Job: The Bible Explained
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- Watch our Introduction video on the book of Job, which outlines the book's main theme and how it is fulfilled in Jesus.
Why does God allow us to suffer? Why do bad things happen to good people? What is the relationship between God, suffering, and sin? These are some of the most difficult questions raised about and against Christianity.
The book of Job takes them head-on but may not give us the answers we want. The majority of Job shows us so many of the wrong ways to explain why we suffer and what God's role is in it. The main answer Job does provide is that, in suffering, God is doing something beyond what our minds and logic can grasp. While we cannot get all the answers we want to why we suffer, Job tells us that God is worth trusting through it.
Ultimately, Job points us to Jesus. Job's friends tried to blame Job for suffering, while Job eventually ends up blaming God. Neither solutions are correct. Nevertheless, even though we are to blame for much of the suffering we and others experience because of our sin, Jesus takes the blame for it on the cross. Jesus suffered, taking the pain and blame our sins deserved, to show us that God is truly doing something through suffering that we cannot comprehend. He saved the world by suffering on the cross.
Credits (in order of appearance):
Orphan Boy: Asher Partee
Grieving Mother: Deonna Marie Cattledge
Job's Wife/Woman with Cancer: Kim Martin
Eliphez (Friend #1/Angelic Counsel): Bill Brewer
Bildad (Friend #2/Angelic Counsel): Pat Hobbs
Zophar (Friend #3/Angelic Counsel): Mark McKee
The Accuser: Kyle Jones
Jesus: Danny Varghese
Job: Dave Tam
Special thanks to Oklahoma Christian University for allowing us to use their facilities for this production.
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If you have more questions about God and suffering or just want to learn more, we'd like to recommend a few resources:
David's book, "When God Isn't There" focuses on those who feel far from God or feel like he is absent. This book talks about how God's absence and God's sovereignty over suffering are both for our good: amzn.to/32P7xI1
D.A. Carson's "How. Long O Lord?" is one of the best reflections of how to understand suffering and evil in the world. It not only offers a brilliant treatment of Job, but also addresses other difficult Biblical texts that deal with suffering: amzn.to/2vGchn3
For a powerful and relatable treatment of how to understand and walk through the relationship between God and suffering, we'd suggest Timothy Keller's, "Walking with God through Pain and Suffering": amzn.to/2TnJ1us
Finally, for a very technical treatment of Job as a literary work, that also helps provide answers to the book's overall theology and contribution to questions about suffering, we suggest Robert. Fyall's, "Now My Eyes Have Seen You": amzn.to/2uTqCMJ
Another incredible new book I just finished TODAY (not by coincidence) is "Proven Genuine: An Examination of Suffering in The Book of Job" on Amazon. Very convicting and encouraging!
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I just lost my kid brother, was believing Jesus for his healing ....it hurts Soo much, but I am choosing to serve God forever.
Wow, thank you for sharing. So sorry to hear about your brother. Praying that God draws you closer to him during this and brings you comfort and peace in the midst of this difficult time.
Praying for you
So sorry may god comfort and bless you brother.
🥲🙏❤️ your boldness gives us courage DIVIN3FAM! God is with you & we are with you!
I'm so sorry for your loss fam🥺💔
The most beautiful part of the first chapter, where Job loses his livestock and children, is his response. He lost everything he had, yet he never cursed God. Oh Lord, may I have the strength, when everything seems to go wrong and I am in suffering, to never curse you, but always to praise you. Because, you are worthy of all praise. Amen.
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What a beautiful comment. Amen.
Glory be to God! In the mighty name of Jesus Christ our Lord!!
"The Lord gives and the Lord takes. Praise be the name of the Lord!!"
I would not get anything from the God if he has any plan to take it back
Powerful reminder of the life of the children of Christ!
The thief comes to steal kill and destroy, I have come to give life and give it more abundantly John 10:10
God does not take anything he should never be likened to a thief. Job said this because he did not understand that Satan existed in the first place and gave him a foothold by sacrificing offerings on behalf of his family out of fear. GOD DOES NOT TAKE ANYTHING, HE ONLY GIVES! If God says He formed your child in your womb why would he take (kill) it away. What kind of schizophrenic god do yall serve? The devil STEALS KILLS AND DESTROYS. God give LIFE ABUNDANTLY.
