BMW M5 vs Holden HRV GTS-R - With Richard Hammond
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- Embark on an exhilarating automotive showdown as the charismatic Richard Hammond thrusts two titans of the road, the iconic BMW M5 and the formidable Holden HRV GTS-R, into a high-stakes battle of supremacy.
In this adrenaline-fueled spectacle, witness Hammond meticulously dissect the performance and handling prowess of these super saloons, pushing them to their limits. Get ready for a gripping ride as Hammond determines which of these automotive marvels emerges victorious in the ultimate test of speed, style, and substance.
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The VT Commodore has aged very well in comparison to other cars of the period, came out in 1997.
Car Nut thats true considering its age the vt still looks good today. I know other cars that came out in 1997 that look like garbage.
+TheWretchedWorld and the LS1 in many of them is still one the best bang for the buck, and one of the most reliable and versatile V8s you can get.
Just do a search on TH-cam, people LS all the things.
Car Nut hows your avg fuel? Mines 14.2l/100km in my vt clubby
Mine varies as I do a lot of different driving, purely around town with an average speed of 40km/h it does 16L/100km+ however a mix it does sit around 14.3L. My best was actually two days ago coming back from the center of Sydney to Maitland (Newcastle) it did 9.2L/100km.
Hows it going now? Mine usually sits mid 14s in Adelaide metro, but with a couple of runs to nearby country towns lately it's now 13.8 at an avg speed of about 48km.
1500 rpm at 110? clubby is 1500 rpm at about 90, more like 1800 at 110 haha. The clubsport has a 3.73 rear diff which actually kind of annoys me, I think i'd prefer the 3.4 diff from the SS to make the first 2 gears feel smoother.
Everyone making fun of holdens and fords, saying they are "just a sedan with a powerful motor", well to us Aussies they are a lot more than that. They are our history. It's a patriotic thing. That feeling of driving an ss or an xr8, the feeling of being a true aussie hahaha. At the end of the day, it's not about the performance cause it's illegal to drive like that anyway. What's important is the feeling the car gives the driver, and that's what makes our holdens and fords special.
jaxon cook I
Why I love my Falcon Ute so much. The 4L straight 6 has more than enough torque, the car is quite fast, amazingly comftorble and can spin the wheels so easy. Making it such a fun car to drive. When the roads aren't wet, it even handles very well considering its size.
not sure how they making fun of Vauxhall when they had the fastest sedan in the world and also the fastest street legal car in UK, the Lotus Carlton and Vauxhall Victor, no sedan car could rival the Carlton and it would ace through any challengers, Mercedes and BMWs did not stand a chance until later they made faster cars
yeah, it cracks me up watching him ragging on the holden being 'cheap' and 'not quite as fast'. ive done trips around nz in my ve commodore (v6 too, i might add) that you would never do in an m5 simply because it wouldnt stick to the road. the commodore was always a far more nimble car than anything produced by bmw (the 3 series is in another class of its own; im talking anything 5 series or bigger). top gear has always had a small boner for bmws, but when you want cheap, reliable, and very fast fun, go aussie, and get a falcon or commodore
Don't forget reliable engineering brother, both the Barra 6 and the LS1 where great engines
"Built by BMW, so it shouldn't break" Damn, well then your in for a surprise.
E39s are reliable if u maintain them mate
@@JM-io2uv but bmw in General are unreliable
It’s not uncommon to see commodores, especially ecotec ones with 300,000+km.
That’s just breaking them in. 😂
@@JM-io2uv, any car can be reliable if you maintain it enough. It’s a question of how much time and money you have to spend on the thing to keep it running.
@@jayden793, it’s hit and miss with BMW, they have made some cars really worth holding on to, and some you’ll want to avoid at all costs.
