57 year i have only known 1 Christian Science practitioner who was 34 years of age, the majority are in their 40s, 50s and 60s I’m typing with from my cell phone, i wish i had my laptop to type more freely and i could probably explain the larger inconsistencies this gentleman shows/communicates in this interview regarding Christian Science.
Enlightening. I have a friend who is a CS healer and I wanted to understand a bit more. I’m wondering why they still have reading rooms if the purpose isn’t to heal (there) or proselytize and you can buy the books online. 🤨
Just posting this again for you. I grew up in Christian Science, my mother was Christian Scientist and my father was not but i went to C.S. Sunday school and else. I never became a Church member, neither of the filial church (local church) nor of the Mother Church in Boston. I’m not a member now and i can’t say at all that i practice. I was about 19 the last time i went to CS church but most people in my large family are Christian Scientist but NON of them are Christian Science practitioners and a couple of them are pillars of the church. I still have Christian Scientist friends. I’m sorry but this gentleman doesn’t have his information correct. Thera are important, very important statements he made that are wrong. 1) Class instruction is NOT to become a Christian Science practitioner. That is what most people that are NOT really in Christian Science think. A Christian Science practitioner is not a healer as most people think. Class instruction is really the very first step to know/learn about Christian Science. If one CHOOSES, once becoming a local church member or a member of the Mother church in Boston, it is OPTIONAL, to take class instruction. The first time, better said, the first year it is a week of class instruction. The following years is a day to tree. There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that someone can become a Christian Science PRACTITIONER after C.S. Class Instruction!!! People from other faiths/denominations who want to learn about Christian Science can also take Class instruction. To become an OFFICIAL, what in C.S is called an ENLISTED Christian Science practitioner, recognized by the Mother Church in Boston (which is the ONLY way to become a Christian Science practitioner) is DEFINITELY not easy. It takes YEARS as a full practicing mature adult with FINANCIAL independence to become a Christian Science practitioner. There are MANY requirements to become a Christian Science practitioner, starting with financial independence. In my 57 year i have only known 1 Christian Science practitioner who was 34 years of age, the majority are in their 40s, 50s and 60s I’m typing with from my cell phone, i wish i had my laptop to type more freely and i could probably explain the larger inconsistencies this gentleman shows/communicates in this interview regarding Christian Science.
This guy was a church goer. Attending a Christian Science church or your family history in Christian Science DOESN'T MAKE YOU A CHRISTIAN SCIENTIST. Even his narration about Christian Science is so shallow and inaccurate.
It was difficult to follow this guy, maybe he was nervous, but I liked how he draw an outline for all the groups linked to CS beliefs. USA exists because of religious freedom. Pure Christianity doesn't exist, we're either interpreters or followers. May God lead us to Him, whichever the route is.
Soooo reality is a shared illusion shaped by the strength of our thoughts. Like the warp in Warhammer 40k. They also want to become God. They are literally chaos cultists from 40k.
I was born Catholic. Since birth I had been able to communicate with spirit. I have psychic abilities, I never asked for them I was just born this way. My parents always understood I was different. During my late teens I found Wicca and there is lots of misunderstandings and brainwashing around that cult/religion. We are energy, eternal beings who can heal ourselves and others because we are Gods with little gs. In my late 20ths I found Christian Science and I am a proud Christian Scientists, I do have Catholicism background and Christian background and I fully understand it all. And I am very happy where I am right now.
It's good to have a public education. Parents should let their children interact with people from different cultures and religions and economic background You can't get this in private education.
Not well informed. You have been told little ... Christian Science is based on philosophical idealism whereby everything is the mind not materialism. Mrs Eddy probably got it from somebody like Schopenhaur who in turn was influenced by Yogacara Buddhism which is amazingly like Christain Science without the Christian bit. I was brought up as a Christian Scientist but I am Holy Spirit baptised. My Holy Spirit baptism was very powerful and was mainly the experience of love and joy. The power was so powerful I can describe it as a warm energy that felt viscous like oil that circulated around my heart. The teaching was the Jewishness of Jesus which changed my theology. I became very aware of the testimony in the Bible of the Holy Spirit and particularly in the OT like in Kings where the priests in the Jewish Temple were not able to stand to minister to the people because the glory cloud was so powerful. However, although the Spirit changed my theology I did not receive a hatred of Christian Science or of any other religion or to create theoligical division. Tanner mentions Martin Luther in part 2 of these videos as somebody better to follow and yet Martin Luther was virulently anti-semitic. Also, out of the reformation came a new biblical canon that excluded books of the Catholic canon that were later found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were Hebrew versions of these books and these books had been excluded by protestantism because old enough versions of them did not exist at that time. That is until they found the Dead Sea Scrolls. My view is that Christian Science has a lot to offer if you can make genuine discernments of what is relevant and what is not. I used it successfully in delivering myself of something. Now Mrs Eddy would not recognise deliverance as a spirit being delivered and perhaps that is a weakness in her theology but equally it has to be said she advocates that God is the only power which is essential in deliverance. Dualism just won't wash. Also she is one of the earliest advocates of the placebo effect long before such an effect was recognised by the medical profession. Strangely too there is a lot of similarity between what the Buddhist teacher Nagarjuna teaches 2000 years ago and Quantum Physics philosophy. So sometimes truth can be found other than from the church. Let's face it guys, if we followed the church in everything we would still believe the sun moved around the earth. In conclusion nobody has a perfect theology, not even the main stream church who seem to have missed some important things about Jesus's Jewishness. I would say even part theologies have something to offer and yet in the end love for God and neighbour matter the most not division and distrust. Here is a completely different take on God and is this to be discounted too as another deceptive cult? th-cam.com/video/-IuJKabyx_g/w-d-xo.html
It would be my guess that he was a total and complete failure since a CS practitioner needs to be someone who can speak English with some degree of intelligence.
Not excellent at all ... Christian Science is based on philosophical idealism whereby everything is the mind not materialism. Mrs Eddy probably got it from somebody like Schopenhaur who in turn was influenced by Yogacara Buddhism which is amazingly like Christain Science without the Christian bit. I was brought up as a Christian Scientist but I am Holy Spirit baptised. My Holy Spirit baptism was very powerful and was mainly the experience of love and joy. The power was so powerful I can describe it as a warm energy that felt viscous like oil that circulated around my heart. The teaching was the Jewishness of Jesus which changed my theology. I became very aware of the testimony in the Bible of the Holy Spirit and particularly in the OT like in Kings where the priests in the Jewish Temple were not able to stand to minister to the people because the glory cloud was so powerful. However, although the Spirit changed my theology I did not receive a hatred of Christian Science or of any other religion or to create theoligical division. Tanner mentions Martin Luther in part 2 of these videos as somebody better to follow and yet Martin Luther was virulently anti-semitic. Also, out of the reformation came a new biblical canon that excluded books of the Catholic canon that were later found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were Hebrew versions of these books and these books had been excluded by protestantism because old enough versions of them did not exist at that time. That is until they found the Dead Sea Scrolls. My view is that Christian Science has a lot to offer if you can make genuine discernments of what is relevant and what is not. I used it successfully in delivering myself of something. Now Mrs Eddy would not recognise deliverance as a spirit being delivered and perhaps that is a weakness in her theology but equally it has to be said she advocates that God is the only power which is essential in deliverance. Dualism just won't wash. Also she is one of the earliest advocates of the placebo effect long before such an effect was recognised by the medical profession. Strangely too there is a lot of similarity between what the Buddhist teacher Nagarjuna teaches 2000 years ago and Quantum Physics philosophy. So sometimes truth can be found other than from the church. Let's face it guys, if we followed the church in everything we would still believe the sun moved around the earth. In conclusion nobody has a perfect theology, not even the main stream church who seem to have missed some important things about Jesus's Jewishness. I would say even part theologies have something to offer and yet in the end love for God and neighbour matter the most not division and distrust. Here is a completely different take on God and is this to be discounted too as another deceptive cult? th-cam.com/video/-IuJKabyx_g/w-d-xo.html
It is interesting that many health insurance plans pay benefits for prayer Christian Science practioners visits.I thought insurance companies are stricter than that. Do C. S. have any political clout and practioner guidelines like other alternate health practices like chiropractic, acupuncture, and nutritionists. Do they have to be certified by their church and the state to charge patients? Can they be sued as well ? Lol He mentioned he had no formal training in the sciences? All other practioners that charge a fee need credentials and training certificates/licenses.
I appreciate the information but it's really important to take great care that you are not calling out your own brothers and sisters cult followers and thus causing division in the church. I went to a word of faith church and they were very well balanced in the bible teachings. I was not part of a cult! I know a lot of people who come out of cults are very weary of anything that seems to have resemblance to them but we must be led by the Holy Spirit not just the law. Not fear. We were taught repentance, and the holiness of God and the precious blood of The Lamb of God Jesus Christ sanctification justification only through Christ, by the stripes of Jesus I am healed, I have a functional relationship with God our father! Please exercise caution and wisdom and most importantly love. I have family members who are Christian scientist and I pray for their salvation. There are many bible believing legitimate churches who capitalize on certain revelations they received from Father but that does not mean they are Cult either. I grew up going to a baptist church and I am so grateful for this foundation but they did not teach me that by His stripes I am healed as Jesus said I could and pray for the healing of others and have them recover.They did not teach me that I can get baptized in the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues as in the book acts. I needed healing and I had depression and all I got was counseling , I eventually walked away from Christianity and into new age. I was still hungry and still searching till I came back 7 years later God brought me back home but to a word of faith church where I was shown scripturally God can help me NOW and loves me that much to be a part of every aspect of my life so I can give him glory and bless others. Though I know that church nor any church has its faults, the Holy Spirit is my teacher and I o to another church now even more balanced. Though the baptist church I grew up in had its shortcomings and did not teach me the full truth I refuse to call them anything but my brothers and sisters in Christ.