The point is: Why God would give Job everything he have, if he would take it back again anyways?
God is suxh an asshole.
@@IloveF-CXandF-CFalconViper God didn't take it the devil did. It was Jobs fault. Not God. John 10:10 the thief only comes to steal kill and destroy, I have come so you would have life and more abundantly. The devil went to God and asked for Job, Job had an open door to the enemy of fear. He was making sacrifices for his family out of fear they had sinned. If Job had only made his one offering instead of all the extras the enemy could not have stolen his family. Job blamed it on God because he was not aware of the devils existence, and back then they believed that God was in control of everything (same as now) when the devil is called the god of this world. 2 Corinthians 4:4. He had dominion here until Jesus took back the keys of death hell and the grave. The devil is an a-hole not God. He loves us so much that He sent his one and only son to die for us. He lived a perfect sinless life and was tortured on the cross so He could save the very people who put Him on it. I hope one day you can see God for who He really is. I'm sorry for any hurt you've experienced from Christianity. Some people are not the best representatives for Jesus, and I can definitely be one of them. We aren't perfect but we should strive to look and love like the Father.
I was looking for an intro to a Bible Study but I think I just found my finale. I cried at least 3 times. Powerful story and an even more powerful God. Bless you as you continue your work.
Amen!
Not powerful enough to run a simulation? I treat my sim characters better than your god treats people.
That's beautiful! God is amazing!!!!! Amen!!!!!
My wife and I lost our baby boy almost a year ago today!....And my wife just told me that I helped her keep her faith during that trying time in our life. All I did was.....Around the time when he died, I told my wife the story of Job....She still has a hard time with his loss, but doesn't blame herself or the Lord like she started to do! So it did my heart good to hear that something I learned as a child in church...CHANGED her negative way of thinking and helped her keep her faith.
I hope my story helps someone else out there!!!!
GOD has a PLACE and a PLAN for ALL OF US.
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My parents divorced. It ruined the family. We lost our house. I went off to college and then my dad's place burns down and because of bills from the forclosed house he couldn't pay the insurance bill so I dropped out even after working hard to be a deans list student and go back and help my Dad. Not long after his mother died and then his father. My high school best friend killed himself and two months and a day later my college best friend killed himself. I was homeless. Sleeping in a slide and some of my "friends" had made a mocking and cruel comment on twitter while I'm laying there crying and they are warm in bed with all their earthly needs met...my stomach hurts.
When things start looking up I find out my "business partner " had been lying and manipulating me. I left with nothing after years of hard work.
I've wanted to die so much. God take me... But I didn't. I had seen what happens when someone takes their own life to the few that loved them. So I fought everyday. It was hard. REALLY HARD...it was lonely. It was humiliating... And then I met Mr. Hagen. And he brought me back to God. And it was nice. And one day I decided to flip open the bible to a random page and start reading...
The book of Job
And I cried tears about my life for the first time WITH TEARS OF JOY
GOD IS GOOD.
I'm 26. My place is paid in full. My car is paid. My bills are minimal due to house hacking. I bought my Dad a Rolex and myself one. I've helped friends buy a used car. I have a great best friend. Money comes easy to me more than I ever thought possible.
It's so funny to me because reading Job 😂 God thank you for giving and taking. You are KING always and forever in my ❤️
Be good and love the Lord. -Mardu (past pastor)
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Wow!! Thanks so much for sharing your story, Nick. Really powerful to hear how God was with you throughout the really tough times. To God be all the glory! God bless you 😊
I'm glad you were able to turn things around.
🙌🏽 my story is so similar. In 2020 I opened the Bible it opened to the book of Job……it took my breath away in a good way, I sobbed with joy. God used Job to save me and bring me into His Kingdom and meet Jesus.
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Thank you Spoken Gospel for doing a video about Job. I just found your channel today.
Wow.. that's a touching story. I love that it ends with your relationship with God our Father and His Son Lord Jesus Christ. What success... God is good all the time. All the time God is Good. In Jesus name Hallelujah
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Our family suffered a major loss when our youngest boy, just 10 years old, died in a freak accident three years ago. The book of Job had been something the Lord has brought me back to again and again as I have personally sought to grow in my faith in spite of the intense grief of losing my little boy. Fast forward to today.... We are a homeschool family and Job is what we are currently working through in our Bible study work. THANK YOU for this encouragement this morning. I found your video "by accident" and was not prepared for the balm it would be for our still-hurting hearts. May God bless this ministry richly.