HRV? No, it's a HSV - Holden Special Vehicles. Got it wrong Hammond, sorry.
cause hes british
Holden retiree vehicles
does not matter still a heap of Crap
@@aussieletts5313 better than your POS ford
HSV stands for heap of sh$t Vehicles
Im a Ford Aus man but to see the Holden compared to an iconic German manufacture is a compliment in itself. Who cares if it falls just shy of the M5, it was and always has been just a four door family car for us Australians (was never meant to be anything that special). We all know the Germans basically rule the roost when in comes to engineering so us Australians were doing alright at Holdens and Ford Aus
I remember the Australian Motor Magazine coordinated this with some of their European counterparts (CAR magazine? Who thought it the replacement for the Opel Calibra) and Greg Kable. They shipped this particular HSV over to Europe along with Mark Skaife to do a comparo at the Nurburgring with pro racer Anders Olofsson, who did an 8:15 or so lap with the GTS, compared to 8:30 in the M5. Clearly nowhere near as refined as the Germans, but it sure put the Germans to shame at the Nurburgring!
Yeah when Hammond said "it's not as quick as the M5" - the only way to tell is the stopwatch!
They did the falcon tour of Europe and someone at GM took the coupe 4 to the ring unofficially.
Lol … great pub yarn
Which of the two would still be running today, I'd say the simple LS powered Commodore.
not to mention the parts are still cheap
There both still running
The LS1 would have burnt a huge amount of oil and probably needed a rebuild by now. The BMW is bulletproof if treated well.
HSV is SORN now with no MOT since mid 2020.. 😢
@@timjones7336
My HSV is on 136000 and burns no oil. It also has a big cam and 443 bhp.
The best version of the M5, tastefully understated.
Yeah i have a mint 2001 silver one. Could never sell it. Ha ha.
M5 is more of a 5.0 (4.9 to be precise) than 4.0 liters..
100% true.
it is 4.9
Couldn't even get the European vehicle info correct...
Nor does it tighthen up the suspension when the sport button is pressed ;)
@@PowerslideSWE lol, thank you! I press that button every day and have never noticed any lowering or stiffening
Hammond’s comment about the BMW’s traction control is exactly what I love about the Holden’s I’ve driven. One single button press to turn off the traction control and then you are completely uninhibited.
If the The Grand Tour ever do a Australian special would love to see them pick aussie cars over the fancy cars used on the Top Gear episode.
Yeah I agree that would be fun to watch. Put them in the most powerful Aussie built cars, and see how they react to them.
@@wtfisthis2316 why would they bother? Tesla flogs anything built in Australia, even our crap V8 so called supercars.
@@joshstafford4410 take the tesla to a drag strip, they still lose to stock hellcats
@@randomdude4669 yeah, because Tesla's were designed solely for the drag strip...
Take your crappy hellcat and race a Tesla, on the street, where it was designed for and see what happens 🤦♂️
@@joshstafford4410 on a road longer than 300metres it will be eaten
That commo looks huge next to Hammond :)
So would a honda fit to be fair 🤣
So does a twelve year old
The real reason GM cancelled Holden was that it out the US made GM cars to shame.
Onya Aussie's
And this is why i love the gto. Everyone bashed it in the us when it came out saying it wasn’t American but its a better built car then the same year corvettes.
the bmw comes in a huge range of colours from the 'german rainbow' - white, black , silver.....umm
This was 2013, the BMW will be a money pit now, where as the Holden will still be ticking along quite nicely
2013 😂😂 this was like 1997. Vt commodore!!
Mine is ticking along with 135000 miles and 443 bhp
I smell sour grapes mate
i think the M5 is a 4.9 or nearly 5 liter :)
he said that m5 is a 4 liter when in reality its a 4.9 haha this guy is a car show host
Mustve gone back in time and got it confused with the e92 m3
who frickin cares
Does anyone else think that the VT/VX Commodores have aged a bit better than the VY/VZ?
Ben Ward I agree with the vx but the vts big ugly tailight sorta ruins it a little
@@mincenchez5887 VX maybe but the VT will always have an ugly rear
Ben Ward- VY is still my favorite , done right.