‘By his stripes we are healed’ is from Isaiah 53. It’s not talking about physical healing, but that those who believe in Jesus Christ and his atoning death on the cross have been reconciled to God and ‘healed’ from spiritual death to everlasting life in the Son. God can heal and does at times for sure, but the context of that passage is talking about that through Jesus’ wounds and shed blood on the cross, we who believe are (present tense) redeemed and have peace with God. This is a typical word of faith/ faith healer go to passage and they never seem to read it in context. If it meant that through his stripes we are healed physically, then no believer should be ill or suffering from health conditions etc.. God bless.
Mr Man There is so much in the the Bible that says it is Gods will to heal. Sin is what opened the door to all sickness. But I will not argue. God has already shown me His character His compassion and I cannot be convinced otherwise. How we receive our healing is between the individual and God. I love reading the New Testament because it is a bit more straightforward for me. Jesus is with us and He is the healer AND the one who forgives and washes us He is our all in all our Lord our savior the one we can go to for everything. It is not for me to say where your walk or anyone’s walk with God is but I know Him and continue to grow in Him. So yah I got some Baptist, I got some word of faith, I got some Holiness, I got some nondenominational! Cheers
Is anyone else having trouble following him due to the insane amount of times the guest says "um". Ahhhhh.. it's getting irritating and distracting may need to skip this one.
It is the worst presentation I have ever heard anywhere anytime. This speaker should not have been chosen to present this material. The material is so disjointed that he does not give a fair description of CS.
Cult? Christian Science meetings entail absolutely no preaching and are unfettered by human hypothesis. One person reads directly from the Bible and another reads from Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures. Plainly put; You are on your Own. C.S is an independent study and growth in spiritual development. No one is going to adopt you. Take it or leave it. That's my experience 💙
Definitely not. I grew up in Christian Science. The CULT of Christian Science has a lot wrong biblically. I read my Bible and was saved from that false religion. You should do the same. If you truly want to understand, read.
With Jesus you can be as far from God as Solomon when he burned insence to Baal yet still be in Gods bosom. God's grace can be mighty mighty severe. I spent some of my most backsliding days in Christian science which I belonged to for over 25 years.
Though interesting, listening to the presentation was excruciating in the way the presenter discussed it: start/stop... “umm...umm”, very hard to listen. Is there any other resources for understanding the main specific differences between Christian Science and Christianity? Thank you
There are no "differences" between Christian Science and Christianity. This religion is definitely Christian and the reason for the word Science is that it is based on divine law.
Those 430 editions he mentions ... those are not re-prints or changes in formatting, but each one consisted of changes by MBE. Not just sentences, but often theological things. For example, in the early editions she cites the Bhagavad Gita. That was taken out to make it more Christian. Yet, this was a divine revelation .... that god had to fix 429 to get it right. LOL Imagine 430 different versions of the 10 Commandments until Moses got the message right.
cs is a cult b/c it is not true to the Bible. MBE defined Jesus as 'the highest human corporeal concept of the divine idea' (S&H glossary), while the Bible tells us that Jesus is the Son of God, who came to earth to save the world (john 3:16, Romans 10:9-10, John 14:6, Acts 16:30-31, and countless other verses). While cs teaches that sin is error and therefore doesn't exist, the Bible is clear that we are all sinners (Romans 3:23). The Bible is God's word. and every bit of it is true. MBE chose to just use what fit her needs, and then do a little re-writing. One of MBE's favorite verses was 'Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free'. Do you want to know the truth about MBE? Mary Baker Eddy: The truth and the tradition, by John V. Dittemore (1932), and Mrs Eddy: The biography of a virginal mind, by Edwin Dakin (1932), are both brutally honest. God bless
@@goodgirlkay actually cs encourages people to take the path they are most comfortable with. Not everyone can pray an illness away. According to your understanding....a lot of cs members go to hospitals. It is unfortunate that those parents did not see fit to get their children physical help. But not all of cs is like that
@@okikeure7422 While it is true that Christian Science is based off the Bible, cs is not true to the message of the Bible. I was shocked the day I learned that as a Christian Scientist, I was not a Christian. It hit me like a ton of bricks. For Christians believe that Jesus is our Savior, that he died for our sins, and if we will believe in our hearts that this is true, we will receive His Salvation and have eternal life. I was a Christian Scientist all my life, but never heard this message. Yet it is repeated throughout the Bible, over and over. John 3:16 and Romans 10:9-10 are two great examples. May God bless you on your journey to find the truth.
I Am Carolyn Suzanna Edwards, Of Barbados West Indies. I Am A Practicing Christian Scientist Practitioner. People Every Day That Comes In Contact With Me, Are Being Heal. It Is The Basis Of Christian Science To Rely On God For Healing. The Founder And Leader Of Christian Science, Mary Baker Eddy, Was Very ILL The Doctors Had Given Up On Her, And She Asked To Be Left Alone With Her Bible. By Reading Her Bible She Was Completely Healed. So That Enlightened Her Understanding That There Is A Healing Basis In The Bible KJV. Christian Science Is A Very Pure Spiritual Teachings, Perfect God , Perfect Man. Made In The Image And Likeness Of God. I Was Healed Through The Study And Application Of Christian Science, By The Christian Scientist Practitioner, Mr Enrique Smeke CSB Of AIDS. Completely Healed.
Words are very important. The Bible mentions the tongue and that it’s a rudder. The world was made by the word. Jesus said we will be judged by every thought and word (which is somewhat daunting). The Bible is big on faith, without it we cannot please God, it says. So it seems to me that other religions/pastors didn’t get the idea of watching what you say from cs, it first came from the Bible.
I went to a Christian Science meeting on a Sunday on Christmas Day. It had the feeling of being in a cult, and there was absolutely no mention of Christmas. I was thinking “I’m never going to a Christian Science building ever again.”
Most of what he is saying aligns with what Judaism says. As in, there is no original sin, God is not a person, this video actually made me say hmmm maybe Christian Science is closer to Judaism then Protestantism.
There has been nothing exposed but a poor guy who failed miserable at helping anyone with the Science. Poor man had to trash the whole thing ...hundreds of testimonials that are true. I was shot and died for 4 hours and it was ELOHIM and Christian Science that helped me recover
E.w. kenyon "natural man can develop his spirit until it becomes a force in him. We see this in Christian Science, Unity, Spiritualism and other psychological religions. This is the natural, unregenerated human spirit being cultivated. The human spirit is naturally very religious, because it is God hungry. Christinity is God's answer to the hunger of the human spirit. Every human religion attempts to answer this hunger and fails." the hidden man. Page 26 In my opinion. Most people who fear "word of faith" heresy, go extremely the opposite and believe in a false definition of the sovereignty of God as determinism.
If this guy is trying to make a case against Christian Science he’s failing miserably and I’m 36 minutes in. I came here looking for a good argument against CS. He sounds like he’s lying because he’s thinking way too hard about what he’s saying and taking way too many pauses just to spit out one sentence. If he really believed what he’s saying it shouldn’t be that hard to say it. If you ask me I think there’s probably way more truth to Christian Science than he cares to reveal. Maybe it is off on somethings and that’s why he’s trying to make a case, but he failed to convince me.
It’s just a speech issue bro. He’s clearly not comfortable on camera, but that has nothing to do with his truthfulness. He struck me as a very honest and sincere person who discovered how unbiblical C.S. teachings are and wants to help warn others
They make so much money out of that church in Boston. They have so many buildings where these "preachers" live at. They rent buildings and offices to north eastern university, Dalton Hotel etc. Is just not a church. Is a huge building generating money. Hustlers just like Mary was.
Curious: Are there similarities between Christian Science and the Church of Scientology? Both seem to rely on "science" in their belief systems. Thoughts?
no they are antithetical. in the Christian Science church, we follow the theology and its practice voluntarily. There is no coercion. It is a choice, a practice, and a Christian way of life. if a member chooses to go to a dr., they are not removed or ostracized. most members choose prayer over other means of healing, but by no means are they forced to do anything against their will. also, the issue of medicine vs. prayer is not the essence of Christian Science -- it is a voluntary acceptance of certain spiritual principles which are taught and can be lived and proven when correctly applied
@@toddwilburn2988 and thank you for your open-mindedness. Christian Science got a bad rap because like every group, there are a few extremists; but your average christian scientist uses common sense and will make wise, sound decisions, according to the situation
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Christianity as a whole is a cult with super weird belifs, pedophilia, horrible weird beliefs, charismatic leaders etc.
My mom, aunt and grandma are still in the religion. Speaking from experience, Christian Science is truly a completely different way of looking at the world. It shapes people’s entire way of thinking and can be very difficult to get out for many people.
This is so true.