To have God first in your life he lessens the pain and suffering of anything life throws at you
I feel like Job. I have endured so much headache and pain in my life, and I'm still going through it. God knows 🙏 that I am so tired of this world 🌎.I was born in a poverty-stricken neighborhood. I've had two really bad parents. I've been through Hurricane 🌀 Katrina. Suffered two miscarriages. The list goes on and on. I'm tired. I really don't know why God keeps putting me through this. I love ❤️ GOD but I don't know how much I can take.
Praying God's grace and provision for your life! 🙏
Thank you my Christian brethren for explaining the story of Job (Ayub in Islamic tradition). It was such a strong support for me in my trials. Thank you.
Balled my eyes with this video 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 please make more videos!
The Spoken Gospel team is so gifted! Over and over again I am amazed by the content on this channel. So creative, so moving, so theologically rich and deep. Your videos have greatly enhanced my daily time with the Lord in His Word. Thank you so much for your love for the Word of God and for all that you do! To God be the glory!
Wow, thank you so much, Ariane! We appreciate your kind words!
we keep moving even though we have pain we also pray aman
I love these! Blessings and God's wisdom into all who desire Him and more of Him in Jesus name Amen 🙏🏽
I lost the man i was believing God for..but God..i love you even if i never get what i want or prayed for. Teach me to see only you and put you first. Even if the whole world leave me i will still praise you. I love you
Thank you to everyone involved in making these videos. I can only imagine the time that’s put into them from writing the poetry, to organizing the acting and sets and then the video editing. I can tell you that your labor and efforts are having an positive impact on people’s faith, including mine. The way you share God’s word is powerful. Thank you again. 2 Corinthians 13:14
Wow, thanks so much, Kevin. Appreciate your support. God bless!
The problem is that Job was never brought up to speed about this “wager” between the Satan and God, so he really couldn’t give a complete testimony. When Job asked God why, God refuses to answer his HONEST question and tries putting him in his place. To me I have hard time with this book, jealous love is not true love. If God is like a Father to us, we would never put our kids in these cruel conditions to test their faith/“love” in this manner. It’s like when you get married and you’ve taken your vows, you trust and love your spouse unconditionally. Why would I then start testing their “faith” or love if they’ve done nothing but keep to the vows. That would be jealousy, and true love is not jealous.
This is one of my favorite books in the bible! Thank u for representing this so well! Brought tears to my eyes!
The point from Job to Jesus is unexpected. Great work
Amen 'Saviat Ysar' 🧡
Thank God for your courage, protection, your blessings 🙏🏽👍♥️
This is sooooo good! May God bless you all as He guides You to make these videos!
GOD 🙏🏻 BLESS 🙏🏻 EVERYONE 🙏🏻
I am going through similar experience like Job. At times, the pain is too much to bear. At times of my hopeless, dewair, and doubt, God shows me mercy and grace! In times of my of my distress and suffering, I have trust God in His good plans and promises!
The first time I read the book of Job I didn't understand it, but I came across this video and it helps a lot
So glad to hear!
Amen 🙏🏻 Praise the Lord 🙏🏼
God is Good 😇🤗
Thanks 😊
I thank God for my life, and I believe God for a job and open doors into my life and to bring my brothers that are lot back home.
Good stuff, got a smile to heaven , because God seems to always give me enough to get by
If we have pain in our body we still know that jesus is still here
Thank you for this inspired instruction. I was already onboard with God’s incomprehensible majesty and the absurdity and arrogance of judging that which is infinitely beyond our comprehension. But in the end you brought the truth bomb home. Holy Jesus is ground zero. He knows suffering, injustice, torture, and all sin, not just cognitively, but experientially. Praise the Lord. Excuse me while I go rethink my life.🙏
The Lord gives and the Lord takes away ~ Blessed be the name of the Lord
Where was I when the Lord gave? - and where will I be when the Lord takes away?