The VT 's came out with a 12mm ride height fluctuation from the factory the lower ones made a difference talking about standard vehicle stance/ appearance.
I sold my VY SS replacing it with a VF SSV, the VF was a great Swansong for Holden build quality and driveability wise but 4 years on I still haven't warmed to the appearance probably because the factory FE3 was ludicrously high for a Sports series variant.
the M5 comes with more electronic faults as standard .
HRV?
e39 was the last true M5
You have a profile picture of a fake M car then.
The E60 M5 would like a word with you
As an Australian Germany i like both
sport mode does not lower the m5 or change the steering at all. It's strictly throttle.
The car being featured is actually a HSV GTS... Not a "Holden HRV GTS"...
The company name is Holden Special Vehicles...
So calling it a "Holden HRV GTS" is pretty much calling it a 'Holden Holden R??? Vehicles GTS'...
In particular, the model being featured is a HSV GTS 'T Series' which is based on the Holden VT Commodore platform.
In Australia, Holden produces cars that range from hatches, sedans, station wagons, utes and SUV's", they have a few sports models, like the Holden 'series model' (like VB, VC, VH, VK, VL VL, VN, VP, VR, VS, VT, VX, VY, VZ, VE, VF) Commodore SS.
HSV is a separate company that specializes in making extreme sport versions of the Holden range.
For example, the Holden VT Commodore was made into several HSV variants;
HSV T Series XU6
HSV T Series Clubsport
HSV T Series Maloo Ute
HSV T Series GTS
"T series" signifies the base model that it is designed off of...
A VE commodore being adapted by HSV into a GTS becomes an 'E series GTS'.
It was a gtsr, the gts had 340 bhp, the gtsr had 410bhp.
GTSR was built exclusively for the UK market at the request of the importers for HSV products in the UK and was not commercially sold in Australia...
There was no HSV T series GTSR for Australian consumers.
"Build # 19 of 20 made by HSV for export exclusively to the UK, of which only 5 were specially released to Australian VIP's, this HSV is one special vehicle with 300kW..."
From the Auction of Build #19
So, considering it was a VERY LIMITED run of just 20 cars, to appease the poms, and not commercially available from HSV in Australia, you can understand why I stated that the car featured was a GTS.
No one gives a shit. Holden is ancient history anyway
Nice alphabets 🤣🤣🤣
Top gear need to feature the newest Holdens and the newest Falcons
yeah but they usually only feature cars that are available for purchase in the UK and as far as I know none of the newest Holdens and Falcons are available over there.
Akka V The HSV commodores are going over there the VE & VFs but sadly the Falcon isn't
Don't you guys got your own show?
spekhugger TopGear Au doesn't reach world wide audiences, TG UK needs to show modern Aussie cars so the whole world can see how great Aussie cars are.
Exactly ^^^^^
I thing that needs to be clear, it's a HSV not HRV , and it's more Opel Senator than Vauxhall . I have a 2005 VZ HSV , it's not a equal to a M series BMW or a AMG Mercedes , but it still brings a smile to face with 6.0 liters of Chevrolet's finest under the bonnet , oh yes , my traction control is a simple thing on or off easy peasy lemon squeesy
commodore665 different names for different markets, middle east its CSV/chevy special vehicles.
Holden's are badged as Vauxhauls in the uk, just like many Vauxhaul/opel cars are Holdens in australia.
Nabeel Ahmadi
thats true ; )
+commodore665 I've got a 2000 VT HSV. It's basically the same as this but for the callaway tuned engine the GTS had. Though, back then traction control was something only the GTS had, so my Clubby accidentally bags it up alot ;)
Had a 2001 m5 until 3 years ago. The traction control /stability control was actually dangerous. It would pull you off line and aim you for the scenery when it had a panic attack.
Fortunately the button next to the sport button turned it off.
My SOP after starting it was to turn it off.
in Australia e39 2000 m5 start at $25000 /2000 vx gts $25000 identical . You can buy a 2008 hsv gts for the same price
and the funny thing is 20 years later the HSV is still worth the $60k and going up where the BMW is only half its original value
Not in the UK. That M5 is starting to become quite the investment, the HSV, £10k will get you into one.