I too was raised as a Christian Scientist. Now I am a Bible believing Christian. The family is still involved deeply. When someone showed me from the Word of God that Jesus was God, then I had to either consider Him a liar or believe every thing He said. Praise God the Lord opened my eyes to the truth. CS is a convoluted mix of all kinds of religions and is based on metaphysical incoherence. Christian Scientists are moral, loving and non-aggressive. They are kind and law abiding, but oh so very lost! I understand this fellow’s difficulty in explaining what CS beliefs are-they are grounded in one woman’s disjointed and demonic-inspired thoughts. What a great joy it was to have my mind renewed by God and to believe the truth of God’s Word.
Evie, if you read this, please consider joining the Fellowship of Former Christian Scientists Facebook group at facebook.com/groups/304891006385178/. We'd love to hear more of your testimony!
I had a similar experience. Thanks.
Jesus is not God he has a God
@@OrpheoCruz Jesus is not God
You have work to do; look here as I show you what the Bible says,
Numbers 23:19
👉God is NOT a MAN, that He should lie, or a son of man, that He should change His mind. Does He speak and not act? Does He promise and not fulfill?
JOHN 4
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24👉God is SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Mark 16:19
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.👈
JOHN 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.👈
Isaiah 45:5
“I am the LORD, and there is none else,
there is👉 NO God beside me:
I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:”
JESUS IS sitting next to God and God says there's NO God beside him, then Jesus is NOT God.}}}✝️
Mark 10:17
“And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”
Mark 10:18
“And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou ME good? 👈 there is none good but one, that is, God.”👈💜
King James Version (KJV)
Jesus says that the invisible Spirit the ALMIGHTY GOD is the one and ONLY good God and denies that he as a flesh and blood man can be GOD.}}}✝️
Jesus was called "SON of God" and "The Son of Man"}}}}✝️
JOHN 11:27
She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
Mark 14:21
The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
Jesus says that he and God are one and,that to see him is to see God because Jesus always OBEYED God the FATHER and pleased God by reflecting God's word in doing God's works.}}}✝️
John 1:18
No man hath seen God👈at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
I am a chemist, and Christian. I just learned I am not a Christian scientist...
Well, duh. You have to pick one or the other.
@@OfAngelsAndAnarchistno, quite the opposite
@@uganda_mn397 no, it’s one or the other.
One is where you believe in magic and the other is where you laugh in the face of beliefs
Beliefs never built anything but social rules lol
@@OfAngelsAndAnarchist the more i look into sciences, the more i become firm in my Faith
It isn't science, it is the philosohpy of many scientists that makes it appear as such.
I can give you my reasons if you'd be interested
@@uganda_mn397 is that right? I’m glad you’ve told me that with whatever device you’ve used.
How about you pray a working phone into existence which doesn’t use any existing infrastructure and then we can talk about how much you doubt the validity of science ;)
Cultish is so informative. I love that you are willing to speak up and put light on the cults. I am thankful for Apologia Studios content.
Christian Science is based on philosophical idealism whereby everything is the mind not materialism. Mrs Eddy probably got it from somebody like Schopenhaur who in turn was influenced by Yogacara Buddhism which is amazingly like Christain Science without the Christian bit. I was brought up as a Christian Scientist but I am Holy Spirit baptised. My Holy Spirit baptism was very powerful and was mainly the experience of love and joy. The power was so powerful I can describe it as a warm energy that felt viscous like oil that circulated around my heart. The teaching was the Jewishness of Jesus which changed my theology. I became very aware of the testimony in the Bible of the Holy Spirit and particularly in the OT like in Kings where the priests in the Jewish Temple were not able to stand to minister to the people because the glory cloud was so powerful. However, although the Spirit changed my theology I did not receive a hatred of Christian Science or of any other religion or to create theoligical division. Tanner mentions Martin Luther in part 2 of these videos as somebody better to follow and yet Martin Luther was virulently anti-semitic. Also, out of the reformation came a new biblical canon that excluded books of the Catholic canon that were later found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were Hebrew versions of these books and these books had been excluded by protestantism because old enough versions of them did not exist at that time. That is until they found the Dead Sea Scrolls. My view is that Christian Science has a lot to offer if you can make genuine discernments of what is relevant and what is not. I used it successfully in delivering myself of something. Now Mrs Eddy would not recognise deliverance as a spirit being delivered and perhaps that is a weakness in her theology but equally it has to be said she advocates that God is the only power which is essential in deliverance. Dualism just won't wash. Also she is one of the earliest advocates of the placebo effect long before such an effect was recognised by the medical profession.
Strangely too there is a lot of similarity between what the Buddhist teacher Nagarjuna teaches 2000 years ago and Quantum Physics philosophy. So sometimes truth can be found other than from the church. Let's face it guys, if we followed the church in everything we would still believe the sun moved around the earth.
In conclusion nobody has a perfect theology, not even the main stream church who seem to have missed some important things about Jesus's Jewishness. I would say even part theologies have something to offer and yet in the end love for God and neighbour matter the most not division and distrust.
Here is a completely different take on God and is this to be discounted too as another deceptive cult?
th-cam.com/video/-IuJKabyx_g/w-d-xo.html
I was raised in it. Total mental, physical & emotional abuse. I refuted it since age 6, and counted down the days until I became an adult and moved away.
My mom was an ER RN. She was so upset when a Christian Scientist came in to her ER. The lady had breast cancer so bad that she smelled bad because the mass had rotted off her breast. I can't remember exactly but she died either within hours or days. Can't even imagine the pain that poor woman lived with for a long time. It's hard to believe that anybody who loved her would allow that.
I wonder why she went to the emergency room. Wasted a bed for someone who wanted care.
So if she cut it off and took chemo then died...you would be ok with that.??? It is not fair to make a judgment about a belief system that you don't understand. Yet you are not saddened with the STAGGERING NUMBERS of DEATHS at the hands of BIG PHARMA. PHARMACEA sorcery and witchcraft. YOU absolutely cannot deny that you can trace the word prognosis back to it being prophecy. Think about what you are burning, cutting, honestly POISONING people. I hope when you think of CULTS you add the MEDICAL SYSTEM as well.
my mom’s parents were christian scientists and both died of extremely preventable cancers (ovarian and prostate, respectively) just barely past 60. the closest thing to a silver lining is that after my grandma died, my grandpa decided he should start going to the dr and that’s when they found the advanced prostate cancer, so he was at least able to live the rest of his life in less pain and suffering than he otherwise would have
i went to the same school as he did / raised this way too - the christian science boarding school. always interesting hearing people talk about it.
I went to a Christian Scientist school growing up. I only really remember hearing the Four Gospels and "Key to the Scriptures by Mary Baker Eddy".
I was an atheist for most of my life, so I never really distinguished them from the rest of Christendom.
Now that I am a Christian, I have been hearing more and more about heretical CS is.
Thank God none of the CS teaching had an impact on me.
Thank God he showed me the fullness of Biblical Christianity!
So in other words, "Christian Science" is neither christian nor science.
Be original with your comments, that's old. Blow the dust off. Christian: because it encourages following Christ. Science: because it's the laws of God that can be proven by all who applies it.
@Jonathan Soko The foundation of New Age teaching is from the teachings of Mary Baker Eddy. The terms: Consciousness, Vibration, Mind, Universe, and many such like if not introduced by Mary B. Eddy, was re-introduced by her, and employed strongly, if not wrongly in New-Age terminology.
Ugh. CRINGE. This is the arrogance I repent of as an ex Christian Scientist. I am now a grateful Bible believing Jesus Freak of a Christian. I agree it's an old saying that makes me roll my eyes when I hear it, but not because it isn't factual. It's just unoriginal. CS is NOT Christian because it doesn't teach that Jesus is the Saviour and only Redeemer for our sinful nature (which is the whole point of Christianity), and NOT science because it actually ISN'T the law of God and only works through the equally non-scientific law of attraction, which is deceptive and Luciferian (ie. I will heal you through the application of my mind to your body, and you will pay me for it.) I'm ashamed of how I once thought of true Christians as "fools" for believing the Bible as the final authority, and for believing that the purpose of the crucifixion of Jesus was only to disprove the reality of death (not as the perfect sacrifice for sin once and for all). Christian Scientists eliminated the need for a Saviour by teaching that we (mankind) aren't actually sinful. I see the organization dying, and I pray every day for it to fade away entirely and for all the lost souls practicing it to repent and come to the cross for true Salvation. Unfortunately, most Christian Scientists who wake up to the lie just drop religion entirely, so Satan does end up winning after all. Few realize the need to REPENT of it. It's IDOLATRY. Stop worshipping a BOOK. Stop saying "Mrs. Eddy says..." with your "superior" noses in the air and start learning what Jesus Christ says. Actually READ the Word of God, not just portions of parts of verses parsed together to support Mrs. Eddy's uneducated opinions. She was a bitter, arrogant and proud false prophet (whose "little book" is a plagiarism) and she profited financially off the desperation of sick people like myself.
Actually, no, Christian Science is the Science of Christ or divine law.
@@wberckmann No, it's not lol. Google the definition instead of leaning on your own understanding, it's the belief system of the "Church of Christ" sect. It has nothing to do with science and little to do with Jesus.
Tanner, saw a few people commenting on your verbal pauses, but I noticed that in the last quarter of this podcast you seemed a lot more confident in your speech. This is your story, and I empower you in the name of Christ to confidently and courageously speak truth!
Thank you for this! (I'm his wife.) He was definitely disappointed by the uhms and the comments about them, but it looks like many have appreciated it despite that. The second episode is much smoother as he got further into the interview :)
@@hillaryjohnsrud9430 Nice! Looking forward to it. I'll check it out as soon as I get a chance.