- surely I'll be in the same place
Perhaps it's not the meaning of life that is so important but rather the life of meaning?
Neverthemore and nevertheless, it seems clear that the presence of life seems to be not only the all in all but life in all
And if God is life, and there is death in life, then there is life in death.
First time on here I feel like I've lost mostly everything I worked hard for and one person I truly loved it's a painful journey and long journey my pain has been going on April 2020 up until today I'm hoping this pain and bad luck will pass as I'm exhausted mentally
Amazing
I love this
Maker of the earth and the sky all the earth is full of your glory and birds in the morning singing amen
For a breakthrough understanding of the Book of Job, see the novel "Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - Burke." Excellent work.
Amazing! I wanted to ask if you explain the part when Job says:
What I feared has come upon me; what I dreaded has happened to me- Job 3:25.
I've always wondered what he truly meant about that.
Love your videos! Thank you!
Thank you so much! So happy that you’re loving the videos!
As for Job 3:25, Job is lamenting over everything he has lost. When he says, “What I feared has come upon me,” his greatest fears have come true. We don’t need to read into this and think Job was walking around every day fearful that something bad was going to happen to his family, property, and health. Rather, these are things that anyone would dread happening to themselves. Job is basically saying, the worst fears that beset the world have fallen upon me. It is powerful lament language.
Hope that helps!
@@SpokenGospel Thank you so very much! It absolutely did 💕. Cheering you on!!
[re: what I dreaded came upon me] Job became like the senseless nameless brood that he tried to place a protective covering around
(see chapters 29,30,31)
For what ever reason I love the book of Job. I can listen to it over and over It’s my favorite
I love a good gambling story too
The finished work of the Cross of Christ is the POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION.
BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD
PRAISE YESHUA
Shalon from Oklahoma!!! This channel is such a blessing for my study oif the Old testament and helping to now only understand, but to apply it to the foreknowledge of prophecies and speaks of to the New Testament.
Powerful! Thank you
Wow! The GOSPEL is so beautiful!
I don’t want to be that guy, but the gospel are only 4 books in the Bible. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
@@markmata2671 thank you for your concern but we meant Gospel message not Gospel account. Bless you DIVIN3FAM!
@@DIVIN3KINGDOM fair enough! God bless!
@@markmata2671 right on Bro! Keep being awesome for Jesus!
@@DIVIN3KINGDOM you guys as well, God bless!!
I felt blessed overflowingly after watching this ♥️ thank you for creating such elaborate videos in a very interesting way. I hope for more people to see this.
So nice of you. Thanks for commenting!
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Beautiful exposition
Thank you
God's grace is wonderful and sweat
Thank you very much to create this video, it convinced me again no greater love than Jesus love for every one of us. Keep up the wonderful work. GOD bless you all abundantly.
Thank you Martina!
Open door 🚪 lord amen
VERY powerful video! Thank you! I am about to read the Book of Job now. Your video has helped excite me.
Watched this like 5 more times! This was SUPER POWERFUL!
It helped me so much! Thanks!
To God be the glory!
Amen! Glad you found it helpful. God bless!
I love this and your explaining is amazing. Thank you thank you for sharing!! The book of Job in the Bible is my favorite story. It always makes me so thankful for everything and hopeful despite bad things going on. I red Job in a hard time in my life and I am greatful that I came across this book.
Thank you for sharing this.
This brought tears
This channel is a blessing
World is not perfect but we need to trust God
This is powerful.
Thank you for this... 💖🙏 Incredible job!
Glad you enjoyed it! God bless!
Another fantastic video! You're doing a great job!
Wow amazing. God is amazing!
My ex partner and I broke up a month ago. He is the first man I ever truly loved and I thought we would be together forever. It’s a shame that we didn’t last but I trust that Lord knows what’s best for the both of us. If he is the right person for me, God will bring him back according to His will. If not, God will bring in someone who is right for me. I don’t understand what God’s plan for me is just like Job. But I believe that God will give me a happy ending like he did for Job 🙏
I love these videos !!
Beautifully done!!!
This was good
Ugh. Brilliant. Subscribing. Thank you for this!