Pub yarn?
Nice shoes hammond
How could they get capacity of M5s engine wrong so many times in whole test whole editing
Odd for Hammond to get a stat like the capacity of the M5 wrong.
New news! Hammond, it is a 5 litre V8 engine
...and it is a Holden HSV GTS-R
zakris Actually, its just HSV GTS-R. Calling it Holden HSV is saying "Holden Holden Special Vehicles," which is wrong.
You're right!
Actually it's just a HSV GTS,The HSV GTS-R was the previous "VS" generation.
4dshow Anyhow it's not a HRV
When GM pulled the plug on us the Victorian Police got the M5 as a replacement for a pursuit car and is a twin turbo diesel , what was that? petrol or diesel?
All M5 are petrol not diesel. However, modern turbo diesel bmws are plenty fast. 300+ hp with bags and bags of torque. In fact my diesel X5 has over 100ft/lbs more torque than my e39 M5.
and its 5 litres not 4 litres on the M5. and by the way the suspension doesn't drop when you push the sport buttom
Top Gear always used to slag us off a bit , mostly tongue in cheek.
but Jezza used to always say what has Australia ever invented ?
Then went on to use WIFi on his phone for the next 15-20 years which CSIRO Australia invented. Lol 😂
Richard Hammond: gets to drive E39 M5
also Richard Hammond: *wears hiking boots to do it*
`The front of the Holden looks like a nice smile.
Its got a nice face & a great ass.
Yeah the VT
the traction control is more powerfull than the engine. lol!
hrv? wtf?? did Richard not look at the badges/sticker on the back window/ stuff in the centre console or even the gauge cluster right in front of his face?!??
I'm sure Richard Hammond already knows by now that the M5 has 4.9L (~5L)!
Had a VT - loved it. Have a VE - it’s better.
It is *"HSV"* - please correct title.
Is this an early episode of Top Gear?
Why is it hRv not HSV
Tidy article. You could order her from Saville Motors in Belfast 20 years ago for £49,000. Seen a red one up in Ardboe years ago. Some snort of her
WTF ?! Just turn traction crontrol off, the button is right there beside the one you just pressed for Sport mode...
And cue the Aussie boasting. Build and handling is nowhere near BMW class. Still good fun to drive, ended up with a 6L SSV.
I would say that the build quality isn’t that far off. BMW’s business model has been all about cutting corners since the early 80’s.
Been in both … class topped by BMW
Holden GTS the 'Elizameth Ferrari'!
he meant HSV. not HRV.
This BMW M5 had a 4.9 litre engine. Don't know why he's saying it's got a 4 litre ?? The Hamster should know better !!
Hammond-" These Holdens are the basis for cars raced at 'The Bathurst' annually. What a knobhead!
There is an old Aussie phrase regarding the Australian muscle cars, Commodores & Falcons, "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday".
They have the same basic outer shape as V8 supercar Commodores. And a gm engine. Suspension, driveline and chassis are all completely different. The motors are radically modified to suit supercar rules too. So basically there's only a vague resemblance. Nice one Hammond- living up to modern journalist's reputation.
4 LITER??? YOU HAD ONE JOB TO DO!!!!
Opel Omega?
Yeah the Commodore was based on Omega B, but re-engineered.
Probably the front doors are the only bits swappable between the two.
Pity the Omega never got a V8.
Falscher Bruce Don't forget Lotus Omega ;)
@@falscherbruce5522 Opel Diplomats were v8s.
but the Diplomat was before the Omega. It was more or less a 60s yank tank.
0 to 60 for the BMW , 0 to 60 4.9 for the Holden , you can notice the difference in acceleration .lol
I didn't get the laptop joke. 'it is bmw, so it shouldn't break' - how stupid does it osund today :)
I like how they both have kidney grilles.
back when this video was made if that holden was worth £50k which would have been the equivalent of $120k AUD... I don't think the Australians would have payed that.