Agreed. I come from a JW family, and am currently trying to bring a person I met out of what I think is CS. That's why I looked up the video. I dare say there are alot of people, especially myself, who would pause in their speech alot, especially given the gravity of the topic and I'd imagine the emotional impact it has on you in particular. Thank you brother for sharing.
This is kind of you. I agree with you in prayer for Tanner. He is a spokesman for all of us former Christian Scientists who feel like nobody understands what we are coming out of. It is hard to explain. And we have been brainwashed all our lives to defend Mary Baker Eddy and believe her life story as gospel. It is still hard for me to speak against the religion I was raised in without feeling like I'm betraying my parents, the lovely folks who still attend that church that I left behind, and the beliefs I was indoctrinated with. Praise God for the renewal of my mind, in His mercy and grace, which I never learned about in Christian Science. Thank you, Tanner. Keep umming and uhhing your way through any interview you're invited to. I think it's incredibly brave and I'm grateful to you.
They say 1 Devine love always met and always will meet every human need and 2 know the truth and the truth will set you free
Humorous that there is down vote before the premier has begun. How can you dislike the content if you don't even know what it is yet?
odd isn't it
What they have shown was selective reading. God says "My people perish, because of lack of knowledge "
@Pavlov's Dog _"How can you like the content if you don't even know what it is yet?"_ I didn't :P
@@King_drew The Christian Science church disapproves of its members or adherents consuming, viewing or reading anything contradicting CS. They call it "animal magnetism" or "aggressive mental suggestion" and may be blamed for keeping you sick or suffering. It has to be all Christian Science all the time or you are in danger of not "getting your healing." The entire doctrine of Salvation and being born again is completely ignored. I am so grateful to be free and following the real Jesus Christ and heaven bound at the end of my days. Thank you, Tanner. We need more former CS'ers to speak out against it. I am concerned that with the explosion of the New Age it may get a revival in the end times and deceive many away from the gift of the Cross.
I grew up CS. Left the religion as a young adult because I wanted to live “my way” (drinking, drugging). It was a lovely way of life with a lot of love. We def went to doctors when needed. These days I’m more interested in Jesus and that’s my happy place. I learned a lot here so thank you for sharing! I didn’t know MBE was a medium! Wow! Also, you can leave CS. No one chases you or tries to make you stay. I could go back now and be welcomed. Cults don’t do that. They don’t just let you leave when you want. So there is that. :)
A cult by Christian standards is a group that calls themselves Christian but believes they have the only true interpretation of the Bible when they in reality are just warping the Bible in one way shape or form, Christian Science warps the Bible while claiming to be Christian, that is a cult.
@@bstny98 the Bible calls us to mark false teachers, “Christian” cults love to use unification as a way to try to force Christianity to accept them while ignoring the slew of passages in the Bible that say to mark false teachers, to stay away from those who profess Christianity but don’t truly follow etc. I’m sick of hearing cults like Christian Science followers, Mormons, Jehovah’s witnesses etc. try and force themselves on Christianity despite a major warping of doctrine and the Bible blatantly saying to call them out. The difference between most denominations is minor distinction in interpretation and those are the Christians we are meant to be unified with, those who warp doctrine dramatically are meant to be marked and avoided. If you think I’m wrong then read the Bible because it says it in plain english, it doesn’t even have to be interpreted because it’s literally spelled out clear as day.
Not all cults track people down or shun. But CS is 100% a CULT!! It has the 9 markers of a cult. You’re deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
Not all cults act the same way. CS is a cult, not because they force people to stay, but what makes it a cult is the exclusion of conflicting information. ie: materialism, non CS biblical understandings, medical science. It is a cult of the mind.
James Hetfield's parents were Christian scientists. I believe one of the contributors of the reason his mom passed was refusal to go to Dr or clinical help. Left with a sour taste toward religion, James threw lyrics into his songs showing his disfavor. I believe, however, he's a Christian now though. Great episode!
Jorge Anido he only said he believes in a higher power, by no means does that make him a Christian.
Metallica is one of Christian Science’s finest contributions to the world!
@@robgetzschman 😅 I guess so!
And many people that go to doctors also die from their illnesses!
Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.
Easier question is What Christian Science isn't! It's isn't Christian, and it isn't Science.
Wow, gnosticism just can't quit.
"Science and Health" book?
Gotta love how every cult says
"Sure the bible, AND this book."
I'm so sick of all this rehashed nonsense.
As the saying goes, the devil uses the same tricks because they work.
Do you love the Bible? Well, hold on to your socks, cause you’re gonna go bananas for Bible 2!
They don't even say "sure the Bible" - they more or less "use" the Bible but Science and Health is their Truth. I told a CS friend if I was stranded on an island I would choose the Bible as the one book I could have, and she said, "I would choose Science and Health" and I could tell she thought that was a better answer. That's when my eyes started to open. CS is Idolatry cleverly disguised as righteousness.
They are not knowledgeable ...
Christian Science is based on philosophical idealism whereby everything is the mind not materialism. Mrs Eddy probably got it from somebody like Schopenhaur who in turn was influenced by Yogacara Buddhism which is amazingly like Christain Science without the Christian bit. I was brought up as a Christian Scientist but I am Holy Spirit baptised. My Holy Spirit baptism was very powerful and was mainly the experience of love and joy. The power was so powerful I can describe it as a warm energy that felt viscous like oil that circulated around my heart. The teaching was the Jewishness of Jesus which changed my theology. I became very aware of the testimony in the Bible of the Holy Spirit and particularly in the OT like in Kings where the priests in the Jewish Temple were not able to stand to minister to the people because the glory cloud was so powerful. However, although the Spirit changed my theology I did not receive a hatred of Christian Science or of any other religion or to create theoligical division. Tanner mentions Martin Luther in part 2 of these videos as somebody better to follow and yet Martin Luther was virulently anti-semitic. Also, out of the reformation came a new biblical canon that excluded books of the Catholic canon that were later found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were Hebrew versions of these books and these books had been excluded by protestantism because old enough versions of them did not exist at that time. That is until they found the Dead Sea Scrolls. My view is that Christian Science has a lot to offer if you can make genuine discernments of what is relevant and what is not. I used it successfully in delivering myself of something. Now Mrs Eddy would not recognise deliverance as a spirit being delivered and perhaps that is a weakness in her theology but equally it has to be said she advocates that God is the only power which is essential in deliverance. Dualism just won't wash. Also she is one of the earliest advocates of the placebo effect long before such an effect was recognised by the medical profession.
Strangely too there is a lot of similarity between what the Buddhist teacher Nagarjuna teaches 2000 years ago and Quantum Physics philosophy. So sometimes truth can be found other than from the church. Let's face it guys, if we followed the church in everything we would still believe the sun moved around the earth.
In conclusion nobody has a perfect theology, not even the main stream church who seem to have missed some important things about Jesus's Jewishness. I would say even part theologies have something to offer and yet in the end love for God and neighbour matter the most not division and distrust.
Here is a completely different take on God and is this to be discounted too as another deceptive cult?
th-cam.com/video/-IuJKabyx_g/w-d-xo.html
Mary e. said the Bible was sufficient. well, I should hope so. she does propagate error that the Bible does not teach though. her followers hardly read the Bible or not at all. here are some of my experiences. after church talking to one lady her response was: "The Bible? That book! I don't have anything to do with it " from a practitioner: "what is all this stuff about blood. blood sacrifices?" (my reply was the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. Her look was priceless. Another practitioner told me MBE was THE comforter. Another said we are God. Another somehow found out I had given a sizeable amount of money in tithe and came up to me and said "YOU can't buy your salvation". She also accused me of not attending a service when I did after being invited but she didn't have the decency to find me to sit by her. Another time the congregation was invited to stay after service to vote on Christmas songs. I stayed but when I raised my hand to vote a couple of women said " you're not a member you can't vote!" My experience has been good and way bad. the rivalry and jealousy is a huge problem with the women. HUGE! they are so blind to it, too. I cannot stand jealously and parted with several of them. one even snuck and took a picture of me walking away in my bathing suit that was not flattering. WHO does that? As long as you are giving and doing something for them, favors they ask for, you are acknowledged but if you don't you are ostracized. So, reality is we all want to fellowship and be with Christians who love Jesus Christ and care for one another but you will NOT find that in the Christian Science Churches. I've been to many of them and enough churches to make comparisons. You may find nice. You may find spirituality. You may find decency. It's up to you to seek God thru Jesus Christ and be AWARE that noone has a corner on the truth. Your needs may be met in the Christian Science Church. I found many wonderful concepts. "God is all" "God is always good and expressing himself in goodness" but to be clear: we are ONLY made perfect, blameless, holy, and cleansed from all sin by the one and ONLY sacrifice of the blood of the one and only savior Jesus Christ--our Lord only by confession of him being our LORD.
know your Bible. Love and blessings to all who read this and get it.
What you have to understand about Christian Science is that its practice involves a great sacrifice of self to be practiced correctly. The problem is everybody recognises there is a price to pay but few wish to pay it. I healed the son of well known actor of a blood clot on the brain. He acknowledged the healing but did not want to walk the road. I have studied CS for over 50 years but it took me the best part of 30 years to master its practice. But it is worth it because i find i can now heal others. I cannot abide watching others suffer and CS is the only way I have found to end their suffering effectively.