I have been through hell and I’m lost and I’m lucky with my the fellowship I have
My wife has struggled with hardship all her life. Abusive parents, teachers, classmates, past boyfriends. You name it. The thing is, she always prayed to God for help, but it never seemed to come. She refuses to not believe in God, but stories like this only convince her that her destiny is to suffer for God's plan. And if that's her fate, then she'd rather die. While I can bring up examples of grace and blessings in her life, they pale in comparison to the suffering. Honestly, I'm not sure what to do :(
Just stay by her side. I could've written her story but I have no one and it's hard.
This video was interesting eye opening and by my life lately also in December of 2020 I git hit by a suv and i had a few beloved things werer with me including my new phone which was unharmed thanks to my Christian God of the Baptist Bible but now it is misplaced and I hope and pray I get it back thank you the inspiration and making this video and anyone out there in a bad place like Job if you walk with the Lord you can best believe he will walk with you too!
How people can twist this story is beyond me. Gods arrogant display of power at the expense of a righteous man is abhorrant . Making excuses for God is weak and a betrayal of morals No one is absolved of criticism, not even a god.The story of Job is appalling, and guilding the lily is almost as bad.
Can you explain how this video "twists this story"?
This was AMAZING!
This helped me so much. Thank you.
Bless you guys...
Very moving!
THE BOOK OF JOB IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS THING I'VE EVER HEARD!!! it made me give up on religion completely!!!
Amazing!
“HIS” will!
Ecclesiastes 7:13-15
Easy-to-Read Version
13 Look at what God has made. You cannot change a thing, even if you think it is wrong. 14 When life is good, enjoy it. But when life is hard, remember that God gives us good times and hard times. And no one knows what will happen in the future.
People Cannot Really Be Good
15 In my short life, I have seen everything. I have seen good people die young, and I have seen evil people live long lives.
beautiful
It's interesting to me that the wisdom books really "talk to each other" (this is NOT to say they contradict each other). From Proverbs, one could (wrongly) assume that the law of reciprocity (what you sow is also what you will reap) is ALWAYS true. Ecclesiastes then comes in and says "yeahhhhhh, but sometimes it doesn't work like that... but in the end, it's still good to have a healthy reverence for the LORD and to follow the advice of proverbs." Job then gives a clear example that the law of reciprocity is... actually not a law at all. Sometimes the righteous reap suffering when they did not sew folly.
If you think about it, the book of Job also shows us how GRACE is possible. If there is underserved suffering, then there is also undeserved mercy. Both of these truths are displayed clearly on the cross of Christ. Because of Christ's undeserved suffering, all who put their trust in Him receive underserved mercy (I love Romans 5:12-21!). Job teaches us the way things work in a world tarnished by sin. God MET US in the world we live in (the world of Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Job) and it was within that broken framework that He FIXED IT. More than anything else, Job shows us our propensity to misinterpret our circumstances and strongly proclaims the words penned by the prophet Isaiah's hand:
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven
and do not return there but water the earth,
making it bring forth and sprout,
giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,
11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth;
it shall not return to me empty,
but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it. ~ Isaiah 55:8-11, ESV
Although Christ's work is accomplished, we still live in the world of Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Job. But the rules of this corrupted world will come to an abrupt end. The Kingdom of God is here; but it's also not yet fully set in place. Christ WILL come again to finish what He started.
Mu ha mm ad-the messenger of GOD-and those with him are harsh and stern against the disbelievers, but kind and compassionate amongst themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating, as they seek GOD's blessings and approval. Their marks are on their faces, because of prostrating. This is the same example as in the Torah. Their example in the Gospel is like plants that grow taller and stronger, and please the farmers. He thus enrages the disbelievers. GOD promises those among them who believe and lead a righteous life forgiveness and a great recompense.
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Sure! The best way is through our partner Open Network (requires a free account). We're working on getting this added through our website as well. Sorry for the confusion! (Job is pending upload, FYI): open.life.church/partners/spoken-gospel
The book of Job is probably the most prescient book of our time. Over some 3000 years, the Judeo-Christian religion has suffered 2 major crises of faith with the 2nd described by
Nietzsche as man’s murder of God. When we appeal to God as Job does - our belief so strong that we would simply ignore all else. It is then and only then when we do not get the answer we seek, that our relationship with god is changed forever. The lesson of Job is the warning of man’s illusory dogma which is his construct and not God’s. It is this rare type of arrogance that leads to much suffering. In this post-modern world, material science is the new God but that too has its own limitations. Where will Job look next?