HSV GTS was probably around $90K AUD back around 2001/2002
Ha ha what year was this video made? Looks about ten years old. But only published in 2013??
Says at the end it was filmed in 2001.
The BMW had more road noise i noticed.. hmmm
HRV LOL, pretty sure its HSV
Mark Graham different names for different markets, middle east its CSV/chevy special vehicles.
Holden's are badged as Vauxhauls in the uk, just like many Vauxhaul/opel cars are Holdens in australia.
+Nabeel Ahmadi csv is corsa special vehicles they made fast versions of holdens
Yes it is a HSV, which means Holden Special Vehicles :)
Where are those figures from for the M5? It's a 5 litre, not a 4 litre. 5.1 0-60, not 4.7. It's not a Ferrari 355 for God's sake!
It's a 4.9. And yes the 4.7 - 60mph is correct. It will do 12.7 in the quarter mile. Quite a bit quicker than the F355.
redrum2204 On 0-60 Reviews it has a few different figures for the F355, but one is 12.8s for 1/4 mile. On Parkers is has 5.1s 0-60 for the M5...
Phil Dawson that's a good time for the Ferrari, but don't underestimate the M5. It's a beast. My friend ran a best of 12.5 but usually in the 12.7-12.9 range.
Fifth gear raced the m5 against a 512 tr back in the day the e39 won.👍
mate if you can't drive a holden then don't dribe it. i make 100 in 12sec in my holden family wagon. itd v6 3.8ltr. ha
He is talking m/hr not km/hr.... and 12secs is slower than a camry 😂😂
Damn...an Omega on roids. I never knew this car exists.
G'day..When was this filmed..a fair while ago i suspect...Too bad they didn't do it now with the REAL Australian top performance car that eats old dinosaur V8's for dead...The Ford Falcon FG/FGX XR6 Turbo..4.0 litres of wide ranging turbo grunt that is just awesome and is a full sized family car too..
Rodney McGiveron The M5 E39 SUPERCHARGE BMW 2003 model would leave a XR6 turbo standing still?
Ya mean the fuel leaking xr6? Yeah …
HRV?!
Not even the same size cars to compare, the bmw should have been compared to a jag S type r instead- closer body size, jag 4.2 supercharged 400hp, more comparable image even.
To the ppl that say for is more aussie no that is not true ford was brought up in the us and the holden was created with us parts therefor they are the same
TheFailingGaming Broz The Falcon is arguably more Australian, the entire car was designed and built in Australia including the engines. The Holden has use gm engines all along but it has played a large part in design and development work especially on the V6 engines after the ecotec.
Oh well dose it really matter in the end tho a car is a car if it can get you from a to b it's good enough
TheFailingGaming Broz the only thing that is american on our holdens are the engine and drive train. we build the engines though but with the help of american designs. everything else is made and designed by us aussies
yes that may be true but they both have something american. well ford is mostly american just has a aussie model
The Falcon is fully Australian, no American parts in that car.
Guys- it's a HSV... Facepalm
And it's a GTS- NOT a GTS- R, they were made in the VS model and we're all bright yellow with a huge wing on the boot
BMW looks cooler then the holden
The Holden would last much longer than a bmw
Haha ..the Holden will feel like a taxi and the crap finish shows through ..The M5 is the King of 4 dr sedans ..bar none ! HSV ...lol
@@mikegill6558 and it’s made for Australia we don’t need creature comforts it needs to survive and so what if it’s not a luxury car that costs 100k from the dealership the Holden is like 30k to 40k
@@mikegill6558 The M5 will fall to peices driving out of tbe showroom. They're money pits.
@@juicydangla4270 Yeah and the guy in the Holden would be crying because he got fucking gapped EASY by the beamer.
Plus, the E39 doesn't "Fall to bits" lmfao, I think ur talking about the E60 M5.