Thank you for your comment, I have experienced many many healings.
Bog te blagoslovio
Moje ime je Daniel Cesar, imam 54 godine i živim u Hrvatskoj. Prije manje od 3 godine doživio sam živčani slom i završio u mentalnoj bolnici. Dijagnosticirana mi je teška depresija i specifičan poremećaj osobnosti. Od tada su mi mnogo puta mijenjali terapiju, ali ništa me nije potaknulo da ozdravim. Sve to vrijeme nisam ni radio, tako da nisam financijski neovisna. Stalno sam kod kuće i tražim nadu na internetu, tako sam došao na web stranicu Kršćanske znanosti i odlučio sam vam se obratiti intuicijom. Možete li mi ponizno pomoći, molim vas. Mogu li poslati svoju sliku kako biste se mogli moliti za mene? Stvarno sam u očajnom stanju. Bog te blagoslovio
I am an X-CS. You did a good job here; I am used to slander and lies about CS. This discussion was fair and factual. CS opened my mind to a God who can heal, and I have had several medically validated physical healings. However, when I encountered God and heaven, I immediately saw that CS was wrong. I saw that physical creation is real and God loves it. I could no longer be CS.
Mrs. Eddy was pioneering recovering the healing power that Jesus tried to give us. Some of her ideas were very good. Some were very damaging. Everyone gets some things right and some things wrong. Mrs. Eddy really messed up when she claimed to be the final revelation of God. But that's what cult leaders do. It takes a lot of work for someone raised in CS to find their way out of the wrong teachings.
My only correction is that I never heard anyone in CS say that "we are God". Saying that "God is Spirit" and "Man is Spirit" is not necessarily saying that man is God. If Mrs. Eddy really thought that once, she stopped saying it near the start.
CS was a very lonely religion because it says "God is Impersonal Principle". And showing compassion for suffering was seen as giving in to suffering. I now think that compassion is an expression of love. The real Jesus came to embrace humanity and human life. Jesus showed affection. He did not come to have us escape.
I think that God as defined in CS is the image and likeness of Mrs. Eddy. The CS God has all the personality flaws of Mrs. Eddy. She made a religion that manifested her personality, the good and the bad.
Reminds me a lot of theosophy and gnosticism if you merge the two.
The best way to understand Christian Science is to read the book, Science and Health with key to the Scriptures by Mary Baker Eddy and learn for yourself what it teaches rather than listen to someone else's interpretation of it, which may be flawed. The book helps us to understand the deep spiritual meaning of the Bible and serves the purpose within the Christian Science church that in other churches is served by a preacher reading Scripture and explaining how to put it into practice in daily life. I am a Christian Science practitioner and have first hand experiences of people being healed based on prayer as Jesus taught us. In fact, Jesus said, "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also." This is exactly what Christian Scientists are endeavoring to do and are doing. We accept the Virgin birth, have one God, accept Christ Jesus as our Savior and try to follow him in every way he commanded.
Do you believe that Jesus IS God? If not, why not? Can you share with me some scriptures from the Bible that back up your beliefs? Thank you for your time.
I never once heard about the trinity in Christian Science. CS doesn't do baptism. CS doesn't do communion. Thankfully I left in 01'.
read the book and it sucked
@@bicyclist2 you really love Saturnian religion.
True, read the book Science and Health yourself, I had many healings by reading this book alone. I was born a muslim and my father was an imam and a preacher in many mosques. I converted to Christian Science because it changes my life for the better in health, financial and human relationships.
Thank you, guys !! Keep up the good work. In Jesus' name!!
Christian Science is based on philosophical idealism whereby everything is the mind not materialism. Mrs Eddy probably got it from somebody like Schopenhaur who in turn was influenced by Yogacara Buddhism which is amazingly like Christain Science without the Christian bit. I was brought up as a Christian Scientist but I am Holy Spirit baptised. My Holy Spirit baptism was very powerful and was mainly the experience of love and joy. The power was so powerful I can describe it as a warm energy that felt viscous like oil that circulated around my heart. The teaching was the Jewishness of Jesus which changed my theology. I became very aware of the testimony in the Bible of the Holy Spirit and particularly in the OT like in Kings where the priests in the Jewish Temple were not able to stand to minister to the people because the glory cloud was so powerful. However, although the Spirit changed my theology I did not receive a hatred of Christian Science or of any other religion or to create theoligical division. Tanner mentions Martin Luther in part 2 of these videos as somebody better to follow and yet Martin Luther was virulently anti-semitic. Also, out of the reformation came a new biblical canon that excluded books of the Catholic canon that were later found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were Hebrew versions of these books and these books had been excluded by protestantism because old enough versions of them did not exist at that time. That is until they found the Dead Sea Scrolls. My view is that Christian Science has a lot to offer if you can make genuine discernments of what is relevant and what is not. I used it successfully in delivering myself of something. Now Mrs Eddy would not recognise deliverance as a spirit being delivered and perhaps that is a weakness in her theology but equally it has to be said she advocates that God is the only power which is essential in deliverance. Dualism just won't wash. Also she is one of the earliest advocates of the placebo effect long before such an effect was recognised by the medical profession.
Strangely too there is a lot of similarity between what the Buddhist teacher Nagarjuna teaches 2000 years ago and Quantum Physics philosophy. So sometimes truth can be found other than from the church. Let's face it guys, if we followed the church in everything we would still believe the sun moved around the earth.
In conclusion nobody has a perfect theology, not even the main stream church who seem to have missed some important things about Jesus's Jewishness. I would say even part theologies have something to offer and yet in the end love for God and neighbour matter the most not division and distrust.
Here is a completely different take on God and is this to be discounted too as another deceptive cult?
th-cam.com/video/-IuJKabyx_g/w-d-xo.html
I like acknowledging Jesus' Jewishness but everything else makes me feel like ur Abt force feed me cyanide cuz the atf is ramming down the door.
Went to the Christian Reading center on Hollywood blvd. I met four different attendants. They were very respectful! I really enjoyed it. They gave me feeling of hope.
Jesus Christ is the hope. social needs being met by nice ladies does not substitute for the fact that Jesus, the Christ, is the only Lord and Saviour. many of those ladies do not believe that.
Yea, it's almost like they don't want you to know how many kids died under their religion's watch.
Interesting interview. Tanner sure knows a lot of perifery and secular history from his studies. all of these histories are not commonly known or taught in our community. I'm not sure it's intentional omission, but it's a part of our history that is not passed down Gen to generation.
I was raised in Christian science and I found this hard to follow, so good for those who did follow it. 1866 and there abouts was a spiritual Renaissance in America. Fascinating to study. I learned a few new things:)
I, like Tanner, loved my religious practices as a youth/young adult and had a happy, healthy childhood, and as an adult I can see the cross-over between Christian Science and other spiritual and mental health practices like: daily meditation and positive thinking and contributing to society in a beneficial- for - others way, and a happy healthy life. I had many healings and still have a lot of gratitude for the people I met and the teachings of Christian Science, even though I no longer practice (am an active member who prays daily and attend services, etc. )
it's surprising to me that tanner has said (perhaps in another interview?) that he doesn't know many csers who study the Bible front to back or read the science and health cover to cover. I did and was encourage by my Sunday school to do so. I even, often would read beyond the selected citations chosesn for weekly study of the Bible and the science&heath. These later practices meant more to me as an adult, when I was more curious about the history that resulted in the Bible stories being recorded and selected for what we know as the Bible today.
I'd also like to say to tanner how sorry I was to hear he lost so many relationships as he left Christian Science. I'm glad his family survived and recovered from that.... I would think the easier transition was due to the immediate joining of another religious church rt away.
Thank you guys for this video Extremely informative!
I was brought up in a Christian Science family for which I am very grateful, I feel so fortunate to have had a Christian Science childhood. I'm not a church goer at present, most CS churches here in UK have mostly disappeared in last twenty years. In my experience CS can in no way be described as cult like, quite the opposite. Anyway all the best to everyone
He mentions that he wasn't allowed to have another job when he was a healer. This is the case. Many healers suffer in massive poverty due to this (others have spouses or secret income). Sign of a cult .... trapping someone in poverty so its economically impossible for them to leave.
I hear you. I think the point of being a healer only is not to restrict one's income it is to be devoted day and night to prayerful work for your clients. And I think the construct was from a perspective of a religion that would be flush with members, therefore one could easily make a living. But our churches are nearly empty and I can't see why that would be a requirement still. Plus, not every Christian Scientist would use a practioner unless they needed extra support. Otherwise I would agree with you, because that is often happening in high demand religions.
I have an old version of Kingdom of the Cults from the 70’s. Is it worth updating to the newest edition? 🤔💭
Yes I agree very informative. But then we need to be reminded of where we can listen to good and sound and Biblical theology and doctrine!! Very important step! Jacob Prasch, Sandy Simpson, Dave Hunt, a couple of the Biblical sound teachers.
Great interview! Very informative.