I can not be the only Christian who hate this book/story- sorry if that is Blasphemous. This answered nothing. Basically, the ONLY reason that Job suffered was to prove to Satan that Job was faithful? Why did God do that? Like, who even cares about satan? And Job was punished for no reason? Then on top of being punished, he was accused by his friends? How does this book teach us anything? Other than God can hurt you if He chooses to? Without cause?
Thank you for your very honest and heartfelt comment. I definitely sympathize with you over the difficulty of this book. There is an irony to your questions, however, that gets to the heart of the book of Job. Like Job's friends, you are looking for a justification for Job's horrible situation. Like Job's friends, and Job himself, we want answers for why things go wrong. Now, it is worth noting that it would be an oversimplification to say that God put Job through this to prove Satan wrong. God gave us this story, not to show how he won an argument with Satan, but to address the misguided theology of Job's day (and ours) that always seeks to attach every blessing to a good action and every bit of suffering to an evil action. Put differently, we want explanations for why things happen - especially bad things. The book of Job is such good news because it proves to us that even in the worst circumstances, especially when we can't put our finger on why things have gone so wrong, God is doing something greater and more incomprehensible than we could possibly discover, define, or predict. God's point in Job is that all suffering has a purpose and is justifiable, even when we can't see its purpose or find a justification. The fact that you are offended by Job means that it is working. You are inhabiting Job's frustration. Just don't stop there. The next step is the one God asked Job to take. To trust him even when he can't understand why God's actions are good, purposeful, and justified. That is the step of faith we must take to trust that God is working all things for good.
@@SpokenGospel I appreciate this response. When you write "The book of Job is such 'good news' because it proves to us that even in the worst circumstances, especially when we can't put our finger on why things have gone so wrong, God is doing something greater and more incomprehensible than we could possibly discover, define, or predict" I do not see that at all. I kind of see if as a SCARY news, because essentially at any time ever God could cause suffering to the faithful without provocation or reason. Its basically like you are saying our suffering (even though it is at our deep and personal cost and we never asked to exist) is somehow good for God because it lets Him do something greater? That seems weird and contrary to God's nature of not wanting me to suffer. And to then say "God's point in Job is that all suffering has a purpose and is justifiable, even when we can't see its purpose or find a justification." How can this be true if so much suffering (at least in my mind) is from the devil? In the book of Job, Satan did not CAUSE the suffering, which is what gets me. God simply permitted it to prove a point to Satan-- Your explanation of a "misguided theology" DOES help me at least with that part of the story but what doesn't the Bible just flat out say that? Still, does Satan ever get accused of suffering? For example, If a girl is raped by her older brother, was there a "purpose" in that suffering- based on what you wrote? Based on Job, did God "allow" that suffering? How could I know if satan caused a suffering or if God just allowed it to occur? Is her sexual assault "justifiable"? The cause of some greater good? Yes, we hear stories like Joyce Meyer, but what about all the other girls who did not want to publicize their suffering in front of the world, or who even did not reach that liberation in life? What is their greater good? I know in Gods response He says we cannot understand, but that still makes it very very sad. In terms of "trusting" God, humans do not really have any other option, because we are human and He is God. At least for me, my trust is not a "willful" trust, but more of a last option trust because I cannot trust anyone else. A mustard seed faith, literally.
@@21truthbetold Thank you for responding honestly and fairly. You bring up a lot of justifiable points, many of which are constantly being discussed and debated by some of the greatest Christian and non-Christian theologians and philosophers of our day (and of pretty much every past generation going all the way back to Job).
I definitely cannot answer every question you raised in this format. What I can do is point out one really good thing about your response and add one piece of clarification. After that, I'll leave some recommended resources for you to go and dialogue with.
First, your "mustard seed" of faith that trusts in God as kind of a last resort may not sound good or healthy or robust to you, but it is! Sometimes, that's all we can muster. And the good news is, it's all God requires of us. I just want to encourage you to cling to that bit of faith as you wrestle with these difficult issues.