Know ur cars better fat boi lmfao
@@phoenixlounge7656I dont even own a holden but I can guarantee they're better value for money than a bmw. Bmws are nice if you have more money than brains.
hamster, where do you get your facts from? the m5 has a 5l engine, you keep saying 4, wassup with that?
This was probably the M60 engine, not the M62.
I’m sure he read this comment and wanted to jump off a bridge 👍👍👍
@@SmartESET There's nothing he could confuse it with - the E39 M5 only ever came with one choice of engine & trans - S62 engine with 6spd manual. In 2001 when this was filmed it was the first and only v8 in any BMW M-car.
HAMMOND... in your yellow pants..
4.9sec 0-60 time for the HSV...... more like 5.9
I doubt it's even 5.9 - I just test drove a *new* HSV R8 and it barely felt quicker than my F30 328i
vt 2 cluby is 5.9
dftc Standard clubsport r8 is shit by today's standards. The one featured in the video has a lot more power and a more aggressive final drive ratio
@@coopsnz1 LMFAO my p plater BMW 130i is faster
The gts did 60 in 6 Seconds, the gtsr did 4.9.
The Aussie Holden’s and ford may not be as luxurious inside as the European counterparts but I know one thing and that’s that the European cars bmw merc and audi wouldn’t be able to do the 5,6 or seven hundred thousand kms out of its life before you need to visit a mechanic and in most cases closer to a million kms
I've never ever seen or heard of a commodore or falcon with a million kms most bomb out or fall apart or the interior turns to shit at around 300k. I've only seen falcon ex taxis on LPG with 800k. What car can do 700,000 km before a visit to the mechanic no Toyota can even do that? Unless of course you mean no Major rebuilds whilst still being serviced.
Thommo … nice pub yarn
its not even a GTS-R.
The GTS-R was only a VS series
export model..
İyi jjiiu
It’s an HSV not an HRV
Keeping a V8 in England? You must be joking.
*insert bogan australians bitching about which "australian" car is better*
Two very different cars. The Commodore is way cheaper to buy and cheaper for parts and service. Just as well, because they were poorly assembled and unreliable. The BMW? obviously a much better car but they are expensive to service. Solutions? Any Kingswood, Statesman or Dodge Pheonix.
People are forgetting that it's a Vauxhall not a HSV.
ITS STILL A HSV!!
if you look closely at the steering wheel it shows the hsv logo
charlie collier
Yes but it's the UK model, so it's rebadged.
it was built hsv and then shipped and rebadged. a rebadged hsv is still a hsv.
Had the hsv name untill 2005 . Clubsport " gts can be bought in UK from 2000 - 2005
rebadged opel omega with v8
Nope this is a Australian built vt commodore hsv GTS
Nope opal omega is rebadged commodore you knowfuckall
Based on a Vauxhall? The GTS is an Australian built car and that car you have there, is the worst example. Vauxhall is nothing like Holden.
It's sold as a vauxhall vxr8 in the UK. You do realise this is an international show & UK people or anyone not Aussie has no fucking clue what a general motors Holden is
I'd check your facts before looking like a fool
@@Jimmy-fw1wd Its actually us aussies that have it twisted. the VB commodore is nothing but an Opel all commodores up to VZ are based on a GM V platform..
The VT is basically an Omega B VN-VS is based on am omega A.
I bought VN SS foglights overseas off an omega A for $40 sold them here for $1500.. exact same parts
@@88kwthomas yeah I'm well aware its not an Australian car.
@@Jimmy-fw1wd it’s not a vxr8, it’s a hsv gtsr, the vxr8 was next inline after the monaro was fased out in 2007.
m5 is 5L yikes
4.9 To 100?? I call bullshit!
10.9 to 100 depends what 100 you mean however? Mph or kmh.
Horses for courses! Lol you cant drive a commodore in Europe lol.too big for the road and unles you are in Germany then how and where do you open it up!
Yes you can i've been driving VT1 for 18 years, great fun.