Christian Science is based on philosophical idealism whereby everything is the mind not materialism. Mrs Eddy probably got it from somebody like Schopenhaur who in turn was influenced by Yogacara Buddhism which is amazingly like Christain Science without the Christian bit. I was brought up as a Christian Scientist but I am Holy Spirit baptised. My Holy Spirit baptism was very powerful and was mainly the experience of love and joy. The power was so powerful I can describe it as a warm energy that felt viscous like oil that circulated around my heart. The teaching was the Jewishness of Jesus which changed my theology. I became very aware of the testimony in the Bible of the Holy Spirit and particularly in the OT like in Kings where the priests in the Jewish Temple were not able to stand to minister to the people because the glory cloud was so powerful. However, although the Spirit changed my theology I did not receive a hatred of Christian Science or of any other religion or to create theoligical division. Tanner mentions Martin Luther in part 2 of these videos as somebody better to follow and yet Martin Luther was virulently anti-semitic. Also, out of the reformation came a new biblical canon that excluded books of the Catholic canon that were later found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were Hebrew versions of these books and these books had been excluded by protestantism because old enough versions of them did not exist at that time. That is until they found the Dead Sea Scrolls. My view is that Christian Science has a lot to offer if you can make genuine discernments of what is relevant and what is not. I used it successfully in delivering myself of something. Now Mrs Eddy would not recognise deliverance as a spirit being delivered and perhaps that is a weakness in her theology but equally it has to be said she advocates that God is the only power which is essential in deliverance. Dualism just won't wash. Also she is one of the earliest advocates of the placebo effect long before such an effect was recognised by the medical profession.
Strangely too there is a lot of similarity between what the Buddhist teacher Nagarjuna teaches 2000 years ago and Quantum Physics philosophy. So sometimes truth can be found other than from the church. Let's face it guys, if we followed the church in everything we would still believe the sun moved around the earth.
In conclusion nobody has a perfect theology, not even the main stream church who seem to have missed some important things about Jesus's Jewishness. I would say even part theologies have something to offer and yet in the end love for God and neighbour matter the most not division and distrust.
Here is a completely different take on God and is this to be discounted too as another deceptive cult?
th-cam.com/video/-IuJKabyx_g/w-d-xo.html
Rev Price, a famous Episcopalian priest who had a healing ministry in Philadelphia PA..incorporated some of Christain Science thinking.
That's dangerous
Very interesting! Thank you :)
There is a christian science church across the catholic church that is walking distance from where I live. I feel like it was planted or something. I have been getting into my Christian faith, and I was looking for churches to go to, and I saw this one. I am SO GLAD I never looked into it because it is such a cult & bad news for new believers walking in their new faith with God.
All denominations are flawed, especially the Catholics.
I found out some of my ancestors were christian scientists, this is helping to learn more about it thanks
Very informative but a little hard to follow because of this gentleman’s constant hesitations in his speech and his inability to pronounce the word “scientists”. He leaves out the “t”.
Perhaps he was very very nervous ..
Sorry about that. The way the video was done I couldn't see Jeremiah and Andrew, which made it harder. But I am also not the best at impromptu speaking. I'd appreciate prayers that God would loosen my tongue! I'm sorry it was difficult to listen to!
@@TannerJohnsrud you did a great job brother. It would be daunting to talk to Cultish and nervous also because you're exposing the darkness. Thank you for your boldness and courage. God's blessings upon you. Your sister Donna
Heard the name but knew nothing about it ! Super interesting but superweird!!
Trust me you still don't. Research it for yourself. It works.
if you are truly a Christian, you will follow the teachings of Jesus, follow the Golden Rule and respect your fellow followers of Christ. It's hypocritical to lash out at other Christians, because you don't understand their teachings, and then call yourself a Christian. have you read the book? have you reached out to a practitioner or other Christian Scientist for prayer to support your healing? I have had literally hundreds of healings, physical, financial and otherwise, by practicing the theology taught in Science and Health, both through my own prayers and the prayers of other followers of Christian Science. so I can attest to the fact that it is a provable, demonstrable Science. I don't like to say, "it works" (altho it does); instead i prefer to say, "It expresses Truth". thank you for reading this and sending love and blessings to all my fellow followers of Christ
I've read it growing up and lemme tell u, not impressed. He was spot on, even as a now pagan. Ur just having kneejerk reaction cuz sumone spoke out against CS. Sorry sumone spoke out against a religion running constant pr campaigns to cover the mass graves of children who's parents decided they'd take their chances and "pray about it."
@@ronwerks
And there are massive graves of children and adults who died going to a doctor. Life on this earth is limited. Infinite spiritual life is not.
Very strange how so many cults count the number of generations your family has been active in the cult. Is it a hierarchical thing?
Hard to imagine that everyone is just an idea of god, yet god is simplified down to a universal principle. So how can a universal principle have such complex ideas such as a universe with humans in it?
my mom’s parents were christian scientists. apparently they were really good people (including supporting my mom deciding to stop going to church and following any religion from about 12) but ill never know for sure since they both died of extremely preventable cancers before i was born
"God is One." (M-LOGOS)
Was brought up in a devout Christian Science home
It's amazing how many Christian denominations are called cults by other denominations. All it seems to take is a charismatic leader such as modern televangelists.
This is a major theological difference. Scripture says in 1 John 4 that we are able to determine if a spirit is from God, by whether hey say Jesus Christ came in the flesh. If they say He did they are from God and if not they aren't. That's a central doctrine. One of the few essential pieces of doctrine in the Christian community. Without it one isn't a Christian. It's a different category. Jesus cannot rise bodily from the dead if there is no body. And denying Yahweh as God is a profane.
The only way to form an opinion is to read the book and practice it yourself; to listen to someone else's biased view is hardly objective. If you read Science and Health with an open mind, and then incorporate the principles in your life, you might be surprised to find yourself healed of whatever ails you at the moment. And you might also find an uplifting way to experience life in general. But if you read it with a biased negative view to begin with, you deprive yourself of the opportunity to experience the good that is there. People really do get healed from studying the principles upon which Christian Science is based. i know, because I am one of them
I grew up in Christian, my mother was Christian Scientist and my father was not but i went to C.S. Sunday school and else. I never became a Church member, neither of the filial church (local church) nor of the Mother Church in Boston. I’m not a member now and i can’t say at i at all that i practice. I was about 19 the last time i went to CS church but most people in my large family are Christian Scientist but NON of them are Christian Science practitioners and a couple are pillars of the church. I still have Christian Scientist friends.
I’m sorry but this gentleman doesn’t have his information correct. Thera are important, very important statements he made that are wrong.
1) Class instruction is NOT to become a Christian Science practitioner. That is what most people that are NOT really in Christian Science think.
A Christian Science practitioner is not a healer as most people think.
Class instruction is really the very first step to know/learn about Christian Science. If one CHOOSES, once becoming a local church member or a member of the Mother church in Boston, it is OPTIONAL, to take class instruction. The first time, better said, the first year it is a week of class instruction. The following years is a day to tree.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that someone can become a Christian Science PRACTITIONER after C.S. Class Instruction!!!
People from other faiths/denominations who want to learn about Christian Science can also take Class instruction.
To become an OFFICIAL, what in C.S is called an ENLISTED Christian Science practitioner, recognized by the Mother Church in Boston (which is the ONLY way to become a Christian Science practitioner) is DEFINITELY not easy. It takes YEARS as a full practicing mature adult with FINANCIAL independence to become a Christian Science practitioner.
There are MANY requirements to become a Christian Science practitioner, starting with financial independence.
In my 57 year i have only known 1 Christian Science practitioner who was 34 years of age, the majority are in their 40s, 50s and 60s
I’m typing with from my cell phone, i wish i had my laptop to type more freely and i could probably explain the larger inconsistencies this gentleman shows/communicates in this interview regarding Christian Science.
True
Why not have someone who can prove its good your only interested in the negative.
Enlightening. I have a friend who is a CS healer and I wanted to understand a bit more. I’m wondering why they still have reading rooms if the purpose isn’t to heal (there) or proselytize and you can buy the books online. 🤨
Just posting this again for you.
I grew up in Christian Science, my mother was Christian Scientist and my father was not but i went to C.S. Sunday school and else. I never became a Church member, neither of the filial church (local church) nor of the Mother Church in Boston. I’m not a member now and i can’t say at all that i practice. I was about 19 the last time i went to CS church but most people in my large family are Christian Scientist but NON of them are Christian Science practitioners and a couple of them are pillars of the church. I still have Christian Scientist friends.
I’m sorry but this gentleman doesn’t have his information correct. Thera are important, very important statements he made that are wrong.
1) Class instruction is NOT to become a Christian Science practitioner. That is what most people that are NOT really in Christian Science think.
A Christian Science practitioner is not a healer as most people think.
Class instruction is really the very first step to know/learn about Christian Science. If one CHOOSES, once becoming a local church member or a member of the Mother church in Boston, it is OPTIONAL, to take class instruction. The first time, better said, the first year it is a week of class instruction. The following years is a day to tree.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that someone can become a Christian Science PRACTITIONER after C.S. Class Instruction!!!
People from other faiths/denominations who want to learn about Christian Science can also take Class instruction.
To become an OFFICIAL, what in C.S is called an ENLISTED Christian Science practitioner, recognized by the Mother Church in Boston (which is the ONLY way to become a Christian Science practitioner) is DEFINITELY not easy. It takes YEARS as a full practicing mature adult with FINANCIAL independence to become a Christian Science practitioner.
There are MANY requirements to become a Christian Science practitioner, starting with financial independence.
In my 57 year i have only known 1 Christian Science practitioner who was 34 years of age, the majority are in their 40s, 50s and 60s
I’m typing with from my cell phone, i wish i had my laptop to type more freely and i could probably explain the larger inconsistencies this gentleman shows/communicates in this interview regarding Christian Science.