Second, I think some of your hang-ups come from a view of God that has been formed more by a consequentialist ethic than the Bible. A consequentialist ethic determines something's good based on how much human suffering it causes or prevents. Something is good insofar as it keeps the greatest amount of people from the greatest amount of suffering. Something is bad insofar as it causes the greatest amount of people the greatest amount of harm. This is not the ethic of the Bible. The ethic of the Bible is that God is good and his actions are good in and of themselves. Therefore, to construct an ethical system apart from God and then use it against God to value his actions as either good or bad is an attempt to become God ourselves. This is the whole point of Job - to break down our false theological, philosophical, and ethical categories as they pertain to why suffering exists in the world and what God's role is within it. All the book allows us to say at the end is what Job says in Job 42:1-6. The good news is that it sounds a lot like the mustard seed faith you have now!
I know this isn't an easy answer and that there is still a ton of grey area and rocks to turn over. Hopefully the resources below will prove helpful at filling in some of these gaps - though I do believe there are some gaps in the conversation that will not be filled this side of heaven.
"Walking with God through Pain and Suffering" Timothy Keller
"How Long, O Lord?: Reflections on Suffering and Evil" D.A. Carson
"God's Greater Glory" Bruce Ware
Great way to compare the different diatribes like defenses in court. One of my drama teachers pointed out that Job reads like one of the first scripts and the different voices in the dialogues feel like they are meant to be read like a play.
Thoughts on Eliphaz?
Yes! It does read a lot like a play, or in this case, a court transcript. I have a lot of thoughts on Eliphaz! Haha. What are you wondering in particular?
Spoken Gospel where is Elipaz being insightful and when is he just being hot headed and young? He seems to accurately analyze some of the problems with the other three friends but still not be quite on the same page as God’s overwhelming heart. What do you see his role is?
@@keepperspective It is difficult with any of Job's friends to parse right from wrong. I believe the goal of Job is not for us to try to sift through the friends' wrong responses to find what is right or redeemable in them. Rather, I believe the goal of reading the dialogues from Job's friends, even Eliphaz, is to provide a thorough discussion on what's called "retributive justice." This is the idea that good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people on a one to one basis. If something bad happens to you, you did something to deserve it. This is the ideology God says is wrong. Job shows us that our suffering accomplishes more than just punishment for sin. Sometimes, our suffering can be a part of something bigger God is doing - namely gaining glory for himself or refining us into more holy people.
As for our instinct to say, "Well, not all of what Eliphaz and his friends said is wrong," I think that is one of the problems Job is highlighting. Bad theology is often laced with good intentions and other right ideas about God. However, a little poison ruins the whole dish, if you will. Using right theological claims about God to prove a wrong theological conclusion does not make the right claims redeemable. Instead, this observation should cause us to look for theological claims that are really wolves in sheep's clothing. Ideas that sound like they have a lot of right and biblical ideas in them, but that draw wrong and unbiblical conclusions.
I hope this is helpful.
Spoken Gospel Lovely answer and quite a clear cut through of the argumentative overgrowth to expose the root of the problem. Part of the sticky bit is it is quite easy for us to detect the biblical parts of a premise and then get muffled about objecting to the unbiblical conclusion. As you say, the enemy’s strategy, seen even in the throne rooms scenes, is reduction, have less of God and fewer biblical premises at all. If you leave out a bit of God’s character, you can still sound like your own the straight and narrow while going the absolute opposite direction. So in Job’s friends we recognize when the right sound resolves to discord, as Michael Card says, “They all sound so right but they’re wrong about you.” Underneath the accusations leveled at Job always lie attacks on the character of God, that he is too harsh, too simple and too small for Job to worship Him for His own sake. So God’s answer is always his overwhelming size and completeness, or as Paul says, to put the total fullness of God accessible to us in Christ. And then there is nothing to do but bow down and worship.
On a structural level, why not summarize Eliphaz with the three friends? Why is it not four friends? The books structure introduces him so late, outside of the pattern of threefold argument and response. Why is it important that he is separate and last?