If British people think German cars are reliable than that makes me wonder just how terribly built British cars are.
Irrelevant argument
The Holden is ultimately American (GM) Being built in Australia does not make it an Australian car, it even has a Corvette engine.
Shhh … don’t stir dem bogans!
Dammit holdens are nothing like any other cars and I wish people would check their facts before putting crap on a Holden.
BMW M tax.
It's HSV GTS-R, not HRV, noob lol
Plus it ain't even a GTS-R, it's a Clubsport. Don't think they even realise the GTS-R was a VS model only.
Clubsport were 250 kW 1999 . Gts 300kw
Evil Eyes nerd
@@coopsnz1 idk where you get 300kw from since the only 2 power figurs for the clubsport and gts were 220kw and 250kw respectively.
It is a gtsr, the gts had 340 bhp, the gtsr had 410 bhp.
Holdens Philophecy...Build an average family car...put in the biggest Old push rod YANK motor they can find in it and put a stupid price on it...Hence.....WENT BROKE!
Of all the V8 Holden's built, they have 100 i4 and V6 built cars. The Barina, Astra, Captiva were sh*tboxes brand new. The issue was that they were built like shit and just as reliable. Not the Yank V8. Heck the LS series are great, reliable and easily modded engines. The V6 Ecotec on the other hand. 95% of Holden customers opted for more pedestrian cars and engines. The V8 commodores were the only good cars Holden produced in its latest years!
The VT was an ugly car but it was a good car.
1:33 Fail
There was some potential for a slide
It's like watching a video of a little gay man in an Aussie v8.
Sassy Sasquatch Aussie V8?
LS isn't Aussie.
anonymous its an American motor
anonymous define "fast"
only bogans drive holden lol
how much is that bmw worth now lmao hsv going up in value
Ya just crosswired ya own point 🤣
At the end of the day its a holden (or its a ford) and you can never compare the build quality and the performance of a german car and this is where the price difference is, ford and holden are just cheap and nasty (everyone knows it so lets not pretend it isnt the case). After 2 years they look like shite when the plastics bend or break and the paint looks like an apprentice laid it on. I have owned fords all my life and except for my old GTs the rest where rubbish. My friends have had HSV GTS's and R8s and all manner of Aussie "muscle" at the end of the day they are fun and they can make you smile but the love is short lived, when you pay good money (its all relative) you just want a car that will do what it says it does and not fall apart and look like an even cheaper piece of crap 2 years down the track. At the end of the day folks, whats is clever about putting a 6+litre supercharged engine in a car and trying to call it a supercar, we all know its a damn chev that has been around since the dinosaur days with a bolt on supercharger, of course its going to get up and go but it handles like rubbish and the technology is at least 5-10 years behind, get over it, its still just a damn commodore. Cutting edge technology is always going to include some bugs, is always going to have some mistakes but thats progress and its better than sitting and wallowing in dinosaur technology and wrapping it up in a newer clown suit every year and trying to pass it off to the dumb aussie public "supercar" when its clearly not and for far more than what its ever going to be worth. Yeah she will be right mate, thats why both ford and holden are pretty much finished in this country because you can only rip off the public with rubbish (cept for our pre85 muscle cars) for so long before they wake up.
You know you have to look after a car for it to last right?
Chris Theodore we know the Ford and holden are not built as well as the german cars but in terms of what they can do is amazing.
the vf hsv out performs anything from bmw in handing power and braking except the m variants. although the brakes are better on the hsv as they are top of the line ap racing systems.
the m5 for example is a better car for sure but at 4 or 5 times the price?
i would rather spend 5k on some good suspension and have a car that handles superior than anything from bmw or mercedes.
Problem is some people are just delusional and blind sighted because they're a fanboy. There is manufacturers around the world that would kill to be compared to BMW. The fact of being considered as a contender against an iconic German manufacture is a good enough in itself
Would love to buy ya a beer and laugh at the holden shite boxes matey. Proud Aussie here, not a deluded one.