She was not deceived or deluded, she knew exactly what she was doing to people and God.
Wow..."spiritual and perfect". Negates the reason for our Savior. There is so much pride in this cult.
This guy was a church goer. Attending a Christian Science church or your family history in Christian Science DOESN'T MAKE YOU A CHRISTIAN SCIENTIST. Even his narration about Christian Science is so shallow and inaccurate.
So true
I really want to know what camp he went to
It's so simple, when did simple become so difficult?
It was difficult to follow this guy, maybe he was nervous, but I liked how he draw an outline for all the groups linked to CS beliefs. USA exists because of religious freedom. Pure Christianity doesn't exist, we're either interpreters or followers. May God lead us to Him, whichever the route is.
A fair bit of self improvement writing has elements of Christian Science thought, at least in my humble opinion.
Soooo reality is a shared illusion shaped by the strength of our thoughts. Like the warp in Warhammer 40k. They also want to become God. They are literally chaos cultists from 40k.
I was born Catholic. Since birth I had been able to communicate with spirit. I have psychic abilities, I never asked for them I was just born this way. My parents always understood I was different. During my late teens I found Wicca and there is lots of misunderstandings and brainwashing around that cult/religion. We are energy, eternal beings who can heal ourselves and others because we are Gods with little gs. In my late 20ths I found Christian Science and I am a proud Christian Scientists, I do have Catholicism background and Christian background and I fully understand it all. And I am very happy where I am right now.
All the very best to you on your Spiritual journey. xx
This guy says “umm” 6,478,370 times. Absolutely INSUFFERABLE.
It’s a very difficult religion to explain to people.
It's good to have a public education. Parents should let their children interact with people from different cultures and religions and economic background You can't get this in private education.
Awesome interview. Thanks for illuminating this particular cult for us, Tanner.
Not well informed. You have been told little ...
Christian Science is based on philosophical idealism whereby everything is the mind not materialism. Mrs Eddy probably got it from somebody like Schopenhaur who in turn was influenced by Yogacara Buddhism which is amazingly like Christain Science without the Christian bit. I was brought up as a Christian Scientist but I am Holy Spirit baptised. My Holy Spirit baptism was very powerful and was mainly the experience of love and joy. The power was so powerful I can describe it as a warm energy that felt viscous like oil that circulated around my heart. The teaching was the Jewishness of Jesus which changed my theology. I became very aware of the testimony in the Bible of the Holy Spirit and particularly in the OT like in Kings where the priests in the Jewish Temple were not able to stand to minister to the people because the glory cloud was so powerful. However, although the Spirit changed my theology I did not receive a hatred of Christian Science or of any other religion or to create theoligical division. Tanner mentions Martin Luther in part 2 of these videos as somebody better to follow and yet Martin Luther was virulently anti-semitic. Also, out of the reformation came a new biblical canon that excluded books of the Catholic canon that were later found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were Hebrew versions of these books and these books had been excluded by protestantism because old enough versions of them did not exist at that time. That is until they found the Dead Sea Scrolls. My view is that Christian Science has a lot to offer if you can make genuine discernments of what is relevant and what is not. I used it successfully in delivering myself of something. Now Mrs Eddy would not recognise deliverance as a spirit being delivered and perhaps that is a weakness in her theology but equally it has to be said she advocates that God is the only power which is essential in deliverance. Dualism just won't wash. Also she is one of the earliest advocates of the placebo effect long before such an effect was recognised by the medical profession.
Strangely too there is a lot of similarity between what the Buddhist teacher Nagarjuna teaches 2000 years ago and Quantum Physics philosophy. So sometimes truth can be found other than from the church. Let's face it guys, if we followed the church in everything we would still believe the sun moved around the earth.
In conclusion nobody has a perfect theology, not even the main stream church who seem to have missed some important things about Jesus's Jewishness. I would say even part theologies have something to offer and yet in the end love for God and neighbour matter the most not division and distrust.
Here is a completely different take on God and is this to be discounted too as another deceptive cult?
th-cam.com/video/-IuJKabyx_g/w-d-xo.html
I love these videos!
I wonder how successful were you at your Practitioner work?
It would be my guess that he was a total and complete failure since a CS practitioner needs to be someone who can speak English with some degree of intelligence.
Excellent layout of material on this cult
Not excellent at all ...
Christian Science is based on philosophical idealism whereby everything is the mind not materialism. Mrs Eddy probably got it from somebody like Schopenhaur who in turn was influenced by Yogacara Buddhism which is amazingly like Christain Science without the Christian bit. I was brought up as a Christian Scientist but I am Holy Spirit baptised. My Holy Spirit baptism was very powerful and was mainly the experience of love and joy. The power was so powerful I can describe it as a warm energy that felt viscous like oil that circulated around my heart. The teaching was the Jewishness of Jesus which changed my theology. I became very aware of the testimony in the Bible of the Holy Spirit and particularly in the OT like in Kings where the priests in the Jewish Temple were not able to stand to minister to the people because the glory cloud was so powerful. However, although the Spirit changed my theology I did not receive a hatred of Christian Science or of any other religion or to create theoligical division. Tanner mentions Martin Luther in part 2 of these videos as somebody better to follow and yet Martin Luther was virulently anti-semitic. Also, out of the reformation came a new biblical canon that excluded books of the Catholic canon that were later found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were Hebrew versions of these books and these books had been excluded by protestantism because old enough versions of them did not exist at that time. That is until they found the Dead Sea Scrolls. My view is that Christian Science has a lot to offer if you can make genuine discernments of what is relevant and what is not. I used it successfully in delivering myself of something. Now Mrs Eddy would not recognise deliverance as a spirit being delivered and perhaps that is a weakness in her theology but equally it has to be said she advocates that God is the only power which is essential in deliverance. Dualism just won't wash. Also she is one of the earliest advocates of the placebo effect long before such an effect was recognised by the medical profession.
Strangely too there is a lot of similarity between what the Buddhist teacher Nagarjuna teaches 2000 years ago and Quantum Physics philosophy. So sometimes truth can be found other than from the church. Let's face it guys, if we followed the church in everything we would still believe the sun moved around the earth.
In conclusion nobody has a perfect theology, not even the main stream church who seem to have missed some important things about Jesus's Jewishness. I would say even part theologies have something to offer and yet in the end love for God and neighbour matter the most not division and distrust.
Here is a completely different take on God and is this to be discounted too as another deceptive cult?
th-cam.com/video/-IuJKabyx_g/w-d-xo.html
It is interesting that many health insurance plans pay benefits for prayer Christian Science practioners visits.I thought insurance companies are stricter than that. Do C. S. have any political clout and practioner guidelines like other alternate health practices like chiropractic, acupuncture, and nutritionists. Do they have to be certified by their church and the state to charge patients? Can they be sued as well ? Lol He mentioned he had no formal training in the sciences? All other practioners that charge a fee need credentials and training certificates/licenses.
I appreciate the information but it's really important to take great care that you are not calling out your own brothers and sisters cult followers and thus causing division in the church. I went to a word of faith church and they were very well balanced in the bible teachings. I was not part of a cult! I know a lot of people who come out of cults are very weary of anything that seems to have resemblance to them but we must be led by the Holy Spirit not just the law. Not fear. We were taught repentance, and the holiness of God and the precious blood of The Lamb of God Jesus Christ sanctification justification only through Christ, by the stripes of Jesus I am healed, I have a functional relationship with God our father! Please exercise caution and wisdom and most importantly love. I have family members who are Christian scientist and I pray for their salvation. There are many bible believing legitimate churches who capitalize on certain revelations they received from Father but that does not mean they are Cult either. I grew up going to a baptist church and I am so grateful for this foundation but they did not teach me that by His stripes I am healed as Jesus said I could and pray for the healing of others and have them recover.They did not teach me that I can get baptized in the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues as in the book acts. I needed healing and I had depression and all I got was counseling , I eventually walked away from Christianity and into new age. I was still hungry and still searching till I came back 7 years later God brought me back home but to a word of faith church where I was shown scripturally God can help me NOW and loves me that much to be a part of every aspect of my life so I can give him glory and bless others. Though I know that church nor any church has its faults, the Holy Spirit is my teacher and I o to another church now even more balanced. Though the baptist church I grew up in had its shortcomings and did not teach me the full truth I refuse to call them anything but my brothers and sisters in Christ.
‘By his stripes we are healed’ is from Isaiah 53.
It’s not talking about physical healing, but that those who believe in Jesus Christ and his atoning death on the cross have been reconciled to God and ‘healed’ from spiritual death to everlasting life in the Son.
God can heal and does at times for sure, but the context of that passage is talking about that through Jesus’ wounds and shed blood on the cross, we who believe are (present tense) redeemed and have peace with God. This is a typical word of faith/ faith healer go to passage and they never seem to read it in context.
If it meant that through his stripes we are healed physically, then no believer should be ill or suffering from health conditions etc..
God bless.
Mr Man There is so much in the the Bible that says it is Gods will to heal. Sin is what opened the door to all sickness. But I will not argue. God has already shown me His character His compassion and I cannot be convinced otherwise. How we receive our healing is between the individual and God. I love reading the New Testament because it is a bit more straightforward for me. Jesus is with us and He is the healer AND the one who forgives and washes us He is our all in all our Lord our savior the one we can go to for everything. It is not for me to say where your walk or anyone’s walk with God is but I know Him and continue to grow in Him. So yah I got some Baptist, I got some word of faith, I got some Holiness, I got some nondenominational! Cheers
Luke 5:22-24
It's hard to listen to so many instances of "uhmm"! Sorry!