Hm, don’t get me wrong, this was really well made. However, when I read the book of Job, what I get from it is that no one is good but God alone. Jesus even makes this statement in Mark 10:18. You also left out a key part of the book, namely when Elihu speaks to Job and his friends, which I believe is representative of the Holy Spirit because he convicts Job of his pride. He says that Job has justified himself and that’s something you don’t do. Also notice how God never condemns Elihu for the words he spoke, but God does condemn his three friends. It’s an often overlooked portion of the book and I wonder why. Everyone wants to make themselves Job because they’re going through something. But as the Word says, Job was “blameless”. How many of us are totally blameless? Not one. People say God is okay with us having a lot of money because just look at Job. But the Bible says Job was blameless. Again, how many of us are blameless? Not one. God was making a point of that and God knew Job would fail, but it was never about Job. And it’s not about our suffering. After God made His point, he generously gave Job more than he had before. What a good God we serve!
Amen
Job has some of the deepest stuff in the bible.
People seem thrown on the time it was written but it seems eliphaz the temanite comes through Esau's line. An amazing book, it'll shred your head better than the good Las Vegas way.
format C:\head\ proverbs 👍
God promises restore the years the locusts have eaten. It can be so hard to wait. Job doesn't say how long it took for God to reward his faithfulness. Job doesn't even say how long he was sick.
Thanks so much for this. Helps a lot and it is timely 🙏. I just read a blog/article summarizing Job that claims Satan In verses 1-2 is not actually Satan but “the satan.” A non-evil being. That group also references “the satan” in their corresponding video about Job. This was a very confusing and frustrating way to being a book that tackles difficult topics. Especially because I haven’t found anything to corroborate that explanation, and my Bible NIV and KJV, in Job, refer to Satan, capital S, no “the”. Have you heard this before and should I just disregard it and keep it moving? Thank you
🔪🐍🗡 “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” Matthew (27:46)
“He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.” Matthew (26:39)
Amen 🙏❤
Nos encantó este recurso para mostrárselos a los adolescentes acá en Argentina, pero lamentablemente ninguno habla inglés. Por eso lo doblamos al español. Si alguien lo quiere ver en español valla a este link. th-cam.com/video/I-agcvBEnek/w-d-xo.html
Muchas gracias por este hermoso material, fue de gran bendición!
Thank you for translating this video so it can reach more people, awesome 🙏🏾.
Ok let me just say, that kid is adorable.
I don’t know maybe Lucy was onto something
Job and God's relationship seems abusive!!! After Job continuously defends God's action...God only scolds Job for no reason other than to prove something to Satan?!....that's not love?! 🤔
What if god killed his son and wife completely? Erased there souls? He could do that right? So as long as job was done right in the end it doesn’t matter?
Jesus was sinless, yet he suffered for our sins.
I LOST MY first baby finding the reason why God please
I think message this book gives is incredibly misleading. “In suffering, God is doing something greater than anyone can comprehend” 7:02 is simply ignorant to what actually happened in the story. What I got from all of this is that God is ignorant to human well being and life. If Job had found out that God had let Satan do all those things to Job then I bet he would curse God and I think he should. God essentially put a wager on Job, endangering his life and his well being just to prove a point to Satan. An innocent God fearing man who is being used and God doesn’t even go to Job and tell him. Job is completely unaware of the conversation between God and Satan, instead of God telling Job the real reason why he is suffering he goes to him saying “ Your asking me why you’re suffering? Explain to me how I stitched the wind together”. What?! Even at the end of the story he gets more kids and crops but was it even worth it? The crops are nice but the kids he originally lost simply cannot be replaced by having more kids.
When is the feast of st.job
Wow
Thank you, Jerin 🙏
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Isaiah 43:11-12 Living Bible
11 I am the Lord, and there is no other Savior. 12 Whenever you have thrown away your idols, I have shown you my power. With one word I have saved you. You have seen me do it; you are my witnesses that it is true.
Matthew 22:30 Living Bible
30 For in the resurrection there is no marriage; everyone is as the angels in heaven.
Isaiah 62:5-7
1 Peter 3:6 Amplified Bible
6 just as Sarah obeyed Abraham [following him and having regard for him as head of their house], calling him [a]lord. And you have become her daughters if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear [that is, being respectful toward your husband but not giving in to intimidation, nor allowing yourself to be led into sin, nor to be harmed].
Footnotes
1 Peter 3:6 In ancient times a common *title of honor and respect.*