Is anyone else having trouble following him due to the insane amount of times the guest says "um". Ahhhhh.. it's getting irritating and distracting may need to skip this one.
It is the worst presentation I have ever heard anywhere anytime. This speaker should not have been chosen to present this material. The material is so disjointed that he does not give a fair description of CS.
Cult? Christian Science meetings entail absolutely no preaching and are unfettered by human hypothesis. One person reads directly from the Bible and another reads from Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures. Plainly put; You are on your Own. C.S is an independent study and growth in spiritual development. No one is going to adopt you. Take it or leave it. That's my experience 💙
Christian Science is not a cult and is a wonderful faith, totally bible based.
Definitely not. I grew up in Christian Science. The CULT of Christian Science has a lot wrong biblically. I read my Bible and was saved from that false religion. You should do the same. If you truly want to understand, read.
With Jesus you can be as far from God as Solomon when he burned insence to Baal yet still be in Gods bosom. God's grace can be mighty mighty severe. I spent some of my most backsliding days in Christian science which I belonged to for over 25 years.
Though interesting, listening to the presentation was excruciating in the way the presenter discussed it: start/stop... “umm...umm”, very hard to listen.
Is there any other resources for understanding the main specific differences between Christian Science and Christianity?
Thank you
There are no "differences" between Christian Science and Christianity. This religion is definitely Christian and the reason for the word Science is that it is based on divine law.
Those 430 editions he mentions ... those are not re-prints or changes in formatting, but each one consisted of changes by MBE. Not just sentences, but often theological things. For example, in the early editions she cites the Bhagavad Gita. That was taken out to make it more Christian. Yet, this was a divine revelation .... that god had to fix 429 to get it right. LOL Imagine 430 different versions of the 10 Commandments until Moses got the message right.
Why is the gentleman hesitating with his words? he uses words -- um. Uh. um --repeatedly. Respectfully, this doesn't seem. kosher.
I'm pretty sure the science is eugenics, the cutting edge of health and science when the leader wrote her scripts.
There is so much misinformation in this video. Everyone should do there own research. So much is not even true .
Oh this confused me at first, so they're talking about a cult called "Christian science" not science sifted through a Christian world view.
Christian science believes we are all pure ideas of God. How is that evil? We are all God's beloved children.....how is that occult.
cs is a cult b/c it is not true to the Bible. MBE defined Jesus as 'the highest human corporeal concept of the divine idea' (S&H glossary), while the Bible tells us that Jesus is the Son of God, who came to earth to save the world (john 3:16, Romans 10:9-10, John 14:6, Acts 16:30-31, and countless other verses). While cs teaches that sin is error and therefore doesn't exist, the Bible is clear that we are all sinners (Romans 3:23). The Bible is God's word. and every bit of it is true. MBE chose to just use what fit her needs, and then do a little re-writing. One of MBE's favorite verses was 'Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free'. Do you want to know the truth about MBE? Mary Baker Eddy: The truth and the tradition, by John V. Dittemore (1932), and Mrs Eddy: The biography of a virginal mind, by Edwin Dakin (1932), are both brutally honest. God bless
I don't care about the nonsense they teach except that it KILLS CHILDREN.
@@hufers2 you say that, but every thing in cs is based off the bible.
@@goodgirlkay actually cs encourages people to take the path they are most comfortable with. Not everyone can pray an illness away. According to your understanding....a lot of cs members go to hospitals. It is unfortunate that those parents did not see fit to get their children physical help. But not all of cs is like that
@@okikeure7422 While it is true that Christian Science is based off the Bible, cs is not true to the message of the Bible. I was shocked the day I learned that as a Christian Scientist, I was not a Christian. It hit me like a ton of bricks. For Christians believe that Jesus is our Savior, that he died for our sins, and if we will believe in our hearts that this is true, we will receive His Salvation and have eternal life. I was a Christian Scientist all my life, but never heard this message. Yet it is repeated throughout the Bible, over and over. John 3:16 and Romans 10:9-10 are two great examples. May God bless you on your journey to find the truth.
I Am Carolyn Suzanna Edwards, Of Barbados West Indies. I Am A Practicing Christian Scientist Practitioner. People Every Day That Comes In Contact With Me, Are Being Heal. It Is The Basis Of Christian Science To Rely On God For Healing. The Founder And Leader Of Christian Science, Mary Baker Eddy, Was Very ILL The Doctors Had Given Up On Her, And She Asked To Be Left Alone With Her Bible. By Reading Her Bible She Was Completely Healed. So That Enlightened Her Understanding That There Is A Healing Basis In The Bible KJV. Christian Science Is A Very Pure Spiritual Teachings, Perfect God , Perfect Man. Made In The Image And Likeness Of God. I Was Healed Through The Study And Application Of Christian Science, By The Christian Scientist Practitioner, Mr Enrique Smeke CSB Of AIDS. Completely Healed.
It's like Christianity, except not as old and less popular.
What christian science say about paul was he apostle or Antichrist
If he is a Christian Scientist...why is he wearing glasses?
Words are very important. The Bible mentions the tongue and that it’s a rudder. The world was made by the word. Jesus said we will be judged by every thought and word (which is somewhat daunting). The Bible is big on faith, without it we cannot please God, it says. So it seems to me that other religions/pastors didn’t get the idea of watching what you say from cs, it first came from the Bible.
I went to a Christian Science meeting on a Sunday on Christmas Day. It had the feeling of being in a cult, and there was absolutely no mention of Christmas. I was thinking “I’m never going to a Christian Science building ever again.”
Because Christmas isn't Christain
Most of what he is saying aligns with what Judaism says. As in, there is no original sin, God is not a person, this video actually made me say hmmm maybe Christian Science is closer to Judaism then Protestantism.
Thank you guys for exposing this stuff :)
There has been nothing exposed but a poor guy who failed miserable at helping anyone with the Science. Poor man had to trash the whole thing ...hundreds of testimonials that are true. I was shot and died for 4 hours and it was ELOHIM and Christian Science that helped me recover
Painful to listen too… uhhh and umm - 10 minutes in and still don’t understand what it is so gave up on it.
''cult leaders always have some controversy''.. yeah like Jesus wasn't controversial ??
E.w. kenyon "natural man can develop his spirit until it becomes a force in him. We see this in Christian Science, Unity, Spiritualism and other psychological religions. This is the natural, unregenerated human spirit being cultivated. The human spirit is naturally very religious, because it is God hungry. Christinity is God's answer to the hunger of the human spirit. Every human religion attempts to answer this hunger and fails."
the hidden man. Page 26
In my opinion.
Most people who fear "word of faith" heresy, go extremely the opposite and believe in a false definition of the sovereignty of God as determinism.
What we see hear and know everyday is apart of Adams dream
Can Adam just turn it into a lucid dream already, so far the dream sucks dick. I wanna fuck an anthro rainbow dash already.
If this guy is trying to make a case against Christian Science he’s failing miserably and I’m 36 minutes in. I came here looking for a good argument against CS. He sounds like he’s lying because he’s thinking way too hard about what he’s saying and taking way too many pauses just to spit out one sentence. If he really believed what he’s saying it shouldn’t be that hard to say it. If you ask me I think there’s probably way more truth to Christian Science than he cares to reveal. Maybe it is off on somethings and that’s why he’s trying to make a case, but he failed to convince me.
"he's lying"
smelling some gaslighting in here
It’s just a speech issue bro. He’s clearly not comfortable on camera, but that has nothing to do with his truthfulness. He struck me as a very honest and sincere person who discovered how unbiblical C.S. teachings are and wants to help warn others
This needs to be edited to remove the "hammm$ soundsw
It is a very christian idea that all things are ideas in the mind of god, the whole reality itself. Read some Plotinus!
Isaiah 55:8-9 says otherwise.
I think Finius is actually Ron L Hubbard in disguise!
This poor guy was clearly just not good at it
They make so much money out of that church in Boston. They have so many buildings where these "preachers" live at. They rent buildings and offices to north eastern university, Dalton Hotel etc. Is just not a church. Is a huge building generating money. Hustlers just like Mary was.
Trippy
Curious: Are there similarities between Christian Science and the Church of Scientology? Both seem to rely on "science" in their belief systems. Thoughts?
no they are antithetical. in the Christian Science church, we follow the theology and its practice voluntarily. There is no coercion. It is a choice, a practice, and a Christian way of life. if a member chooses to go to a dr., they are not removed or ostracized. most members choose prayer over other means of healing, but by no means are they forced to do anything against their will. also, the issue of medicine vs. prayer is not the essence of Christian Science -- it is a voluntary acceptance of certain spiritual principles which are taught and can be lived and proven when correctly applied
@@saleenapiano Thank you Saleena for your response!
@@toddwilburn2988 and thank you for your open-mindedness. Christian Science got a bad rap because like every group, there are a few extremists; but your average christian scientist uses common sense and will make wise, sound decisions, according to the situation
Every religion was labeled a cult that’s the reason the killed Jesus they label christanty a cult
this was great but the guy said um about a thousand times....
I'd like to see you do better. Be nice.